Be a socialist

With this argument you can as well argue that Nazi wasn't that bad since it did more for the workers than the liberal governments before, kek.

Because Ataturk and later his Kemalist followers have been total euroboos to the point they've modeled Turkey in an European fashion. They just wanted to be recognised by EU-senpai for being heavily secular, republican and such

Fine, but you see the tendencies to monopolize and centralize capitalist power? It's not just international capitalism. I mean, a capitalist would argue that this is actually NOT capitalism because it lacks competition and diversity.

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EU is shit.
We all know that.

But, to leave it entirely and let it desolve earlier that it will…. I don't see how ti serves anything.

Just like staying in, so and getting out doesn't fix anything.

Now, that said, the Eurozone is another story!

Actually, a lot of it also originated from embracing turkish nationalism, their heritage from Central Asia, and therefore break with Ottoman-style muslim univeralism.

Anyway, the Kemalists have been marginalized these days.

This is why not even turks care about getting into EU anymore and Turkey turned back to the Middle East

It does not fix anything, but I'd like to see a socialist revolution before I have to be spoonfed in a retirement home. I guess I just anticipate the possibility of a socialist revolution in a country that broke ties with the EU as far more realistic. Countries are clay, the EU is fixed and can not be changed, by the way it was designed.

They still like to meddle in European affairs though. And this whole refugee crisis turned over the whole situation with the EU actually being the suppliant now.

I live in Britain, no you mentioned "hand outs" are you suggesting we take these away in order to establish socialism?

And sure, it isn't democratic. The nature of the beast however is that stay or go European policy will still decide our fate. Better to have a shit say in that then no say at all. Unless you are one of these 'voting legitimises the system' people, in which case, voting out also legitimises this system.

In case you hadnt noticed the vast majority of people voting out aren't doing it for democracy, they just want to build wall and "have better trade deals" I.e lower tariffs and further erode workers rights in order to make things easier for large corporations.