How the Sugar Industry Shifted Blame to Fat

Yes but if you're trying to kick a habit it's easier to cut it out entirely

true. For me, I never made a habit of consuming unhealthy food, so I can consume it every now and again without getting hooked.

eat dairy over fruits and vegetables…? this is nutritional subversion

Start adding a fuckton of ice to it. Water that shit down to ease you into it.

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You need to fucking cut out the carbonated jew

It wasnt being /fit/ for me but after I had like 12 cavities I quit sodie pops . So theres the incentive of saving yourself thousands in dental work I guess. As well as it makes you fat.

I changed barely anything else in my diet but lost near 70 pounds from cutting out soda , no extra exercise or anything else, its worth it

Can try switching to carbonated water before moving to real water ?

dont substitute with juice cause its just as bad

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This is just kvetching from Jewish journalists. Sugar served a social purpose in cake sales at Churches. Or when proud, overweight patriots drank coke at traditional NASCAR. Undermining sugar is a factor of SCALE and the Jew. I continue to eat sugar, and always will.

fuck off

Seems like a good way of being lethargic all day and dying at 50

I drank a lot of coke when I was little , one day in 7th grade I had a pain in my lower left torso , I thought it was from coke and just stopped drinking it from that day on .

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The "fat industry?"
Seriously?
Who sells you just fat to eat?

Found the subversive Jews.

Fact: you can trace the U.S. obesity epidemic directly back to where this happened, when they started taking "fats" out of everything and replacing the loss of taste with sugar.

It was like some sinister organization, hunched over & rubbing its hands in glee, was doing to the goy on purpose.
And I don't mean their tools, the sugar industry.

An average softdrink at best.
Drink Ginger Ale instead!
Then tend towards more expensive softdrinks as high qualitiy bitterlemon/tonic for example.
Goal is to aquiere a more patrician taste in such things and to dismiss the cheapo stuff.

Because shit is expensive youll buy and drink less.
Because you drink less you are not as dependent anymore, you mix it up now with more fruijuices mixed with water and then more and more water.

You should end up drinking softdrinks only very rarely.

Good source of probiotics is as essential as raw materials. Your gut is a biome.

The obvious answer for this is homemade sauerkraut

That's why the best way to live is to be a disciplined person in the first place, and to not get yourself addicted to crap.

You can buy bulk beef tallow on the cheap. Keeps forever. Tons of vitamin E in it. No added taste. Super high quality oils. Doesn't go rancid when cooked.

Just do it. It's easy and you'll love your life.

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Alright, it isn't making me fat as I said - I'm perfectly fit. I factor it into my routine.

And trust me, I've tried. I really have. I tried the carbonated water thing as well. I've been trying to quit this shit for years and I've just started focusing on improvement elsewhere in my life.

VERY IMPORTANT REGARDING THE TRUTH OF FRUCTOSE

WATCH VIDEO

AMERICAN DEMONIZATION OF FAT HAS CAUSED PEOPLE TO OVERCOMPENSATE THEIR HUNGER WITH SUGAR, INCREASING CALORIE INTAKE RESULTING IN OBESITY

This has jewish trickery written all over it. There is only one relevant "Industry" that controls and dictates (((nutrition))) and that's the animal agriculture industry.

The sugar, oil, etc "industries" are your run of the mill businesses with obvious conflicts of interests in health and safety, but have no actual pull.

Americans pay DIRECTLY for enslavement, torture, and slaughter of millions of animals per yer. Does this sound like the nat soc way?

Fact - meat and dairy would be extremely expensive if it wasn't for taxes paying for subsidies.

As it stands, the majority of the population pays for torturing millions of animals, then pays in medical bills because a few years down the line the saturated fats aren't so "paleo" and "healthy" after all.

Want meat? Go kill it yourself. Otherwise, enjoy the chemicals, and watching the kikes get rich

What the fuck are you talking about, you autistic sperg? I was responding to the facggot who was suggesting veggies are less important than dairy. Kill yourself

They ARE less important than dairy.

A vegan?
Here?

Who left the toilet lid open again?

Yeah keep on eating more broccoli's Grandma.

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This conspiracy theory being so popular on Holla Forums is particularly hilarious since it's not only completely wrong but it also originates almost entirely with Jews: Taubes, Lustig and Ludwig.

And what do you know, the guy named in the OP (Glantz) is also a Jew.

You know, sometimes something isn't wrong just because it's the mainstream opinion, even if it makes you feel very smart to deny global warming or the link between saturated fat and cardiovascular health.

The fact that some people in this thread are surprised that the food industry has exceptional financial influence on nutrition research speaks volumes in itself. If you actually know anything about nutrition science or follow nutrition research at all, you should be well aware that this is the case. Every branch of the food industry has a substantial interest in falsifying science to make their products appear healthier.

So I can conclude pretty safely that most people here do not follow nutrition science in any depth or for any substantial length of time. It also happens to be the case that the only people who believe in this "sugar bad, fat good" bullshit happen to be people who do not follow nutrition science at all.

hese also happen to be very young people because if you've been on this planet for a while, you know that sugar was never popular or considered healthy. In fact, all you have to do is browse back to the very first Dietary Guidelines for Americans and you will find that it recommends to cut sugar intake to as low as possible. So the "conspiracy" of the government somehow supporting sugar intake should be over right there because the government has warned against sugar since the first time it has warned against anything food-related.

Anyway, this post is going on way too long already. You are all wrong and don't know the tiniest bit about nutrition. The pro-fat stuff is total momscience bullshit that you can read about in any woman's magazine nowadays. Low-carb is the most popular weight-loss diet in the United States (and it clearly isn't working). So not only is this conspiracy bullshit, it's not even edgy, it's already mainstream and something you can look forward to discussing with your hair stylist next week (unlike the benefits of National Socialism)

I eat too much of the sweet jew
any advice how to reduce it?

This guy is a Jew who has a vested interest in making Americans as obese as possible. Hence him promoting pseudoscience and being promoted by the tribe despite being a dumb fuck who thinks ethanol is a carbohydrate.

Americans have the highest fat intake in the world. So one problem with this dumbass conspiracy is that it's not even aligned with the most basic of facts. Americans have not reduced their fat intake at all. In fact, consumption of oil is up 600% and consumption of sugar is up only 20% in the same time period.

I lost over 40 lbs. on the Atkins diet.
Switched to the Paleo diet & now I'm fine.
Almost all meat, dairy, & veggies, no carbs or sugars, including booze.
Eat nuts for snacks (except, no peanuts).

Do you think that the veganism movement lifting off at roughly the same time was a coincidence?

Saturated fats raise your testosterone and androgen levels. It was common sense for ages that meat makes the man. All that anti-sat fat propaganda is a campaign for effemination of males on the biological level.

Im the same way, user
no cavitities, too

Well I have cut out refined sugar from my diet.

Mostly drinking water only, eating lean meat mostly and then dairies and then high fiber carbs in the morning and almost never fruit and veg.

I feel fucking fantastic after the loss of energy in week 1 and 2.

Your big ass post can be summed up in "I am so smart you know nothing but I am not going to explain it because lol your so dumb".

I don't gain weight, so far doesn't bother me. And I intentionally avoid too much sugar as it is.

Now, with that out of the way, let's get down to what really matters ITT…

Who is qt redhead grill in OP pic?

use the human power of self control to stop buying candies and sodas

I've lost count of the number of obese people lecturing me on nutrition.and the harms of sugar.

In fact just a while ago I saw another fat fuck on YouTube explaining how much sugar is in various beverages. Fat Americans are totally obsessed with the harms of sugar, it's like a national delusion. And the funniest thing is that they are completely blind to fat, they actually think cakes, donuts or chocolate are good examples of carbs or sugar when in fact they're just a bunch of fat.

Mate, I'm not obese, I was never obese and I will never be obese.

It's a waste of time to even argue this shit because anybody who follows nutrition at all knows that it's bullshit. Sugar intake is up like 20% in a half century. People have been eating refined sugar since the time George fucking Washington died. It's not a new thing and there is no meaningful correlation for anything.

Good on you for following a heart attack diet.

I have been eating clean 80% for two weeks now and I have been going to the gym every day because I have been fucking fed up with girls staring at fit guys

I don't have man tits anymore, and my body fat percentage is slowly going down. I ignore bread, white flours, processes sugars, soda, dessert as much as possible
And I have bought a fuck ton of clean protein powder to drink throughout the day to both calm my hunger and fuel my body the protein it needs to grow muscle

I think that you have to start small. People see people who seem to have everything and don't realize its a culmination of years and years of hard work, and you will probably never stop everything completely.

I would give it up if I could, but to me the real difference is maybe not the vices, but the real urge to improve themselves in a very real way.

I don't expect man to be perfect. I do however expect him to constantly try to improve himself and not allow himself or others to kick him (too hard) when he is down.

Literally nothing wrong with fat you dumb nigger

This is terrible. Nobody should drink milk except out of their mother when they're a baby.

It's easy - stop fucking buying soda you weak willed obese bastards. If water seems too bland to you, that means you're a fucking sugar junkie. Drink water until it tastes good, it will. Eventually soda will taste like the sugary poison it is and you won't even want anymore.

You sound like fat fucks making excuses. "But donuts and soda are so tasty! How can I possibly stop. Water and chicken are just so bland!"

Don't have anything at home. Eat fruits instead and get yourself occupied with productive things when you are craving it.

I fucking knew it. I knew the kikes had to be involved. Ever since going on keto and losing truckloads of weight (averaging 2 stone per month), I've come to understand the human body a lot better. I always wondered if the jews were involved. I should've known better than to wonder.

Reminder that we exist to store fat and burn it later, but if you eat too much carbs, you're never going to be burning that fat. Eat carbs for summer and fat for winter. Don't worry about anything else.That's how the human body was meant to live.

Another obese person who is apparently an expert on how to avoid obesity. Keep'em coming

small amounts of fat are good and boost testosterone !!!
especially if you lift or workout

sugar as an ingredient is unnatural and did not existed thousand years back.
the only available sugar was that inside of fruits.

sugar is causing hormone imbalance, diabetes, acne, etc and you can become fat.
sugar makes you addicted and causes withdraws symptoms.

Dude… that shit has hfcs in it too.

Make your own no sugar sodas by mixing flavorings with soda water. I like lime juice and soda. No calorie, pleasant taste, and works as an aperitif. Also, the experience of mixing it is like making a mixed drink, so it's great if you are trying to quit drinking as well.

I lost 80 pounds on a ~no carb, high fat diet, and felt great doing it. No hunger. Great skin. Then I started eating carbs again and within a year was back to where I started. Next time I will go on it and just stay on it. Expensive, but your health is worth it.

Nevermind that grains have been used to fatten up hens, pigs, gooses, turkeys, ducks, cattle, etc for hundreds of years.
Ask any livestock farmer what the best feed is to gain weight is and they'll all mention wheat & corn.

Daily reminder that Der Führer was a vegetarian.

Fun fact: BOTH refined sugars AND saturated/trans fats are terrible, and it's no surprise that the 'Anglo-American diet' is so unhealthy.

The key is to stop eating PROCESSED food!

And, processed meats are some of the worst things imaginable. Watch 'cowspiracy' if you need more info…

I only drink water and prepare my meals by hand using fresh ingredients. I win.

