EU referendum day

From a Marxist pov leaving the EU is the only sane thing to do, The EU is an imperialist (read Lenin faggots) institution that works for the big corporations, while making the centre of Europe think that the EU is benefitial by loading work and wealth into Germany, the Benelux and such; while we Southern Europeans basically function as colonies.

But the dilemma is not there, but rather our strenght as a movement. Are the Communists of Europe ready to seize power (rethorically and literally) in the scenario of an EU fall? Are we strong enough to resist and destroy the reactonary wave that grows in Europe? That is, in my opinion the real dilemma of the EU question.

Here in Spain the far right is under control, the dictatorship is still a fresh memory in the collective spanish mind, but I fear for the rest of Europe: France, Germany, the Netherlands, UK, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, Greece… The list is terryfing.

SPD. Martin Schulz is our man and currently the president of the EP and former chairman of the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats in the EP.

Most of the people opposing the EU are right-wing nationalists. German politicians, due to Germany's hegemony in the EU, overwhelmingly support the EU (at least to some degree). The most notable exception is the AfD, which originally started out as an anti-european liberal party and has now devolved to a Front Nationale-esque right-wing populist clusterfuck.

I'm not aware of any centre-left politicians opposing the EU. The pro-EU arguments made by the left mostly revolve around environmentalism, forming a bloc against the US and China and Russia, the Schengen agreement, a common European identity instead of national-nativism, elevating human rights standards in the less developed countries in the EU and preventing another European war. I'm not saying all of these things apply, but that's what the consensus is.

The EU was a mistake. The Euro its biggest mistake. I'm UKuk. I visited France and Spain before and after the Euro happened and predictably, shit got more expensive. The economies were simply too far apart to be shoe-horned into one currency that could cross borders at will.

I'd be fine for leaving the EU in a future where we have a less shit government than the one we do now. If we vote leave now, the Tories will just have greater power to intensify what they're already doing

I'm voting remain. I have no interest in handing a victory to the right-wing nationalists. While there are some leftists who have no doubt genuinely made the leaps in logic needed to justify a leave vote being a good thing, keep in mind that we've also been raided by Holla Forums for months now, and it's clearly in their interest to make their side seem like it has broader appeal than it does.

What about far-left? The far-left in the UK is unanimously eurosceptic, but very small.

In my opinion that's a huge mistake leftists in Germany and Britain make. A European identity is just another form of nationalist, and an equal obstacle to true internationalism.

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What kind of shit contratrianist logic is this? Go read a fucking book and eat less shit-"news" from the TV.

The vast majority of trade unions don't support Brexit.

Gee, I wonder who's behind this post.

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Is this the best you can do? Do you have any reason TO stay in?

The members largely do, the officials are more mixed, and the chairs and executives are pro-remain. So just like in the country generally and the political parties, it's workers and rulers, not left and right.

Here's a translated excerpt of the Left party's agenda in regards to European politics:

"The alternative is not defecting from the Union, but a fight for changing it. Retreating to the national state is not a socialist and democratic alternative, but rather an enormous danger. Each member state would be left to the hounds for the financial markets and savage capitalism. Nationalism and racism would be at the top of the agenda - this is something the Left Party cannot support. The rising fascism and the open racism we encounter in many member states of the EU
have to be met with resistance. What the left implements on a European scale opens possibilities for the struggles of leftists in other member states, enabling a revolution of international proportions. There is no alternative to European politics, or else we and our fellow European leftists will succumb to the will of cut-throat capitalists."

It's at least a small step into the right direction. Gradualism, baby.

Revisionist please go away

If you vote for what UKIP and the Right-Wing of the Tory party want, you're a fucking moron and objectively reactionary.

kek, i was just answering his question by quoting a party program of the german left party. nothing to get mad about.

youtube.com/watch?v=_YxfaABwTxc

Ignore the god awful music intro.

kek. Don't think I;ve ever agreed with you on anything before but yeah. The attitude of this poster and his ilk is a joke

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maybe a little fucking late in the game. But there's this.

LEXIT - The left case for Brexit

youtube.com/watch?v=Z0kuJhkMLWs

Just a heads up, we won't know the result of the vote until tomorrow.

It's a left-wing party that's been subverted by corporate interests, just like UK Labour and France's Socialists.

It's not. Gradualist internationalism is a lessening sense of geographic identity, not an alternative one.

That's like saying one company being replaced by another is a step towards the abolition of capitalism.

I think you don't know much about the Left party. You might be mixing them up with the Social Democrats.

It goes village -> kingdom -> national state -> international organization -> supranational organization. Right now we are at the brink of being between national states and international organizations. The EU is a model project in international cooperation and much needed to elevate the acceptance of the common folk for a global approach to politics.

Good luck with your Juche vote, Britons.

CPGB-ML's take:

youtube.com/watch?v=yw9GBn8tOCc

SPD are neoliberal cucks, why do you work for them?

Every communist in the US should work towards seceding their state, right?

Because it's my best shot at being part of a ruling party and influencing the status quo to be more leftist than it is. The left party is far away from getting a majority or even being part of a ruling-coalition.

I don't know if I'll ever make it to the top, though. My plan B is to be a lawyer specializing on public international law and the law of nations one day (I'm halfway through my studies) and publish Marxist and post-colonial legal theory on the side.

