So, I have some buddies who are into shit...

Have you ever seen the one?

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Yeah, but don't the republicans, anarchists and other localists always lose to the Tankies or Fascists?

It's really bad form to quote something that was spoilered out in the open. there's a reason I spoilered it, user. the US had a communist VP – Stalinist, in fact

see my last reply

Oh? By flooding Europe with Islamic revolutionaries and flooding the US with indoctrinated socialist revolutionaries from South of the Rio? I just get the feeling that Holla Forums is in one of those "be careful what you ask for" type situations, tbh.

No, what is it? I had a mystical experience once though

Whatever you perceive it to be.

If this is your definition of "communist" you might be clinically braindead.

Who?

Well it helps kill off conservative white people.

And replace them with conservative arabs.
And nothing was gained for communism.

Well communism is dead anyways.

This isn't helping your case.

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whatever you think, bro

t. Judith Butler

this. Whites fight back. They don't like that.

I'm not telling you because you quoted my spoiler out in the open you piece of shit

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*easily manipulated Arabs
Also, they need a multiethnic society in order to better control people. They wouldn't want their pets to turn on them. That's why they're bringing in all the immigrants into the US

No, it's alive an well. It's just underground

okay, I know you get a lot of retarded Holla Forums spam, so you're sensitive. But, see my comment above and try not to get your panties in a twist, no offense.

WE ARE NOT LIBERALS

If you think conservative arabs are easily manipulated, then you have no idea what's been going on in the middle-east since the 1970's.

No one cares what some autist does on here. Have fun LARP'ing faggot.

It still doesn't make any sense. The entire cause of the migrant and refugee crises is neoliberal capitalism. They are disasters ruining the lives of everyone but the very few.
Yes, this includes the browns.

What the fuck?

pick one unless by liberal you mean jew, then okay

Fair enough, but they're not going to have a whole population of Arabs. They're trying to wreak havoc, that's all. Divide and Conquer, just like they did in Russia. The jews communist at the center of a multi-ethnic coalition. Makes for great control.
Well, in practice it always is, and I'm not trying to be a dick when I say that.

lol. Holla Forums always gets so butthurt.

Accelerationism, bro. Its about wreaking havoc. You have to have the havoc before you can punch through with revolution. But, I admit, it makes much more sense in the American case in fact, their rituals specify that it happens in the US first, then goes from there

Henry Wallace

Accelerationism is a retarded meme by people who want to justify not doing anything for their claimed political convictions. Some people do buy into it, but in the case of the Middle East, the US is actively avoiding taking any sort of responsibility for it.
In addition, economic migrants moving to Europe serve to bolster demand and fill voids in unskilled labor as standards of education among natives continue to rise. If there were no financial incentive, illegal immigration to the US would be very rare.

Nope. German study just came out that the refugees are a net drain on the economy

Well, its an alliance of greedy corporate assholes (who want to keep them non-citizens so they can't vote) and Socialists (who want to make them citizens so they can scream "kill whitey" and get them to vote) and of course the communists who want to use them as shock troops

Its funny that Holla Forums has this meme about the progressive stack (not that I necessarily disagree) when actually the plan is for feminism to lead the communist revolution and Clinton's (bill) main political advisor was a known communist

To whom? Your special secret friend?

we should introduce this user to satanposter

the ensuing conversation would be legendary

Is OP the stupidest person to ever post on Holla Forums? Quite possibly.

Wallace was a new dealer, socdem at most. Where is your source buddy?

I'd appreciate it if you'd ask that spoilered, please
theda skocpol

Just ponder why that's excellent. That'll keep you busy for a few hours.

do it!

Stupidest isn't improper. I'm not even that guy.

I'm not gonna spoiler shit for your LARP. I've done this for fun as well on 4pol.

you keep using that term, but I don't think you know what it means

You're rolepaying as if you're a mason or something. People do that on Holla Forums and pretend to be zionist. It's not funny.

I'm not a mason and I never said I was

LARP as if your friend is a mason or something.

George Orwell's snitch list. And, if you keep saying that shit not spoilered then I'm not going to tell you any more

okay whatever buddy. Could you please ask the mods to institute IDs so I can filter retards like you? thanks

Do you think the spoilers hide your text from the feds somehow?

