Trying not to be disrespectful but I'll be harsh:
How is debating about scriptures from the 19th century or celebrating Stalin, Trotsky, Tito or whomever your personal favorite might be and criticising their opponents, going to change anything?
That's not political activism. I've been a supporter of Socialism for the past 5 years but I'm starting to lose my "faith"/belief that there is a Marxist solution because there's no progress.
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Hmm.. How I wonder…
Well obviously that "plan" doesn't fucking work, because look who is gonna be the next president.
And is that really the gist of it? Keeping the status quo?
idk, how are you going to not be a faggot?
Ooooh! So your problem is the INACTIVITY of the left!
And that is a very valid issue.
BUT!
Look at the strength the left has in current year.
Look at the propaganda poison that has been shed. Decades of propaganda.
Look at the faux left the bourgies created to make us look like ID pol faggots.
Do you expect any real activism now?
IMO, all we can do is continue to spread the true left. If that means arguing about dead people's ideas, while creating memes, I'm fine with that.
triggered?
There is no Marxist solution.
Thanks to Stalin and Mao there will never again be a Marxist mass-movement.
Marxism has to either completely reinvent itself, or we have to try some of the non-marxian solutions.
kok
at another useless thread? yeah. most people don't celebrate stalin, even fewer do so for trotsky, tito is given some recognition but nobody sucks his dick. Asking "why read?" is fucking retarded. And also, nobody calls reading activism. I'd say that, largely, imageboards are a fine way to organize when you've got Holla Forums tier groupthink, but with how sectarian the left is, we need a better format to organize.
The vast majority of young people is turning to right-wing politicians all across Europe and the US.
What I expect is a Marxist plan. There are no exact plans, just vague, basic ideals and models, but nothing specific.
I agree
We lack leaders.
We lack the passion.
We lack organization.
How are we to make plans?
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Do something about it motherfucker. Stop bitching.
Make leaders, spread passion and organize.
If stupid nationalists can do it, why shouldn't we.
I loathe these meaninglessly threads. Hasn't pessimism already destroyed the will of enough communists already? Give it time. The movement has been eviscerated and it will take decades to rebuild. And in the meantime there's nothing wrong with discussing history. Seriously, what is the point you're trying to make here? It's just more of the "Marxism is outdated" nonsense we've been seeing since the mid-80's.
Anarchism is going nowhere. Most of your kind on this board sees themselves as the sole claimants to true socialism, immune to criticism and with no need to admit to any past mistakes. You people think you can just shrug off the generic criticisms directed at Marxists by saying "we're not like them," but nobody is buying it.
Wait…
So… Does that horrific mess that's called the PRC count as socialism and thus socialism failed horribly in the past, or are these just ideological fetishists with no real revolutionary potential?
You're right. We need to demonstrate we're nothing like them.
We need to crack down on them in the streets to demonstrate that we're not just Marxists by another name and then we can truly take off.
Eerrr.. I think we are…
Also I'd like to add that the left-wing movement in the west has moved away from working class issues and an economic alternative, to almost only fighting for gay rights, against discrimination etc..
I think we should focus on Socialism's original problems but in today's context.
Imo we need people who have an understanding of today's economy and who can offer a Marxist approach to today's society.
Uh, no? A small number of anti-immigrant parties getting elected isn't the same thing as the majority of people going right-wing.
Capitalism is in decline, with little way out of the rut that it's found itself in. All we need to do is continue to agitate, educate and organize to build a larger base of support. And that support is coming. Neoliberalism has made the capitalist establishment ideologically befuddled enough that the chances of some new Keynesian plan to bail capitalism out again is highly unlikely. The capitalists are already in the process of selling us the rope with which they will be hanged, all we need to do is spread the word.
Well how the fuck is it not outdated if the only reference point we're having is Marx' Kapital? Workers don't have the exact same problems they've had in Marx' times.
And even if the did have the exact same problems, consider all the modern aspects (digital development for example) which Das Kapital doesn't cover.
