Hbomerguy released a new video criticizing Sargon. Why aren't you anti-idpol socialists not doing the same...

Not from reddit. You think social liberals are leftists? You're talking about the pretty-face capitlist support apologists. Back to eating your burgers.

I disagree. Youtube is a great place for propaganda. People are seriously misinformed comrade. We need people going out there.

They're more active/popular on Reddit than they are YouTube. Regardless, they're circle jerking paper tigers. Annoying as fuck for sure, but certainly not even remotely as dangerous as people make them out to be. Pic very related.

Neoliberal ideology and propaganda on social media is far more pernicious and often more difficult to discern. Check out Vox's YouTube channel, for example. That shit is the real enemy.

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make one fam.
you should also make videos because you're my favorite poster, senpai

I think it's funny carl can't help but comment on any video where people talk about him.

He did that to Rebel too.

He's not a right winger, but he's certainly a reactionary, which is worse in and of itself.

Why would you bother taking on people who you know won't even entertain the idea? Cuz youtube shekels?

Nah fam, I made one video against Sargon about marxism, and he never ended up even making a comment response despite telling me he was going to watch it. He's not interested.

Sargon or Hbomb?

Sargon

Hbomber is an interesting guy, I haven't really got a full opinion of him rn. Seems a bit smug, but also makes hilarious content.

Smug and parody is the only means to talk to youtube reactionary's, they are a joke and should be seen as sutch.

thing is,
they usually end up wearing that shit like a badge of honor.
They see it as persecution for their beliefs.
I don't like to give them that benefit.

KEK

lurk more you stupid fucking faggot

I like Hbomberguy and this video does a great job of shitting all over Sargoon, but I'm always a little skeptical about Hbomberguy too. He seems to be wading into liberalism a little much. How do you guys feel about this?

Can anyone recommend me some good radleft YouTubers that don't get too caught up in idpol?

Because it's 100% pure luck whether people will actually listen to it.

Sargon of Autism, the rest of the "cult of rationality" and the alt-right blubberphones only became popular because of the Gamergate fiasco, which literally everyone is ashamed of now.

Agreed, I wanna like him but he´s too deep into idpol for me to stand him.

Sargon might be a twat but hbomber is a boring idpol feminist idiot.

I don't see the idpol, really. He defends the points feminists defend, without making some outlandish claims with it.

The one in five stat has been disproved roughly a trillion times. If this guy is a true Marxist hero, why is he further dragging the name of leftism through the mud by defending idpol?

Look at his channel, 70% of his videos is him going "UGH! Reactionaries! Am I right people?"

hbomberguy reminds me of fitz thistlewitz

except he doesn't. the whole video is just pointing out that none of the arguments sargon of akkad uses to "disprove" the 1 in 5 stat don't actually disprove it or say the things he says they say, or how he dismisses one "survey" that doesn't say what he wants it to say but uncritically accepts another survey because it seems to indicate what he wants it to, not whether or not the "1 in 5" number is itself factually correct or not

What the fuck is that other than defending the stat? If he wants to rock Sargon, why doesn't he do it on Marxism? You know, the thing he claim to be for?

do you have brain damage or something

sargon and others from the popular right/alt-right on youtube act like they're detached rationalists deriving hard facts from data, and hbomberguy made an episode about how the things they cite show that these surveys either don't say what sargon et al say they do or outright contradict them. it has nothing to do with whether or not 1/5 is "correct," it's just about what the surveys actually say

the whole point is that sargon of akkad is a pretentious hack that doesn't read anything he references

Nice try you commie jew fucks but you're not sticking this pop culture quadroon on us.

Why do you redditors keep coming here to spew this nonsense?

For a self-espoused "rational" he certainly lacks intellectual honesty or self-awareness of any kind.
I guess to "rational new athiest" types; all you need to do to become a "rational" is to use words like "facts", "logic" and "common sense".

That was fucking glorious. 10/10 would watch again.

Building blocks, first TAA (who's kinda turned sides, i dunno) , then Sargon, then Molyneux then Evalion.

We need to get some reasonable liberals to create room for the far-left, or else we'll stay with Xixexy and Unhure and Rebel's 100 views count for ever.

I've had more and more thoughts that Sargon is a fucking idiot, but he and the rest of "rational" youtube are doing a good thing overall by taking on idpol. I find TL;DR to be a much better debater than just about all of them, though, and also a much more mature person in general.