I am way too left-wing for the SPD but I take a pragmatic approach. I know it's looked down upon here but this is my approach to helping pave the way for revolution. We need people in the boardrooms, mingling with the neoliberals and trying to convince them as much as we need people in the streets protesting against capitalism and neo-imperialism. Same agenda, different approach. The long-con might not work but I reckon it's worth a try.

Clapistan is not an international organisation.

Thanks tankie.

I'm for remain, because migrants are actually good for the economy despite what evidence there is to say otherwise, the EU's control is a good thing and that I want to suck big migrant dick and have many interracial babies for the new communist superstate!

Nigel?

M8, you will be molded by memesthe apparatus and adopt the battlefield of parliamentary cucks fighting their petty fights.
Why don't you join the left party to put pressure on SPD? Your hands won't be tied and you could come up with more radical proposals from there.

I voted Leave.

The Morning Star article and Tony Benn's speech was enough to convince me.

Vote Leave Brit comrades!

youtube.com/watch?v=_YxfaABwTxc

Just be sure to vote!

youtube.com/watch?v=7xYO-VMZUGo

is EU reform possible?

lmao no

I voted to stay 10 minutes ago. I don't trust any party in Parliament to create a fair Bill of Rights, nor any party to campaign for the rights of workers. The government wants to take away freedom, and when they do, we'll have nobody to complain to.

It's a real shame leftists are voting for Leave.

I'm going out to vote remain right now, nothing the lexit people said rung true to me. Sorry. Maybe it's a mistake but it's what feels right to me.

faggots

so basically you're a white nationalist

No, one of the biggest problems is the euro and they're not getting rid of that. They side step whenever the plebs don't vote as they're told.

Yes, hello, Greece here and .. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??

Look, am only against the Euro, as it's a strong currency that only serves the north, but please…

EU is a bourgie thing, made for trade and can be nothing but capitalistic, cause it was made TO BE capitalistic.

And the EU can never become an "identity". The south and the north are different cultures.
You think we are lazy, we thing you are slaves. There can be no "European Identity". Not because "le nationalism". Because Capitalism and unification of europa DO NOT GO TOGETHER!

Capitalism needs the nation state.
Europa cannot become a nation state.

Leave is winning apparently, lol RIP in peace this country. I hope the idiots enjoy having no rights whatsoever while circlejerking about 'muh self rule (by aristocrats in westminster)'

If only Corbyn had campaigned under a Labour Leave campaign. It might have been so fucking different.

How? The fascists would still get into power.

Even if you do vote "leave," the best you could hope for is Greece 2.0.

FT says "Porky shits pants":
ft.com/cms/s/2/e404c2fc-3913-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7.html

one set of porkies profit profoundly from a brexit, the other set lose everything

it's just capitalism facing faster turning of its cogs

The workers should be shitting their pants too, fascism might be bad for international business but it's bad for us too

The leave vote wouldn't have been a policy vehicle for nationalism.

Or rather, right-wing nationalism.

A leave vote is not going to end up with fascism. Please sit down and breathe into this paper bag.

Who the hell knows what could happen? With Boris Johnson's ToriUKIP in charge they could repeal any semblance of rights. It's like the nightmare combination of sucking off corporations and far right nationalism.

It will end with the strengthening of the right, nationalism, Britain will compete more fiercely and openly with EU's colonialism. Possible follow up: French referendum spearheaded by Le Pen, and so on.

It's a lose-lose for us, and probably a heavier lose with a Brexit.

BTW: this week, on sunday, Spain has its general election. If Podemos & co. wins they could level Syriza's bargaining power vs. Brussels, if they are still unwilling to give concessions both countries could consider a referendum.

bet the scots are regretting not separating rn

Where to follow results:

reddit.com/live/x53e44r52h80

rt.com/on-air/rt-uk-air/

Probably the contrary. The SNP want a Brexit so they can claim independence sooner than expected.

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YT Channel of the CPGB-ML (Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist))

Workers for Brexit - EU referendum
youtube.com/watch?v=yw9GBn8tOCc

Rise and Fall of the EU
youtube.com/watch?v=_YxfaABwTxc

tl;dw:
Leave the EU for the sake of damaging imperialism, any further arguments are insignificant and mostly bourgeoise propaganda, whichever they the argument goes, nothing good for the workers of GB will come out of it.

Yes, the SNP is perversely happy because their supporters are sad.

youtube.com/watch?v=rgOQI5oJQ1Y

see
How is letting lose (arguably) the biggest imperialist force known to history is a good thing?

loose*

The deluge of Poles, Bulgarians and Romanians from Eastern Europe has already had that effect.

Take your scab bait elsewhere.

Can anyone explain to an Amerifat the long term implications of Brexit? On one hand I'm sympathetic because the EU is the largest capitalist organization in the world. On the other hand, receding into reactionary nativism hardly seems like the proper solution.