Look at the rapid growth of right-wing organisations.
We have the basics (Marx, Gramsci,…), we just have to apply them to today's time and modernize.
I'm not talking about this kind of straight forward white supremacy.
Look at Trump, look at Front National, look at Sverigedemokraterna, look at the AfD in Germany, look at the FPÖ in Austria, look at Poland and Hungary and the list goes on and on. There's really no way you can deny this.
But in case I'm missing something, what left youth movements can you name, that are growing faster or as fast as the right-wing movements/parties? I'm genuinly asking.
Just what the fuck are you talking about? The PRC when?
Does revolutionary China count as the single largest attempt at socialism in world history? Yes.
Your lexicon consists of meaningless buzzwords.
OP's not talking about studying history but about obsessing over century-old ideas. Times have changed, we need to change our strategy.
theory → strategy → tactic
Exactly
And what are those parties going to do, exactly? Restrict immigration? Fine. Disband the EU? Good, that helps us. In the end, they won't be able to solve the problems we face and they'll end up discrediting themselves.
Portugal just elected a fairly left-wing government, Podemos is on the rise in Spain, the Labour party just recently rejected the Blairites, socialist organizations in the United States are all reporting record interest and recruitment in their organizations (from what I've seen)
It's what you normally see when the system is in crisis, a rise in both the right and the left. If the right gets their day in the sun first, it's really no problem, let them discredit themselves.
Do you have any ideas?
No, the liberal and pacifist brainwashing has. If you're a militant leftist today you can't afford to *not* be pessimistic at the same time. That's not defeatism though, it just means being aware of the enormity of the challenge.
You are right about Portugal and Podemos, but in countries where the capitalists make the most profit and are the richest, we don't score anymore.
And tbh I'm afraid that Portugal's new government is going to discredit the left, because there is no Marxist plan.
Look at what happened with Syriza. They got elected and fucked up.
We need a good theory of the tactics of neoliberalism & liberalism so that we know what and where to attack. Most of left theorists reduce neoliberalism to some kind of theological doctrine, ignoring what makes it work in practice.
The ingeniousness of neoliberalism is that it works through our very desires which it recodifies within the market. How do you break the system when our propaganda against it is a part of it? Another thing, neoliberalism & liberalism fight against any form of collectivity, including right-wing ones like nationalism or racism. How is any political change possible at all with people being so individualist?
These are practical questions that I don't see discussed much.
These are really good observations and questions. It would be nice to have it in its own thread.
it's supposed to be
1. discussions about basic theory, but you're getting fed up since you're dealing with anarchists and other fringe socialist pretentious little fucks that are talking out of their ass and have technical terms from wikipedia at best.
you should look at it as ideological training, nothing else really to it.
2. part of it is discussing history and application of theory into practice.
due to the lack of seriousness that is the inherent nature of shitposting platforms like imageboards where nobody cares about an image and those who do are beforementioned pretentious impotent little fuckers, it eventually just dies down to spewing memes and namecalling, everything degenerates into a dismissive attitude towards the pathetic scum that is the majority of this board.
if you want political activism, go fucking organize and work for what you think is right. since you're not happy with the outcome you're either personally a failure who can't contribute anything but defeatist whining or your entire theory and organisation is shit and you should reconsider your position.
Well, what is your exact plan?
wow that's some hardcore reactionary shit right there
Why doesn't someone start a thread where we construct a new marxist philosophy? Modernize it based off the basics.
If Holla Forums can have autistic revive Not Socialism threads why not us :(
You wouldn't be comrades with someone who upholds Hitler would you?
For the same reason we need to fight against those that uphold Trotsky. These 20th century struggles matter and have relevance today.
kek
Count me in
Wow it's almost as if Western bankers propped up both regimes so as to discredit Marxism/Communism once and for all…
Critique is more than welcome. Leftist need to update their theory to the 21th century. It just feels that i have to do all the work for you idiots.
Do it. Make a thread.
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me too