Okay /lefypol/, greenpill me on Cultural Marxism.
Does it actually exist in any form? Or is it just a buzzword that porkies and Holla Forums like to use when they've run out of valid arguments. Is it just some Alex Jones-tier conspiracy shit? Or on the other hand, could it just be a very misunderstood philosophy?
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do see ppls say "the only real muh privilege is money' ?
that is cultural Marxism
"Cultural Marxism" is, above all, a nonsensical term on par with, say, "Secular Calvinism". It's inherently contradictory and meant to evoke personal feelings of revulsion.
The origins of the term are from "Cultural Bolshevism", a Nazi term used against the Communists; it was later adopted by American paleoconservatives including the famous Pat Buchanan. The idea is that their traditionalist circlejerk is so precious that literally everyone cares about it, not just them: the Soviets are trying to destroy our precious Western culture from within!!111!11!one!!11
Supposedly the basis of this unspeakable evil is Gramsci and the Frankfurt School, but these works bear absolutely no similarity to anything a Tumblr queen might spout, because rightists never read books they like to criticize. In fact, Western Marxists like Adorno were openly concerned with how capitalism was degrading genuine, naturally developed Western culture!
In reality, it's not even remotely Marxist and in fact bears strong semblance to right wing political philosophy. Read up here: academia.edu
Now, it can sometimes be used as a common noun when referring to Marxist critiques of culture, but this is virtually never how the phrase is applied these days.
It's a catch all term for people trying to subvert and change western culture.
Conspiracies are a way for proles to conceptualize their predicament.
"Cultural Marxism" as a theory of today's capitalism mixes up economic effects of 'post-industrial' capitalism in the Western countries, authoritarian surveillance state and left-liberal globalist multiculturalist politics from the 90s-2000s. Then it constructs a narrative in which multitude of these effects are tied to a single (which is also ''alien": communists who are agitators/destabilizers and Jews who eternally external in the Christian context) group of people – Frankfurt School. The irony is that first of all Frankfurt School is pretty conservative in its critique: they have the narrative of sort of rational asphyxiation (reification) of a modern man starting from Enlightment and even before that, which in short leads to all the horrors of 20th century; Adorno puts a lot of faith in the "high" arts and so on. More than that, they talk about 'KulturIndustrie', which is common sense now and is used by everybody, they talk about 'Verwaltete Welt' – administrative authoritarian world where rational economic principles of organizations are applied to the management of people – which is also understandable by everyone now.
So, you have a bunch of philoshopers, who created a set of concepts which are common sense by now and are used even (especially) by right-wingers, and these concepts are used to describe the predicament we are in, but then the philosophers for some reasons are treated not as scholars of a phenomena but as its constructors.
Crucial point here is that the phenomena which are explained by the conspiracy are real, so 'cultural marxism' can't be defeated on facts alone, because facts and theory are intertwined in the head of conspirologist and back each other up. The other thing to remember is that they essentially are right in their suspicions of leftists, because (as we all know here) there are no 'real' left (left which stands up for workers properly) for a long time, only identity politics and upper-class bashing of proles for being horrible and excellent.
More here: academia.edu
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What would Adorno have to say about this particular musical composition
Look, nobody can deny that the deconstruction/destruction of all culture is a goal of communism, but the Frankfurt School had nothing to do it. In fact what people call cultural marxism is older than the school itself.
The idea here is that the destruction of culture will turn everyone into mindless, passive zombies to be ruled over by the commie emperor of the planet or something like that.
Holla Forums pls go
I'm not saying that's what will happen, I'm saying that's what Holla Forums believes.
Nation-states, not culture.
Georg Lukács: "A considerable part of the leading German intelligentsia, including Adorno, have taken up residence in the Grand Hotel Abyss which I described in connection with my critique of Schopenhauer as "a beautiful hotel, equipped with every comfort, on the edge of an abyss, of nothingness, of absurdity. And the daily contemplation of the abyss between excellent meals or artistic entertainments, can only heighten the enjoyment of the subtle comforts offered."
Just another meme the people on top came up with to make the rest of us miserable.