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they're not being let loose any more than they are now, they are only part of the EU because it benefits british imperialism as it is now. they'll find other ways, but it will momentarily cause damage. give any reason as to how they would become any more dangerous, but until then just shut it please, this is just grasping straws that are not even there

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please watch these videos
at least partly, as it covers most of what i could answer you
if there would be any more concrete questions left i'd be willing to try and answer

gee who knew london was classcucked

Someone's triggered he won't be able to dash to Carrefour to tax dodge on his wine.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djp3G3lf8uc

london is full of immigrants who don't want to be sent to camps by boris johnson

:DDDDD

That's not London. That's The City of London: a city INSIDE London. It's like if Wallstreet was declared a municipal gov.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London

That's NOT LONDON

nice response
i asked you for arguments, you deliver greentext bullshit
you're going from ridiculous to pathetic, be my guest and go full blown retarded faggot with your next genius elaboration

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gap is growing in favor of Brexit

i think we may be overreacting here, they've barely started counting and the gap is pretty slim

this is tingling my brexit senses
so hard right now

why. why would you post this here? atleast you had the common sense to spoiler.

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Maybe. Except Merthyr Tydfil went for Leave. Those poor sods in the valleys have sweet FA and are tribally left wing.

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see, there is theoretical utter bullshit that you're spouting
and then we have observable reality as it happened before our eyes and giving us the facts

so i'll just say go fuck yourself you EU apologetic lying little cunt
:DDDDD

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sweet B)

Report is that Leave is now the favorite with the gamblers.

I clearly said I'm not pro-EU here:

The current vote is a strategic one, and faggots like you know no nuance. You don't even seem to realize that this is the British voting and not Polish. As an Eastern-European I'd vote for my country to leave, and international labor would profit.

Now tell me how UK, France, Austria, the historical bad boys of the fucking continent, becoming independent and full blown nation states again with a radicalizing right wing is good for us.

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nice post son, you took the advice i see
full blown retarded faggot he is!
>>>/gulag/

anyway, it shows the progression

with britain OUT of the EU, they are LESS competative and open in their ways of exploitation of other european members, you fucking retard

Distinguishing the central powers from the periphery is crucial within the European context. Again, nuance. But I'm arguing with a troll, so, yeah.

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AHEAD OF THE CURVE

i do distinguish, giving examples and naming poland doesn't mean that the EU has nothing to do with it

you're either a fucking retard or troll if you pretend "he said something about poland therefore it has nothing to do with britain"

you're reaching unseen levels of faggotry m8

t.co/WD345I8jYr

Remain has briefly pulled ahead.

Britain leaving the EU means humongous business opportunities, the EU has one of the strictest policies on trade, production, etc. that largely benefit the consumers.

One example would be food. Not the British food industry can make shit tier food to sell to their own workers and to export to the US, etc.

On your second point: it's not Britain as such exploiting Polish workers, it's the British ruling class. Worse conditions await the poles back at home, that's why they left in the first place.

N U A N C E

now*

you're wrong, the "strict policies", oh which glorious thing that saves the working class and bring upon a new age of prosperity, especially when talking about britain, will do jack shit you retarded shill

London is still yet to come. It will be a big boost to the remain vote.

told you

>>>/gulag/
>>>Holla Forums
you're a special kind of retarded, m8

Ok, I'm done with this fag.

Oh snap lads 50,000 behind.

:DDD
>>>Holla Forums

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Welfare check not come through today?

wtf are you doing here

hello kid, isn't it bedtime?

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I don't know. Your mother hasn't come to kiss me goodnight yet.

I dont know whether to go to bed and wake up disappointed or stay up in excitement.

All the ruling class want is the status quo and a remain vote is a vote for the status quo

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They're being taken anyway without the need to leave the EU

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As far as I can tell, as an Amerifat, this is a lose-lose situation for the workers of Britain, but they don't seem to realize this.

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Well fuck me, i didnt know money had a bed time. Someones gonna make a shitload when this is all done and porky just gonna keep counting dem stacks

It is. Strategically, for the left, a leave is a bit worse.

BBC News is showing Leave moved back into the lead.

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Looks like we're heading for a leave vote. bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone

yep, mainland votes keep coming in and most of them is for leave

mirror?

Well, workers in America's rust belt overwhelmingly supported Bernie during the primaries, so maybe all is not lost.

i would argue that a leave vote would create a power vacuum in the political arena.

With possibly both the conservative and labour parties splitting could allow for smaller parties (both on the left and right) to rise up in local elections.

bbc.com/news/uk-36559505

Back to Remain

Oh comrade i hope the workers of America rise up at the up coming convention and let those fucks in Washington that there is turning tide in the peoples mindset

class consciences rising!

Cringe incarnate tbqh

A power vacuum is basically economic: porky wins anyway.

An ideological one is different. Leaving the EU with extreme-right undertones can colour all future narratives.

The workers lose no matter what. Fuck voting. Start taking notes from your comrades in France.

how the fuck can a vote be this close at 20 % + counted?
if it stays anywhere close to this, either way the result will be against pretty much half the populations will, if i were in either camp i'd be mad if i lost by anything smaller than 3 %

Ah but better a vacuum then no change at all, surely there are lefty movements/parties in this country ready to take hold of such an opportunity and paint their own narratives.

We can't sit back and let both the porkies and reactionaries take the momentum

I have to agree. We can only envy the comrades in the streets of Paris

no envy, only emulation!

University of East Anglia claims that remain's chance is down to 3% for victory.

Burger here so I'm not sure if this prediction is accurate. But from what I've been following, Leave seems to be beating expectations everywhere but London and Scotland.

this tbh
if the workers defend themself against EU or British imposed exploitation, if they're unifying on terms of class rather than race or get driven against each other, that got shit to do with staying or leaving, the bullshit this EU-Fag is spouting is nothing but out of his ass bullshit and neolib EU ass kissing

leftypol on pooicide watch

very different circumstances, cultures, tradition of left, etc.