I want to like this Hbomerguy but his retarded "le reactionary!!" insults and stupid pro-idpol parading make him insufferable to me. Maybe once he mellows out I'll start caring for him.

I disagree. I find Sargon's method of criticism unhelpful. When he isn't actually making intellectually honest arguments, it isn't really doing much against idpol.
I might even go as far as to say that Sargon's politics is itself idpol.

What I think we need is someone who is intellectually honest and is good at breaking down arguments point-by-point; as well as socratic questioning.
For the record, I like Hbomb's political vidoes but more for entertainment. Rebel's videos are pretty good IMO.

At some point, if I can be bothered to read more I would like to contribute to leftist discussion on youtube, but I'd need a quiter place to record tbh.

Are you nuts? Sargon is a fucking cult leader that's convinced tens of thousands of people that feminism is the greatest evil faced by humanity since Nazism.

A3 B2 and B3 are alright though

Feminism is garbage.

Yes liberal feminism (read: only political relevant feminism right now) is a scourge.

From the study quoted in hbombermans video :

with a unique CSA Study ID#, and included a hyperlink to the CSA Study Web site. During each of the following 2 weeks, students who had not completed the survey were sent a follow-up e-mail encouraging them to participate. The third week, nonrespondents were mailed a hard-copy recruitment letter. Two weeks after the hard-copy letters were mailed, nonrespondents were sent a final recruitment e-mail. The overall response rates for survey completion for the undergraduate women sampled at the two universities were 42.2% and 42.8%, respectively. The response rates for males were lower.

hbomberguy hasn't hit Sargon as hard as he thinks. Anyone else see the problem in here?

Reactionary politics just get stronger the harder you bash them. Feminists are actually finding the woman hater boogeyman they're looking for through the Alt-Right.

Thunderf00t and Milo are alright?
You've got to me kidding me they are complete garbage.
Thunderf00t couldnt argue himself out of a wet paper bag and Milo just says what will get him followers.

got to be

B3 is the bananaman, Milo would be C2

He's probably the best of the lot. He's the only one who actually goes in depth.
Dumbass
She's cute
lol
His physics videos are neat and his Anita videos are fucking hilarious
Should stick more things up his ass instead of spending time on the internet
THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST
He's a stupid faggot, but his talks are a great source of SJW rage
My favourite porn star

TF makes dumb arguments occasionally but his takedowns of anti science bullshit is great, and he has a big feud with Molyneux (like AA). His anti SJW videos are pretty entertaining too. Pretty sure he's not a leftist in any way but you can't have everything, he's not a reactionary at least. He made an anti-Brexit video yesterday that's got like 75% dislikes and all the people who cross-watch him from people like Milo are butthurt that he's not towing the reactionary line.

The leave guys are all far right liars, despite the EU's flaws I think they're better for the UK than giving more power to westminster. I mean they want to scrap the human rights act and don't even hide the fact, how cartoonishly evil can you get. As for the argument about democracy, the tories got 33% of the vote and 100% of the power, at least the EU parliament has proportional representation.

fug. I went by the wrong axis.
Still not really a fan of anyone I know of who "critiques" feminism on youtube tbh.

I'm (reluctantly) pro-european so anti-brexit stuff is pretty good; especially with TFs userbase. I'd still personally call him a reactionary to be honest. Either that or a massive idiot OR he's just doing it for views.

There's plenty of better critique of sarkesian around and plenty of videos/channels critical of feminism. I think I can afford to pock and choose to be honest.

So I'm not alone on this!

Saying "X is worng" does not make you right.
If the only value is proving the idiot, idiot well… … no value there.

Naaah… It's only a false counterweight to divide and conquer.

You rage to easily. At this point you should have grown some immunity.

Also, Brexit or not, it won't make much diference for the people.

Quicker response than I expected. I agree that there's a lot of nasty pieces of work in the leave camp. I don't see the EU as anything other than a stalling measure against their desires, though. Take a look at economic conditions in Germany and France and you can see they're trailing what has happened in the UK ( the Hartz reforms and mini jobs shit in Germany are good examples). With the power to do great evil comes the power to do good, too.

So I'm probably going to vote for Brexit

For me, leaving the EU is banking on either accelerationism or Corbyn being elected PM and not being total shit.
Neither of which I find particularly reasonable. It would be nice if we could somehow escape the neoliberalism of the EU but voting out of EU would still leave us with the authoritarian neoliberism that is the conservative party and the shitshow that is the media.
I've yet to see a convincing argument to convince me that post-EU britain will be anything but neoliberal. Hence why I'll vote stay. YMMV.

