Secular Monasticism: A Future Social Paradigm?

I recall reading that at the trend's peak era in the Middle Ages, one out of every three males in Europe was a monk or a low-level cleric. I've heard similar figures for Buddhist monks in different parts of Asia.

Strip away the entire dimension of religiosity from the monastic experience and consider this state of affairs as a social construct for a moment. We are told life was very painful and survival difficult in the medieval period, and I have no reason to doubt this. But rather than a perpetual struggle of "all hands on deck," you have up to 30 percent of males locked away in stone holes where they did little to no work directly related to survival (outside a little farming which was really more like gardening).

Instead of contributing their labor to the community doing economically "useful" work like blacksmithing, metalwork, hard-labor 15-hour-a-day farming, shoe-cobbling, fishing and hunting, etc….they sat there and read, or copied illuminated books. At certain times of the day they performed elaborate rituals inside the monetary that most of the public would not see. They spent a good deal of time just sitting in prayer or contemplation.

Whether or not you think this work has theological value is a moot point. The point is it had little to no real ECONOMIC value. Judging from contemporary writing, too, Monks enjoyed a largely pathetic reputation, a few holy-man exceptions aside. In medieval literature they are portrayed as "losers" and drunkards, social misfits, weirdos – in other words, beta males.

The more I look at history, Asian and European, the more a common pattern emerges: there is always a massive surplus of males. Generally sexless males. For several thousand years, the standard way of dealing with them was either burying them in monasteries with harmless aspie busywork like gold-leafing scrolls. When we entered the "age of discovery," many were just sent to "the colonies" to languish in the heat. Again, initial conquistadors and crusaders aside, most of these "colonial officers" are given a distinctly beta-ish cast in the literature of the day (Read Orwell's "Burmese Days" for example – dozens of men with no real life plans just laying around in the torpid heat fanning themselves, playing checkers…the 1800s equivalent of the vidya-and-Cheetohs couch potato).

Finally by the 20th century, a new way was found to deal with these excess beta "useless eaters:" Slaughter them by the the tens of millions in history's bloodiest battles. In the past, these beta types couldn't really be useful as soldiers, who had to be physically strong to carry armor, heavy weaponry, walk for days at a time, and so on. But by WWI the killing was so mechanized that even more physically slight men could handle long guns, fly planes, or man ships.

So, if you are willing to roll with me on this theory a bit, we might wonder why society seems to habitually produce so many of these sexless, beta-type males. And I propose the time is ripe for "secular monasteries", where the focus is not religious but rather technological.

Picture vast, windowless skyscrapers filled with millions of NEETs in little cubicles. They can play vidya, watch porn, even smoke weed or ingest yet-uninvented pills for pleasure or sedation. All the Doritos and Mountain Dew you could wish for, perfectly free. VR goggles. Like a medieval monetary, it wold serve the goal of simply removing these sexless misfits and since its all virtual, it would probably be very cheap. Something very close to this is already a reality in much of Asia. What does Holla Forums think?

The ideas you're describing aren't particularly new or radical, it's a long established theory in evolutionary biology that males are expendable. Men can always reproduce at any time, whereas women can get pregnant once a year.

If a population loses all but one of its males, then it will be able to recover in numbers fairly quickly. There'll be a genetic bottleneck, but they'll recover given time. If the reverse happens and a population loses all but one of its females…well, that population is more or less doomed.

We're expendable disposable people. Something like only 30% of all men who ever lived managed to reproduce. That figure is closer to 90%+ for women.

Welcome to the reality that you really are worthless. Ain't that a bitch?

Those monks only transcribed the majority of the western canon… which was vital for science, philosophy, medicine, etc. So maybe that's what the betas should do! Archive everything political. Make the great transcribed libraries of future ideology in their image.

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Actually, medieval monks were essential for preserving books since fall of rome, there was no printing press.

To be a Knight Templar or Knight Hospitaller, you had to be a Monk beforehand.

The one who convinced Pope Urban II to launch a Crusade was an Hermit Monk.

Basically, do not underestimate those guys.

so, one of us just needs to redpill the pope and it's all good?

or promise to make anime real, and lead a revolution against 3dpg matriarchy

who would pay for this shit though?
i figured war was for either resources, ideology or jews killing off the host nation's men so they can step in

My point exactly. We need the autist monastic class so we can dominate the future's ideology through their autistic and brilliant retention of information esp. The truth.