What's funny is that Americans will be making a very similar choice in November.

N-no this can't be happening, I'm in charge here!

yeah material conditions and all.

Still that doesn't mean there aren't strikes happening in this country. On a small scale but i believe could provide a basis for further action.

I know i sound deluded, spouting that revolt is on the rise we simply have to size it, but we must start somewhere if we are to push for the rights of the workers in this country.

thx

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153,781 to Leave.

the fuck is this madness

Hilary fucking benn

How dare he use the memories of the Spanish republicans as way to convince mps to bomb Syria.

This countries politics needs a shake up of biblical proportions

nearly +300k leave

burgerstan here, is there really no left-wing opposition to the EU in Britain? The entire debate is being framed like the only people who hate the EU are anti-immigrant reactionaries.

the entire debate is being framed by those who can afford it.

The biggest mouth pieces that disscus brexit are owned by porky so no wonder there hasnt been much of a left voice

That's how Ukip and Leave Torries are trying to frame it, but it is absolutely a split on class divisions.

The fact that the turnout was far greater than the national elections tells you how much resentment the working class has both for the EU and the establishment politicians.

Yes, this is probably the truest thing said all night.

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YAY

Press will start to call it for leave in under 30 mins IMO

They don't, look at the votes Ukip got last elections, just 12.6% and only won one seat. The referendum has very little to do with Ukip.

maybe even less

UKIP has been the loudest and most consistent in their opposition. This will be a huge boost to their numbers.

*cough* SYRIZA *cough*

lights on in the European Commission at 0440

If they do this there will be riots, and the Tories will get buried in the next elections.

THE MARKETS HAVE SPOKEN

by whom?

51.2% Leave. :D

50% of Britain?

probably depends how much leave wins by imo

if it's a really slim margin they can probably just say it wasn't enough of a majority for such an important decision and decide to ignore the referendum

There is no reason for UKIP to exist if Leave wins.

leave leading by 418k votes, the gap is still growing

to quote Ernst Thälmann
capitalism always needs to get a beating!
i therefore conclude, this is a good thing

in what meaningful way is this a beating on capitalism? don't even answer

Again, Tsipras was a smartass about it.
The question was on the agreement, not the Eurozone. So, they said "Well, we didn't pass that agreement!"

Free MerketTM is triggered(C).

It looks like Leave will win with a half a million majority or more majority.

I haven't heard about that party yet.

*stay

yeah, i've figured out by now that you're a dumbass

leave: 462k lead

Okay, question time. Briefly, what will happen if Britbong leaves the EU? OR stays? Haven't caught up with this yet.

This will probably go down as the biggest mistake in UK history.

Declan Kearney, a Northern Ireland Assembly member for Sinn Féin, says his party will push for a poll on whether Northern Ireland should stay in the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland if the UK votes to leave the EU.

Declan Kearney BBC He says it will be "completely undemocratic" if the majority of people in Northern Ireland vote Remain but are "drawn out of the EU as a result of being carried on the coat-tails" of voters in England.

"Sinn Féin will continue to press… for a border poll under the provisions of the Good Friday Agreement, because this (EU Referendum) will demonstrate palpably a dramatic change in the political landscape of the north," he says.

NIGEL FARAGE SPEECH

bbc.com/news/uk-36559505

You're retarded. That's like saying that the Legalise Weed party would do really well after weed is legalised.

Even more good news!

Except weed isn't half of your economy. UKIP isn't a single issue party and as such has absolutely no reason to dissolve.

wew, smells like weed

is northern ireland voting remain? i know there are a lot of right wingers there, you'd think they'd favor leave

Bourgie stuff happens, trade agreemens gone, pound probably devaluated… The EU's foundations are shaken…
nothing happens.

theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-live-results-and-analysis

So, is leave god or bad?

What the fuck happened to Holla Forums? Holy shit.

It's bad either way, and probably a bit worse if leave wins.

fuck off

Aren't you being a little hyperbolic there?

no

Would you rather have an arm cut off or a leg?

It's not like anyone likes the fucking EU here.
"Shit happens if leave wins" shouldn't make anyone optimistic. "Happening" isn't positive by definition. This isn't 4ch/pol/

Bullshit, the EU coming apart only opens opportunities. You wont be able to reform it.

The EU is shit, but leaving is even more shit.

It's one of the most ridiculously stupid things the UK has ever done.

The whole thing is being driven by the alt-right

When leaving wont actually do shit to hinder immigration.

The negatives include fucking up the economy, fucking up trade, and saying goodbye to traveling/studying/working abroad in europe if you're from the UK. You'd need visa's now, which are an absolute pain in the ass

I just want to see some chaos and panic. Will leaving the EU cause that?

564k lead for leave

BURN IT ALL

theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alfredo-m-bonanno-let-s-destroy-work-let-s-destroy-the-economy

Yes, pre-WW1 Europe is sure better than the Eu!

Kek interesting example considering that was the jumping off point for a lot of leftist revolutions

BRITAIN IS STANDING UP TO NEOLIBERALISM
PRAISE KEK

wew, anarchism

Have you heard about something called the atomic bomb?

This isn't standing up to neoliberalism. It's appealing to nationalism

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wew, socdems

Nationalism is the only way we can destroy neoliberal capitalism, so that's good.