The only good thing about wheat/corn/rice is that it's a reliable source of calories to support a large population in a small area. There's just not gonna be enough game or forage in an area to support modern population densities. Agriculture was really the key to civilization because of this. But again, it's not that wheat/corn/rice is good for you, it's just that it can sustain more people that you could otherwise.

You act like that's a hard thing to do.

Saturated fat is actually really good for you.

When I was losing those 80 lbs, I took two tablespoons of coconut oil in my coffee every morning.

This. Drinking water instead of soda/milk/coffee/beer is the way to go. Fruit or vegetable juice in moderation is alright as well, but pure water is the best.

This lie again.

Fruit juice is bullshit. People think it's healthy but there's waaay too much sugar in there, not to mention all the preservatives and often dyes. Just eat the fruits dammit.

Checked. It's true that some saturated fats, such as those in avocado and coconut, can be healthy in moderation.

Plant fats are much better than animal fats, and most are unsaturated.

Saying 'saturated fat is really good for you' is demonstrably false.

Agreed. That's why I said 'in moderation' and 'pure water is the best'.

And by fruit juice, I *ONLY* meant 'fresh-squeezed', no additives, etc.

en.metapedia.org/wiki/Category:Vegetarians

First on the list!

Off yourself, swine!

Pretty retarded post, mate, considering that these animals are known for their high rate and efficiency of de novo lipogenesis. Only problem is that humans are piss poor at it, and anyway, why the fuck you would you draw conclusion on humans from the physiology of a fucking avian, moron?

Is it maybe because when you look at societies that consume high carbohydrate diets, like mid-20th century Asians, they are lean as fuck and healthy? And since they've started eating more meat and oils they've started blowing out?
But yeah, let's talk about chickens instead.

Demonstrate it.

I ate tons of fatty meats that were nearly all saturated fat while losing that weight. My heart was much, much healthier after losing the weight than it was when I started. And with the lasting modifications to my diet (I don't fear fat anymore), my heart is STILL healthier than it was then, despite being just as fat as before.

Doesn't matter how fresh it is, unless you are after vitamins. Still spikes your blood sugar just the same as drinking sugar syrup. You don't get any of the fiber that otherwise slows that absorbtion.

Weight loss advice for any chubby anons looking to lose some pounds: drink a FUCKLOAD of water after every meal. Like, 750mL or more. This will allow you to keep super hydrated and also make you feel more full. I hear it also boosts your metabolism, but I'm not sure about that. I ain't a doctor.

I'm still a bit chubbier than I should be, but I managed to lose around 70 pounds and reach a much, much healthier weight just by eating less, eating more vegetables and drinking heaps of water. I also wake up at 3AM to go on a 5km run practically every morning (no matter the weather), but I started doing that AFTER I lost enough weight to make it comfortable. Weight loss is only a small part exercise.

If Hitler was a vegetarian then he was a fool. Humans are quite clearly omnivores. Not everything Hitler did should be held up as the gold standard.

Rice is a little different than wheat and corn.

Reminder, this is a goon thread. No one is retarded enough to buy the leftist meme that the sugar industry or salt industry will become another boogeyman like the tobacco industry.

You mean starving people?

There's nothing wrong with saturated fat, retard.

retardation, the post

Hitler was vegetarian because his doctor told him to be. His doctor also told him to take meth and a cocktail of a million other drugs for no reason.

He ate meat.
That link is literally just his name in a very short list. It's not even a source.

There's nothing wrong with "spiking blood sugar", not everybody has diabetes.

Here we go with the glycemic index bullshit, you people are like clockwork, oh man. Kenyans consume a ton of corn and they're fine, same shit in the Americas for people on actual high-carb diets.

More of the same bullshit, this is getting boring.

When people are obviously lean and heart-healthy on high-carb diets, it's either because there is some magical property in the carb or because they're starving. I guess anything else is just too scary a thought, like you being a dumbfuck who fell for meat, dairy, oil industry propaganda just like your friend's obese mom.
kys

Vegetarians have demonstrably better health outcomes. Even eating more fish and less farm animals leads to better health outcomes (see: Japan).

Seventh-day Adventists, a religious sect that practises Vegetarianism, live about 10 years longer on average than the surrounding population.

There's nothing wrong with caring for animals and conservationism. The NSDAP was one of the first organisations to promote these things.

Watch 'Cowspiracy' and you won't want to eat meat again.

Whatever you say, hippie. Your academic courses were hardly any better than social "sciences".

Fresh fruit is healthier than fruit juice, obviously. I'm not disputing that.

Fruit juice (all-natural) in moderation, or pure fruit smoothies are better if you have to drink something, though, as an alternative to soda/coffee/tea/beer etc.

So much bullshit.

Don't listen to this tard.

Just look at the statistics and better, try yourself a low carb diet.

Did I say anything about glycemic index, user? Nope.

Vegetarians live longer than normal people because normal people down bucketloads of sugar and bread and other shit down their throats and rarely exercise. I'd like to see someone compare the health of vegetarians with equally health and diet conscious people that eat both meat and vegetables.

I'm not gonna defend factory farms, but neither are they an excuse to never eat meat. What's gonna turn me off meat in your Cowspiracy movie? Animals being slaughtered? I've killed and prepared animals myself user. Just because that shit turns modern people's stomachs doesn't mean it's wrong.

The only problem with fat is that it's easy to overconsume because it's calorie dense. That's it. It's also easy to overconsume sugar, but sugar also has other harmful effects, like causing tooth decay and type 2 diabetes.

And Hitler was only a vegetarian for the last year of his life, during which time he was also extremely fatigued and sick and going insane.

what if keks powers were somehow connected to cern/mandela effect?

vegsource.com/news/2013/06/dont-go-vegetarian-or-vegan-for-health-benefits.html
Vegetarians are a scientology-tier pseudo-scientific cult of zealots.

Care for animals?

Those millions of animals would die if not fed by the industry that want to kill and sell them later.

Or do you think those big ass farms would be still running as an animal hotel?

fuck my bad. wrong thread

wow so the solution is to eat less or not eat the products that have such ingredients packed into them

Not to mention their mostly humane deaths in contrast of dieing slowly by diseases or being brutalized by predators or both video related.

Does anyone else feel like it would be better if there were nothing at all sometimes?

I suspect a lot of people who drink lots of soda are actually hooked on the caffiene as much as the sugar. Take up a non-sugary caffinated beverage. Green tea is good because it's weak enough to also solve the "water is bland" problem. I drink green all day and chamomile all night.

Only cowards.

Nihilist bitch.

Vegetarianism/veganism comes from the same string of suicidal philosophy that fuels modern liberalism and is killing the West.

A deep-set guilt about being on top of the food chain, and refusal to take advantage of the advantages our ancestors fought, struggled, and died to provide for their descendants. Our human ancestors are to thank for us being apex predators and controlling the globe. You shame them by throwing that away to live like the prey they once hunted. Our racial ancestors are to thank for our societies being the dominant ones and our technology being superior. You shame them by throwing that away to invite lesser races to partake our people's achievements and giving other races access to your women.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being on top, and you are a fucking shame to your bloodline if that makes you feel guilty.

Americans have one of the lowest carb intakes in the entire world and the highest consumption of added fat, oil and total fat. And they've somehow managed to convince themselves that the reason they're the fattest motherfuckers on the planet is because they're eating too many carbs and not enough fat. That is without a doubt one of the funniest examples of American education writ large.

That's hilarious since high-sugar low-fat diets can reverse diabetes while high-fat diets are known without a doubt to cause diabetes, even in as little as a couple weeks.

Hitler dubs.

Complete bullshit. You been reading Ray Peat, dumbass?

Schopenhauer was right.

There are different kinds of fat, silly anons. Americans eat way too much bread and meat and sugary foods.

Can you not see that some sorts of fat being bad, especially when eaten in excess and combined with no physical activity does not mean that excess sugar is not also harmful? There is tons of evidence on the harmfulness of excess sugar. Also consider that we didn't evolve to have shitloads of sugar in everything we ate or drank. It was a seasonal treat from fruits.

Americans eat tons of processed bullshit that is packed with sugars and fats. They can both be bad in different ways, it's not just one or the other. Why are you so defensive about sugar? Are you a soda addict?

Peanut butter is ok as well I think. If I am still hungry after a meal I just eat a couple of teaspoons of peanut butter afterwards, don't use anything to wash it down with as I think the claggy feeling of it sticking to your mouth helps stop the hunger.

No, Ray Peat is an idiot. 90% carb diet with 50% refined sugar was already done many decades ago to reverse diabetes and obesity, Kempner diet. Anything that removes protein and fat will improve insulin sensitivity. Of course sugar isn't a health food but it doesn't have any negative effects in the absence of weight gain (unlike fat which can give you diabetes at the same time you're losing weight)

I knew this already but good post regardless. Dairy and meats are the king of nutrition with fruits and veggies. I only eat sugary shit like once or twice a week.

Also if any anons out there still buy anything but whole milk you're retarded. Your depriving yourself of nutrition by drinking skim milk which is basically flavored white water at that point.

(((sugar industry)))

Reminder that the Jews: A) traded rum with actual nigger kangz for slaves, B) brought the slaves to the carribean to cultivate sugar cane, C) shipped the sugar to Europe and used it to make rum, and finally D) shipped the rum back to africa and repeated the process starting back at A.

Hilarious. Please, tell us more.

I remember there being a Market Place episode about this on television (its a canadian market awareness show, its pretty interesting). What was most shocking was that sugar is in practically EVERYTHING. And that around 4g's of sugar is a tablespoon of sugar. Then go ahead and look at how much sugar is in cereal and milk. Most kids eat over 8 table spoons of sugar in a single meal. It's pretty retarded.

I wouldn't recommend it. Maybe if you're in Europe where the peanut butter isn't packed with sugar, but here that stuff has shitloads of sugar and is very calorie dense.

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Whole milk is better than skim milk but I wouldn't drink either unless you're breastfeeding. Milk is for infants. And almost all milk coming out of dairy farms today is laden with hormones and antibiotics. Cheese and yogurt are better, but dairy as a food group has been linked to a number of health issues.

Protein in the kidneys is a side-effect of diabetic kidney failure. Which is sometimes the result of insulin resistance caused by a high carb and sugar diet.

This. Considering that sucrose (table sugar) is 50% fructose, and 50% glucose with no fatty acids. Fat is broken down in the *stomach* to glycerol and fatty acids. Fatty acids can be absored directly into the blood stream, and can cross the blood-brain barrier to provide vital nutrients. Glycerol gets metobalized (pro-tip: this a hepatic process) in the liver (durr) into glucose and lipoproteins (cholesterols).

if it isn't the goon patrol. how are you keeping nancy? you'd be around 40 by now right?

8 teaspoons of sugar in one can of coke. Kid sare washing down a couple of large pizza slices, fries and then fruit (thinking it's healthy) with a can of fucking coke. I know people in real life that drink fizzy pop when they are thirsty! One dude (when he was fat) was drinking around 4 liters of Coke (not diet) every fucking day and he only eats carbs, he's a vegetarian that does not like vegetables so he eats various forms of bread, rice and pasta with various sauces and stuff.

His eyesight started to get real bad and he rapidly lost weight, it was the optician he went to that realized he had diabetes. He went to the doctors and sure enough, boom 41 years old and full blown diabetes. He looks about 60 and has all sorts of 'minor' issues which add up to a miserable life.

