Puerto-Rickexit?

Cuba 2 when?

you must really be doing this on purpose

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It brings us to the left in the Venezuelan kleptocratic social democratic sense.

Is that actually what 'real socialists' want?

are you planning to have any influence on third world fuckholes any time soon? no? well then who is?
oh right the global rich who makes billions off of exploiting the poor everywhere whoops right

It's a monumental improvement to what we have in the US.

Where would you rather live? Venezuela or the United States?

At least in the US, you can be reasonably sure that grocery stores are stocked with food.

The vast majority of Venezuelan people would kill to be able to live in the US.

I wonder if that's because the west and US has spent literal centuries taking advantage of colonial ties in order to prop themselves up on the bodies of the working class of the rest of the world
probably not tbh it was just a though

Venezuela in a heartbeat.

At least in Venezuela, you can fucking buy the food that is stocked there. Plus you get healthcare, housing, you know, things you fucking need to live?

This is complete horseshit. The traitors who do want to leave do so because Venezuela's ridiculously liberalized media has been totally bought off by the US and spews anti-national, pro-US propaganda 24/7.

I assure you that Venezuela can produce enough food from the people and the US isn't stealing it.

I can tell I honestly can't say anything to sway your mind but I've spent a combined 6 months or so in Venezuela (as a regular person, not a tourist, living with my then partner) and I can say what you're saying is laughable. Just spend time there or in a comparable country and see what kind of social democratic wonderland it is.

It's not as simple as just stealing resources, it's longterm systematic damage
we have enough food production right now that we could feed the entire world, why don't we do it? it's possible, but there isn't the system in place to facilitate such a thing

nytimes.com/2016/06/20/world/americas/venezuelans-ransack-stores-as-hunger-stalks-crumbling-nation.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0&module=Slide®ion=SlideShowTopBar&version=SlideCard-12&action=Click&contentCollection=Americas&slideshowTitle=A Starving Country¤tSlide=12&entrySlide=1&pgtype=imageslideshow

Yes. PR and US are nothing alike and there's no reason why PR should be using America's models and such to deal with its own very specific problems. The FDA, for example, would probably have to make entirely different regulations for us due to our climate. Not to mention most Puerto Ricans still don't speak English etc. It's just a horrible idea.
Also daily reminder the first socialist revolution happened in PR.

You should just ignore the retarded BR tankie.

If you do this you simply dont understand how imperialism works anf how indEpendence and nationalism for PR is a progressive movement.

Puerto Rico is a colony, their economy is thightly controlled by the US, and the vital government questios are controlled by the Federal government. One example: the legal status of PR requires for every ship that wants to load cargo on the island, to first stop in an American port to be cheked. If this isnt an obvious violation of the freedom of the Puerto Ricans then I dont know what definition of freedom you could be using.

Nationalism is a contextual ideology. Its not the same to demand the independence of Puerto Rico or the Guam islands than the FN in France or the Trump supporters, and all of them are examples of nationalism. You have to see what consewuences and what are the demands, its undialectical to simply dismiss a movement because of its name or how it is catalogued.

Demanding the independence of PR and the non-payment of their debt, for being ilegitamate is completely in line with the Communist ideology and the seek of freedom for all people and nations.

You're right the hypocrisy is strong here.

that wasn't me though.

The GOP is one of the most reactionary forces on the planet. The Democrats are shit, but there's less risk of leftist groups being actively persecuted.

Puerto Rican statehood gives the American left more security.

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You appear to be lost, friend.
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You can go have a nice discussion about how the Left is a single, monolithic ideology and how you still can't wrap your head around the concept of "imperialism"

Apparently it's still 7.25, but a couple of months ago Republicans were trying to eliminate it

money.cnn.com/2016/03/31/investing/puerto-rico-congress-bill/index.html

Then there's this: speaker.gov/general/what-you-need-know-about-house-s-puerto-rico-bill

which links to: naturalresources.house.gov/uploadedfiles/promesa_packet_6.6.pdf

So apparently PROMESA establishes (among other things) an "Oversight Board" which supercedes democracy and is empowered to "to enforce balanced budgets and government reform if the territory fails to do so." With a provision that states:

"The reaffirmation that PROMESA holds supremacy over any territorial law or regulation that is inconsistent with the Act or Fiscal Plans."

So for all intents and purposes Puerto Rico has lost any semblance of sovereignty.

And while looking for information about PROMESA I came across this: fee.org/articles/how-the-minimum-wage-helped-wreck-puerto-ricos-economy/ which makes me want to scream.

why is copy-pasting from a pdf such a pin in the dick

I hope Puerto Rico likes lead in its drinking water

This. I don't think a significant portion of our debt is owed to the US government but if it were it would be more than paid off by taxes involved in the Jones Act.

This, Reagan wanted PR to become a state so he could be "the president PR became a state under" (because he didn't know he'd go down in history as a reactionary idol regardless) and Obama wanted PR to become a state to further solidify the GOP's disadvantage among other reasons, however I have faith that if Trump wins he will be the last Republican president. The demographics don't work for them any more and it's getting worse.

It hasn't passed the Senate just yet, fam. We got troopers like Bernie Sanders there who will at the least try to amend it to be more democratic.

Also your article fucking pisses me off, I'm going to have to invent some term like mainlandsplaining for when mainland politicians contribute their shitty opinions to our crisis. The only guy to do it right has been le current year man, and that was because he did his fucking research and consulted activists.
Gee, Libertard McWhitesheet, why do you think Puerto Rico is currently in a state where a $15 minimum wage would be disastrous? Because there's too much competition for the $7.25 jobs. Why is that? Because people aren't good enough for the better jobs. Why is that? Because the education sucks, our infrastructure sucks, everyone's leaving… so many reasons. Why is that? BECAUSE WE'RE BROKE. WHY IS THAT? NEOLIBERAL PROPOSALS LIKE THE KIND YOU'RE PROPOSING IN YOUR ARTICLE YOU FUCKING AMERICAN REEEEEE

Replying to is a waste of time anyway

That is a small consolation but do you really think it's going to stop there?

Looking at the lobbying groups that supported PROMESA, it's just a litany of fucking porky scumbags that need to be gulaged.

I hate that guy from the article though holy shit

>This SMUG GINGER SONUVABITCH is making IDIOTIC ECONOMIC PROPOSALS and basically PUERTO RICO is FUCKED

fucking god damn it