Maybe. But subtle redpilling. Peter the Hermit convinced Pope Urban II to launch the Crusades. An Hermit.


Agreed

Heh and I've been expending all that effort all these years trying to argue for a paradigm in which we meme magicians can bone, prostitutes and weird girls alike, under the gaze of meme-loving deities.

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Monastics in Late Antique and Early Medieval Christianity were actually highly respected. Monks were seen as exceedingly holy and Abbots frequently played important roles as leaders in the broader Church Hierarchy and secular community. Knights frequently bequeathed large sums of wealth to Monastic societies to gain the favor of God. Monastic societies like the Clunaic Order were responsible for some of the most foundational artistic and architectural developments of western civilization. Monks also engaged in various economically productive crafts including but not limited to farming.

This is true, but while some men are "expendable" and often die in war or what have you, some other men also devote their lives to something beyond child rearing, usually art (war/struggle and its outcome can also be art) or science or what have you – some area that potentially has a greater effect than children tend do. That in turn becomes their legacy and the major driving force of mankind.

Europeans understood this well at one point.


That's from the Havamal who also understood the Valkyrie archetype. A man who sees his Beloved waifu on the tip of your blade does not fear death nor does he fear changing this world into a more beautiful one (change is the death of one world and the birth of another).

The person who thinks that every man must have a family of his own doesn't understand sacrifice or human evolution well enough. Some of the greatest figures in history, prime examples of the exemplary man, did not have children. They devoted themselves fully to an idea (or an ideal), whether through war or through Sophia, and they often changed the world because of it.

As men we are not very worthless are we? But of course this is not for every man. In fact only a small subset of a population can live this kind of life or is most comfortable with that kind of life, but in a world of 7 billion where about 8% are white, that's still many thousands. Each man has his own battle and struggle in life and so egalitarianism cannot be applied to every individual; we cannot all fit in the same box and so us "angry white single men" or whatever are in fact the most dangerous people in society. Why? Because we have a vision… we remember what a beautiful world looks like and this isn't it.

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I would buy an artificial womb in a heartbeat.
preserving the white race absolutely risk free, not having to worry about divorce or anything like that
especially if it came inside some kind of qt aryan robit

This is a very bold generalization. It really varies. For example I come from an Orthodox background and i can say that the manual labor is important part in Orthodox monasticism just as the prayer and contemplation part, if not more. Can't say for Catholic monasticism but i imagine there's always shit to do there as well. Don't forget that most monasteries usually own a good chunk of land around. It would be madness not to cultivate this land and put it to good use, and that requires hard manual work. The point of monasteries is to be as self-sustaining as possible.

I agree that some monasteries in medieval ages simply served as places where nobility would drop off their "undesirable" members like homosexuals, younger sons with no inheritance or even lunatics, but again not all of them were like that. Many were filled with bright, educated people who worked diligently to preserve what was left of antiquity's wisdom.

The "secular monasticism" is simply young people being unable to find their place and purpose in a world becoming more complicated, unrewarding and competitive. Some of them can't take the heat and decide to back away into their little comfort zones. This will probably never reach massive amounts but it is nonetheless a good sign that something is genuinely wrong with modern society.

i didn't need those feels

I think death would be a favourable alternative to the hell you just described.

He basically described the beehive Communist society.

I'm not familiar with that. I am intrigued. Do go on.

Y'see part of why we and other right wing movements are growing so rapidly is we offer the NEET a chance to do something more. To do something with meaning. Without meaning life itself becomes a worthless tired charade.

You guys need to remember that some percentage of girls are almost as weird as we are. Some of them are even decent looking, too. Sure, we all worry about Mme. Gold-Digger and Legbeard the Buttpirate. But I guarantee you right now, right this minute, there's an average looking girl crying into a teddy bear because no one has texted her in two weeks. Hundreds of them!

Monks also served as the huge sources of knowledge and many used to help farmers tend their fields on church lands. Don't forget that hereditary gene mechanism was invented by a monk testing flower colors and bean seed looks. They had all the economic value because they were scientists, managers, inventors and bookkeepers of the day. Oh and they brewed beer and wine. Monks also played a huge role in society, because they were seen not only as religious authority, but also administrative one. Monks were community leaders.