He has cut out the pop (for the most part), and tries to eat smaller meals more regular and has kept his weight low (until then I didn't know diabetes causes weight rapid weight loss). He claims he is getting well but I've only spoken to him over the phone and not seen him for several months. Time will tell.
Just thought I'd share that incase it helps someone.

None of which explains how "fat will give a person diabetes while losing weight," as you calimed. You're trying to divert with basic metabolism info because you don't actually know shit and think it will throw me off.

Oops sorry, thought you were the other guy.

ok pal

coffee. or wine.

QUIT DRINKING THAT SHIT Immediately.

I have drank nothing but water and some coffee for years. Once you get back used to water you won't even be able to stomach a coke.

Nutritional recommendations are just propaganda to make you buy what's more easily produced and profited from by the industry.
Fat and proteins are complex and require more energy than sugar to be produced, hence the gains wouldn't be maximized. They had to put out a narrative turn people away from fat and proteins.
Now, there are getting at the superior stage which involves turning everyone into a vegan.

You live in the last stage of global capitalism: from now on, truly everything is a lie.

Video related (in frog though), he says: collagen signature from Neanderthal's stomach proves he was eating mainly animal proteins.

Pythagoreans were also famously Vegetarian. In fact many Greeks were vegetarianism, and many praised it for a variety of reasons.

Check out the book Salt, Sugar, Fat for a great explination of how the tabaco industry and food industry invented the FDA and do whatever they want.

White people have evolved to tolerate lactose beyond babyhood. Drinking milk has been a core part of the white man's diet for millennia, so much so that it has directed our evolution.

SUN-PAT crunchy peanut butter is what I have here.
per 100grams:-

Energy 2530kJ/611kcal

Fat 48.7g
of which saturates 9.2g

Carbohydrates 14.5g
of which sugar 6.7g

Protein 24.8g

Salt 1.0g

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Seems ok on the sugar side of things, high fat but it's mostly good fat. I think the fat is what quenches hunger.

web.archive.org/web/20160913175154/http://www.sunpat.co.uk/our-products/sun-pat-crunchy/

Go with almonds and peanuts, naturally not the butter form

Yeah, No.

Always wondered why general dietary research conflicted with the athletic related research, now I know why.

Athletic research have known this for years.
They also found shit like high cholesterol is caused by a combination of activity lifestyle and genetics, not dietary cholesterol and saturated fats.
Most doctors never look at the athletic research or any in general.

For example my doctor was shocked when I showed him the research on salt and how people who eat less than 2g of salt a day have worse overall outcomes than people who eat more than 7g, even in the case of high blood pressure.
People should have somewhere around 3-5g of salt in their diet a day for best overall outcomes.

Holy shit you people are fucking dumb. Vegetarianism has a very long history. Your "racial ancestors" also practiced it.

Been trying to do that for years.
Except for cheese, literally everything is low fat these days.

Buy milk from a cow farmer and buy "full fat" milk from the supermarket, see the difference.

Full fat dairy means low-fat for them.
They fucking take the fat out of everything.

tl;dr eat avocado/guac

Mate, we evolved from frugivores in an environment where fruit was abundant as a major calorie source.
I'm not aware of any high-quality evidence on the harmfulness of "excess sugar". Excess calories are bad and refined sugar can promote overconsumption of calories because it tastes nice. To me the bigger problem seems to be that sugar can make things taste nice that actually taste like shit (like many high-fat foods, chocolate, ice cream etc.). If people were to add a bunch of refined sugar to their vegetables, fruit smoothies, rice and tomato sauce, it wouldn't be a problem even for weight maintenance. You're just adding the sugar the fruit should have to begin with but we failed to breed into it.

I'm only defensive about sugar because this thread is about the supposed harms of sugar, none of which are backed by any science.

Ever heard of intromyocellular lipids? That's just one aspect of it though. Fat causes diabetes in several ways and of course the reason fatties get diabetes is because they've clogged their entire system with stored fat on top of their continuous intake of exogenous fat. One of the primary defects in T2D is lack of glucagon suppression, which is a more significant defect than lack of cellular glucose uptake.

This is the type of retardation we're dealing with in the typical sugarphobic American. They will look at a product that has a good 600-700 calories per 100g and conclude that it's fattening because there's 20-40 calories from added sugar in it. You know, the problems isn't the 500 calories from fat, no it's clearly the sprinkle of sugar that causes people to blow out.

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It was not about ginger ale being more healthy, it was about ginger ale being a bit more expensive and usable as a hook to break the coke habit with a replacement you keep just long enough to wittle down the amounts of softdrinks you consume in general.

Listen to what your body wants, most the time I don't want to eat steak at all to the point I've thrown it out due to it sitting in the fridge to long. But every so often about once every month or 2 I crave it. So I go get a good fillet, the smell of the raw meat drives me wild, I've even eaten a bite or two raw (stupid I know). I flash cook it a bit to kill any germs on the outside and then boil some runner beans and cabbage for a couple of minutes and eat the lot with no gravy or sauce or anything. The amount of good energy I get out of it is awesome, I can literally see the world differently, like I just had a vision upgrade or something.

It's the cold and fizzy sharpness of pop that people crave I think. I moved from pop to water by chilling the water down in the fridge, and squeezing some lemon or lime into it. Plus I drink more tea and coffee these days as well. I'll occasionally have a can of pop for a treat, but once you are not used to it, it's just too sickly sweet. Also don't chill any pop you keep in the home, they want you to chill it so you drink the whole can, if it's room temperature you won't drink the whole can, trust me. Better still, let it got flat and try drinking it a room temperature, then you will realise you've been sold a ton of sugar and chemicals stored in a can. You won't be able to drink it and you'll wonder about how fucking dumb you were for not seeing it for yourself.

DIETS ARE WEAKENESS

If everyone ate meat that they had prepared themselves, not on factory farms, we would probably be healthier. I never said I was against this. Processed meat, like most people in the West eat, is absolutely deadly, filled with Trans fats/Cholesterol/Carcinogens

Also, ethical treatment and preservation of nature is NOT for the 'weak'–this is just more revisionist bullshit.

This article is pretty much rubbish. Dean Ornish, Mark Fuhrman, and Nathan Pritikin all recommend plant-based diets. Just because some vegetarians eat too much animal fat doesn't mean that vegetarianism isn't beneficial.

It's not really possible for us to produce that much meat. We have to eat mainly high energy crops like wheat and corn and rice because that's how we make effective use of our arable land. The period in which we feasted on meat was during the ice age, in which modern trees struggled to survive, almost all land was taken up by very dense low-growing foliage, this led to GIGANTIC herds of animals being supported just by grazing on them.

Hello Schlomo.

Best advice, chemical addictions notwithstanding. Different ethnic groups have different diets, depending on what they've traditionally had available and grown accustomed to. The most well known example being lactose tolerance in h'whites that shitskins and gooks, who never bothered raising cattle, can only barely if at all process. Medicinal studies work off of multi-ethnic populations which skews results. Try shit out for yourself and see how it works out.

Are you aware that the mediterranean diet of Greece was one of the mos successful diets of antiquity and consisted almost entirely of fatty fish and olive oil? The classic japanese diet is based on rice and fatty fish. Notice a pattern? Unsaturated unhydrogenated fats are good fot you. Its the hydrogenated shit that clogs your arteries.

The misnomer that the word 'diet' specifically means: "a change in food stuffs that causes weight loss" is entirely Jewish propaganda.

Just like to point out I fell for a dumb diet fad a few years ago where you just drank the juice from fruit and veg because 'micronutrients'. I lost weight but it was muscle and fat I lost due to slow starvation with stupid spikes of sugar at meal times. would 110% NOT recommend. I knew after the 1st couple of days that it was not right, but stuck with it for about a week. Was almost hallucinating by the end of it, felt really out of it and was constantly starving hungry as well as it playing havoc with my stomach and bowels. Stupid online support forums were like 'That's really good bro! Those are the side effects of the poisons coming out your body' and other such utter fucking bullshit.

Except fat was never a problem. It was just a scam to make everyone fat and unhealthy. Processed foods still remove natural fat (for obviously nefarious reasons) from the product to this day.

It's trans fat (which is artificially processed and hydrogenated) that is bad, not saturated or unsaturated fats.

I bet the chemicals and hormones in certain food affect certain people and literally turn them trans.

Food/Health studies are such bullshit.

It used to be cholesterol was bad for you and every single damn doctor parroted that as along with the mainstream science community. Now everything shows cholesterol is harmless and even important (especially for men).

Oh and now butter is healthy for you too. The real things people need to far are simple carbohydrates that spike your insulin like crazy to the point your body will fail to be able to regulate it anymore leading to diabeetus and eating too many calories to the point that it'll turn into fat. The only possible reason that fats can be considered bad for you is that you consume more calories than you can use which would result in your body storing the excess energy as fat to begin and remember that fat is the highest and most concentrated source of kcals known to man. There are experiments even showing people living off pure fat and nothing but and being perfectly healthy, just so long as they keep within their kcal limit. And fats are healthy, especially animal fats because it's so rich in virtually every nutrient known to man. That's why there was experiments showing people being perfectly fine eating nothing but meat for years.

NICE ID OMG

This.
There's a tribe of amerindians in the southwest that depend on a diet high in soluble fiber. If they don't stick to their ancestral diet, they get beetus.
This shit was on PBS and liberals still don't accept that there is racial differences.

Just like alcohol, just because we already did, does not mean it's a good thing.
Indians shit on the street since millennia too.

Last I heard, we don't have the enzymes to digest milk, even if we can drink it without dying.
It makes our blood acid, and the body responds by removing calcium from our bones to make our blood less acidic.

Meaning that milk is a great way to lose calcium.

To be fair, Central Asians like the Mongolians (and the Tibetans raise cattle and Indians literally worship their cattle and even stick dairy products in all their food and drink but we're not going to get started here) drink and eat tons of dairy products but they are still lactose intolerant. It's more or less whites just got lucky during some weird mutation during their evolutionary period while a lot of other dairy users did not. One things for sure, I'm increasingly unsure that humans in general should be eating grain.

Trans fats aren't bad as long as they're from natural sources like what is found in dairy and animal products. You need them as a man. Just watch the kcals and simple carbs.

To go into depth about this, natural trans fats are formed when bacteria in the stomachs of ruminant animals digest plant matter like grass, which is why natural trans fats are rich in CLA. Industrial trans fats like hydrogenated do not and are chemically different in their chemical bonds from natural trans fats.

This is false, and I have no idea why you are talking about "antiquity" since the supposed "high-fat diet" of Greece is in the 20th century. Even a casual Google search will show this claim to be not only false but also the inverse of reality. Fat intake has been on the increase in Greece just like everywhere else and as a result these motherfuckers have blown out and are now among the fattest people in Europe and in fact the whole world.
In addition, the benefits of the "Mediterranean diet" (which doesn't really exist) are most pronounced in communities and areas with low-moderate fat intake based on walnuts and fish, not oils. Oil, including olive oil, is consistently associated with obesity and ill health in the highest-quality studies. This is also true for Greece in particular, which has a very heterogeneous population in terms of diet and health - which confuses the facts.