Yeah I'm the retard.

whatcha gonna do about it

I don't think the feds care, and they probably already know what I'm telling you. In the archive, they're hidden, though.

you're a real piece of shit, you know that

you get nothing more out of me. A fucking thank you would have been nice since I taught you shit you didn't know.

This is why no one likes you, Holla Forums. You're a bunch of low-IQ poorfags that can't get laid, so you take your bullshit out on people online. People, btw, who are actually being nice and trying to help out. Well, that's the last time I do that.

bye bye

Buddy, the spoilers do nothing.

if someone archives the page, you cannot see it. Or, you could just humor me. Is that so bad? jesus christ Holla Forums is full of insufferable faggots. I remember now why I stopped posting here.

no offense. there are good, interesting people, too, of course.

it was just banter broski

lmao

Anyone who would go to the archieves to see it directly don't matter.

Those who matter have already logged it and stored it.

Stop being such a tin foil idiot.

BORGIA WAS A FUCKING GREAT SERIES!

Fucking a purple-haired smelly cooched antifa doesn't count as getting laid. And, you fuckers are so stupid you still think "theory" is describing reality, not a form of magic/manipulation/propaganda.

whatevs dude

derailing

more derailing

alright, I can see this thread has exhausted itself. have a good one

Henry Wallace

That one time the DNC fucked him hard. Or more recent?

Also, posting in epic thread.

Butler is a self professed socialist whether you want her or not.

Said the guy who took theozoology seriously.

>confirms wallace

Got source? He appeared before the committee did he not and they found nothing.

This whole thread is basically a tl;dr of the cultural marxism theory

pls come back OP.

I have questions

nm.

So Big Brother guy stops short of calling farming man a gommie, opting for calling him instead intellectually dishonest. I know he (farming man) was a bit of a lefty but was anything ever confirmed or was he great at hiding his power level?

What's the question? what's really, really weird is that FDR demanded him as VP, or he said he wouldn't run for re-elction. FDR confirmed for crypto-commie or idiot? Wallace was also the one who designed the farmer's subsidies, so he was pretty cool

Don't know what you're talking about

I gave you the source Orwell's snitch list, which people to this day are still pissed about. He labelled some people Stalinists, others fellow travelers – I don't think he had a Trotskyite category if I remember correctly. It used to be on wikipedia. try to look it up. it has a long list of really interesting name IIRC
Most books say he Wallace was at most a sympathizer or something like that. Yes, he hid his powerlevel well. He was also into temperance, daily exercise (in groups) and yuuuuuuge into the Occult. maybe that's why FDR wanted him so bad?

I couldn't sleep so I popped back in. What's up?

Is it? How so?

Does she use "Socialist" or just Leftist? she's a crypto-revolutionary, imho

I did this because because I know it will trigger your OCD and because you're spewing some really dumb shit.

never coming back. you can thank this asshole

Think FDR wanted him because he was popular, smart, wouldn't escalate things with the USSR and was cautious of the bomb. DNC had other ideas.

Large leftist infiltration through academia and government seeking to usher in socialism by the back door using mass migration to make western nations (those that didn't revolution post great war) more malleable.

What an asshole.

Assuming everything ITT to be true, is there a single group or person pulling the strings?

Wallace is not on the list either.

You're an idiot.

Or I had a lapse in memory. I read a lot. I'll think about it and it'll come to me. Unfortunately, you'll never know bc I'm not coming back here ever again unless that asshole gets banned.

sorry. no reply until the assholes who greentexted my spoiler, specifically, this asshole are banned and thus their posts removed.

Report them. I'll check back in 10-20 (unless I fall asleep which is unlikely)

He is.

Bottom here

orwell.ru/a_life/list/english/e_list

KEK

Yeah, I am sure that the mods will need you so desperately much that they'll ban me for trolling someone to spreads false information about an alleged communist infiltration.

I'm just glad that this information will be archived and that you're fucked now.

I bet Mossad will have a great time with you ;^)

Wow.
That 1995 webpage looks so reliable.