Yous both link to that one article, only a year old, and written retroactively to explain away some of the dirt that may have stuck. Gramsci called for a 'counter hegemony'. Many of the Frankfurt school faggots saw culture as re-enforcing capitalism, ergo capitalism was part of the problem. And lets not forget on of the factors in forming the frankfurt school was to get to the bottom of why Europe failed to embrace socialism. Then there's shit like the first image here.
That so many of you are so keen to deny it's a thing, and shut down any discussion of it suggests there is more to it than most ITT make out. Pics 2, 3 and 4 related.
Nations are generally a result of culture and geography. Catalan separatists for example. You people support them right? But they want their own state, not to be a small cog in an internationalist tapestry.
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Good point lad. The last one, that edit happened within half an hour of me posting the first one here. One of you shits got the page deleted. But don't worry, it's back.
"Cultural Marxism" as in "some Marxists have analysed culture with a Marxist point of view" exist.
"Cultural Marxism" as in "Marxists who want to destroy western civilization" doesn't.
SJWs who talk about muh privilege and so on are not Marxists.
Are these really so different? If 'cultural hegemony' is taken as true, then changing culture is inherent to doing socialism/marxism/communism
This is true. Horkheimer gave up on Marxism entirely while Adorno became more of an old school Hegelian.
I think so, you can analyse culture without wanting to destroy western civilization. I'm not a Marxist but I think they believe that culture is dependant on the economical system, and not the other way around.
Alt-Right retards don't understand Cultural Marxism. They basically just say "Muh Degeneracy" or "Nice try cuck/Jew" whenever I try to explain to them what Cultural Marxism is. Essentially, Cultural Marxism is a field of social research started by Theodore Adorno of the Frankfurt Institute. According to Marx, culture is the product of the material relationship between a society's base and its superstructure, and Adorno sought to explore the ideology and culture created by this relationship in greater depth. Hence the name, Cultural Marxism.
That depends. If you analysis presumes that culture is a part of the system of oppression then seeking change is integral to your analysis. You don't critical theory something unless you wish to bring about change in it.
You that Swede or the Dane?
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sounds about right
Do cultural keynesianism and cultural misesism exist?
Marxism is a bit broader than those two no?
marxism had nothing to do with that post
Ok then.
No.
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Jews are disproportionately rich tbqh
This academic qt3.14 argues that Critical Theory really was/is crypto-Judaism, which isn't really a bad thing TBH.
To your whataboutism? Marxism is socioeconomic. The other two are pure economics. I shouldn't be having to tell you this.
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marxism is a pseudo-intellectual bag of garbage that has been proven wrong, and has been shown to create dystopias in the name of utopia, it's for people who don't know shit about economic
What economy does not involve society? This word is fucking stupid.
Benjamin, Horkheimer, Adorno, even Derrida and Levinas were living in modernity when the overwhelming consensus is G_d is dead. Of course their Judaisms were kept hidden.
Maybe so but Marx placed much more importance on the social side than did most other economists. Hell, one of the three main schools of sociology is Marxist to it's core.
What the fuck are you talking about? Economy is inherently social. Socioeconomic is a nonsense word, sociology is largely just pseudo-intellectual crap.
Maybe so but it's effects are being felt pretty widely.
What point are you even trying to make here? I lost you a few posts back.
Relativism. Subverting of society values.
I tried to explain this in my own words and clearly have failed.
He did, so? He called for the counter hegemony against the ideas of the ruling classes and did that from the fucking prison, where he was put by them.
It is reinforcing capitalism, it's a part of ideology.
Rudi Dutshke wants to bring about socialism by infiltrating institutions of capitalist State, so what?
Moderator deletes right-wing article about it, wikipedia moderators are liberals, bo-hoo.
Some faggot uses the word to describe his bullshit.
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That's cause we are not interested in discussing the most retarded conspiracies of politically illiterates proles for the 9000th time. I mean cultural marxism is really the bottom of the barrell: most traditionalists I knew actually read Frankfurt School as a part of their theoretical 'curriculum' together with Heidegger and could tell more interesting conspiracies, like geopolitics of Land and Sea, Haushofer and Jean Thiriart, something like that.