I agree with your analysis but not your conclusions. You're trading short term advantage for long term strategy if you ask me.

His takedown of non-science is low-hanging fruit… Anyone can do it. He's extremely silly if you realize that creationists are already the laughing stock of reasonable people.

That Jimbo lives in my state is a constant source of secondhand embarrassment. He can't even form a proper argument against our regional Democrat neoliberals.

They aren't even remotely close to the biggest problems modern society faces. They distract with anger.

TF isn't that bad of a guy, he's just way too obsessed with Anita Sarkeesian and needs to get back to scientific skeptic videos.
He's also the only one of the "cult of rationality" that understands how stupid the Internet right wing is as well, which bananaman has seemingly given up on. He's blown Molly the fuck out.

Exactly this. I'm hoping more anti-ID pil socialists realize that just because Sargon criticizes Id politics doesn't mean he doesn't engage in his own. Hes deeply reactionary in some aspects and he's also extremely inept at philosophy and science and not really someone we need on "our" side…

TL;DR is overtly a British Tory.

Fortunately he's not even interested. He only calls himself "leftwing" because he's a fat burger that thinks politics = Democrats and Republicans

He calls himself a monarchist and AFAIK is completely unaware of what anarchism or libertarian socialism is – just like the rest of the alt-right crowd on YouTube.

*minarchist

It's so silly an ideology that even auto-correct doesn't recognize it.

I don't particularly mind in his case.

special snowflake lolbert.

I just don't think there's any particular indication that brexit might lead to anything good long term.
Not that I think staying will necessarily lead to long-term good but there isnt enough to make me confident that brexit would be a good call. Maybe my long-term analysis is limited, it probably is but I think either result could end up being good or bad in the long term in probably equal measures. It's all too chaotic for me to make a clear call either way for long-term.
In the short term, stay protects things that I value (or value more than the tory alternative) , such as the EUs human rights laws which the brexit faction of the tories have said they would like to replace and the free movement between members of EU countries. Being a student at a uni with a decent non-british european population makes me value this exchange of culture that I think is vital.
I'm open minded to brexit as a long term strategy but as I've said, I remain unconvinced.

I remember a video i think he did in response to Libertarian Socialist Rants, where he unironically calls LSR an authoritarian Marxist. These are the intellectual heavyweights of YouTube reactionaries.

Reddit's boogeyman word for anyone you don't like, rather than actualy Holla Forums types.

He pushes right-wing social security propaganda. That's being used as excuses for the state to kill people in the UK right now. I was not best pleased to hear him tack that stuff onto the end of one of his videos.

The Tories will not be in power forever. Vote whatever you think is best, but remember that the EU will have the same ability to bind the hands of a left wing government as much as a right wing one. A future UK government can choose to ignore any and all Tory edicts, if it chooses. It cannot ignore the edicts of the EU, if we remain.

If you still think that the EU is a net benefit to us, then vote remain. If not, vote exit.

Sorry m8. It's what Milo and others at the Breitbart crowd call themselves and it's handy to use as an umbrella term for people with similar views.

Do the people in the image here strike you as a monolithic block, politically?

Not him but….yeah. They might feel like they're politically diverse but their actual expressed views are generally in line with right wing populism.

Shoe, TF and bananaman are "right wing".
More like "central/lacking ideology".

I have a funny feeling that the "actual expressed views" you're referring to would be on a singular topic that you disagree with them all about. Those people cut through a fairly broad spectrum of mainstream political opinion. Plus there's Molyneux.

I think you will find that they are pretty full of ideology.

what leftist youtubers do you guys recommend?

Who went full alt-right recently as well. Threw away all of his libertarian views out of the window.

Yes, Molyneux is a nutter. I'd not argue with slinging that label at him.

I'd say the same will happen to Thunderf00t, and ultimately Sh0e as well. Thunderf00t's already facing heavy shit because of his opinionated stance on Brexit (remain), which gives him a ton of pressure to tow the reactionary line (and as we've seen before with Sargon and Molyneux, pushed them towards the alt-right stupidity at risk of considered a "traitor" or "beta SJW cuck" or whatever and losing livelihood). Sh0e already swims in the same sea as the GG crowd which is more and more infested with alt-right autism, hence will probably be shit as well ultimately.