Looked it up on Wikipedia.
Had he been on the list, I'm sure they would have mentioned it.
That's even assuming that Orwell's list is accurate.

If this were 4pol I'd call you a shill.

wrong again laddie.

You'll notice the quote on Robeson is the same as the other link I gave you.

If this was 4pol I'd call you damage control.

Did you even read that?

It names a Wallace supporter, Paul Robeson not Wallace himself.

kek

Yes. And the exact same quote appears on the other website that you dismissed with an excellent version of (((current year))) meme.

is that you? you're damn ugly. I've seen a few of your videos. you clearly lack higher education and you speak with a fucking lisp. You only get traction because (closet) homos, and because you pluck the easy fruit (ie. hey guise. look. aren't feminsts retarded hurr durr)

I have bunch more. I'm researching it right now; I can probably access the original government documents where it hasn't been censored.

report that piece of shit. Dude was all-out supported by a known Stalinist and was a member of the PCA which I can probably prove using the government docs I already have was a front group

yeah… not necessarily. Wikipedia is skeptical about sexual dimorphism, remember.

nah, I believe "shill" is the proper nomenclature for Holla Forums – that or "kike" …. or idk. I guess you did say 4pol and I haven't been there in years.

Ah, now I see what you're saying.

No, what I meant is that, even assuming that the list as produced by Orwell is accurate (and not whether it's reproduced correctly on your .ru that even misrepresent what Orwell's list actually is), Wallace is not on it.

He certainly is not marked as a Stalinist.

checked.

don't argue. just report that asshole and help me find the original citation. I can pull it off the gov't website and see if it matches.

Kek! I will go tell Muke! Ha ha ha!

I guess Trump is a KKK member because he's endorsed by many KKK members :^)

^ this is what the spoilered text said, FBI.

And 90's tier websites have told me that THOTH made martians and later atlanteans to spiritually conquer earth.
They're usually a shit source.

Guys.
Guys.

I know several of the mods. I would honestly be surprised if they ban me, seeing they get dozens of reports every day and ignore most.

The only name I see under "W" is Alexander Werth.

pic related

pretty sure the FBI doesn't care if I'm exposing supposed commies from 70 years ago, let alone conjecturing about it, retard.

You're really just making an ass out of yourself, quite frankly. I mean, you're reaching levels of faggotry that are rarely seen on Holla Forums

Maybe. I'll try to find the book quoted in your link in the library. They probably left Wallace of the final list bc Orwell said he had "no definite organizational connection" and only some small connection with the PCA (which I'm pretty sure is a front group)

I'll also check my RAND Corp documents and the docs from the House-Unamerican Activities Cttee. tbh, though, its very possible it was in one of my books on the New Deal Era. I'll check the bookshelf

also, report this asshole

Make sure to point out that he is bragging that he knows the mods, so he can be as big of an ass to anyone that he wants. If the mods have half a brain they'll know that letting one autistic fuckwit with a rage-boner drive away quality posters engaging in good discussion is a real loser.

If not, then that explains why Holla Forums has such a low number of active users.

Why the fuck do you care about spoilers then? You're trying to prove that someone who's wasn't taken seriously as a security risk even by FBI under Hoover was secretly a stalinist.

Why would I report myself just because I triggered you?
We have more users than we've ever had. Hell, we're in the top five now.
We're doing fine.

You have no leverage buddy.

By the way "being an ass" is not a bannable offense.
What kind of kindergarden do you think this is?

There were two lists. Orwells personal list kept in his diary, and the more formal one he formalized.

Farming man appeared in Orwell's private book of suspected commie affiliates.

Okay.
But appearently he found him too little of a communist to even mention him as a fellow traveller. And Fellow Traveller is a broad fucking category.

There's a long way from that to saying "We totally had a STALINIST VP you guize".

don't have to explain my reasoning to you. You should just respect my wishes bc I'm here in good faith trying to have good conversation, and being fairly polite, considering.

You keep using that faggot word. No one here is triggered.