Britian would still be in the UN and do you really think they would be allowed to genocide their immigrant population?

That makes zero sense, m8

What on earth are you on about

Load up on inverse ETFs of financial markets if you got a brokerage account with some $$. The financial sector and the whole market is going to tank.

Retirees btfo.

FUCK THE BANKERS AND THE EU CAPITALIST TECHNOCRATS.

THIS IS THE GREATEST THING EVER.

Are you a Not Socialist by any chance?

So you are saying that it is preferable to have a nationalistic and split Europe, like before WW1, but with atomic superpowers now, alongside the climate crisis?

That's like answering to the question "would you rather lose a leg or a hand" with "Both!"

I'm a Marxist, btw, and political nuance is something really hard to explain to people who think that nationalism slowly but steadily conquering the hegemony of neoliberalism is somehow positive.

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Nice euphemism for "doing fucking nothing"

fag harder, please

You aren't fucking with them in any meaningful way. Capitalism remains.

if you were a marxist you'd use marxism and not your little "hurr durr nuance lolol" bullshit to smoke screen how much of a retarded faggot you are that has no arguments at fucking all

Probably leg TBH.

which isn't even the point you retarded cunt, jeez

Porky, plz.

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You don't seem to understand how capitalism works, tbh.

All these posts saying that this helps fight against capitalism in any way reads off as Holla Forums shitposters trying to make this seem like it's a good thing for leftists

There are upsides. Easier to reform the UK from the bottom up now. The EU has one less shitty country in it and legitimacy has been taken away from that non-reformable structure. We also can stop pretending that we can delay the start of the collapse of the world economy.

God dammit you faggots are so incredibly fucking stupid.

“Give us back our fish.”

It is a good thing you fucking reformist

it's kind of depressing to be in a constant state of "it doesn't matter all options suck, we never win"

a small group of autistic internet memers have nothing to do with it

your petty internet dramas are not real life

We're going to be told to vote again, until we give the answer the city wants. There's no way we're going to be allowed to leave.

If the city REALLY wanted to they would have just rigged the machines.

Pound tumbles to lows not seen since 1985 bbc.co.uk/news/business-36611512

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How are things in the US?

No thanks.
Yes, the strengthening of the right wing and isolationism is typically a bottom-up thing.

The UK isn't (wasn't) just one shitty country in the EU. It's a huge powerhouse with a pretty shitty historical record of warmongering.

We, communists, never pretended that the paradoxes of capitalism doesn't cause returning crises. It's been said again and again after 2008 that the crisis and global recession is far from being over.

just more proof that accelerationists are right wing fools

Let chaos consume Europe. Britain can be the first domino to fall, and out of the fires we will take power as people lose faith in liberals and want to be defended against reactionaries.

If you fags thought that the right wing was rabid withing the confines of neo-liberalism, you'll see soon enough what it's capable of on its own turf.

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No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver Just stay in the EU
It has the workers interests at its heart
[…]

BBC calling it for leave

You're proving my point

Then this isn't a returning crisis. It's a wake up that we still have yet to finish the last one. This one will go on for a while. The bond bubble still has yet to burst. First oil, then Europe, then bonds, then oil corporations, then whoever fights the hardest to define the crisis wins. Liberals won the 1929-1939 crisis, righties are currently winning the current crisis, but there's plenty of time for lefties to catch up, and frankly we have been catching up.

how to win against the alt right, nationalists and conservatives?

tell the people if only they stay in an imperialist neo liberal construct true liberty will come out of it

trust me guys
i'm a marxist

Why wouldn't leaving hinder immigration?

ITV news is saying that there is a 80% chance that Leave will win at this point

And why are you cheering them, again?
Obviously there isn't. We have around 30-50 years on this planet where life is still tolerable.
No we haven't, and accelerating things is obviously not on our side.

AND WE ARE OUTT THERE

TIME FOR REVOLUTION COMRADES!

DONT LET PORKY AND THE NEO FUCKS HIJACK THIS MOMENTUM!

UP THE WORKERS!

CRY MORE FAGGOT.
YOUR TEARS SUSTAIN ME.

i heard some people don't like living in colonialism
well think about that, the british empire brought them worker rights and stuff

stay in the union and away from these reactionary nationalists talking about independence and just want their national bourgeoise in power

trust me

What are unprecedented, mass free-trade protests across the globe? What are mass living wage protests? What is Podemos, Syriza, Sanders? Socialism isn't a bad word anymore but fascism still is.

The value of outcomes aren't necessarily predicated on who supports them. And only if you define those outcomes by those that wish to have their agendas tied to them, which you wish to accelerate, not me.

We're out of the EU. All further arguments about whether we should leave or stay are totally irrelevant. Now we need to focus on making sure this doesn't end with fascists gaining power.

The UK will up its colonial machine outside the EU. Isolationist policies need economic support. Expect shittier worker conditions, upping even further the police and surveillance state.

hey guys

so i heard some people don't want to be part of the reich
now let me tell you, we brought you freedom from the jews and now you can be good workers, we even give you the first of may as a national holiday

if you want to leave the reich and our occupied territory you're just being some nationalist who doesn't think strategically and nuanced

trust me guys
i'm a socialist

forgot pic

yes, some people agree

Surely this eternal Kraut speaks the truth, surely we should trust him for the third time ;^)

Oh please. Climate change is not going to turn Earth into some sort of Venusian hell. A bunch of Bangladeshis might die but most rich countries will cope.