Funny that the article had been there for months then within an hour of me posting it here it was remove. But whatevs. Back now.
Pic 4 shows edit by Harizotoh9 just after I posted the 'long march' screencap on this board for the first time.
B…but everything you spoke to above IS the cultural marxist conspiracy. An attempt to subvert western culture started and inspired by- and occasionally involving- Marxists. Now the meaning may have got away from us a bit. But let's be honest. We need something in the pejorative to describe the SJW-esqe liberals who condone censorship, espout 'white muh privilege' and generally do all the shit the right has always suspected commies are up to.
If you leftists did your job properly and kept SJW cancer in check, you wouldn't have been tarred with the same brush.
It's not a conspiracy Marxists controlled the universities in europe from the 60's to 90's because of the social explosions happening and the class conflicts.
Marxism is the greatest and most accurate political philosophical/economic/social school of though and one of the most influential ones. Just because you American faggots are spooked beyond your minds with Reagganite american consumerist propaganda and ideology doesn't mean otherwise.
I actually wish the cultural Marxist conspiracy was true so that America stopped being the destructive and genocidal empire it is today.
I wasn't even going to bother. But since you've got us started. Let's take a look at places that leftists have taken power then assess each such institution on the basis of censorship and agenda pushing.
BBC - Alasdair Milne had charges of communism leveled at hime pretty regularly. His son is full gommie
Labour party - From the 70s, heavily influanced by the KGB
London School of Economics - This one predates the frankfurt school, but is certainly of the same mold. Founded by Fabian socialists the LSE is at the forefront of pushing globalism.
I think it is fair to say that the enitre unberalla of 'social sciences' is heavily influanced by marxists/communists, and indeed that most of the destructive (to traditional western values) (((theory))) for the last half century has come from such schools.
My question for you. Why, when there are quite a few lefties in positions of power, do they hide their power level and try sneak 'it' in through the back door, or as gradualists?
You are right. It is hardly ever mentioned, even on Holla Forums. Cause generally when somebody starts shining the light over this way your crowd shoot it down.
Le culural Marxists control the media, that is probably the reason all tabloids are exreme right-wing labour bashers all this time
are u retarded burger? what did ur labour party actually DO you imbecile?
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I think illiterate right-wing retards like are the main threat to western values of equality, liberty and fraternity
You retards talk about this shit every fucking day and even shitpost it here with your stupidities which are the same every time
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Not the third world filth the globalists (left and right) are bent on importing? Funny how the paradox of intolerance has a blind spot for Islam huh?
I didn't start this thread. I have a folder of this shit that predated left/pol/.
Anyway, you were happy to admit the leftist influence in universities now you seem to be backing away.
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If you re-read my first post, you could understand that this is what I wrote.
What distinguishes western culture from others?
Christian universalism, Cartesian self-reflexive self-criticizing subject, Kantian trancendental breakthrough, Rational secular state with the Rule of Law, Enlightenment, Egalitarianism, Atheism and modern science, industrial capitalism
What doesn't distinguish western culture from others?
Feudalism, patriarchy, traditional family, eternal hiearchy justified by religion
What do le ebil Marxists subvert?
Not christian univeralism – proletariat is universal class and everybody could be taught in the Marxist gospel
Not Cartesian subject – all critical social thinking starts from it
Not Kant – most Marxists think in tradition of German Idealism
Not atheism – Marxists are materialists
Not rational state – Marxtsis are against the state that serves the ruling capitalist class and thus is oppressive etc
Not science – Marxists are materialists, some of them critique some aspects of science
Capitalism – yes, because it doesn't hold to the Western standard of egaliberte set by Enlightenment
So yes, western critical philosophers (that existed only in the west) together with western hippies, hipsters and SJWs (also from the west) subverted 'western culture' by whining about 'oppressive social structures' (western concept) that 'subjugate' (also western) and 'repress' 'individuals' (which also came about from the west as the concept). Much subversion. So radical.
Nations are always the result of standing armies defining an economic region. Culture has absolutely nothing to do with it.
That is the exact opposite of what the Catalans wanted.
