Lets have a thread about the biggest traitors of the left

Lets have a thread about the biggest traitors of the left


Who else do you fucking despise for betraying the left?

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The worst is that french people still believed in the Parti Socialiste after that, and now we have Hollande.

Enfoiré de traître.

Wow sounds like something Schröder would do.

Speaking of the SPD being traitorous fucks…

All liberals

wew

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What point are you trying to make?

Improved the literacy rate, life expectancy, and every other metric of quality if life.

You've been listening to too much Western propaganda, comrade.

I think he's saying that privatization can be a socialist policy lol

Blaise Compaorè

Comrade Kautsky

Fuck, was just about to say him haha

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OP here, what the fuck are you talking about?

Ah yes, the so called Pope of Marxism

By spending all of the revenue from Venezuela's oil production on social programs. If that dipshit had instead built some goddamned infrastructure and diversified the economy like a materialist would have done then Venezuela might have been able to achieve socialism.

Im no tankie but this is probably why Stalin killed his old comrades.

True, but that's more incompetence than betrayal. I have no reason to think he was malicious in relying on oil.

He ran a good campaign, politicized shitton of people, reintroduced socialism to the popular debate, raised traffic for Eugene Debs wiki page, how is he a traitor?
US leftists are fucking fucktards

How much did those improve compared to the same statistics in neighboring countries?

Reformist cucks out

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ideological purists out

Have fun destroying the movement with socdem and degenerate idpol. Fuck off revisionists, reformism gets us nowhere

Kautsky did literally nothing wrong.

Are you fucking serious? You would rather cling to the ideal of revolution that sure as fuck won't be happening anytime soon rather than voting for the "kinder" capitalist that, while being exploitative leeches, support the general improvement of working class lives? I grew up in a poor family mother fucker and let me tell you now that those reforms saved my family's fucking ass

As a rule I tend not to trust "Marxists" who use the term communist as a pejorative.

Those reforms didn't liberate the working class. They're like a drug that numbs you while you get mutilated. Stop being a fucking liberal pussy and work towards a revolution

The trilogy of spanish leftism. To the gulag with them all.

Of course they didnt fucking help your revolution. Yes they are a fucking drug that eases the pain of capitalism. But by god, millions of people like me and my family wouldnt be here today if it werent for those reforms.

Is a revolution ideal? Yes. Do I do my very best to help it? Yes, I spread class consciousness to the best of my ability. But for christsakes those reforms make life a hell of a lot easier

I know nothing about spanish leftism. Could you give me the names of the pics related so I can look into them?

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_Carrillo
Embraced eurocommunism.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Ibárruri
I'm not so sure about her, since I'm not going to bother to read her wiki entry, nor I care about Spanish leftism.

Also learn to reverse search images.

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the biggest traitor to the left and the revolution's gravedigger is Stalin.

Those reforms can be taken away at any moment and if anything hurt the working class. They've blinded them from their exploitation and are convinced that everything is alright with capitalism. So fuck you and fuck your bourgeois politics

Micheal Collins
He's a disgrace to Connolly

and yet, the country have worse rates than murica

how does that happen?

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Dolores Ibarruri, Santiago Carrillo, Felipe González. The first two were leaders of the PCE, the third was the leader of the PSOE.

Yes, by the 30's guys like Bukharin had literally turned into Kautskyist social-democrats.

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The point is that big government capitalism is just as capitalist as small government capitalism. That's why privatization is not a logical critique.

Private capitalism is no less socialist than state capitalism.

kys
mariborchan.si/audio/trotsky/

And you've been reading too much Bolivarian propaganda mi querido camarada, esa vaina es pura güevoná.

I hate it when people defend Chávez' government, it was populist shit that further ruined this country.

Even on Holla Forums there are Eamon "slippery" DeValera supporters.

Collins was a hero of the Irish war for independence, who knew that the brits didn't give them independence, they gave them a way to achieve independence.

haha

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This tbh

Yes, because "imma secret societies" and "

It's a joke fam

EVERYTHING IS VERY SERIOUS ALL THE TIME

Revolution is a spook. Who would be so dumb to sacrifice their life and not vote for reforms that benefit their life vastly just so that they get miserable and are thus more incensed to revolt?

At least he didn't destroy the largest socialist organization at the time.

as opposed to something that can't garner mass support and obviously can't work

btw, muh secret societies are elitist as fuck

I don't disagree that they can't be taken away at any point you fucking moron. My point is those reforms that you hate so much do alot of good for working class families. Is it socialism? Fuck no, but it doesn't have to be to improve peoples lives

The anarchists had much more support within the 1st international.
This is why the anarchist version lived longer and was revived and still exists today, while the Marxist one tapped out and never quite recovered.

BTW there's nothing wrong with meeting as a group of intellectuals. People do it all the time. It may be slightly elitist, but it's less elitist than establishing, say, a vanguardist elite.

kill yourself CIA shill

Venezuela is too corrupt anyway. Hugo didn't cause economic problems, he fended them off. During his presidency, he suppressed inflation down to 15%. It was up to 50% BEFORE he got in, and after.

god what a fucking faggot i hate that guy


what did he do ? i swear i'm not new

Destroy the internationale
Steal much of his theory without giving credit
Father a statist theory that killed millions.

This is beautiful. The more anarchism grows, the more this place starts to become indistinguishable from Holla Forums. People are even now learning all their theory and history from reading a few paragraphs on an imageboard.

What, Bakunin can claim no responsibility here? It was the collectivists who proclaimed themselves enemies of the communists right from the start.


Nonsensical slander. If you'd actually read anything he wrote you'd know he mentions and builds upon the work of Smith, Ricardo, and Proudhon. They all helped develop a LTV but none really brought out it's real revolutionary potential.


How many, a hundred million?

Worse rates of what?

inflation was around 20-30% during his government
"after" was his successor, that he chose

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Meanwhile in Brazil…

They had a chance

Had

The oil prices rising and the inflation rate lowering/the government having more money to spend is just a coincidence.

Disapointed tbh

They never had. Or do you really believe there was a way to implement anything other than a weak soc-dem? If so, off yourself.

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wew lad

I'm genuinely curious. It seems like Khrushchev did the best he could with the bureaucratic, degenerated worker's state that Stalin left him.

Grover Furr pls go.

He did. That's why tankies hate him. He dared to prove them wrong.

Now, how come tankies hate him, when he created the term, is beyond me.

Really? Did they? Because as far as I can remember, principles alone are not enough to break through structural obstacles that have been protecting the Brazilian plutocracy for over a century.

Presidents don't have absolute power, and Lula was not someone promising a radical transformation of the system we have but a humane management of this system. It should have been clear for the Left as far back as 1989 that we ought to have supported these efforts while also working towards more radical ones, independent from the PT or any party playing the electoral game.

Any expectation much beyond what they offered is infantile, illiterate leftism.

Even tough i despise him, i can't help but being amazed by how a guy working for the Vichy governement end up bing the first "Leftist" french president.