This will be the start of a reactionary revolution. You're deluding yourself if you think that you're going to be able to build socialism from a British economic collapse under these conditions. Immigration and national sovereignty were the main issues driving Brexit. How are you going to get the people who voted for Brexit on your side, if you don't plan to do anything about the flow of Muslim immigrants, but instead try to convince them that the Muslim immigrants are largely their class allies?

It's not about who supported them. This isn't a single case, this was a long process, which the UKIP built and won. Are you going to say the same shit when Le Pen & co. do the same? Like they just appeared on the map and get to be erased by some magical causality?

Ridiculous.

This was a glorious day for the far right and the Holla Forums trolls ITT rightly celebrate.

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sure kid

RULE BRITANNIA BITCHES
youtube.com/watch?v=Sgd9nYqVz2s

ocean acidification
70% of oxygen comes from planktons
guess there's a huge market for air

You don't get party politics, do you?

GOMMIES BTFO

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Have you read this thread? Most of us are pro-Leave.

How does it feel to be in the wrong side of history again Holla Forums?

Britain is going to shake you marxist parasites off its back. Get ready for the rise of right wing nationalism you limp wristed commie faggots

I'm yet to see one "pro-EU" post ITT

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meant for

there are still plenty of sources for reactionary bitching and moaning, the european union was just the start

the most likely outcome of this is ukip merging with the right wing of the tories and pursuing an extremely reactionary agenda that involves dismantling welfare, persecuting muslims and immigrants, deregulating the economy etc

55.78% of Ireland votes for stay

Holla Forums on suicide watch!

From the standpoint of the economic conditions of imperialism—i.e., the export of capital arid the division of the world by the “advanced” and “civilised” colonial powers—a United States of Europe, under capitalism, is either impossible or reactionary.

A United States of Europe under capitalism is tantamount to an agreement on the partition of colonies. Under capitalism, however, no other basis and no other principle of division are possible except force.Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production, and anarchy in production. To advocate a “just” division of income on such a basis is sheer Proudhonism, stupid philistinism. No division can be effected otherwise than in “proportion to strength”, and strength changes with the course of economic development.Under capitalism the smooth economic growth of individual enterprises or individual states is impossible. Under capitalism, there are no other means of restoring the periodically disturbed equilibrium than crises in industry and wars in politics.

This is you.

Oh thank god, if only we had listened to you, we could have had full communism so much earlier.

To be fair, not having looked over the thread, there's a strong argument that, whilst the EU is a shitpile, and leaving it would be good, leaving it now, under these circumstances, led by this lot, is not going to help anyone. Not every change is good, and believing that leaving the EU whilst the Tories and their UKIP allies are on the ascendancy is going to lead to a rise in leftist thought is pure accelerationism.

When the EU is out of the way, the working class can now demand what it is owed, a real movement can now begin an legitimize itself without the City bankers an Torie fuckery.

The Leave vote is only a negative outcome for global capital.

It was already said ITT that the problems of the far right aren't caused by the EU, to begin with.

Yup, the British workers are now free from the yoke of international jews capital! Long live Britannia!

Yes, they will demand the removal of Muslims, since that is what they voted for.

good workers want to stay in the reactionary imperialist and in nature temporarily EU

it's to their own benefit to pretend to be marxists and leninists while defending this construct for being liberal and protecting the workers rights

which in any other way would only then and suddenly be attacked by the singled out nationalist and isolationist government and capitalist class that had only the peoples best interest in heart until it got broken by being driven out of this oh wonderful workers heaven, the EU

Bullshit, this isn't a Ukip victory, it's a victory of the working class against the City backed Tories an the imperialist bourgeoisie rule of the EU.

against imperialism and international capital = antisemitism…

where have i heard that before?
Nazis and anti germans, which again are also a völkisch ideology

what a suprise, the EU "marxist" is full of shit!

Neither result was negative for global capital. Either we remained and things continued as they were, or the UK is suddenly had to go begging to global capital to really punish us this time. We'll be signing up to TTIP in no time.

This only strengthens the right. The working class is not going to suddenly develop consciousness and realise the ruse cruise it's been taken on, it's just going to get led further and further down this delusional path that you can have capitalism without the problems so long as you blame those fucking foreigners.

nobody said that ITT

nobody said that ITT

and this is you admitting that you know you're full of shit
>>>/gulag/

This is a prelude to Trump's victory in November.

How delusional can one be?

Trump cannot win due to the demographic make up alone.

Brexit was never such a long-shot as a Trump potus.

How exactly is this a loss for international capital? For imperialism?

New investment opportunities opened up today for the British and international bourgeoisie and the right wing got much stronger in Britain today.

Nothing else happened.

Whatever is it that will believe the truth is that the average working class person is what you leftyshits would call reactionary, they don't see you as their saviours but as useless idiots, the commom person has a deep desire to be part of what they perceive as an strong and stable nation, the alt-right/reactionairs or whatever you call it is the only one actually offering this.

Fucking idiot

How is it delusional Ukip in the last elections barely 12% barely 1 million votes.

Are you saying 16 million Britons are Ukipers? Sounds a pretty stupid thing to say.

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Even if they think that, the only cure from the coming market collapse will be the undoing of Capitalism.