This is false. The Japanese in the 1950s had a carbohydrate intake of roughly 80% and an intake of animal fat of approximately 2% (5 grams of fat per day for an adult male), total fat around 10% AVERAGE. Diabetes and obesity were unheard of.

Inclusion of fatty fish in the Japanese diet is a recent phenomenon (which had overall positive effects on health especially regarding stroke and heart attacks, but not diabetes and obesity)

Fully hydrogenated fat is just a different term for saturated fat. And yes, saturated fat is unhealthy.

No, everything shows that dietary cholesterol is harmful. The science hasn't changed, and the recommendations haven't changed either. Well, that last statement is false since the USDA recommendations now advise to cut cholesterol as low as possible while still getting all micronutrients you need.

Funny how Americans have the highest fat intake in the entire world and are convinced that all of their food has had the fat removed. Maybe it's all the fat clogging their blood and the lack of glucose that's creating some problems with basic cognition here.

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That is not a real diet, but a common detox method and one week is a little bit too long. Detox is not supposed to feel good, it is supposed to cleanse your body. You shouldn't abruptly change your diet, but in your case you probably got digestive problems because your body wasn't able to properly digest and absorb the veggies without fat.

Liberals despise science more then fundies do.

Anyone remember BiDil? The heart medication that ONLY works for blacks?

BiDil
online.wsj.com/article/SB116096445875393515.html?mg=com-wsj

Not to mention how certain disease affect certain groups more than others or even exclusively like sickle cell for blacks

Sickle-Cell Disease

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle_cell_anemia

and autism, psychopathy, schizophrenia, tach sachs, and a bunch more for Ashkenazi Jews.

Whites have their own set of problems too as well as orientals and indigenous Americans especially like you mentioned.

The liberals are going to get everyone killed with their stupidity.

Oil seed industry is a multibillion dollar enterprise.

Monsanto (US) $4,964m 23%
DuPont (US) $3,300m 15%
Syngenta (Switzerland) $2,018m 9%
Groupe Limagrain (France) $1,226m 6%
Land O' Lakes (US) $917m 4%
KWS AG (Germany) $702m 3%
Bayer Crop Science (Germany) $524m 2%
Sakata (Japan) $396m

Again, everything you mentioned is the result of taking excess calories. Look how much more the average American and Greek and others consume now combined with how much less their physical activity was in the past. The western world is paying for its decadence without heeding the warnings of gluttony, greed, and sloth.

What's wrong with potatoes?

What on earth are you talking about? Tons of people have defended and proven eating nothing but a diet of meat is perfectly fine. That's because fatty meat is rich in micro-nutrients, more than other other food.

Simple carbohydrates.

Look up the gylemic index of potatoes.

They put something called neocides in the crops, suddenly bees start dying enmasse and massive increase in coeliac disease and other inflammatory conditions of the digestive tract.

A lot of anything isn't good but sugar isn't why people are fat fucks. It's clearly corn fructose.

I think it's both.

That is absolute horseshit. I have to maintain calcium due to illness and milk is a great way to do so, avoid anything that is a stimulant if you don't want to drain your calcium reserves though. That includes coffee, tea, chocolate and cola.

Moron

Yeah, i don't think so.

I think cabbage is better?

This is objectively and scientifically wrong.
If you eat more meat than vegetables you are going to eat more meat than you need and just benefit from half of it.
Eating 50/50 vegetables and meat, with a little bit of potato/grain on the side is more than enough for a very active man.
This MUH MEAT trend started with the paleo diet which is based in unscientific misconceptions about what our ancestoris used to eat.
There's nothing wrong with REALLY eating paleo, it's just that the paleo movement is retarded

Well, Potatoes are like 80% starch and you get blood sugar / insulin related problems when you eat lot of potatoes, but they contain (unless they're exposed to sun) no plant poisons, no lectins, nothing.
They are very safe, have a decent amount of vitamins and minerals, particularly if they're grown in healthy soil and so i think potatoes are probably one the best way to eat carbs and you can reduce the blood sugar spikes by eating them as a side dish.carbsr ways to get at a lot of boiled potatoes as a side dish. They're delicious and energy-dense.

Yeah, Yeah.

samefag, it's not about the amount of calcium in a product, it's about the bioavailability. So something with less calcium per gram of product with higher bioavailability is better that a block of calcium weighing twice the weight if that form of calcium is less bioavailable

i like dat sugar

exactly, just like all fad diets.

archeology increasingly proves their idiocy wrong anyway.

archive.is/00MAd

Just compare France and the USA.
France (commonly refered as "The French paradox": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradox):

USA:

Coincidence? I think not.

You should be mindful of the way your ancestors ate.
The inuit are a great example. Here are a historically healthy people who exclusively ate whale and fish products, but are dying left and right after being introduced to a modern diet.
It's racist to suggest that asians should eat rice, germans should eat sauerkraut, inuit should eat whale and koreans should eat kimchi. Your body is adopted to the diet of your ancestors and you ignore that at your own peril.

That's true and all except the paleo retards are complete morons who believe in getting rid of things like wheat and grain which our ancestors ate like crazy. They want to and think they're eating like cave men but cave men didn't fucking eat like what those retards are on about. All paleo morons should be gassed for their stupidity.

France has McDonald's too, you stupid nigger.

And the French paradox is explained by them not eating way more kcals than they consume and being far more active than stupid Americans stuck in their suburbs and cuck cubes at work.

Grains didn't even grow in northern europe until the middle ages, so if you have a british or german background, like most americans, you are not well-adopted grains, because both brits and germans turned their grains into beer and bread was only a small part of their diet and didn't even contain wheat, because wheat didn't grow well north of the alps. If you have a german or british background and you want to eat bread, you should probably stick to rye, because the 250 years or so that your ancestors have been eating wheat is the blink of an eye in your evolutionary history.

The french paradox is not a paradox at all.
It's all extremely healthy and delicious and you're never hungry, because it is packed with nutrients.

French people are fat as fuck and diabetic just as everybody else except maybe Japanese and Thai and everybody who is too poor to afford KFC, McDonalds, cheese and oil.

The funniest part about your abortion of a post is that you list cheese and sausages as positives and then McDonalds as a negative even though a burger is just a bunch of ground meat and cheese on a bun. inb4 this total imbecile tells me that French people don't eat white bread or that it's the fucking sugar in the ketchup that makes a burger unhealthy. Holy moly

Don't worry about food types vs. food types. Worry about getting control of the food back from their hands.

See
What's the point of having science if it can be bought.
Corruption in science and politics need to be made capital offences.

So what? But in fact it was Atkins – a cardiologist – who used to promote the LCHF diet and tell people saturated fat isn't going to give them heart attacks.

I'm pretty sure it's still calorie restriction a la Weight Watchers. And LCHF works, you just have to do it.

I smell a vegan.

WTF are you talking about? He's worried about obesity among children.

It's no surprise.

Food industries massively replaced sugar by fat, which is the #1 reason there are so many fatties and diabetics in America.

Stop eating sugar aside from vegetables and fruits, and suddenly there's no way you can be fat, and you're very healthy. The only "bad" sugar that can be tolerated as it used to exist in older, more traditional meals is honey.

Fat by sugar, obviously.

>And the funniest thing is that they are completely blind to fat, they actually think cakes, donuts or chocolate are good examples of carbs or sugar when in fact they're just a bunch of fat.

No Mr I Know Science, they're fat + sugar. Big difference.

Your favorite biased vegan blog is likely the only thing you follow in nutrition science.

>Good on you for following a heart attack diet.

Are you that angry australian fruitardian vegan cyclist who eats 30 bananas a day?

It's not an evolutionary white trait, it's a result of continually eating dairy products throughout our lives. If you stop eating dairy for long enough, your body will enter its natural state of being lactose intolerant.

Milk is for infants. Grown men shouldn't be drinking that shit.

>Mate, I'm not obese, I was never obese and I will never be obese.

So your complete lack of experience with fat gain or obesity somehow makes you an expert on this topic? LOL you're a funny vegan.

Start drinking coffee, nullifies the withdrawals from caffeine

>I'm only defensive about sugar because this thread is about the supposed harms of sugar, none of which are backed by any science.

LOL and I'm sure you got lots of evidence to support your Fruitarianism and you're just dying to do a copy-paste of your usual vegan cult propaganda.

Youre actually pretty close, impressive there.

You can add in high-fat veggies such as avocadeo nearer to the bottom, as well as elafy greens and typical "salad" vegetables.

Potatoes are also not as bad, they just shoudlnt make up the bulk of a diet. Also, grains should be in their own category above the top. They are literal poison worse than even sugar or alcohol.

Wheat, corn, rice, barley, millet, sorghum, oats, all off the list forever.

I'll drink your sister's pregnancy milk. It's called colostrum. Yum!

You're Not Fat, You're Toxic is the title of a good book.

Jesus told us all to be fruitarians/vegetarians but the plebs always fuck it up and can't follow simple directions.

Don't think you can diet your way to getting strong and healthy. It's all just smoke and mirrors to keep profit margins in destroying the people.

Sugar and carbs aren't the problem and nor is fat. Fat and nutrients are stored by cells in the presence of insulin, and the excess carbs that can't be burned off immediately get converted into fat by the liver and stored in the body.

If the body is lacking glucose that organs vitally need, then it desperately breaks down muscle to convert the protein into glucose. The liver burns fat for this conversion and a byproduct are ketones which also act as fuel in place of glucose during starvation.

So eating fat also makes you fat as fuck when you eat carbs, but restricting carbs will deplete your glycogen, impede nutrient absorption and cause your muscles, soft muscle tissue and heart to deteriorate.

Acidic blood is from not breathing deeply enough, either from bad posture, stress, or disease restricting the breath.

Yes, modern processed meats are terrible for you. And yes, some factory farms are pretty horrific.

But neither of those things are arguments for vegetarianism. How could being a vegetarian possibly be healthy than be omnivorous?

Schopenhauer was a failed Diogenes wannabe and a hedonistic hypocrite

Our ancestors ate wheat and grain for a few thousand years. Our ancestors before that ate just meat and vegetables and whatever else they could forage for millions of years.

Show me one piece of evidence saying wheat or grain or corn is good for you. Heads up, they're not.

Start De-caf coffee.

>So eating fat also makes you fat as fuck when you eat carbs, but restricting carbs will deplete your glycogen, impede nutrient absorption and cause your muscles, soft muscle tissue and heart to deteriorate.

Not true. Building and keeping muscle mass on a LCHF or ketogenic diet is just slower than with carbohydrates. And it's not optimal either but if you're not a bodybuilder or an athlete doing competitions then it's nothing to worry about.

Switch to Hansen's diet colas, relatively decent products with no saccharine or nutrasweet (or sugar, or corn syrup, or creepy chemicals.) From there you can wean yourself off soda completely if you want, although their diet ginger ale is great and contains actual ginger. There's a diet cherry soda which is excellent too. Only diet sodas I've ever found that don't taste like ass and aren't full of crap. There are some with stevia but stevia is all over map. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's nasty. Up to your taste buds. A few vegans are now psychotically trying to postulate that stevia's bad for you, but I've noticed that even fruit-and-veggie-centric vegans tend to eat too much sugar, they just stay thin because their overall protein and caloric intakes are low.

Anyway, yeah: Hansen's.

