Do you think older people become more susceptible to conservatism out of resentment for younger generations?
I mean, if you spent your entire life working shit hours for little money, fulfiling social expectations that made you absolutely miserable and obeying politicians, bankers and bosses, would you really be happy if a new generation of young, good-looking people would just show up and demand and end to all the bullshit you had to deal with before?
We have a "I ate shit, now you eat it!" mentality that often makes progress difficult.
It's also about apathy and despising any kind of change. Conservatives also believe that there is some kind of aged wisdom behind their ideology–that preserving old social orders is good in itself.
Of course conservatives are necessary to the political process just as liberals and the far-left/far-right are. They all complement each other very nicely. Political philosophy is never dull.
There is no such thing as converatism. The liberalism of yesterday is todays conservatism.
Not exactly, but all in all centre and moderates are cancer. It's not like they have any principled beliefs either.
Henry Evans
This
conservatism actually doesn't exist. It's completely empty ideologically. Whenever I see neo-traditionalist on the net arguing about how we should revive Burke, whigism or the monarchy I laugh at people so incredibly out of touch with reality. As if these people share anything with Burke and the conservatism they defend is the same, and not a bunch of spooks about what an ideal society existed 100 years ago, before global capitalism entered their shitty countries.
Brandon Cooper
No. As you get older, you are compelled to become increasingly dependant on the perpetuation of the existing system for the survival of both yourself and your kin. It's easy to be a radical when it's just yourself to care for and you're in fine health. Add a partner and children, significant ageing or health problems then disruptions to the system suddenly seem far more dangerous.
Andrew Campbell
I like you even though I am an ancap, not a lefty anarchist. People get pretty stupid about muh monarchy, etc, they say that sort of stuff as if any kind of political philosophy or statements are connected with that
Bentley Martin
Yes, I really don't care for the term "conservative" much either. It's lost any real use at this point. Today the average person's political standing can only be described as apathetic, radically nationalist, or hyper-religious.
Wyatt White
What about libertarians, user?
You know we only SEEM to be kinda nationalistic at this point, because of current events.
Owen Cruz
I wouldn't say it's resentment as it is maturity. You come to realize that the left idealizes in the same way that a child does. Utopia is easy to imagine when you're younger, but as you grow older you realize it's that kind of blind idealism that leads to dystopia.
Jace Fisher
replace the haircut to a buzzcut and you have your average neonazi skinhead :^)
Michael Russell
Yes OP I think you're spot on.
Conservatism just means a desire to maintain the existing status quo. What that status quo is, in fact, changes throughout history. You know what that means, though? It means the conservatives never win, in the end. Change happens.
Camden Johnson
Speaking for myself, I don't like to see people suffer, and that includes the younger generation. I don't want them to suffer through the same bullshit we've have been going through.
It's not utopianism or idealism. It's called wanting to make the world a better place. It can't be done overnight. Accepting the status quo and not doing anything will not achieve that. If you support leftism simply for self-serving reasons, then you really don't get what this is all about.
Angel Martin
Most nationalists actually have jobs and are clean cut. Many have jobs in high-up positions.
Jacob Rivera
So are libertarians, but you decided to be a bitch and talk shit about us.
And I kinda am nationalistic as well, or at least for the left and the mainstream, since the status quo is so crazy right now.
Ryan Gray
Sounds like idealism bud.
That's why no one will ever take you seriously. Self-interest is why capitalism puts communism to shame. You can't ignore a man's desire for self-preservation, that's asking for everything and giving him nothing in return. Nationalism appeals to people with actual families and people who desire to see their communities in harmony. Your pseudo-altruism utopia is unappealing to people who can't ignore reality. That said, reality shouldn't entail an endorsement of hedonistic materialism, man needs to be an enemy of convenience and contentment, an enemy to his own happiness at times. You don't even understand what romance really is about, do you?
Jackson Perez
God forbid someone criticize the left!
John Ward
Okay this one now actually hurts. I am not a lefty. I am only a visitor here.
Chase White
Nationalism is a cop-out and a distraction from the real problems. You know who else is nationalistic? North Koreans. They have nationalism and ethnic purity, all the things that nazis strive for, yet they're starving to death.
Jacob Robinson
Yes, you are completly right. They are authoritarian to the max.
Authoritarianism is naturally closely intertwined with nationalism.
Jason Gray
lol, what a great example to pick, ignore all the other nations and pick the worst one, the one that claims to be communist too.
Nationalism is legitimate expression of a single culture as differentiated from others.
Ryan Murphy
Individualism is legitimate expression of a single indivudial as differentiated from others.