Only the Left can do that.

How's capitalist Britain not gonna be corrupt?

Holy shit. My mom came into my room to bring me a cup of tea and I literally screamed at her and hit the cup of tea out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the results tonight. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the fucking fuck did they vote Brexit? This can't be happening. I'm having a fucking breakdown. I don't want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want to remain in the EU and fix this broken country. I cannot fucking deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought Remain was polling well???? This is so fucked.

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UK now has more reason, and in fact economic need, to up its colonialist games.

nice pasta Holla Forumscuck

they have to up it
because they will lose their power and influence they already have through the EU

you dumb faggot

you're literally talking shit in a 360 way
whichever way you prefer it at that very moment because it feels comfortable you spout one nonsense contradicting your other nonsense before

you're a fucking spinning shitflinging retarded faggot

If you are referring to
then you obviously missed a joke. We had the same running gag with the glorious market speaking about Greece. Lurk more, fagot.

christ, as if the UK wasn't already massively subordinate to US power as is, they may very well become a Puerto Rico like state within the next 2 years.

Sure, but what the working class will think is:
>Social-democratic capitalism worked just fine before those German bureaucrats got involved!
or
>Capitalism worked fine before those damn shitskins coming in thanks to the EU migration rules!

This is what they are currently thinking.

TTIP will fix it!

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We'll recolonize you limey fuckers and show you how a REAL empire is managed.

look, and this is exactly why you are full of shit
you're dripping shit all over the place
jesus fucking christ are you fucking retarded or just dont even care anymore?
see

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A different group of porkies will benefit from Brexit.

Lel. Just to put you in perspective. You are at the point of losing your main trade partners, which brings you to daddy murrica.

This is what people itt calling this a victory for international leftism need to realise. This was a "Whoever wins, we lose" situation. And unfortunately, the side that we lose worse under won.

which is not even argued

this is all there is to it:

it will momentarily fuck the british imperialists over and they'll need to reestablish their shit

kicking them in the balls doesn't mean anyone thinks this will be a revolution or progress of any kind, but it is something else than pretending the EU has anything positive to it whatsoever

the bullshit reasons given are 1:1 US liberal and labour party talking points which are full of shit

give and take it's only a matter of screwing over the EU for the moment or going along the otherwise exact same path of knee deep shit

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ITT: EU shills, Holla Forums trolls and people who don't live in the UK deciding what the UK should do

They are one hive mind.

1. you need to realize that everyone else realizes this but you
2. the side that we lose under better has won, as it will hurt the brits and EU and US, even if it's nothing in the long run

3. stop pretending to be anywhere near leftist if you think the EU is granting and protecting the workers you libfag

So is this actually going to happen? They will just let Britain leave the EU?

*rights

3.1 it's the workers and only the workers that are going to protect their rights or fail doing so, be it within the EU or outside of it

pretending otherwise like you faggots do
is admiration of imperialist liberalism bullshit

also
3.2
pretending the EU is holding back british imperialism and exploitation is absolutely fucking retarded baseless faggotry completely wrong and got jack shit to do with reality
you're pulling this straight out of your porky-cock widened bleeding boycunts

If this was done under a strong Labor government or under the idea that Labor could win the general in 2020 or sooner (they won't) then maybe we could call this a victory.

However this campaign was fought solely on nationalistic grounds using spooks and rhetoric that would make even Donald Trump jealous. This victory will only solidify the far-right segment in the Conservative party and give them a path to the leadership. It's pretty clear Cameron and Osbourne will step down and some far right shills will take his place, call an early general, win it by a huge margin and continue will one of the largest privatization and anti-worker regimes the country has ever seen.

It can only get worse from here fam.

Then again what do I know, I'm a y*nk, just disregard everything I said

true internationalism

So let's take it from the top.

Britain votes to leave EU so right-wing nationalists can gain control of the country as Cameron leaves. Ensuing economic crash sets themselves up for a left-wing political uprising.

Britain votes to leave EU because they don't want to be cucked by them. Ensuing economic crash sets themselves up to ask for assistance from U.S./World Bank.

What did the Leave campaign have to gain from this outside of the country being controlled by white nationalists for a little bit?

with*

Never underestimate the Tory love of sleaze…

and again
we had this faggotry

you are fucking using brain gymnastics and breaking every single fucking bone you fucking retard

Traitors, every last one of them. Once again, Britain shows that they are nothing more than American corporate whores who want to destroy pan-european dream do not want there to be any alternative for NATO nor want to see unified Europe.
Today, right-wing fascists and nationalist dogs took away basis for building common trade- and labor laws across the Europe. Today capitalists took yet another victory against unions and our changes against climate change.

you guys are advocating to stay with imperialism and a neoliberal institution against the peoples interest
undermining everything you have in arguments for workers and against this very system

in hope people don't fall for right wingers momentarily?

yeah, good fucking job on being a nuanced stategic stupid cunt

*this is literally throwing yourself a stick into your bikes wheel and complaining people call you a fucking retard and leaving you for someone else while you whine and bitch that the right is winning

absolutely fucking insane, the levels of faggotry today have found its new all time high

Doesn't it have to get through the Parliament the same way Electoral College votes go through Congress in the U.S.? How bad of political suicide would it be to vote against their precincts?

Not surprised.