I think this is about as productive as explaining the subtle nuances in different strings of anarcho-capitalism. Who really cares? The point is that I'm referring to a select group of individuals who either refer themselves as the alt-right, believe in the similar conservative populist message, or generally have the same audience. Let's not forget your original objection was that the term is used on Reddit a lot which is a no-no apparently. I could've called them the man-o-sphere, something used a lot more frequently on YouTube from what I've seen, but I actually hate that term because it's corny as hell.

What is their Ideology?

Xexizy
Wisecrack
This guy youtube.com/user/freedomwv

Sargy and Moly were already rightwing. No big change there.
If TF goes fullAlt-right he's gonna lose too, so not sure.
Shoe doesn't have ideology. And I don't think she ever will.

Thunderf00t will do what he wants, regardless of the vocal moaning in his comments. How Sh0e is unpredictable based on her youtube output.

That's because you want to lump anyone who disagrees with you an a certain, singular issue into the category: "nazi", right?

Reddit uses "alt-right" to mean "person who does not agree with reddit liberal clique". Seen anyone else doing this sort of thing?

I wonder what certain, singular issue you could possibly disagree with them all about.

bananaman is a gommie actually
someone post the webm plz

This is the only pro-feminism video I've seen without a shit ton of dislikes

Liberals =/= Gommies. Not even anarkids. They could become. They are not to be shot straight after the revolution. But they are not.

You are right. But it's not because i want to poison the well or insult them so as to invalidate their opinion. Pragmatically, it's more convenient for me to say alt-right, than individually list the dozen or so people and their hundreds of thousands of subscribers individually.

And I'm not going to hide its I do oppose their shallow anti-feminism, anti-Muslism, pro-capitalist, pseudo-intellectual stances along with a number of other things. I admit it openly. I also watch a lot of liberals on YouTube.

And once more. I want to make it absolutely clear that the alt-right branding is theirs. It's not a term that Reddit invented. Milo, the Breitbart crowd, right libertarians and paleoconservatives actually do call themselves that. All I'm doing is extending the term to people with similar audiences and similar beliefs.

And "mainstream political opinion" is a bread-and-circus farce of meaningless arguments.

A sterling example of a baffled dictator. Assuming he isn't as absolutely fucking stupid as he leads on.

That's exactly your motivation.

anti-Muslism, pro-capitalist,
All of which are pejorative terms that could equally apply to everyone from a fascist to a communist and everyone in between.

How dare those plebs have opinions of their own, hey?

You're extending it to anyone who does not agree with you.

The masses tend to express concern about maintaining their access to food and hence their existence. Funny that.

I really think you're ignoring the part where alt-right is not a insult. There are people that refer to themselves as just that.

AFAIK, not a great deal of leftists call themselves regressive.

The government isn't stupid enough to cut off welfare.

If this were true, I'd be calling you one right now.Or any number of groups of people I disagree with; which I currently don't. Even people who I would call traditionally right wing.

At this point, you've apparently just decided to oppose everything I wrote out of principle. Clearly this was what I had an issue with. Pseudo-intellectualism clearly just means "thinking for yourself". You've obviously nailed it.

Did I deny that there were people who described themselves as that?

Google David Clapson.

I've been waiting for you to start.

Those people already have ideological cubbyholes they can safely be stuffed into.

You seem to have missed that I'm disparaging the fact you're hugely arrogant and seem to think we should all appoint you fuhrer.

I was confused as to why you decided to throw this weird insult at me and then I realized that you still think that "pseudo-intellectualism" means "people thinking for themselves".

I've already explained why I refered to them in that specific way. How it doesn't actually matter as long as you know what group of people I'm talking about – a collection of youtubers of varying political backgrounds that I can't name because it would upset you. And I've also explained that it's not borne out of nowhere as it is an actual term that people with varying political ideologies already use to describe themselves and is not meant as an ad-hominem or an attempt to poison the well no matter how many times you assume that's what I'm doing.

I mean as a whole, ideologically, not as a part of some whimsical populist appeal.

boring.

yeah fuck that

No, I think that using "pseudo-intellectualism" means that you think you're better than the masses for being able to recite a few chapters of some books and some standard rhetorical techniques.

Yes, you have these idpol meme issues that are popular on reddit and you want to slander everyone who doesn't agree 100% with you as a nazi.