Also, you're wrong you piece of shit. Here's Wallace on the list from the NYTimes

nytimes.com/1998/07/29/opinion/george-orwell-s-list.html

Go suck a dick. I know you like that sort of thing.

just stop posting. if shitposting and spamming isn't a banable offense, then no wonder this board is shit.

this. thank you. I knew there were two lists. also, see here

nytimes.com/1998/07/29/opinion/george-orwell-s-list.html

And, this may not even be the full list. I bet there's a picture somewhere we could dig up. Oh! or a published version of his diary!!!

Also, could you please report that asshole for derailing, shitposting, spamming and all-around faggotry? thanks.

I'm serious. If this board allows this sort of shit, I'm never coming back, and I seriously have a shitload of stuff like this that I know all crammed in my autistic brain.

Why are you damage-controlling so hard? Why not just chill out and have a discussion? You're the one that keeps calling me triggered and saying I'm OCD and shit, and to any neutral observer, its clearly you're the one that's sperging out, here.

I have more evidence. I just have to find it. Ease up, faggot.

Okay, so will you please explain dear "quality poster" how him being on a private draft for another list to which he did not make the cut makes him a "stalinist vp"?

The last thing this board needs is more virgin autims.
We don't need you. You have no leverage. You have no power. Nobody wants you.
Just go.

You're the one that moved the goal posts from CONFIRMED STALINIST VICE PRESIDENT to "well, he was on one draft of a list, but didn't make it to the final cut".

wew lad. still sperging I see. Could you please use a trip so I can filter you? thanks.

Here's a supposed full text of Orwell's diary, but I can't find any names in there

orwelldiaries.wordpress.com/

UGH I CAN'T EVEN
WHY ARE YOU QUESTIONING MY TIN-FOIL CONSPIRACY SHIT
UGH
MODS PLEASE BANLETE CLEARLY THIS GUY IS AN IDIOT
UGH
CAN'T EVEN

Fair enough. May have been a bit strong.

OP, have you heard of the Reece committee? Specifically this part.

pic and video related.

youtube.com/watch?v=KBYwELtMt40

This is not some 'red under the bed' paranoia. There WERE red spies and the whole topic is interesting

ITT: the worldwide mad deadly communist gangster computer god has nothing better to with its time than shitpost on Holla Forums

And just for extra keks, here's all the cringy spoilered stuff

Kek. Fuck this thread.

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theguardian.com/uk/1999/sep/13/3

you don't think this shit is interesting?

Hell, a commie is Corbyn's spin doctor. Lots of shit goes unspoken when it comes to actual commie infiltration.

well, I came here to have a nice conversation, but I see that's not going to happen, so I'm going to leave now. Tbh, I'm not sure if you're sperging bc

a) you're pissed off that I'm talking and pulling damage control
b) that its some wild shock to you that communists, communist fellow-travellers or communist sympathizers actually made it into the US government

I'm going to assume it is (a) in order to give you the benefit of the doubt - a benefit, I might add, that you really don't seem to deserve. If it truly is (b) then you need to get your head checked, retard. Did Alger Hiss not make it into the government? Do you realize he was part of a whole circle that had infiltrated the government? Do you not realize that we know for sure that this wasn't the only group? I mean, if you're so shocked by the possibility that you're sperging like this, then yoiu really are truly naive, poorly educated or down-right fucking retarded. Think about it: in the 30s you weren't an intellectual unless you were a Marxist. I can show you where they had Marxists testify in front of fucking Congress, because Congress wanted their advice. I don't know what else to say. Your reaction is preposterous.

But, maybe I was thinking of someone else, maybe not. I've been willing to put in the work in order to find out, but all you seem to do is want to scream at me. So, I guess we'll never know since I won't be back here again bc of your faggotry. I'm tired and I don't have the patience or inclination to put up with this sort of abuse. I've been more than patient already.

Have a good one. talk to your doctor and get a change of meds bye bye.

Don't bother responding bc I won't see it.