It's not like the UKIP won its biggest victory since its conception. They achieved a truly historic moment. Faggots ITT simultaneously argue that the EU fed the far right, and now that they can grow exponentially it's somehow over.

truly idiotic

GET FUCKED.
BRITANNIA WILL LIVE.
LONG LIVE THE QUEEN.

I'm not a Nazi but I have to agree.
RULE BRITANNIA

I can tell you're really salty af right now so you need to settle down.

I'm pretty sure if you polled the people who voted to leave what they thought of the British empire they would overwhelmingly say it was a good thing you tard. Politicians like Farage openly admit that decolonization was a mistake (see: the Falklands and Gibraltar).

Pretty bad. Expect crisis either way.

Bitch is a coffin stuffer.

Gibraltar and the Falklands are not very good examples of imperialism nor empire building.

Yes, this hurts the brits and the US, but it does it in a way that strengthens right-wing narratives. The population has just accepted that its problems are not the result of a government ideologically driven to destroy the state and further embed capitalism, but are instead the fault of Johnny Foreigner and the sinister immigrant hordes.

I'm not pretending the EU was a marxist paradise on earth, no-one (outside of a few deluded liberals), but it was a damn sight better than what we're going to get now. It's not braindead admiration of an entity like the EU to realise that it could be worse, and we're going to see that pretty shortly.

Try to claim this is a victory for leftism, but at the very most it's a little hill in the path of international capitalism. Once it's over the hill, the acceleration begins again. And the hill's covered in flags, and peasants crying because they love the queen so fucking much.

God I hate redditors.

I think he has a point. The average voter is dangerously misinformed.

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Father, if we form the anglo union we can become unstoppable

I wonder how long it'll be until we start seeing adverts for New Zealand Lamb again?

Francis Fukuyama = BTFO

people like you are typical upper and middle class twats incapable of grasping that someone might disagree with you.

OH, IT ISNT THEIR FAULT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN EDUCATED LIKE MEEEE NIGEL THORNCOCK, OH THOSE DREADFUL WORKING CLASS AND THIER RACISM MY WORD

you are right my friends, only well educated members of the state should have any say in political matters, the simple minded unpolitical working class comrades should have no business in it, trust me I'm a marxist.

they've nowhere said that, they were just being honest about not knowing enough to form a coherent opinion. Doesn't mean they want to get rid off their democratic rights.

Saying they dont have the education is pretty much a dog whistle for "them stupid poors"

Whoa

Retard.

exactly. if only 100% informed voters were allowed to cast ballots, then the only people voting would be politicians and retirees with nothing better to do

That's pretty much how liberals are trying to blame black people for Bernie not winning.

People who are mad: The rich, SJW's and Scotland

The working class has no political consciousness and frankly it is unrealistic to expect them to develop it in any realistic time frame, the only solution is to give them an incentive, maybe even a painful one, to set them moving towards the correct path.

Me neither Chris but globalism vs nationalism is what we got.

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holy buzzwords batman

lol, hayes better hide his power level before Microsoft national broadcasting company fires him

You know that Tories love this for the most part right? And they, for the most part, represent the absolute elite, right?

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David cameron is fucked, every news headline is saying he gambled and lost and his legacy is fucked forever.
And if he tries to pull a fast one they will vote in boris johnson or leftypol favorite comrade corbyn

so you chose both?

No man, you don't understand. Farage, Johnson, Gove, Patel et al are all champions of the working man. And will leads us to international socialism in our time.

Cameron was the odd man out of the bunch

How? You can reject both but only choose one since they are incompatible with each other. What I meant is that globalism vs nationalism is emerging as the new dominant political axis.

Yes. And so the further right wing of the Tories now get to call the shots. If Cameron falls (and he probably will) we'll be looking at Johnson in charge. Even if this goes beyond an internal power struggle into a full-blown election, Corbyn's not had the time or opportunity to actually challenge the media's narrative yet.

where are the buzzwords in that yfr

Capitalism is global, nationalism is just an effective ideological form in which it can ensure its survival.

"Globalism" isn't something spooky done by evil jews, illerminati, or 4d lizards. It's the development of capital globally.

"Muh degeneracy" is nothing else than consumer culture absorbing everything.

I'll just hope Nabisco keeps their promise that rainbow Oreos will protect queer people from being killed.

How did you come to this conclusion?

Wow it is like you are saying nationalism is anti-capitalism :^)

I know this is Americocentric, but can it be extrapolated that the actions America took in Syria eventually led to Brexit? It seems like it's at least a factor, and a pretty big one.

Capitalism for a leftist essentially means "everything bad that happens", so anything that he is against supports capitalism in some way or another.

Being reported that UK is going to lose its AAA credit rating.

Yes I know that already.

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Holla Forums is very enthusiastic about this

Now all we need is a medical crisis where women can no longer give birth and we'll literally be living in Children of Men.

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Wew, pretty cancerous tbh.

;___;

S-sorry….

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rude

You know at least Holla Forums is smart enough to use GNU/Linux

Don't know about Windows 10 but 7 has a program called snipping tool to take cropped screen caps

guess i should have just copied the actual text

Use what you want, just know that NSA/Windows 10 spies on you

;_;

bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

So… how many years until Scotland leaves?

This is will be used against Jeremy Corbyn…

Lmao, France has just over taken Britain as the 5th largest economy. It's gonna funny listening to the excuses of Brexiters when we fall into recession.