Brits leave the EU

It was. It's called the Ploink now.

Isnt this just temporary?

You want to know when this all started?
When the economy collapsed and we went into a global recession, the rise of occupy wall street, and the tea party.
The working class on both sides of the coin are tired of the oligarchys shit.
It all lead to the rise of sanders and trump.

Not being able to pay the bills, being in massive debt for everything from going to the hospital to going to school.

This is the second gilded age, on the surface everyone is happy and there is corporate multiculturalism, and illusion of equality.
The liberals went insane during the obama years, agenderd otherkin living in safe spaces using xir as their pronouns eternally offended at everything, normal working class people are tired, so tired…..

what did i miss?

The Happening.

And in those 8 years proletarians have unfortunately done nothing to actually self-develop a clear understanding of capital and organize accordingly.

From the ultra-left spontaneists to the far right reactionaries, the orde of the day is compete rejection of reality rather than conscious overcoming of it.

I'm pretty distraught and pessimistic. Proletarian movements are not identical to revolutionary processes… That should be clear with how the spectres of 2007-2008 have played themself out this year.

This is a wake up call to all communists.

Well, good luck. UKIP probably will be major party in 2020, anti-establishment, anti-pc, anti-immigration, anti-leftist envy politics for successful people and simultaneously faux populist a la nazis – for all the kool kids. Also Nigel will probably repeat the talking point of how he made UK leave EU 9000 times.
You should have either left with Corbyn or don't leave at all.

don't forget the big ones
>FULL AUTOMATION JUST A FEW DECADES AWAY
>POSADISM-LITE GLOBAL WARMING APOCALYPSE ENCROACHING

What's happening in Oaxaca?

Striking teachers and comrades shot down by pigs, 8 or 9 dead. Some mainstream news claims violence from the teachers' camp. I claim agent provacateurs, after all this is the state that will just disappear people it doesn't straight up kill

Teacher strikes.

Oaxaca has always had a strong, radical teacher's union with links to the indigenous peasantry and about a decade age, they flared up into the Oaxacan Commune, a six month long insurrectionary occupation.

Recently teachers went on strike again and a couple days ago 10 were shot dead by the Feds during demonstrations.

Now that's interesting. Got any links?

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oh my oh my

woke up to some great news, chuffed to bits

remainers are on the wrong side oh history :^)

Just as planned

So you pretty much have to deny reality 24/7 to be a Marxist right?

No one said that,once the British worker starts to suffer as much as the immigrant worker, only then can they recognize the common enemy which is Capital.

Accelerationism means to advance the pain more quickly.

No, these people just aren't Marxists. An analysis of the material conditions shows dire straits for the working class, but these bourgeoise posers think it portends the swell old time of Revolution. There will be decades of civil war before we can even begin the project of the revolution.

There will be a movement to counter us and it may be big enough.

None of us think the world is turning to communism anytime soon. We all forsee the upcoming fascist movement.

But if you think that as a fascist movement is rising, you aren't going to see the opposite of that as well.

Have fun when Europe is in dust because of your deluded and ideology that's unable to fathom moral compunction or rationality.

Ttwat.

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A bunch of people from different countries all migrating to the same location isn't an invasion Holla Forumstard.
Largest muslim population in Europe right now is France, and they're only about 7 percent.

I don't know about "decades" but the next 10 years are going to be a fucking global nightmare.

Not decades of one consecutive civil war, but rolling civil wars in many nations that will occur over decades.

kek

Dude, the last time liberalism flopped, we got fascism. And true to form, this time there already are less-than-benevolent rightwingers standing to benefit from the oncoming flop.

mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/25/business/international/brexit-financial-economic-impact-leave.html

I hate the NYT but shit if it doesn't look dire.

Cameron fucking resigned lads.

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-results-live-brexit-wins-as-britain-votes-to-leave/

We're entering fascist territory, I TOLD you guys. We're not ready for revolt, the far right will take over.

guerrilla warfare is always an option, Comrade

And die for these moronic pigs? The UK voted to kill itself, the working class will get what they deserve.

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It's the middle class primarily that voted for remain, the ones voting leave will be hurt the most, and that's at least something good out of this situation

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The left wake up and do your thing
CUT THE BALLS

On the bright side, in like 5 year or whenever this is actually finalized and happens, Julian Assange will be able to leave the Ecuadorian embassy.

Yeah, no

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I question the viability of guerrilla warfare in the future. The tendency is for conflicts to move into urban areas, specially undevelopped urban areas. Guerrilla in this environment has only been waged in battles, not as a war.

