Socialism, capitalism

No I don't understand what he means because what he said and what you say is complete incoherent nonsense.


Dude, are you seriously saying the proletariat creates a product, the firm sells it, and the proletariat buys it back? Are you brain damaged?

Demand does not control anything, it is the Capitalists who sells the commodities produced by the laborers surplus value according to supply and and demand. what supply and demand effectively means is that it is a variable over the "Exchange Value", not the laborers value put into making the commodities. The worker controlls nothing, because the investment, the rent, and the exchange of the commodity is done by the capitalists.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_theory_of_value

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-form

Please at least read, before you say tremendously stupid shit like that.

It is not "controlled" you retard. The workers can't tell companies to build shoes that last 10+ years or to sell food/housing at a much lower price. The free market prevents these things from happening because they don't as much of a profit, therefore they go out of business or keep raising the price and degrading quality.

The proletariat can give an idea of what they want but what they actually get and at what cost is almost totally out of their control. That is no way equivalent to controlling the means of production.

Demand for necessities is not a variable and is controlled only by the suppliers. Demand for luxuries is also fixed but by the purchasing power of the consumer base. Consumers may be able to pick between luxuries, but they will invariably consume everything that they are able to. Thus the concept of "voting with your dollar" is shown to be a myth.

Note that here is a significant contradiction built into the capitalist system. Employers are inclined to pay as little as possible for labor, which limits the laborers' purchasing power, but they require a consumer base that has significant purchasing power to consume the products that their laborers create.

That is actually an accurate assessment. Workers make a product that their bosses sell to other workers.

Calm down. It's a popular misconception. People misconstrue the ability to choose between Product A and Product B as having some measure of control over the market.

Technically it's true to some extent, but as says there is an inherent contradiction between buying luxuries with their limited buying power (since the worker only gains a marginal profit from his labor), but this contradiction resolves in Marx through market crises, lay offs and sometimes with falling rate of profits.

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Thank for enlightening.

I will be sure to read about that convoluted theory full of arbitrary definitions with the main purpose of claiming my prior view that society is fucked, wrong and should change, and that everybody around me is a fucking idiot.

enlightening me*

I think goods should explode after 10 minutes of use. That way, they can't even be repaired.