Let me alaborate. Start with diluted 50/50 decaf/regular coffee and gradually lower the regular coffee proportion. I suggest Frappe' since you can drink it longer by adding ice cubes every time they melt, that way you can keep your drinking habits occupied without taking in more caffeine.

Bingo. We never had the time to adapt to it, so it harms us.

I would say yes, but at the same time, id eat baloney over wheat any day.

Youre all over the place hot and cold here, bud.

Yes, but this can be trained out of you by minding posture, tongue position in the mouth, and practicing the Wim Hof Method.

no, no, they definitely are. Especially grains.

Thats if you dont get enough fat. Eat high fat meat, and also eat organs. Weve grown accustomed to eating only about 1/3 of the useful parts of animals, basically the flesh.

A better approach is to see animals as meat, organs, and bones. You make steak or ground meats from the meat, sausage or a bunch of other things from the organs, and you make bone broth from the bones. Eating only the red meat off of a cow literally leaves the most nutritious parts out.

And what causes insulin to spike? Carbs.

I've found that "vegetarian plus chicken and/or fish, keep the sugar low, only indulge in dairy if you're not lactose intolerant" is pretty much an ideal diet. Especially with regards to protein and certain other nutrients–if you can't eat nuts and/or beans and/or dairy, then you probably need meat or at least eggs. Vegans insist not, but many of them are pretty crazed.

Sounds like a good diet to me but that definitely isn't vegetarian. That's just a healthy diet with a focus on vegetables and healthy meat/fish.

You sound just like my fat older brother.
He never gained weight either, until his 50's…then he bloated out. He never learned how to handle it, he didn't understand how to lose weight, he had never had to.
When you bloat out, please imagine me laughing at you every time you look in the mirror and whine about how unfair life is.
Me, I have my weight under control and know exactly how to keep it that way, I don't eat suger, with the exception of a couple of fruits a day, and most of my diet is meat, eggs, & dairy.

When I ate like you, I was fat & miserable, now I'm not. Perfect proof for me what is good for you and what is not.

Some people are okay with wheat, but people need to get allergy tested to see what works for them. Everyone's body is different. I've found that eating small quantities of sprouted wheat specifically (way less gluten) is just fine. A lot of ancient grains, like quinoa, sit far better with people. Oats are usually okay as well, and are very good for you actually.

You gotta be very detailed with grain consumption, and keep it low. They're not all bad, not at all, some are very good, but you don't ever need them in large quantities.

The things you should eat most of are veggies and fruits, really. That is the one thing vegans are right about. I agree with you about us not eating some of the most nutritious parts of animals. It's dumb. The French are very good about this.

Sugar is a huge problem; it's even been linked with Alzheimer's recently. I've always had a sweet tooth, and purging it from my diet has worked wonders. Like so many things, it's not a problem in moderation, but we're not moderate with it anymore. Look for corn syrup and corn starch in foods, always. They're evil, and a major cause of the obesity epidemic. Never, ever eat fast or processed food, and always check ingredients.

No, of course it's not strictly vegetarian. ;>) But what I said is just a way of describing it that some folks can comprehend. I used the word vegetarian to emphasize that you should start with a veggie-focused diet and then add a few useful protein elements.

I wish people would just cook simple meals from whole food. Just buy some quality vegetables and meat and cook them. If you're not a great cook, keep it simple and check online for easy, tasty recipes to follow. There are so many out there. It doesn't take long to make a meal like this at all.

The health of our countries would increase dramatically and quickly if people would just do this.

This is a big thing people miss when they talk about Romans marching on bread and European ancestors eating bread. Those guys didn't eat bread like we know it today, sugary white bread or "whole grain" bullshit. They ate lots of sourdough bread, and other fermented foods.

You're dead on. Cooking is nearly as hard as people think it is, especially with the internet to teach you how and show you all the tasty recipes.

Absolutely agree.
But carbs, processed or not, should be the smaller part of your diet.
And refined sugar IS processed, and it's the kiss of death for most people.
And they put it in ALL processed foods, because they know it addicts you to their product.

What defines healthy fats and oils? I'm incredibly interested in the ketogenic diet, I'm a fan of Tim Ferris, I will find out myself at some point, but can you summarise things so I can have some preliminary information?

If by ancestors you mean those a few thousand years ago at the beginning of agriculture. But before that we weren't eating wheat like crazy.

And wheat has changed. In the 1950s and 60s they created a new kind of wheat to increase the yield and feed the growing third world population, Africans, Indians, Mexicans, Chinese, etc. And that particular wheat is now associated with many health problems like IBS and diabetes. If you're not at risk of starving you shouldn't eat a product that was made to prevent starvation. At least not on a daily basis.

He's using tor, don't be a newfag. If you're ignorant to privacy and other issues, you need to read up and linger on this board a bit more.

this

cooking is gr8

Same here, I'm a soberfag, so besides spending money stupidly it's my only outlet for shitty behavior. I've quit booze/smokes, but I haven't hit a bottom with sugar yet.

Try eating sour candy til your tongue bleeds and your teeth hurt for days. That might fix ya up.

Ironically the only people using Tor these days are those ignorant to privacy.
trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2016WinterDevMeeting/Notes/TakeBackCommunityChannels
tl;dr they used the cannibal left push the entire board of directors as well as a directory authority, and now want to (((moderate))) discussion on the mailing lists

Sugar isn't as immediately harmful as tobacco. So why would it become a boogeyman? It's much more subtle, caramelisation of the brain isn't immediately noticeable like blackening of the lungs and respiratory complications are. Systematic destruction of western culture and health via mental disorder and disease caused by sugar infatuation along with plenty of other endocrine disrupting chemicals in foods/water will be one of the biggest follies of our time.

I'm very aware of this. Tor was a great first step, but it has actually taken a 180 and become something law enforcement target and have managed to manipulate in ways we could never have anticipated. Things move quickly.

...

Idk what it is but people that say that they can't drink milk or that it makes them sick are non-white as far as I'm concerned.

Listen to his interview with Dominic D'Agostino the researcher, it's pretty good. There's also a follow-up Q&A episode.

Some people say the keto diet shouldn't be permanent but the jury is still out there. It's certainly not bad but we don't know what exactly the long term consequences could be.

Some people are doing the keto diet during the winters to try to mimic the natural seasonal cycle but since the strict keto diet calls for moderate protein I'm not sure if it holds up. But I like the idea of going on the LCHF diet for a few months per year. I might do that this coming winter.

Been keto for like 10 months and I don't know why it says 'healthy' there either. There's no fats I avoid as long as they are from a natural source.

Wrong again.
Eating ANY kind of fat along with sugar or simple carbs is the problem.
Sugar or simple carbs, when eaten, spike your blood sugar, as they require little to no processing to become glucose…your body responds by pumping out loads of insulin to mop up all that sugar before you go into sugar shock. While it's doing this, it mops up and stores all the oils (fats) as well, as they are easily stored with little processing, also.

As you get into the bad habit of eating sugar every day, you teach your body to produce loads of insulin with each meal, as that is what it's become habitual for it to do. You need to get off the sugar & simple carbs to "unlearn" this physiological reaction.

Fats & proteins can be burned as ketones just as much as sugar can, and they don't spike insulin. The increased time for processing also makes you feel satiated longer, as sugar will be mopped up out of your system & stored by the insulin response, leaving you with low blood sugar & feeling even more hungry.

I have a great diet except for my addiction to booze.

I've been phasing out my addiction to nicotine by using a vape and I've cut back on my alcohol consumption substantially.

I should also note that I've been getting fit this whole time. My addictions have not slowed me down in regards to bettering myself.

I got jewed hard when I was younger and I'm struggling to overcome it. I've tried quitting smoking a drinking cold turkey but that just isn't that realistic to me because I need to keep my wage slave job to survive.

I advise anyone on this board who is in college and considering drinking or smoking tobacco to reconsider. Nothing good can come of these two substances. It is just what the jew has told you to consume to emasculate you and make you compliant to their view of the new world order.

In case some people might need it, this is a pretty good chart. Counting carbohydrates is generally more useful than counting calories.

This guy gets it.

To over-simplify… if you give your body mostly fat as a fuel source, it's going to go into fat-burning mode (and if you're a fat-fuck and run a caloric deficit in fat-burning mode, you're going to lose a lot of weight)

Idk man. I drank that shit all day every day when I was 8 years old. Stopped at 9 or 10. Never drank it since then. It only takes a decision and sticking to it.

This is fucked.

I replaced my soda addiction with La Croix and it helped me cut out diet coke all together.

It sucks at first but eventually the taste grows on you and soda starts to taste disgusting and way too sweet.

Can't believe you guys are struggling so hard with giving up sodas, but OK:
1. Switch to sports drinks like Powerade and uncarbonated sodas like Hawaiian Punch and iced tea first. This is to break you of your "If I drink something uncarbonated, I'm still thirsty" habit. Do this for at least a month.
2. Double points if you have a coffee habit and switch to sweetened herbal tea at the same time. If you have a sweet tea habit, make the tea at home and cut the sugar in half. If you drink black coffee, switch to black tea. Again, do it for at least a month.
3. Switch from uncarbonated sugar drinks to lightly sweetened herbal teas or make fruit-infused waters at home. Here's some recipes for fruit infused water:
dish.allrecipes.com/fresh-ideas-for-making-infused-water/
If you're doing already doing sweetened herbal tea, stop adding sugar. Again, stick there for at least a month.
4. Every time you're tempted to drink soda, sweetened tea, or other sugary/carbonated drinks, drink a bottle of water instead every other time in order to cut your flavored drink consumption in half. If you want to, you can stick here forever, if you want to go further, stick here for a month.
5. Drink nothing but water. If you fall off the wagon, buy a single serving soda or sugary drink and go right back to your routine. I guarantee you that after three months of not drinking soda, soda is going to taste weird and syrupy. You might still enjoy it as a treat, almost like a dessert, but you'll wonder how you ever managed to convince yourself that drinking a thick sugar syrup full of artificial bubbles was quenching your thirst. Also, after three months of not drinking it, the carbonation will start to burn a little like it did when you were a little kid.

Personally, I managed to beat it in two months by switching to sport drinks and then quitting entirely, but ymmv.

Words of complete wisdom here, younkers…you'd do well to listen, I can confirm all he has said.

>Fats & proteins can be burned as ketones just as much as sugar can, and they don't spike insulin.

Protein induces a secretion of insulin but it also induces a secretion of glucagon.

If you're doing the keto diet for example and you eat too much protein it can be converted to glucose.

Get an app called 'Water Drink Reminder', drink the minimum water requirement on that for your weight per day. Drink as much coke as you usually do, though you probably won't feel like you need to once you force that water down you. Do not sharply drink the water, spread it out across the day, a bottle per hour for example. The app will remind you based on a time interval which you can change.

Over time, slowly drink less and less soda. And then eventually, only drink it with meals. And then eventually, don't drink it at all. The occasional soda is fine though, and I do mean a single soda every now and then. Here's a diet coke from Israel, it says do not drink more than 3gr aspartame, the sweetener used in most horrifying concoctions these days.

I'm from Atlanta - the home of coca cola and I used to be addicted to drinking Diet Coke.

I broke the habit by drinking flavored carbonated water. At first I didn't enjoy it but the more that I drank the more I grew to love it. The longer you go without soda the more you start to view sweet drinks like diet coke as disgusting.

Promise me the longer you go without soda the easier it gets - just like smoking cessation.