In reality, all we have done is made sure the balls are full of dust, and ignored the true reality of the situation.

we didn't ignore it for some reason some leftists in the UK shy away from violence
we need to mobilize the workers AND GIVE THE WORKERS SOME FUCKING GUNS

IT IS TIME COMRADES

I always thought that flag was the conservative part of Canada till now.

You can have any alignment in the world, EU's nucleus is still run by a mad dog.

reminder that it was the capitalists that funded jihadists in the 1980s which inspired the shit show we have today

But it's ok, we'll just spawn a revolution out of nowhere and it'll be all good.

How likely is this? Sinn Fein was saying on radio this morning it was time for a referendum over the whole of Ireland of reunification. If Norn votes not to reunify then surely the ROI cannot impose it on them. At least not without starting another war.

twitter.com/wikileaks/status/746252299790651392

If the US wanted him so badly the CIA could sneak some poison of some kind into the take out food that he orders every night. Not enough to kill him, but enough that he'd be forced to go to a hospital.

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Stand up, lads.

But it's ok, we'll just spawn a revolution out of nowhere and it'll be all good.

Also
You bought the meme

Based Nick Land

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Live in NI, can confirm. Yesterday's pro-EU facebook warriors are today's nationalist facebook warriors.

Personally I'm divided, voted to leave but the lingering nationalist spooks are getting into my brain.

Kill the Empire comrade.

Kill it good.

Why live?

God… what an absolute mess us Brits have gotten ourselves into. People on the left need to realise Brexit has nothing to do with socialism, but EVERYTHING to do with nationalism. Nationalism in Europe and America is rising to levels not seen since the '30s. We're not seeing an increased likelihood of a '60s type communist revolution, but more of a resurgence of fascism.

This means the end of Corbyn btw, many Labour MPs are already preparing for a vote of no confidence.

Yeah, and where the fuck was the left going before the Brexit?

Exactly no where, it was just milquetoast liberal support for the status quo all over the place. I know accelerationism is bunk but the left in this country need a good kick up the arse to stop being such blairite stooges.

good, then we kill the fascists again.

Corbyn is a scam either way. Labour party are a bunch of liberals

Staying in was BY FAR lesser of the two evils. Just watch the working-class Labour heartlands turn to UKIP. Remember, the working-class overwhelmingly didn't vote to leave because ‘it wasn't left-wing enough’, but because of immigration or stupid nationalist emotional arguments like ‘I want muh country back.’.

He was the closest thing to socialism in the mainstream. Because of Brexit, the country will inevitably turn to the right.

Say goodbye to your trade-union rights.

The public outcry that will come back from that will almost be worth it happening. The Labour Party would be alienating a huge chunk of its support if it did that.

UKIP are dead in the water. They were already basically a single issue party.

Nice Guardian tier analysis, lad.

So are the SNP. But they'll still be in power even after a split.

UKIP are a perfect party for the current state of the British electorate. They attract middle-class voters for their free-market views, they attract working-class voters for their anti-immigration views, and attract swades of the population for their nationalistic ‘make Britain great again’ views. I hope they're dead in the water, but I don't see that,

Nationalism is never the answer. This referendum has divided the population across the middle. A house divided against itself cannot stand.

Aye but the SNP managed to replace labour as the left-progressive party in Scotland. UKIP have barely managed to make a dent in conservative domination of the right.

Not for very long. The SNP don't have a big idea to coalesce round once they achieve their goal, just as with UKIP. Both of them, I think, will either collapse entirely, or shrink round a smaller base once they achieve their objective.

If that's what you think.

What do you expect after the so-called leaders of our parties threw up their hands and abandoned us?

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Nationalism is never the answer. This referendum has divided the population across the middle. A house divided against itself cannot stand.

Oh fuck off with sanctimonious horseshit. The only things on offer were nationalism or more abuse from the current system.
We've all seen what happened to Boxer the cart horse, Napoleon.

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A war for possession of Norn even if Norn vote to stay? How democratic.

Nope.
We are entering a situation that is objectively reactionary.
Soon it'll be 1933 all over again babe.

This is all a reactionary response to more people who are of a different race entering the country, economic instability and an EU which is going to collapse regardless of whether the UK is in it. The only thing that is in the future is fascism and environmental disaster, the left is not revolutionary because it has no desire to destroy class. Fascism is not a threat to the bourgeois as racial tension can be used to divide the working class. See you in the concentration camps comrades, I know most of you will never take the risk of resisting and posing an actual threat to capitalism.