What is more important than preservation of knowledge for the future? I guess just about one thing is equal to it and that is fighting for the future.

Simply look at Brutalist architecture as well (like "commie boxes): it's devoid of life (and nature) and each dwelling is basically a shoe box.

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Yes meaning is important especially to people that cannot be content with "the normal life." I certainly can't.

Communism is the ultimate consumerism, where the ideal is people with the interchangeability and packaging of retail products.

One reason the jews ended up dominating western civilization was because of who we sent to be priests/monks.

We would send our brightest and most intelligent sons to the church, never to marry and procreate. Meanwhile, the jews would marry the son of their most accomplished and highly esteemed rabbi to the daughter of their wealthiest merchant. Over the course of hundreds of years, our cognitive elite basically degenerated while the jewish cognitive elite became hyper intelligent super kike merchants.

Communism and capitalism are both shit-tier ideologies because they both revolve around consumerism and materialism.

Natsoc speaks to the soul and looks for a higher purpose than the material.

This.
monasteries were at the very least self sufficient (except the ones intended to be used to remove noble's younger sons from the lines of succession) and often produced goods to sell as well.

If you read Pillars of the Earth you'll get a fairly good idea about what they were like. Also it's a good book in general. It's a character driven historical fiction about the construction of a cathedral from start to finish.

I always see that diagram when people talk about Marx's "dialectics"
What the fuck is it trying to show? Second, why the fuck are communist ideas so full of made-up words and concepts that are not just hard to understand entirely but just sound unnatural? I mean "mein kampf" was easy to read but any of that communist shit just makes my head feel jumbled and blocked

I've heard a lot of hubbub about the alleged brilliance of the Jews, but most of the studies about it are plagued with hilariously small sample sizes.

I'm not saying it serves their interests to let people think they're all geniuses and therefore inherently better, but I'm also not not saying it.

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I sometimes daydream about a comfy life in a monastic environment. A combination of some manual labor, spiritual fulfillment, belonging to a community of likeminded individuals, and doing scholarly work.

But I don't think such things exist.

One should die with dignity when it is no longer possible to live a dignified life – Nietzsche

Yeah, a scary truth right there. One of the many crimes of Christianity against the white race.

When you put it that way, it seems like an even greater waste of resources in modern times. Do you think the answer to many current ills of society is to implement some kind of "neo-monasticism?" We would just need to create a rewarding environment and some kind of incentive to get NEETs dedicated to doing research towards whatever. Technology already covers a lot of important labor necessary to live, and there are enough currently employed normies to cover more technical things.

No matter how you cut it though, current social and economic rules can't properly address fixing the NEET problem, let alone in this way. Even with internet influence getting stronger, it feels like concrete results that ease our ills hasn't been made in any significant way. Maybe with the current wave of nationalism the spiritual search will become easier? And with that spirit, populations may become more accepting of things like guaranteed work/research for men who left because (((society))) ditched them in favor of women and minority pandering because of profits. Alternatively, a violent beta uprising could happen just to cleanse the current population numbers and for control of the order after said war, but I'm not sure how backed up the idea is by history. I will say it's on the table as an option. If there are enough betas to win the numbers game and they're promised sex and the ability to shape the world in their image, does anyone think they'll actually sit back and not take the chance?

Man's value continues to drop, so what then does his role become? Hopefully we can find value in some sense, because it's already very difficult now. Can you imagine singularity or borderline human robots in the current year? Future generations are going to have to deal with these "gifts," and at the very least I want them to not have our current meta as the background for the game they have to play.

I want to promise her no more tears, but I don't know if I can keep my word. Be patient, I'll find you when it's time.

It's men who worry about having kids are the most likely to not have them. Just go out and fuck around. You'll get kids eventually.

yfw

So they really were the Holla Forums of their time.

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Because fascism and national socialism are the return to nature, and communism is the direct subversion of nature.
Just look at shit like Stalin's "Transformation of Nature" or Mao's "4 Pests"

I know, you are trying to make sense of something that makes no sense, something that pulls ideas out of nowhere as an attempt to build a bridge towards its intended goal, that's why it's so unnatural. The bridge is dead bodies, a bridge that is burned as it is made, and so it will never work except without turning humanity into drones like the Borg. That is, essentially, what they want. It's the epitome of unnatural… one wonders how the jewish organism – supposedly being something that came from nature as any other man – could have fathomed this ideology that has in fact existed for thousands of years but in different ways. I personally don't consider them human at all but something artificial (demiurgic).