True, but not to the insane extent sugar or simple carbs can.
They are practically glucose already.

It's the truth.

Fructose is bad. Fructose is the only macronutional part which changed the last 200 years. More fruit, more syrups, more HFCS. Household sugar is slightly less damaging, but breaks into fructose too.

Limit sugar intake if you want but totally regulate how much fructose you eat and you lose watery fat like that *snips in the air*. I skip anything that has any form of sugar added, so most processed foods are off limits anyways.

Flavoured carbonated water is a bad idea too. I had a discussion in a thread that's still around labelled 'Unpozzing the human body' that you can see if you go to the catalog. If you were to consume this full bottle of concentrated juice, it's arguably just as bad as anything else artificially sweetened, grossly.

If you can't just drink regular unflavoured water, there's something hedonistic about that, and it's habitually startling to think that you couldn't go without flavour. There's something wrong with not being able to go without this pleasure, being dopamine addicted in such a way is a deeper problem than just the substances in beverages.

and glucagon plays a part in the hormonal mechanism of satiety. Protein tends to promote satiety.

I agree with you. I am simply saying that flavored carbonated water is a good way of getting off of regular or diet sodas.

Ideally everyone would be able to just quit their soda addiction and start drinking regular water. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who struggle with this as stupid as it may seem to someone who has never had this problem.

What do you think about tap water?

Theres no such thing. Fat doesnt have nearly the shelf life of grain or refined cane sugar. Grains especially are commoditizable (Jew-frinedly) that you can ship them across borders and even have a giant futures market for them in stock exchanges.

Yes there are some fatty oils sold in stores at Jew prices but as far as quantity thats pissing in the rain.

Probably not. If you already have a gut youre probably predisposed to higher insulin sensitivity. The only sure fire way is to eliminate grain completely, and restrict other cooked carbs to a small portion, like 25% of calories. Also watch your cane sugar and alcohol.

Pretty much. Although I would caution that grain is still an enemy, so undistilled grain alcohols (beer) should be eliminated. Also portion control of refined sugar is important, it might not take much to jack your insulin, and a little bit of that every night will eliminate a lot of your benefits from the grain free diet.

Also watch out for high fructose corn syrup. Most soda today is not sugar but refined corn, far worse than sugar for its cascade effects on the body's metabolism.

Welcome to the chans turbonigger, we're a little subversive here. Also filtered for kikeiness.

Quit stealing our gets tripkike.

not an argument

Probiotics are good, feremented stuff is good, its also a useful area to supplement in, as its usually not too expensive. Also Prebiotic Fiber is big, it is the fuel for the probiotics to eat and help colonize your mouth and gut. An example is adding a peeled raw potato to a smoothie.

Fries are actually on the menu so long as they are not cooked in grain oil (canola, vegetable oil, etc). Fry in fat, peanut oil, sunflower oil, etc.

Literally cant read the OP
Filtered for Kike Veganism

They are less important than dairy and eggs. Filtered as well you turbokike.

Ooh look its like a goddamn bar mitzvah in here. Filtered.

Peanuts are alright just boiil them.

Yep, the 1960s were a time of massive kikery on every level. Probably only equaled by the last ten years of transnigger social media driven garbage.

Bullshit, start big and stay there. Cut grain and severely restrict sugar and most other carbs, you will feel fantastic in three days. By day 7 you will have reached most of the temporary effects peak, then fat will melt off you until you are a sexual tyrannosaurus.

Milk can be a problem thats for sure. Even if you have lactose tolerance, it is still a sugar and drinking lots of milk straight will give you the same insulin problems. Better method is to take raw milk and make it into cheeses or butter, concentrating the fat and adding valuable bacteria colonies.

Cutting grain will literally uncloud your brain, thats how bad the insulin effect is, it "fogs" your mind. Cutting grain first will actually improve your willpower, should make it easier to quit other, lesser sugars.

Dont bring uncle Adi into this you turbokike.

yeah, this is the mechanism that spread the grain. Having a massive amount of manlet riceniggers still wins over a more healthy but smaller nomad population.

Over hydration is still somewhat a meme, but ive heard from people i trust n the subject that LCHF makes you need a bit more water, especially in the beginning phases of the diet. But i dont think 2 gallons a day is ever necesary.

Its not that much different user, i would still eliminate it entirely.

Ooh look the jew learned how to redtext.

Once you go ketogenic its almost impossible to overconsume fat. Excess calories will be burned rather immediately, and be releasedd in the form of heat. First time i ate spoons of coconut fat, I lit up like a Christmas tree, was sweating for an hour.

Change "nothing at all" to "no more Jews like yourself" and yes, would be better.

Dunno the situation in Europe but in the US it's packed with estrogen and fluoride.

(((they've))) gone from energy sources laced with poison to pure, distilled poison lel

Haven't eaten candy since.

Two years late, m8, they already are:

20min.ch/finance/news/story/Arzt-warnt-vor-Schweizer-Nationalprodukt-25611624

and now go away.

I know that fluoride is an issue but I'm still a bit skeptical about the estrogen.

FWIW black people in the US are afraid of drinking the tap water in favor of drinking bottled water because they think that the tap water is poised. It's pretty crazy but I think that they may actually be onto something.

The image is OC. That is something I wanted to do after quitting.

Yes, I quit soda, I went to unflavoured water, I got bored, I decided to try out flavouring it, and almost became addicted once again, it is flat out a bad idea, no matter what way you look at it. Flavoured water is only better because you intake more water.

As for my opinion on tap water, I live in a part of the UK largely unaffected by fluoridation, but I'm worrying about things like birth control. I don't own a water filter as of right now, but I'm investing in a replaceable activated carbon filter for my faucet soon. I'm only 18, my income is low, I can't afford expensive Alex Jones certified filters, not that I'd buy from infowars anyway. Isn't it amazing that we live in a time that we have such intellectual concerns?

Lift weights instead or do bodyweight exercises.

Bottled water comes from the same municipal source as bottled water. This is especially concerning in the UK, because if your area is unfluoridated, you could end up with fluoride from bottled water sourced from areas of the UK that are fluoridated.

dont buy it.

Walk/Run for like 5-10 minutes as a warm up
Follow up with lifting
Walk/Run for another 5-10 minutes as a warm down.

Gary Taubes has been on this shit for

years

Just read anything he wrote /thread

What you want to make OC after you quit?

I don't know anything about the UK in regard to their public water. I wouldn't worry about it too much though tbh. I mean the concerns are legitimate but I've seen people who have grown hella large and who have gotten incredible gains that drink exclusively tap water (in the US).

If you're really worried about it just drink tap water like the niggers do in America.

I meant to say bottled water sry.

Niggers drink bottled water in the US

I cut softdrinks from my diet entirely last year. Lost 10kg and feeling great! I will start working out too if I have the time.

Oh and the most important part. DRINK AS MUCH WATER AS YOU CAN, 3 LITERS A DAY ARE CONSIDERED OPTIMAL

You owe it yourself, you owe it your body!

Bad news: breastcancer.org/risk/factors/plastic

I always keep a water canteen on hand, so I have no excuse to "go grab a drink" when it's right in front of me all the time.

No, I wanted to 'do' flavoured carbonated water as seen in the image. I'm treating it like a drug, because it ultimately is what it is.

On this point, if your piss is yellow you're not drinking enough water. Keep a bottle with you and take a sip every now and then.

exactly. But keep the bottle BPA free! You don't want to grow a vagina don't you!

Yeah it really is.

At the end of the day anything extraneous like flavored beverages are just the jew trying to get your shekels and shorten your lifespan (collect on insurance shekels).

Dodge the jewish scheme and be the healthiest white man you can be.

This caused controversy in the other thread (unpozzing the human body), but basically, I'm a trap as is. So, should I avoid tap water? Is it detrimental in any other way than feminization? Because I already got enough of that.

I've been drinking tap water my whole life and I was pozzed as you can get a few years ago.

Once I started working out though my body started to produce tons of testosterone and after a few months at the gym the negative thoughts that I had about myself were reversed and I was able to get gains.

The body is incredibly resilient. It doesn't really matter what you ingest so long as your behavior is productive.

I understand why many are paranoid but at the end of the day I don't think it's that big of a deal.

If you're living in the US and are afraid of the tap water just drink bottled water.

lol what is a trap doing on Holla Forums..

There's no corruption goys, you're just paranoid conspiracy theorists :^)

What's a naive, close-minded, less intelligent than a trap person doing on Holla Forums? How generalist. If you can't see how you just acted like Hillary, ask yourself the same question you just asked me.

NO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NO DO NOT BUY BOTTLED WATER
IT IS FULL OF THE WORST CHEMICALS IMAGINABLE
THE BOTTLE BREAK DOWN IN HEAT AND LEAK PLASTICS
DO
NOT
BUY
BOTTLED
WATER

Instead invest in a reasonably priced filtration system.
Most refrigerators have one, but you can also purchase something like a brita. Or if you're feeling super paranoid buy one of those autistic Alex Jones filters.

Do not buy bottled water.

I have nothing against traps, but I still think you're mentally ill and could benefit from antipsychotics and therapy.

I mean this with the upmost love and respect. I'm not saying that you're a freak or anything I just think that could legitimately live a happier, fuller life if you considered treating your body dysmorphia rather than accepting it.

No matter what you do you'll never be a woman because of physical realities. I hope you get to a point where you can accept who you are and learn to love yourself.

Imo you're already halfway there if you're posting on Holla Forums - I wish you the best brother.

What filtration system do you recommend?

Like I said something like a brita, anything really.

Hell TAP is better than bottled I don't care what anyone says

You and I have a completely different definition of the word trap. I'm using it loosely. I do not identify as one, I look like one. Mentally, I am completely sane and masculine. Having a big ass, feminine figure, smooth skin, etc, all have nothing to do with dysphoria/dysmorphia. I'm not trans you fucking psychoanalysing fraud.

you're just another faggot.

Does anyone have the archive of the toxic substances the (((food industry))) is adding to our food?

It was a long thread and there was also a discussion about soy products, beer and toxic chemicals like BPA.

Eveyone has their flavour of degeneracy. And I mean everyone.

there are degenerate behaviors worse than others.

tfw no Holla Forums bf

Eat lots and lots of honey.

You think being a non-promiscuous, sane, productive bisexual male is worse than almost anything else you can think of? Do you think Alan Turing was a degenerate because he was gay?

Dope chart, I agree.

Winner winner chicken dinner here. Its what is hard for most folks to wrap their heads around, when there is an excess of insulin in your body, your whole environment is fucked, and anything you input has detrimental effects because you cant process anything correctly.

Our reliance on grain and refined sugar has toxified the population so bad that it literally gets in the way of doing good science since its so hard to find clean subjects to work on.

Its simply one more layer that has its uses. Being incognito to the LEO Jew is a multi step process, and a lot of it has to do with real life or "physical" opsec.

Its gotten yet worse in the last 20 years. The introduction of GMO crops has increased the amount of gluten and gliadin in wheat and other grains, which are triggering mechanisms for the body to release insulin and prevent its elimination from circulation.

Grain is bad, most all else are good, probably better to single out the unhealthy ones. What we call trans fats are usually "hydrogenated" or "partially hydrogenated" or some other shit.

Meat first, then veggies you leafcuck.