Right-wingers have the only maneuver in the playbook – portray the real political difference IN the country as an influence from the OUTSIDE. How did KGB 'subvert' fucking LABOUR Party or Britain?
'third world filth' imports itself because first-world is either bomb the shit out of them or because there are no proper jobs. 'globalists' care only about their bottom line not about pouring chemtrails in your flouride water
i don't know what is so special about it. scary teacher explained to you that society is composed of classes and the ruling class is exploiting you? as if you didn't know it. leftist thought is a mostly a product of self-critical western intellectuals, so it is included in the western curriculum, why wouldn't it be. but all the relevant departments – economic that is – are filled with neoliberal classcucks, so i don't care about that much.
Marxist never had "positions of power", they had influence in the academia due to social conflicts and the zeitgeist at the time.
Marxism is still influential but not so much due to teh fall of the soviet union and is isolated in political philosophy and sociology.
That's all there is is to it, there is no conspiracy. Everything else is Americanized propaganda.
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Hmmm, let's look at who the Frankfurt School were:
Horkheimer
Adorno
Benjamin
Fromm
Marcuse
There you have it, folks: the people who destroyed Western culture.
Have you read how Adorno criticized Benjamin on his Baudelaire criticism?
Benjamin was basically castigated by the Frankfurt school for being too much of an "idealists", even if he was their visionary poet.
And Derrida's whole sticht is basically a reformed critical crypto-kantianism it has very little to do with religion itself. Derrida believed all religions can be deconstructive, not just Judaism, as he says here:
Yes, real Marxists don't have kaballah gods or think they can talk to angels while high on hash.
Uh-huh.
The kabbalah is not even a religion though, have you read anything about it.
It has more to do with arithmosophy than biblical religions.
I don't know the connection between Derrida and the Kabbalah, but I think his lecture on religion basically says all religions can be deconstructive and can bring about differance.
Nations are explicitly defined by culture. Armies are recruited from a common culture and can only be maintained that way. Armies with diversity in them are usually shit ones. Nationalism is perfectly legitimate, it's globalism that's cancer.
What effects? Marxist brainwash?
Yes, Benjamin frequently employs the tikkun motif, pasting fragments together to make an idea whole.
Honestly, this would be better as an entire wiki article itself. No idea why wikipedia removed the original.
READ THE DIALECTICAL IMAGINATION BY MARTIN JAY AND DELETE THIS SHIT THREAD
That feel when yesterday I was arguing with some retard arguing that cultural marxism exists and I found out that actually all feminists are secretly communists
Can one of the reactionaries ITT please explain to me why you are so scared of Kabbalah and its influence on thinkers like Benjamin and Derrida?
Do you even understand what Kabbalah is? Do you understand that it is just a precursor to literary criticism and that it's not "Satanic"?
It's ((((((((((jewish)))))))))), duh.
Oy vey
Just to add to this, the thinkers who were influenced by Kabbalah (Benjamin, Derrida, et al.) hardly qualify as Marxists, if at all. In fact, Benjamin spent a great deal of his time criticizing Marxism, historical materialism and the USSR. I mean, Christ alive, just fucking read some of his work.
He criticized Stalin's economism and could never really shake his religious/romantic idealisms.
Sorry. Will post the PDF for those of us without a subscription.
Why are people talking about a kaballa? What has that got to do with cultural marxism?
It's because Walter Benjamin, the only member of the Frankfurt School whose writings are still revered in academia today, was influenced by the Lurianic mysticism.
Apparently, Holla Forums got a hold of this and has now modified their conspiracy nuttery to include Benjamin's messianism as a central part.
That the drivel in the second pic was replaced with an anecdote of conspiracies is all you need to know.
100% pure strawman.
thank you for this
it's sorcery aka judaism. read voeglin's "Hegel: a study in sorcery"
Sounds like Georg Lukács to me
Holla Forums pls go.
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wut?
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holy fuck why are there so many shit threads. it's like summerfag city in here.
Cultural Misesianism does. Look up Free State Project.
Marxist critique of culture is universal.
What "Cultural Marxism" implies is that Marxism only targets "Western" culture and society and exists solely to make life hell for white people.
this is America's culture. In America it is one and the same for many.