Parker Moore
Libertarianism would work if you were dealing with a congruent population that actually gets along. The truth is that libertarian models are idealistic and have quite a lot of prerequisites that don't exist in most places. Authoritarianism is realistic. Tell me what the difference between freedom and authority is anyway.
Camden Butler
Sure, it can be. Sometimes it's just spite and confusion.
Dylan Baker
Very simply?
Alternatives.
I can never ever opt out of the tax and regulations program from the Eu and from my national country.
All the arguments about libertarians and private roads? Well, you guys would put us in prison if we tried. Any arguments against communist communes? At best they have to do that illegaly and squat a building, but once you involve labor, they are forced to include all the regulations and taxes from the nation they live under.
I would be very interested to actually see some alternative models to goverments and organization. It doesn't even have to be ancap.
feeld weird arguing with you also in another thread
You mean like how we I am an ancap and you a nazi? :^)
Jeremiah Robinson
They don't claim to be communist. Not anymore, at least. They renounced communism in the 1990s.
It's not idealism, it's an imperative action for the fate of humanity to reduce hyper-competition and hostilities in whatever way possible. If you think the current nuclear weapons are destructive, wait till they come out with nanotechnology which will make the hydrogen bomb look like the roman catapult.
Self-interest becomes social interest. Cooperation is beneficial to everyone, whereas hyper-competition is beneficial to no one in the long term.
Nationalism appeals to desperate people who are looking a solution but do not fully comprehend the system they are living in and the macrosociology that affects each and every person. The problem with nationalism is it's a non-solution. You will not see harmony, but war and destruction.
Once again, there is no such thing as a utopia. Coming up with technical and social solutions to improve people's lives and relation to one another is not utopianistic.
Accepting the status quo as "reality" is a cop-out. The world's greatest scientists, inventors and thinkers did not confine themselves into what mainstream and establishment accepted as "reality." The truth is that humanity is nowhere near close to understanding what "reality" truly is, as we only have some awfully rudimentary ways of measuring reality through our current understanding of science.
Wrong. There's nothing wrong with convenience through technical means. Just the fact that the keyboard you are typing on to send these messages through a global telecommunications network so I can see it appear on my liquid-crystal display with a negligibly small transmission delay is a hallmark of human progress to provide convenience through technical means.
On a side note, it is already technically possible to end world hunger several times over, but impossible due to restrictions of the global financial system.
The question is subjective, but romance is the exoticism and wonder of life and the universe.
Owen Jackson
Worst thing about Holla Forums is how people are always eager to take a thread off its rails just to articulate their lvl 1 political insights
Thomas Lee
Can't believe it took 8 posts for this to be said.
The young are so keen on lefty shit solely because of inexperience. I'm sure there are a few 16 year olds on this board who could school me in 'theory' but have absolutely zero experience of real life.
When OP says young he presumably means young lefty kids. Like this.
These people have absolutely zero people skills and cannot cope with the real world when people may disagree with you. This is why they're not in charge OP. And when you have zero power it is much easier to pay lip service to terrible ideas as you don't have the means to implement them.
Xavier Lee
Implying triggered tumblrinas represent the "left."
pol pls
Grayson Martinez
They do. It's a child's perspective on politics. You are the man-child who refuses to grow up, which is some sense even more repulsive.
Angel Cruz
same can be said for the 15 year old trump kiddies
no real life experience, only followed him because of memes and edginess. when countered with a semi-constructed argument against is policies all they can yell is "cuck"
Leo Jackson
That must be why we're both on this website, then.
Hudson Parker
Maybe so but among under 25s Trump was ranking behind Clinton and Sanders. So what's your point?
Anyway, OP's claim, that the young are correct on all things political and economic should be patently false. They're idealists. Maybe you are too.
Lincoln Cruz
Nothing wrong with political idealism and utopianism. Reactionaries are also idealists, but the difference is that they are idealizing the past and think everything was fantastic in the past, when actually there was far more moral depravity and degeneracy than now. Considering that 99 % of the population were poor, illiterate dumbfucks. Thing is that we didn't have internet yet in the past, so that we couldn't record every single occurence of human stupidity as we do now. We only remember the worst atrocities, wars, holocaust etc. on the one side and the writings, great works of arts etc. of the few elites on the other sides.
Camden Lewis
No, it's because of the honesty, which is antithetical to leftism.
Oliver Mitchell
Tbqh, idc lmao
Adrian Robinson
Idc if you don't care.
Nolan Morgan
Stop replying then
Angel Kelly
no
James Sanders
You first.
Benjamin Kelly
HOLY SHIT HE'S RIGHT OP BTFO CONSERVATIVES BTFO LEFTISM WINS SHOW THIS SHIT TO YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY
What a profound insight you have.
Daniel Brooks
I have many old friends who are leftist. You get less radical yes but not conservative.