This is why i filtered you fucking grain jew. No one is built to withstand grains, they are poision. Some are simply better equipped to resist the insulin. All stand to gain from eliminating grain, wheat first.

Nah its explained by the higher fat and meat content of their meals. But they still eat bread a lot so there is that, they will have problems. Filtered for off topic semi jewing.

Taters and other root veggies are the only real way to eat carbs without getting inJewlin problems. Look at old German cuisine, its literally "meat and potatoes", real good helper for planning meals.

You are objectively and scientifically a Jew. Filtered.

Youre semi right. Grain is worse than cane sugar. But its because it promotes insulin EVEN MORE than cane sugar, not because sugar is "nutritious".

Nuttin really i love em. Just dont eat like a fucking pound of fries a day you should be alright.

Bullshit and a half. The first week of grain free and low sugar feels excellent, better than any other week after it because you relatively feel so much better than when you ate grain. Its a stupid idea in the first place that we should not have the evolutionary devices to let us know what tastes good and what does not.

Fun fact after 4 months of keto i tried a Heineken, my old favorite, and it tasted bad, was way too sweet for me. Now i want less sweet and more spicy/savory foods.

You might not but most white people do. Lactose intolerance is literally "lacking the enzyme to digest lactose".

Dont forget money. Taking out fat means more shelf life, which increases Jew-ability of foods.

Troof. You shouldnt see the keto diet as something to do for a short while, it should be a life plan.

Japanese are healthy despite rice, its still a grain. How much less destructive it is than modern GMO wheat and corn is probably responsible for the entire difference in health between them and us.

So yeah white people have lactose tolerance, but in general what all humans share is the affinity towards meat and away from grain, its a shared meme that allowed us all to evolve bigger brains and symbolic language and stuff. Certain tribes may ahve it worse when it comes to dealing with grain but we all suffer bad health of some kind when we eat grain and high sugar.

Funny enough it might be. Google the Allan Savory talk from ted Talks. Also google the ancient American bison herds. Fossil evidence suggests the American plains used to be home to a multi billion strong herd of varied ruminant mammals, and evidence suggests that we should be able to recreate that with holistic grazing techinques. Would probably improve the soil and air too.

True, its pleasant. Im looking into getting a soda stream myself, want to make my own homebrew seltzers and stuff.

I do steak on occasion but for the most part i cook my meat. Undercooked meat, especially raww, just isnt as easy to digest, and wastes time and effort if done all the time. What made us different from raww meat eating predators was literally our incistence to cook the meat with fire, which gave us valuable nutrition and the leg up evolutionarily. I remmeber somewhere saying that the smell of smoked meat is a trigger across the globe, even in people unfamiliar with that method of preparation. Like it might be some kind of genetic memory.

We literally are Fire Monkeys.

Buy the milk and make it yourself homie.

So does jewing and filtering the jew.

Well in the sense that they used capitalism as a smoke screen yeah. But otherwise it is the jew.

A lot of nut butters have cane sugar and other oil in them, gotta be careful. But it the label has nothing on it it should be pure. Whole foods usually has a press for you if you want to make your own nut butter right there. Almond butter is pure smek.

I dont think it directed us as hard as eating cooked meat. Also, as i said in an earlier post, I dont think it was for pure milk drinking. Most ancient dairy consumption, i would guess, was raw milk, concentrated for fat, and possibly fermented. Yogurt, kefir, butter, cheese.

That frog better watch it. Pushing naturopathy (evolutionary science driven medicine thourgh non Jewish means) is getting a lot of people suicided these days.

I think it might be more than that, i read quoted 9 1/3. Fucking crazy. I want to try my own soda and ice cream because im pretty sure with fresh flavoring ingredients i should be able to get a product i like with less than 5g (less than 1 tsp) per serving.

Even store bought whole milk is bad. Commercial milk farming here in the states is so fucking bad they havee to have a "maximum acceptable allowance of pus" in the milk, I think it might be something like 25% by weight. The cows are so sick with hormones and disease that they try and keep at bay with antibi-s that they literally shit themselves right in the milking station. Most real dairy and meat production is off limits by law and protected by huge legal bullshit that other industries generally dont enjoy.

What a shitty thread.

Not really homie. I use a table top distiller to get rid of all that shit.

This for the shower, elmiminates the chlorine.

sonakishowerheads.com/inline-shower-water-filter.html

This for the drinking, cooking, and tooth brushing, eliminates most everything. Just remember you gotta remineralize the water after distillation by dropping some Celtic Sea Salt or Himalayan Pink Salt in it.

amazon.com/Megahome-Countertop-Distiller-Stainless-Collection/dp/B000ANW7HQ

I dont wish them the best. They are a symptom of the jewish disease, you should outcast them. Yeah its sad that the jew leaves his mark everrywhere but just like if a baby is born with massive defect, cast it out, its better in the long
run for our society.

Its bad but how much worse is it than tap. the chemicals are endocrine disruptors that come off of plastic, but so is all the leftover medicine floating in tap water. What bottledd water will do in the short run is give you water mostly free of chlorine and chloramines, which are harmful and taste like shit. I bought it exclusively until I got my setup going at home.

Ah, nope, distill that shit homie.

Flavor isnt jewish, artificial flavor with harmfulsugar and chemicals is. Making your own flavorful food and beverages is patrician-tier.

Meme tier garbage. Drink enough to slake off thirst, make sure its good water. Go a little over but dont obsess that your piss isnt clear. I know the one study cited for that where they linked color of piss to hospital outcomes, but its pretty damn well corrupted data, and i would not be surprised to see that it was connected to some jew or another, probably a bottledd water company.

Real shit i dont even trust BPA free plastic. Im not gonna take the word of chemical companies that the new stuff, which they only rolled out because indepdendent white reasearchers exposed BPA, is somehow safer. Probably just a matter of time until the new shit is exposedd.

Remember all plastic leeches, and all plastic comes from the refining of petroleum with a host of nuclear-level bad chemicals.

Yah ive seen large people do dumb shit like veganism. If you take enough steroids it almost doesnt matter what you do.

Runnig is a meme based on some horshit study from like 60 years ago by a super christ cuk guy who was a fan of running. I see no good evidence that it makes you healthy, even that it imporves your cardio all that much. Intense lifting with good form actually improve your cardio quicker, also intense short sprinting workouts. The only thing running is good for is very seldom doing a little to make sure oyu have some form down.

Fuck off, goon.

You mean the Triton stuff? I don't know man. Sounds suspicious but it's everything I have beside tap water.

You mean "tritan", the plastic water bottles? Yeah Im saying i am suspicious if not doubtful about the whole thing. As for "all you have besides tap", what does that mean? Is it not tap in that bottle?

Best bet is distilled, remineralized, then stored in glass or steel. Everything else is a step down, and there is no real good answer.

I meant that I normally drink tap water from a glass and when I am at work I take my bottle with me.

Ok thats what i thought. If you dont want to switch for cost thats understandable, but I would still replace the plastic with food grade stainless steel. I am actually searching for one right now that is convenient size and does not have plastic but its tough, plastic is easy to machine and has good qualities for ease of use, so is pushed everywhere. The popular choice right now is called KleenKanteen but i am avoiding it because its still plastic at the top.

Yeah, I think I will switch to a regular glass bottle. I read somewhere that steel and aluminum is leaking too. Little but still. Like I said, glass would be the best choice even if it's not as "safe" as steel or plastic.

Have you checked out the mighty mug? I'd love to know whether that thing is food grade or not. I mean, it has the killer feature of not being able to spill, no, really, it fucking works. Check it out for yourself on some videos. You can slap the thing and it won't spill.

why

Nigger, do you realize if your blood ph varies you can go into a coma and fucking die? These idiots and their "gotta make your body basic" are fucking retarded.

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They're fucking retarded. The body is slightly acidic, which is why basic burns are worse than acid burns.

But they are partially right. Brushing your teeth with baking soda is an extremely good idea.
It neutralizes food acids and bacterial acids. Plus staph, the main bacteria behind dental caries, favors acidic environments.
By neutralizing rough acids in the mouth, you also give your teeth a better opportunity to remineralize.
The best night time routine for healthy teeth would be to eat an unsweetened yogurt or well aged cheese (parmesan), followed by a few hours of no food or water, then brush your teeth with baking soda and some sort of flavorful oil (mint, thyme, clove, etc).

rouge acids, not rough acids

idiots. especially those who think carbs are more fattening than fat (people in ketosis excepted). low-carbers need to read this: rawfoodsos.com/2015/10/06/in-defense-of-low-fat-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/

Same,

It's basically like when dogs bark and alert when they sense things and don't really even understand what it is they're perceiving.

L M A O

RAYPEAT

This guy is a clown prescribing things that will ruin most people. Do not follow his advice all you have to do is go to his forum and see all the sick people clinging religiously to his ideas. I was one of them once upon a time trust me he gets a lot right and other horribly dangerously wrong. Do a search for gbolduev on raypeatforum he is one of the only sensible people to have ever posted there and I think he was banned along with others.

I don't get what's wrong with potatoes. Why do people have such a problem with starchy foods? They're cheap, there's no fat, and it's all carbs. Why not fill those extra calories with some potatoes and/or rice. What's the problem? I count potatoes as a vegetable calorie.

there is nothing wrong with potatoes. starchy vegetables and grains have been staples of every civilization.

Fats are good for you, idiot. You've been lied to.
Starchy foods are fine, but it's very easy to overeat them. So it's better to avoid them if you care about holding a strict diet without counting intakes. You have to be careful with starchy carbs

Any of the Berkey units with fluoride filters. Even if you live in a place that is unpozzed with fluoride you still need to get the chlorine and lead out.

Starchy foods like potatoes or white bread score even higher than honey or table sugar (sucrose) on the Glycemic Index. On a scale of 0-100 potatoes have a glycemic index of over 85. This is higher even than pure white rice at 64 and a slice of white bread at 70. Sugar (sucrose) has a Glycemic index of 68. Potatoes are literally among the worst things you can eat if you don't want diabeetus and a fucked metabolism.

Obese people trying to understand nutrition: the post.

Here's an obese person who has never tried "overeating" 3000 calories of potatoes.
Go ahead, you fat motherfucker. Buy 8-10 pounds of potatoes and eat them in a day.
No oil either, fatty.

The 4chan refugee question is real.

fuck off Vegan Justice Warrior. Explain how your complete lack of experience with fat gain or obesity somehow makes you an expert on this topic who feels like he can look down on everyone who ever had a weight problem. You're a massive preachy faggot with an inflated ego. Go suck your bananas and choke on them.

All high carb foods are problematic if overeaten, the question is how much for potatoes. Usually something like 10g per meal. So not much.

I make mine by grating them into small pieces for hash and then soaking and washing them with cold water 3 times, it removes starch.

Where I draw the line is grain. It may show a certain score on the glycemic index but that is only temporary blood sugar rise. Grains carry leptin, gluten, gliadin, and a host of other proteins that severely fuck with our ability to digest anything. They also suppress immune systems and cause inflammation.

Grains got to go first buddy, sorry to say it. Ama, I've been eating potatoes as my only carb for months and losing 40 pounds over that time.

Your understanding is fucked.
t.biochemist

how do we know this isn't meat industry propaganda trying to shift the blame right in front of us?

You used that word. Now I'm triggered.