No, I haven't. I know that other faggot is a nutcase. I'm too tired for this right now, though. Alot has come out since the USSR has fallen as well, and it keeps coming. Hell, man, half of the fucking "anti-communists" were actually communists, just Trotskyites (people claim Orwell was till the day he died). Like the Neocons/Trotskyists who took over the Republican Party for awhile there, and who just recently went bonko and admitted it. anyway, I'm tired. Report that faggot. If he's banned by tomorrow I'll come back and talk. If not, then have a good one. It was nice talking to at least one intelligent person ITT make a thread on Holla Forums and maybe I'll find you – or on one of the other chans. I usually go over there to Holla Forums to shitpost and shoop OC, since the userbase here is mostly insufferable faggots that lack any creativity whatsoever

you're only making yourself look like retards. you know that, right? I'm not even hurt. I'm just shaking my head. check your meds.

that retard labor party guy who lost; his dad was basically the most influential Marxist in his generation in the UK. this is some serious damage control going on here, I guess.

There's a tendency here to get super-defensive when any charges are leveled at historic lefties unless the charge is 'he wasn't a real leftist'. Honestly, some of you left/pol/s need to chill out. Shutting down debate cause you don't like the topic is very tumblr tier.

You keep talking about it. empty threats aren't worth a squirt of piss.

Nobody's being banned. Come back if you want but you have no leverage and nobody cares about your tinfoil.

Anarchism is for faggots.

Freemasons are fucking retarded.
My step-brother-in-law was one and had grandiose delusions. He'd tell people that he had secret connections that he clearly never had, because he'd constantly tell people he would help them by using his special contacts, and nothing would ever happen.
I remember having conversation with him about wiki leaks once, and he was like "Those people don't know shit" but then when I'd ask him to explain,"Nah, man. It's secret."

I wonder why . . .

Some Russian on 4/pol/ claimed once that the infiltration of the UK labour party was near otal from the 60s onwards. I'm unsure if Charles Lynton kicked them out or not.

meh… cba reporting and prob won't make a thread on 8pol.

I'm unsure if his dad was gommie. I assumed so as the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, but would be interesting if he was as he was director of the BBC.

…

Wait. You were talking about the Ed-bot weren't you? Yeah, that didn't go down well when the Mail printed a story about red-ed's father.

I thought black flag was anarchism?

It's called irony you dumb communist faggot.

Or samefagging…

There's a guy or guys going around multiple threads imitating the flags of the people they mock. Like in the liberalism thread.

How funny.

Leftists aren't capable of humor.

No one on Holla Forums complains of samefagging because they have thread IDs.

Oh yeah, and this guy
has made this statement multiple times.

oh no call the police

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Guys…guys…
Did you know,
the U.S. government is totally infiltrated by capitalist
*gasp*

I wish the communist conspiracy is true and a takeover does happen.

Then liberals,conservatives and lolbertarians will all be rounded up and taken to re-education camps.

I know it's most certainly a reagganite fantasy of 18 year old OP's mind, but the thought gets me hard anyway.

I'm surprised no one has posted this yet.

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The global elite want some elements of what passes for socialism these days. They want to get rid of personal property for the plebs for example. Owen 'the cuck' Jones refers to it as 'socialism for the rich', essentially the risk a public liability, the reward for the owners.

The trend favoured by the elite, though not readily pursued, since ww2, has been to bring the two competing systems closer together. This actually predates ww2, but it picked up pace since. IIRC FDR said essentially this shortly before dying. 'the soviet union will grow in respect for individual liberty and freedom while the US will become more concerned with society and the public good'. Or something or something.

The future agreed upon is 'third way' (Think Blair not fascism here).

Well, since you bring it up, let's talk about how the internationalist socialist (trots) all became the neocons. By ballot or bullet…

socialism for the rich is just capitalism anyway, no point in describing it as socialism since in socialism the workers own the means of production.

The current corporate-rule system in the US is just hyper-capitalism were most of the power is concentrated by corporate interests.

That's not even socialism.

The elite have been actively fucking themselves then, because everything they do is for the benefit of state capitalism.

we were allies against the Nazis at the time. That's not surprising.

So of the modern -mainstream to far- left, are they all capitalist sell outs, or are they seeking something new, something not traditionally socialist (ie worker ownership) but still left?

Who and what are we talking about specifically?
I'm guessing you're probably thinking of Social democrats, which isn't anything new.

incoming link

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nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Edu_Gate_WA_Times1987.pdf

before dismiss, see video above

Pay attention to the 'Why Carnegie' bit.