You need to read more about economics. Provided people have the resources, they'll marry and make families. Basic shit man.

read hegel

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Very wrong. If that was true then why does western europe, one of the richest places on the planet have a negative birth rate and africa and other shitholes where starving to death is actually possible, have high birth rates? It's about the culture not the money. And in modern western culture it is considered shameful for a girl to have children at a young age like nature intended, society encourages them to first finish collage, get a job, get a house and then consider maybe having children if it doesn't mess with her carere. In my country there was this ad for cattle food, it had a poster with a young blonde girl on it and the text said "beautiful, young, and ready to have children". I guess the message was, go to a village, start a farm, start a family, we have a birth rate problem and the company probably though they could help out like this since the goverment isn't doing shit. It got banned for SEXISM, because telling girls that they should have kids is bad. That's the fucking culture we live in.

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I saw something strange with arachnids the other day.

Most species eat the male during sex. But one species eats the female somehow and still manages to reproduce.

It's behavior is also different to other spiders, it has a tendency to explore

Men have vision in all species clearly… but why? It's odd.

It's true as a rule of thumb, but not under culture and society controlled by kikes. As for niggers, they don't starve user. It's a myth. They have shitloads of food. USA and Europe provide them with so much food they breed unchecked.

Masturbating in a robe within solitary confinement was a pastime for NEETS of every culture.

If someone told me that they're unemployed, not self-supported, mostly home and but reading valuable scriptures, I'll be in serious doubt they're spending all that time studying and not masturbating furiously.

Why do you give me a marxist kinda vibe?
They were preserving knowledge, guiding people and doing generally usefull stuff like plant study in monasteries (guess what Mendel was?) or doing science. At no point was it with no value.

As the end result, you are just giving us a materialistic option. You never give a thought about personal growth and meditation with no material disturbances in secluded places. And you see it as a waste of time.
You see people as cogs that need their material input to be happy.
You are a stinking marxist and I have a nice little sage for you.


I'd say that it had the effect of rising the general cognitive ability of population. Yeah, jews had their eugenic Kwisatz Haderach programmes but it resulted in the rest of the population getting good gene starved. The the elite got their own set of problems since they bred themselves into mental illness, much like European monarchs. Which is bitting them in the ass big time since jews are the most likely to be gay or have some other mental deficiency. Fucking karma.
The European model was a lot more natural than jewish. And look where it got us. Fucking space.


Because you have to have a jewish sociopathic mindset to understand it. Marx was a sabbatean jew, which means judaism with psycho steroids.

For us, Europeans it's unnatural since we are very individualistic, but for semites with a superiority complex like the jews this is like mana from the heaven.
Their red cult/ideology creates drones with one culture, one language, one ugly(probably beautiful in their eyes) appearance.
The point of marxism is getting sabbateans into power. Everything else(workers, womens, gays rights) is just a trick for the useful idiots to put them in power. Just as they did in Russia.

And when they come to power, the reign of terror begins. Pic related, the wedge side of the hammer destroying the globe.

OP is an idiot who does not understand neither history nor biology; probably a PUAfag.

Lurk more and unfuck your brain before poasting.

Just fucking end me already.

That's incorrect. Read the Carmina Burana.
Many were also closeted homosexuals who had gay sex behind closed doors.

Just kill them all. WWIII would be more humane.

This. Africa is a fucking bread basket and niggers are just too complacent or incompetent to take advantage of it.

War is more dignified than this.

Because it's political work.
Because they are religious works.

Marx genius lies not in him being good economist (although he was not bad for 19 century) or good philosopher (he just ripped off Hegel, badly) - but in his ability to produce cultural equivalent of MRE

I do not see much difference for solider. And for commanders - today command sites are order of magnitude more comfortable that dung smelling tents

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As a long term NEET I've often related my situation to that of medieval monks. I've spent most of my time learning the wisdom of old, much as they did, only with the power of modern technology I was able to expand my reach and help meme fashy ideas into the mainstream consciousness. Trumps rise is a good indication that I, we, played an important role in our society for our time, even if we didn't produce much economically speaking.

Modern day monestaries exist.

Sounds more like monks were spergs with financially well endowed sperg handlers.

making and producing manuscripts has no economic value…..