Now I know we usually spend our time telling each other why our version of leftism is infallible, but enough is enough.
Threads get posted all the time, about how since the fall of the Soviets the left has lost ground faster than we could ever have imagined.
Now is the time Holla Forums, to form an "alt-left". The goal in this thread is to work together and come up with a party name, "flag", policy etc. From there on we can clarify our overall goal(s).
Just as the alt-right has found success by separating itself from the WW2 fascist movements and gradually dragging apolitical people to sympathize with their more extreme ideologies we must do the same and distance ourselves from the Soviets and "Marxism" in general.
Let's try and have a good thread where we accomplish something. Enough of the fighting and responding to Holla Forums bait comrades.
This will never work. The Alt-Right wants to preserve capitalism, whereas the left wants to destroy it. Regardless of what you name it or which color clothes you put it in, the media is going to slander it as communism regardless and niggers are going to be saying "Well, that sounds like COMMUNISM to me! You don't want to kill SIXTY BILLION, or do you, COMMIE?!".
That being said, on an individual scale, I've noticed people are a lot more receptive to socialistic ideals if you show them as being meritocratic or just plain old blue collar grassroots stuff.
Jayden Foster
Now, let's discuss how the alt-right has found success.
- Right from the onset, you view their platforms and they are extreme, especially when juxtaposed with mainstream political platforms.
- This is not to say they immediately push for "gas the kikes, Nazi masturbation fantasy now"(well, a lot do), but they start with racialist "science" and pointing out "peculiar facts"(like the "overwhelming" presence of jews in the media or banks). - Part of the appeal of the alt-right is the "redpill": the idea that when you join, you are now part of a group that knows more than the "unwashed masses" per se. -Another ideological point they push, is the idea of reclaiming what was once yours: in this case their race, and culture. -"Sky is falling" scenarios like "anuddah shoah" give those they practice their ministry on a sense of urgency to join their cause. Prolonging action to long, and it may be to late. - One of the benefits of right wing politics is how they thrive in fear: this is something the left wing is missing( and has been largely missing since it's inception). The migrant criss and the like have given them an environment that will prove to be a skirmish to fit our ideology into( and we must if we wish to compete) -Infographs!: we like to make fun of the alt-right for their reliance on using artifact riddles infographs as their primary source of information, but these serve as a valuable resource to the apolitical. Some about successful and not well know examples of socialism(such as Catalonia) are a good place to start.
I have faith in you comrades.
Michael Rivera
You seem to think that a neo-nazi movement would fall under less scrutiny than a socialist movement.
I understand about the fundamental idea of "destroying" capitalism but there's a lot the alt-right want's to destroy as well.
Their point is the preservation of capitalism and the traditional values, as the cost of everything that comes with individualism. So we do the reverse.
Talking to people about socialism individually is a good idea, and dressing it up as a grassroots movement works to. But the left has no more room for defeatist.
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Alexander Ortiz
All of the above has been tried historically by leftists of many stripes and failed for a variety of reasons. We used to point out how the appropriation of leftist political culture by the far right was a tacit sort of admission of our effectiveness and righteousness… how the tables have turned.
Gabriel Jones
We aren't winning, are we?
I understand it's been tried. A big attraction of the alt-right is Holla Forums. We have a homebase that is similar to that. What's the point in giving up and letting fascist win?
The alt-right are neo-nazis, remember that. A neo-nazi movement, and we're letting them gain more traction than us.
Leo Turner
I'm not saying let the fascists win, I'm saying there isn't a case for imitating Holla Forums being a good idea, let alone the grand strategy that will catapult us into communist utopia.
Caleb Carter
The point isn't necessarily to imitate Holla Forums. In fact, doing the antithetical version of some of their tactics could help differentiate us( I still think we should be making more infographs though).
An important part to remember about Holla Forums is they are nothing new. What they preach is noting new. Their tactics aren't new either( and some of them are very much tactics that were historically used by the left). It's their branding.
So I'm saying we should have a thread to focus on branding. Can't we at least try?
Jesus man :/
Thomas Green
Oh, and for the record, I am all for cute infographics and other informational materials of any sort, and approaching your discourse from amiss facts instead of ideological speeches is what any actually sane person does (maybe not so Holla Forums), but really, the rest of the proposal about creating a self-important cadre that exploits petty conservative feelings and unfounded fears will only result in some form of totalitarianism if it works at all, as it did with far right regimes and some allegedly left wing ones.
Tyler Green
Yeah I wasn't very clear.
I didn't mean to play into reactionary politics. I mean to look at their branding and try and come up with a way to appeal to normies. The whole "read a fucking book" aspect of the board isn't going to drag in the apolitical crowd looking for answers, it's just going to alienate them.