Now according to a YT video I saw, the Carnegie endoumnet had been planning such things from it's inception.

The crossovers between apparent super-capitalists and lefties is at times confusing. For example, Rockefeller money helped the Frankfurt school exiles set up the New School in New York.

that is the exact opposite of socialism

Are SocDems all that is left? I guess there are Dem Socks too. I was wondering if there is a new theory as socialism seems to have been dropped pretty universally aside fringe websites. But I doubt all the lefties are gone. So what do they do now? They must still have theory and ideology.

Or maybe it's the new interpretation of 'leftism'?

Thats just feudalism

That wasn't what you started out with.
Marxists being elected into office isn't "Marxist infitration" which was what you were going on about.
And sure, the KBG tried to infiltrate the US somewhat. The CIA did the same to the USSR.
Were they hugely successful? Fuck no!
Did the us have a stalinist VP? Fuck no!
Are anti-soviet socialists somehow soviet agents? Fuck no!

So you should stop pretending to be a victim here.

Seems a bit like you're suggesting there was never soviet infiltration? OP wasn't even passing judgement on it, simply raising the issue. Why is it so important to you to stop the discussion?

Awwwww, are you being oppressed when you can't defend the notion that we appearently had a stalinist VP and all socialists are infiltrators and controlled by jews?

Don't shift the fucking goalposts.
First it was hardcore jewish subversion of america, now it's "Soviet Infiltration".

Pathetic.

Wow lad you sound upset.

I'm not OP, so good start. I'm not a leftist, but have time for Wallace based on what I've heard about him, and had I been around at the time and american, I'd have voted for him. Only to have the DNC shaft me. But hey-ho.

I love how you're using the democratic process to defend leftists in power. How is it I know that in other threads you denounce this very same system as being biased for not returning enough leftists?

Why not both? Why can't both these things, and the fact that some lefties were elected, exist together?

Soviet infiltration. This happened. To what degree, and who exactly did what is up for debate. But do you honestly think for a second they didn't try? That's truly pathetic.

Jews, I offer you Noel Ignatiev.

You're typical of so many here, so defensive that anything you construe as an attack on your morally faultless leftist figures must be black propaganda. Newsflash shitcunt, both side were at it. We all know well the story of the US fuckery. Why must you try suppress the other side?

Because, idiot, there's a huge difference between saying the nation-state of the USSR tried to infiltrate the US state-apparatus historically and saying that a JEWISH COMMUNIST CONSPIRACY CONTROLS THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.

There's French infiltration of the US. There's German infiltration of the US.
These are common and normal things for nation-states to do.

That is massively different from say that "The Jews" (notice: not some jews, not a jew: THE JEWS) are nearly in full control of the US right now and will seek to kill all white people.

You're equating calling that bullshit with saying that the soviets litterally never had spies.
Of course they did. But being a socialist didn't make you a spy for the USSR, as was also heavily implied.

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You think all ideological espionage stopped at the end of the cold war? Right up to its demist the USSR was able to find ample support in the British establishment. You think these people just dropped it?

see

Do you think some of them deep down still hold onto their Trotskyite beliefs?

I don't know, would you cease to be a soldier with the nation-state you fought for dissolved, you supply-infrastructure disappeared, new people took over and the army you were a part of disintegrated.

Spies aren't evil demons. They work for a nation-state. Once there is no nation-state there is nothing to work for.

You could make an arguement for Russian infiltration remaining, but they don't have anything even cosmetic to do with the socialist movement anymore.

Perhaps. What would that make them agents of? Being a trot is not illegal. Indeed, trots were hardcore anti-ML, meaning they opposed the USSR vehemently, so you can make sure that they were not soviet agents.

Some surely do it for ideological reasons? I mean were the KGB really offering bribes larger than MPs salaries?

The bit about trots was an aside. They are agents of their own ideology. I was asking (badly) if they still hold such views deep down and just see the sword as an easier way of imposing them.

Do you think Putin is a communist?

Also, many Maoists went from communists to neocons, like David Horowitz. They usually weren't very ideologically coherent and endlessly argue the human nature is war, destruction, and capitalism meme.

Even if they are still Trots, they're pushin liberal capitalism harder than anything else. Who cares what they think at home? Their actions are the actions.