All you did was switch one unhealthy thing to another slightly less unhealthy thing (which I severely doubt). The fact of the matter is you simply lowered your caloric intake without noticing and thought potatoes are magic like a retard who went full potato. It's easy to overeat on carbs because they aren't filling as protein and fiber and they can severely fuck with your blood sugar. Refined carbs are the ones to most watch out for due to its dangerous addictive nature due to the dopamine high they give relative to all other foods causing you to want to eat more and feel hungry much sooner after the last meal. Naturally nobody should go and just kick your body in ketosis either even though it won't be harmful but it won't be optimal either. Anyone looking for carbs should be eating complex carbs instead of fucking potatoes. You'll be much better off and you'll feel full a lot longer too.

Most fats consumed are vegetable oils, especially soybean oil. You don't actually think your french fries are fried in lard (lard is healthy, by the way) anymore, do you?

Where they're from is of no consequence. It's how much you take in.

He was replying to a post about the meat industry though.

I mostly agree with the caloric intake angle because it's the one with the most proof and actually makes sense but if I recall correctly many vegetable oils can worsen and cause inflammation.

Because fat is naturally abundant in regular foods, like milk, cheese, yoghurt, olive oil, olives, avocados, fish, eggs, meat…
And it's been known for a long time that the sugar and corn industry is behind a lot of disinfo.

I wanted to say "fat industry" but then I'd look retarded for implying there is a fat industry that would benefit from nutrition based propaganda.

Regardless, this would only have an effect on things we consider fatty, like meat.

Cool slide thread bro.

well, that certainly struck a nerve. begin fat and struggling to lose weight makes you an expert, but managing to stay lean in the middle of this "obesity epidemic" means you know nothing? a (hclf) vegan diet certainly isn't the only way to do that, but the idea that potatoes makes you fat and gives you beetus is retarded.

You're a stuck up vegan cultist with a yuge moral superiority complex. Everyone can see that, everyone tells you to fuck off and stop pretending you know The Science but you still come here to bitch and whine.

It wasn't a struggle for me to lose the extra fat I was carrying once I started counting carbohydrates. As long as I avoid eating too much wheat or too much sugar I stay lean pretty much all the time.

>but managing to stay lean in the middle of this "obesity epidemic" means you know nothing?

you wrote : Mate, I'm not obese, I was never obese and I will never be obese. You didn't manage anything but you probably tell yourself you're lean thanks to your amazing Willpower or some other self-aggrandizing bullshit story.

no, i didn't. i just think it's funny that so many low-carbers (including some of the most prominent ones) are obese.

Some prominent anti druggers are junkies. I want to know what works if you actually follow it.

Filtered!

Nah homie i eat like a damn horse now. And if they were equally unhealthy i would not be so much leaner and healthier now.

If all you got is pretending to be over my shoulder, you are a shill or an idiot.

Switch to sparkling water. You'd be amazed how much of the enjoyment of imbibing soft drinks comes fro the carbonation rather than the flavour.

so the people people who push low-carb diets don't actually follow them?

lol. faggot.

if you're refering to Jimmy Moore he's a weird case, his metabolism and his hormones are fucked up. He's not a good example for whatever you're trying to "prove".

sure, couldn't just be that his diet is shit. and there are many others: atkins was still fat when he died; loren cordain, the guy behind the paleo diet was still fat last i checked; that guy who wrote "wheat belly" is a fatass…

I drink Masterrace RC Cola by the can, probably around 2-3 a day. This has assisted me greatly in cutting down on booze, I don't drink beer at home now and this has enabled me to save money and stock up on ammunition.

I went 3 years without the carbonated jew, it can be done. I know I can't trust myself with a 2 liter so i don't introduce it into my environment, At the end of the night when I drop my can(s) into the recycling bag, I have physical evidence of what I have consumed.

Carbonated Seltzer water by the can. It's fizzy and is the equivalent to vaping for smokers, it's cheap as fuck too. Sometimes I will drop some grape, apple or cranberry juice into it for flavor.

Drink more coffee, start with some sugar and wean yourself off of it. Get fresh beans and grind them yourself, get into it.

Iced Tea. I have a few friends who have kicked the carbonated jew with this method.

Water. get a water bottle and bring that fucker with you everywhere. Drink until your piss is copious and clear.

Gum. Keeps your mouth busy and trick your body into thinking you don't need that soda.

It takes 40 days to form a habit.

Good luck!

BEEP BEEP CHECK JIB

Macrobiotics?

Truer than you may think. No wonder they hate being called pigs.

The jews are responsible for a large chunk of the sugar industry its even in their names zucker is german for sugar, zuckerberg is and steve zucker are examples.

The problem with soft drinks including coca cola is they are often the drink most easy to find when buying a meal.

Get water or sparkling water as a rule or natural juice (from concentrate is fine) but not juice flavoured sugar.

The acid in coca cola is the only thing that keeps the drinker from being disgusted by the taste, same principle with starbucks frappucinos and chocolate the bitter taste covers the sugar better.

Tate and Lyle was set up by the Lyle and sons famiy which are jewish, they even have a jewish lion of zion on their tins of golden syrup.

2-3 cans of soda a day is fuck ton of sugar user.

stop listening to alex jones, and funding his crappy show with israeli water filters.

don't replace one addiction with another

for me it was going to the dentist and having them tell me my teeth would be fucked if i didnt stop eating so much sugar. looked at my diet and guess what was the cause!

Look at sugarstacks.com and this pic rel is why.

I cant imagine the trouble that many of you guys have to go through. Its many months of hard, arduous "soda removing from your diet"…kek, looking back at it all from my perspective makes it seem kinda silly, that quitting coke is supposed to be so hard.

But srsly though, I am nearing pic related, finally…I am almost done.

That's not even nihilism, if you're a hard nihilist there is no "better."

I find this to be an interesting "coincidence", as in the last year or so they've been ramping up efforts in Australia to go all Nanny-state on sugary food and drink.

No freedom for you goy, we'll tell you what to eat, drink, and not smoke.

It has worked for so many people that only an anal vegan in denial would deny that LCHF works.

Don't drink soda.

It spikes your insulin, and when insulin spikes, fat gets stored in your cells.

Mixing sugar with fats is where the problem is. Eating a hamburger? Okay (Not great, but okay). Hamburger with soda? Enjoy being a hamplanet.

All of you fatties should understand a simple principle: Food is fuel for the body. It also tastes and feels good. Notice the order.

"Bigger, Leaner, Stronger" Is a good fitness book I recommend.

it works if you make sure you're in ketosis, which requires a diet that many have trouble sticking to. jimmy moore used to eat sticks of butter. i think i'd get sick of that pretty quickly.

/r/ketogains
/r/fasting

Good info there.

How Americans Shifted Blame to the Sugar Industry who shifted the Blame to Fat

This - it's helped me get away from drinking alcohol. To me, it stings (in a good way) like beer. And there are some really decent flavored ones out there. Another great thing about seltzer is when it goes flat, it just becomes water.

There is literally nothing wrong with sugar in small quantities. It's when people add it to everything, from ketchup to meat to bread to sauces, that it's harmful. Seriously, any prepackaged food in the US is concerningly sweet. I cook everything from scratch to avoid it. Not sure how they can kike up raw produce and fresh meat.

Feels bad man. We'll get those dirty kikes for what they did to honeybros.

Who environmentalist here? Nature preservation is an aryan ideal and our ancestors lived in harmony with their environment. Kikes hate nature, it reminds them they are weak, vile demonspawn who would die if they weren't parasitic off a better race.

Good goy.

That's great. Thanks for that.
Basically cuts out sugar, breads and shitty
processed. Deep down I know that shit's
killing me.

nigger

anti-slide

Investigate micro-dosing LSD, or if you are prepared to take higher doses, look into LSD therapy.
Many addictions can be completely removed using LSD, whereas most other addiction "cures" are simply substitution with a different substance or behaviour.
And no, LSD is not degenerate, Hitler would have approved of it's careful use.
Did you know, before it was made illegal, LSD was shown in several studies to increase IQ by 10 points on average?

OP you are just figuring this out?
watch the documentary "fed up" and "the world according to monsanto" among many others.

and they end up eating the same amount of shit.

Watch this

I tend to look for a bpa free bottle that only has spring water.

the customers are stupid yes, but look at how much they have been intentionally manipulated.

just wait till you realise what gets subsidized by the government

all the unhealthy shit.

he reduced a Syrup? ….and then burned it?

CH CHA CHECKED

I fucking hate candy. IT tastes disgusting but I still eat it.

help.

I just bought a bag of candy and ate the whole thing, felt disgutewd with every bite. I grew up with the thoguht that I will never throw away food. never ever.

Seed-oil industry is massive.

Not all fats are the same- saturated fats metabolize into energy easily.

PUFAs create inflammation and interrupt the metabolic pathways.

Take a look at grain consumption- which metabolizes into sugars. The rise in sugar consumption is negligible.

Look at increase in SOY oil.

Really stupid thread.

Such as limiting PUFA? How would that ruin anyone? Does pic related look like something that would ruin someone?

I'm really curious what you think instead of making insinuations and baseless attacks on Ray Peat's work.

Here's my personal way of eating.

potentially, yeah. looks pretty close to the sad, high in both carbs and fat.

Reminder that fructose is an addictive substance (present in table sugar and high fructose corn-syrup).

theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/01/the-sugar-addiction-taboo/282699/

updated.

what the fuck

fuck that shit

Your pyramid is fucking garbage

what are you, a pussy? not man enough to get your nutrients from plants?

please explaine why.

Is this filename supposed to be a joke?

I already stated why, fam

it looks like a vegan paleo diet
its bullshit tbh
green tea is thought to be the reason why although chinks smoke like chimneys they hardly get lung cancer because the average paddy farmer drinks 8 cups of green tea a day

You're a special kind of faggot, you know that?

Let's up the ante!

MONSANTO
MONSANTO
MONSANTO
MONSANTO
MONSANTO

FRANKENFOOD
FRANKENFOOD
FRANKENFOOD
FRANKENFOOD
FRANKENFOOD
FRANKENFOOD

BAYER BOUGHT MONSANTO
BAYER BOUGHT MONSANTO
BAYER BOUGHT MONSANTO
BAYER BOUGHT MONSANTO
BAYER BOUGHT MONSANTO

GMO'S ARE PURE CANCER
GMO'S ARE PURE CANCER
GMO'S ARE PURE CANCER
GMO'S ARE PURE CANCER
GMO'S ARE PURE CANCER

You do know you don't have to shit up every thread you go to by spamming, right?

Good for you user, but you're never finished.

There is always more to do, and there's nothing wrong with that. Not only maintenance, but pushing your limits.

I assume you know this, I don't mean to sound condescending at all.

We're all gonna make it, brah.

bump

Dominic D'Agostino and plenty of others don't seem to have that problem. I bet Jimmy Moore cheats a lot. He's a carboholic. One bite and it's over, he has to keep on eating it all.

Healthy fats and oils are ones that don't contain a high ratio of PUFA - poly-unsaturated fatty acids. Many oils from seeds contain high PUFA, ex sunflower, soybean, corn, rape.

Basically, what you want are mono-unsaturated, but especially saturated fats - coconut and animal fats are king!

Wasted dubs on stupid shit. Literally a food pyramid with supplements. Sounds super harmonious, breh.