If I referred to you in all discussions with a synonym for "nazi", that's not an attempt to poison the well against you?

Government documents openly discuss the "transition to a low tax, low benefit society". This isn't a secret.

If TJ were to actually think about where the "evil corporations and greedy bankers" get their power from he'd probably turn commie pretty quick, that's true for most Berniebros really. what the people need right now is theory.

what's wrong with sargon

don't tell me you idiots actually support modern feminist horseshit

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i never said anything about cultural marxism

i said feminism is retarded

Thinking feminism is retarded is fine.

It's everything else that comes out of his mouth that's the problem.

oh you were impersonating sargon when you were mentioning cultural marxism

sorry i haven't slept in like 40 hours wew bois

It's ok. I slept 3 hours yesterday….

But yes. It's when he goes fullMcCarthy that he becomes a problem.

don't recommend wisecrack
people on leftypol literally consider ANY mention of feminism in a positive light as idpol drivel and wisecrack did a video on Judith Butler
you'll get get shit on by the reactionary manbabies among our ranks

shoe is pretty fucking apolitical and just seems to go with her group of friends it's sad because she's so cute and nice but hangs out with retards
At least Armoured Skeptic isn't as fucking cancerous as people like sargon

Reminder that Sargon has a shred of good in him: youtube.com/watch?v=VXQ8Wdhucdw

I'm not sure if he's completely lost it yet considering he really hates the tories and triggered a bunch of Holla Forumsacks with this: youtube.com/watch?v=Cp0uq-QafYQ

Anyone who uses Cultural Marxism unironically isn't worth defending.
The fact that he's SocDem trash (economically illiterate tbh) doesn't justify his constant thrashing of humanities and socially aware people.
We're talking about the guy who wants to censor "Social Justice courses" for fucks sake.

Just when you thought Sargon was bad.

Thinking Ape…

youtube.com/channel/UCo1qRcO1OehgkOD_fHsu_uQ/videos

He hasn't "completely lost it" per se, as much as there is simply a limit to how low a person will sink. Holla Forums is a low much lower than the usual low.

Even actual fascists from the early 20th century would view them as a bunch of obese fakers that lack the balls to share their views in real life.

He's the one person whose voice I find more grating than Sargon's.

Ahhhh finally that dickhead gets a dressing down

Which is what makes it all the more infuriating.
He should know better.
At this point, I think he's intellectually dishonest because a number of people have broken down concepts from the left for him, but he simply blows them off and says "Nah m8, this is what you all believe."

That's good.
I am too.
He's into some liberal identity politics, which kind of worries me.

It's good to be skeptical, but I can see a lot of potential. He genuinely means well and has the emotional maturity to challenge his own beliefs; his feminist bent seems more like a reaction to the autismal Internet obsession with feminazis than an ideological commitment.

yea! he should become a channel that focuses on class consiousness and just goes

maybe he'll drop to

no, it's just your standard leftypol autist

all the more reason to mention it and combat the cancer

back to /r socialism with you

This video was even worse that Sargon's fare, tbh. If you read the crime survey, there's a quiet mention that effectively supports Sargon's claim of feminists looking to define experiences that were not rape as such.

hello cancer

Yep. It's official.

Plebbit is leaking.

Why even bother? You can't reason with a board that thinks not defending anti-communist youtubers makes you a redditor.

Wut?

…

Too much plebbit lately.. it's true..

Where did hbomberman attack Sargon's anti-communism?

Read the whole thread. You'll find more than one positive mention of clowns like Sargon, Thunderf00t, and even Milo. Just being against the essjaydubyew menace is enough for these people, the fact that the personalities they defend associate that crowd with us seems not to bother them.

Noone here agrees with Sargon. Noone here likes Milo.
>>>/Plebbit/

Also, TF is your average liberal.

Alright where did all these leddit assholes come from? It seems we have a lot of these morons lately. Is someone shilling on r/socialism again?

Yeah,lets continue with idpol. It has been such a smashing success worldwide right? Lets continue making videos where we circle-jerk how great we and laugh at those reactionaries! Thats how we win!

Idpol isn´t some side thing for him, at least 70% of his videos is him going "UGH! Reactionaries! Am Right?! Why cant they love feminism like I do?!"

Surely this will defeat capitalism once and for all!

there is absolutely nothing wrong with socialist feminism, my property

why would you take a screenshot of that third pic instead of y'know, posting it?