Whom are they reporting to? With what resources are they keeping up their enterprise? With no cover, and the USSR collapsed behind them, how do they uphold their cover when Russian Federation is anti-socialist?

Again, this whole thing doesn't make sense outside of a Bond movie.

Any infiltrators are working for the Russian federation now, because the conflict was not between ideologies, but between nation-states.

No. I think he is an egoist, borderline megalomania. But still pretty based.

They were still recruiting British intellectuals, politicians and members of the upper class. right up to the last. I see your point, for many it was just a job. But there are undoubtedly true believers.

by 'it' I didn't just mean spying. Some will surely be pushing it in their own way, be it by educating or whatever.

I don't think the left is as decimated as it is commonly presented. I do think that a lot of them are looking for a new theory or interpretation to come out as in the eyes of the general public, the orthodox lefty ideologies are kinda dead.

You sure about this? At the end of ww2 Russia was on her ass. No actually you're talking shite. Why would people working on the manhattan project choose the 'nation' of the USSR over their homeland? Definitely ideological.

do you know where you are?

Grasping at straws.
Carnegie's science department working with the Soviet's to enhance their curriculum would not be surprising if they were doing it for purely educational purposes. If you're arguing these private organization have too much power, then let's end capitalism.

Not for me.
If there's ever a profit to be made, they'll hang themselves for it.

who were also part of the trilateral commission to push their neo-liberal agenda to dispose of the "excess of democracy".

Oh. So… If were not talking about spying, what's the problem?
It's not infiltration if it's not organized and it's not illegal to have a political opinion.

You mean they turned into liberals? Sure, this is the american left until this year sorta. Now liberalism is dead in america, but on the left and on the right.

For some individuals, they might have choosen one over the other because of ideology, but these were the least dangerous spies. The most dangerous ones were those who were simply obidient henchmen and would do anything, even if it seemed to directly contradict the ideology they were supposedly doing it for.

The Nation-States of the USSR and the US didn't give a shit about ideology. The US propped up a bunch of dictatorships in the name of democracy and the Soviets did the same. It was about to elites in two nation-states compeeting, not actually a battle of ideologies.

When Philby defected he was under constant surveillance by the USSR. He was probably the best spy they ever had. Undoubtedly the best placed, but they didn't trust a foreigner despite all his displays of loyalty.

You're right that some, like Philby, did it for ideological reasons, but it was infrequent enough that the USSR was heavily suspicious of it.

Did you watch it in the context of the clip I posted? The old guy was a part of this investigation

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_to_Investigate_Tax-Exempt_Foundations_and_Comparable_Organizations

And is talking about his findings.

Which ties in with the above. Playing both side may be their game. Though I guess any kind of common ground found between them would still have private property, so the capitalists will win in the end. But it seems to me there are leftists at the top table too. I wonder what they get out of the deals?

We don't know if there is any organization or indeed endgame. That's kinda what I'm trying to discern. Who is today's active left and what is their objective.

Ostensibly at least. I just don't see an ideology or group of ideologies, who's appeal included many smart smart people disappearing.

Each time they did it was justified by ideology.

Fair enough. As we've established though, USSR =/= all leftism. I wonder what non USSR lefties of today are working towards and how.

You're gonna shit your pants when you see this hard-hitting documentary, user.

Okay. Proove there's a organized spy-network of leftists with the resources and infrastructure behind them with the equivalent power of what a super-power could support. The burden of proof is on you.
I, myself, find the whole idea ridiculous.

But not done for ideological reasons.

Probably socialism, you know. Probably through organizing and agitating.

I watched it, and he's very vague.
Merge how and in what way?
Reading through the wikipedia article, the only conspiracy that's really uncovered is corporatism, which he calls "oligarchical collectivism."
Rambling anecdotes from an old man aren't the most compelling form of evidence, if I'm being honest.

The only game is "private property".
You've missed the point.

Where?

Dude, if you are already of interest, you discussion with your dilisional friend why hes wrong is not going to set off a raid or something.

This guy I know who's a mod, say about the guy ITT:

Fucking people are pathetic sometimes

This was a great thread.