Underrated post tbh fam

I've only been here a couple of times, but I'm so glad I came here today. If I were to believe all of my liberal peers on social media, I'd believe I'm an uneducated, xenophobic, racist, fascist et cetera for being happy about the brexit vote.

Will the coming farce of the US presidential election create a Nuit Debout type movement in the States? I think there's a real possibility, a lot of Sanders supporters are deregistering as Democrats and he's pretty much already sold out to the DNC despite all his rhetoric about shaking up the Convention.

Bernie or Bust and Never Hillary are even stronger now than they were when it the race started, Liberals are getting really butthurt because they can't talk their Sanders-supporting friends into voting Hillary or even giving a shit about the Democratic party.

Also there's going to be a clusterfuck of protest at both conventions that I think will generate enough outcry to get some kind of Left-leaning movement going in the US, even if it doesn't reach Nuit Debout level

Source:

theintercept.com/2016/06/23/fbi-and-police-are-knocking-on-activists-doors-ahead-of-republican-national-convention/

youtube.com/watch?v=FnXgjJ83nMw

youtube.com/watch?v=Di--YlpHoHY

youtube.com/watch?v=dOSUCSrSNqQ

Lol, retarded western leftists are retarded as always.

Do you really think ordinary people here give a shit about poverty levels?
This shit of a country experienced massive deindustrialisation in the 90s, and people here remember it.

And that is why no one gives a shit.

We learned the capilatist ways. Look after yourself and your close circle of people. Do not trust anyone. Patriotism is bullshit, yesterday there was USSR, today there's Russian Federation, tomorrow there will be something else.

Do you live in Burgerland? The proles haven't forgotten all the bullets and beatings. There is even deep divide within the most downtrodden of peoples, such as the Blacks, where some may riot but there are many, so to speak, cucks among them who ate from the trashcan. What you might see is 'babbys-first-political-action' tier stuff from the liberals, soc-dems, and union types.

Ah, so I am trying to get a handle on what this Brexit really means. It really has to do with travel and trade right, so there will be less workers' rights and business regulations? But what more? It seems to me though that the modern states have all sorts of extra-governmental/civilian organizations that unite the bourgeoisie, therefore this isn't really a big blow to international capital. It's not like the workers have an easier enemy to deal with since the EU just makes official what was already an unofficial reality – international imperialism. That is still the enemy. The vote seems more like a social barometer that reads 'right on the rise', people who are nationalists and-or seriously believe in capitalist ideology. That's all current, and what socialists should be on the look-out for is the development of this situation into what may come after. Remember, determination is negation and even the situation that's in formation now, this rise of nationalism, will also undo itself.

All I was trying to say is that the "babbys-first-political-action" has the potential to turn into something resembling nuit debout you self-righteous ass. Remember how Occupy Wall St. happened?

I think we're gonna get there again and I won't be surprised if it'd be even bigger this time around (probably with some type of Right Wing response made up from the fall out of Trump supporters to be sure, but nontheless) because there's even more average working people with nothing to lose this time around. The only thing that keeps me from 100 percent thinking its possible is the lack of leadership willing to organize and coalesce all the special-snowflake stuff that's starting to fade away (Fight for 15, the not-retarded segements of BLM, and Democracy Spring/Bernie Supporters) into a mass movement.

Que esto?

The economy crashing is fine, at least for inspiring a revolution.

The problem is that the Brexit has been a huge coup for the right and convinced many working class voters that the conservatives/ukip have their best interests at heart. Lots of labour MPs are once again calling for Corbyn to resign in light of the referendum result, while the media are all focussing on UKIP and the tories.

Who do you see playing the role of the USSR then?

I confess that my knowledge of the IRA begins and ends with "they planted some bombs". I'll look them up. But they're not exactly an example of a successful insurrection, are they?

Northern Ireland wants to remain in the EU, Ireland is a rather nice place nowadays and the peace process has held for a long while. All these factors make it a very real possibility that we will see Irish unification in the next few years.

that doesn't necessarily mean they want to leave the UK, or join ireland

divisions in norn iron are too entrenched and bitter for this to change much at all imo

Yes, good sassanagh

Ah yes, this will surely please the Druidic Elders.

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yeah but the entire good friday agreement depends on european law. if ni get sucked out you have to put up border checkpoints that will piss off catholics living in the north

the problem with your axioms is that the state is made of people and thus any group focused on 1 or 2 goals is going to do better than a state focused on dozens of goals - also made of people