Why is the dprk isn't a socialist state?

you always argue that north korea is a fascist state.

why is the dprk considered (by you) as a far-right state instead of a far-left one?


it just seem to be a proletarian utopia.

The people don't own the means of production.

they virtually do, as all products are distributed equally around the population, and there isn't any type of accumulation of capital.

Sure there is. The state owns it all.


They have a god-king. It literally does not get more unequal than that.


The workers do not control the means of production, so they do in fact experience alienation.


That puts them in company with half the liberal nation-states in the world.

Unruhe pls, get the fuck outta here. If this is what you really believe, that things there are distributed equally, that people aren't alienated…you're either a fucking idiot or a troll.

Don't feed this dude people.

sage

The fact that you need this qualifier speaks volumes.

The people who live in that shithole are more alienated than anyone else. The DPRK isn't even communist anymore, they formally renounced it decades ago. It's now basically fascism. The extreme authority and social control are the end, not the means; it is an orgy of sadism by a fat manchild and his late parents.

communism goal isn't to achieve an anarchist-like society.
it just isn't possible to the people to actually own the means of productions, as it would certainy decay in oclocracy and crisis.
north korea is in fact a meritocratic communist utopia since everyone have exactly the same oportunities once they're born.
about the supposed "god king" and his holy heritage, it's just bollocks, since dictators and their importance is because of the people that support them.

I do not consider DRPK to be a far right state

wrong

There's can't be equality as long as there's division of labour

Alienation is a useless concept.

What really matters, is what kind of economic basis DRPK have.
Wiki says they have planned economy, but what does it really means?

Is there exist labour market? Is there exist market of the MOP? Late SU had all of this, and they still were considered to have planned economy.

And what about agriculture? Did they go beyond collective farming to state run agricultural enterprises?

Also, what about financial sistem? Do they have two separate money circuits, one in industry, and one in consumer market?

And what about vertical integration principle? Do their enterprises can make profit by selling intermediate products, or profit can only be obtained by the state as a whole in the end consumer market in the form of tax on circulation?
And what about planned periodic reduction of prices on the basis of reduced costs of production and increased productivity of labour?

And what about their plans regarding market and money? Have there been any moves to reduce the market and money-commodity relations? Do people there still have to pay for communal services, pay rent, pay for food on the work place? Do they still have to pay for bus ride, for mobile connection?

So many questions, so little answers.

Who the fuck would answer your questions before you even posted them?

It's a figure of speech.
Do you take everything literally, faggot?

Go back to Holla Forums mate.

Yeah, it's obvious enough North Korea isn't really democratic but I have no idea how the economy works at all other than it supposedly still features planning. It seems difficult to believe that there's a corner of this planet where capitalist property relations don't dominate industry but it could be true for all I know.

Its a monarchy. Workers dont have any power on means of production.

Power indeed do corrupt the communists.

The fucking cornerstones of their ideology read like something straight out of Mussolini's diary.

yeah but mussolini belived in free market and social darwinism.

sure user

DPRK is a great example of what Marx called "barracks communism"

The DPRK isn't a Socialist state because they declare themselves not to be. They say themselves that they no longer follow the tenants of Marxism, but the ideology of Juche.

Furthermore, private property does in fact exist in Korea. Do you really think that most of the factories that exist in the DPRK are owned by the people? They're usually either controlled by state-sponsored corporations like Noko or Pyeonghwa.

Furthermore, massive amounts of alienation exists in North Korea. Why do you think that we hear stories of their government selling their people to work in places like Siberia and Poland? Why do you think that people are regularly sent to concentration camps by their government, which we have photos and eye-witness evidence of? Why do you think that people inside of North Korea are regularly attempting escape, including military personnel?

An estimated 100,000 to 300,000 North Koreans have fled the country since its establishment. Sure sounds like there isn't any fucking alienation to me.

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They are authoritarian communist, as opposes to libertine communist.

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yes it is