Refute this, Ayncraps!

Cameron Martin
Cameron Martin

Your property is a piece of land you bought. However, I have then bought all the land around your property, such that it encircles your property. Your property has no means to support itself, no farmland, no food. Without this, you will surely starve to death. The only means to survive will be to leave your property in search of food, HOWEVER, doing so means having to step on my property, which I DID NOT give you permission to do. Stepping on MY PROPERTY violates the NAP. If you step on my property, I have no choice but to shoot you for initiating aggression against me. You have no guns to fight back with, no private police force to protect you, and I refuse to negotiate for your ability to cross my property borders. How will you ensure your survival from starvation while at the same time not violating the NAP you claim to uphold?

Ethan Campbell
Ethan Campbell

Your property is a piece of land you bought. However, I have then bought all the land around your property, such that it encircles your property.

That's impossible, because I would demand some sort of contract that WHOEVER might own that land around me, they have to allow for the owner of the propery I own (so me) to pass through. And my house/property also would have road access. It wouldn't just be "randomely" placed somewhere in the wilderness.

That road whoever owns that, could be some sort of collective too, would allow me to use it and also have a deal with surrounding property owners to let people pass through to get on the road. After all they benefit from the road being there, maybe they even own a percentage of it.

If you step on my property, I have no choice but to shoot you for initiating aggression against me

That is ridiculous. You don't have to kill anyone for stepping on their property. That makes you a murderer and you would get prosecuted for that. I am not some scary looking person, whose outward appearance like some hoodrat or Islamic terrorist would warrant even the thought of using force.

How will you ensure your survival from starvation while at the same time not violating the NAP you claim to uphold?

I would go right up to you with my arms held over my head and give you a hug and hope that the release of ocytocin in your body kills your sociopathic tendencies.

Nicholas Williams
Nicholas Williams

road
nope

Lincoln Reed
Lincoln Reed

By restricting my freedom of movement, you're violating the NAP. The only way you could completely encircle my property without violating the NAP is by negotiating an easement with me.

Robert Robinson
Robert Robinson

Why would I want to own something which isn't connected to a road, not even in an extended sense, is surrounded by some Sociopath's property, who will shoot his neighbour on sight and also not have a job or occupation, because I even have trouble of feeding myself, which also means I wouldn't have the money to waste on something this stupid anyway.

Austin Phillips
Austin Phillips

What if I buy the road?
Check and mate, faggit.

Actually, what I can do using OP's example is to buy the whole circle and then rent it to someone else. Then I walk in one day and say I'd like to tickle their bum. They disagree of course, they don't like their bum tickled.
So I rip the renting contract in half. Suddendly, he's in my property again, and he had no permission to do so (it was in the contract that is now void).
I loudly scream at him for threatning my security and promptly blow his head all over the wall. His familly will have to pay the cleaner of course, since I did not put the blood there, HE did in the last moments he lived.
THEN I tickle his bum because he's now a corpse i.e. a thing in my property which means I own his ass for me to tickle any time I want.

ASS TICKLING BEATS YOUR NAP SHIT.
THAT'S HOW GAY IT IS.

Hudson Mitchell
Hudson Mitchell

buy some land

Easton Martin
Easton Martin

That's impossible, because I would demand some sort of contract that WHOEVER might own that land around me, they have to allow for the owner of the propery I own (so me) to pass through
But that would entail giving access to land that the landowner doesn't own. Aside from that, these are the conditions and you cannot violate them with some sort of counterfactual "But I would never-" No. These are the conditions. And if not you, then someone else would have this scenario.
You don't have to kill anyone for stepping on their property
YOU'RE VIOLATING MY NAP. Who are YOU to tell me who I can or can't defend my property against you fucking fascist?
That makes you a murderer and you would get prosecuted for that
Prosecuted by who? There's no monopoly of force meaning there is no public police force to take me to public court or throw me in public jail, we abolished all of that when we live in ancapistan. Even if you could afford a private police force, I have my own private police force and they would protect me; you cannot haul me off to a private court or private jail because I refuse to go, even if I did commit a crime on your property, so my refusal means you do not have my consent and if you kidnap me you are violating my NAP.
I would go right up to you with my arms held over my head and give you a hug
YOU'RE FUCKING DEAD, KIDDO
By restricting my freedom of movement, you're violating the NAP
Nobody made you live there, I am not restricting your movement, it just so happens that protecting my property means preventing force. Stopping me from preventing you from initiating force against my property violates my NAP. If you didn't want your movement restricted, you shouldn't have allowed yourself to become engulfed by someone like me buying the property around your property.
You originally bought the land, but then awhile later, I bought the land around your land. Sorry if I didn't clear that up in the OP.
But then you would have to leave your land to go and talk to the property owner around my property to buy it, and you'd have to cross my borders again. Even then your meme pic still remains you'd have to leave your inner circle to get to the outer circle and you can't do that without crossing my borders. You've essentially solved nothing and even worse wasted your money.

BUYING FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT IS NOT A HUMAN RIGHT IF I REFUSE TO SELL IT TO YOU

Evan Cooper
Evan Cooper

The only way you could completely encircle my property without violating the NAP is by negotiating an easement with me
And another thing, you're fucking wrong. All you own is the property you bought, you DO NOT own the area around your property any more than I own my fucking neighbor's yard in the real world. If you owned the area around your property it would be your property, but it's not.

Blake Evans
Blake Evans

What if I buy the road?
Check and mate, faggit.

So what, idiot? You still have to honour your obligations. You have to honour the contract.

So I rip the renting contract in half. Suddendly, he's in my property again, and he had no permission to do so (it was in the contract that is now void).

Nope, you can't just do that. Because people will be worrid about stuff like that, they will demand some standard clauses be included in every contract, which are going to be common standard.

You can't just do that shit.

I loudly scream at him for threatning my security and promptly blow his head all over the wall. His familly will have to pay the cleaner of course, since I did not put the blood there, HE did in the last moments he lived.

And you wouldn't even have to put that in a contract. Have fun getting hunted, ostracized and having your bum tickled by gay rapists who rape outlaws.

These are the conditions. And if not you, then someone else would have this scenario.
That scenario is stupid. I will adjust it to my liking however I wish.

But that would entail giving access to land that the landowner doesn't own

So what? Do you not know what a contract is?

YOU'RE VIOLATING MY NAP. Who are YOU to tell me who I can or can't defend my property against you fucking fascist?

You can't just kill other people like that. Human life is too precious.

Prosecuted by who?

Anarcho-Capitalism/Voluntarism means without RULERS, not without RULES. There still would be courts, police, etc.

Nobody made you live there

Your retarded ass scenario literally made me spawn there like a videogame. It's retarded as fuck and would never happen.

If you didn't want your movement restricted, you shouldn't have allowed yourself to become engulfed by someone like me buying the property around your property.

I SPAWNED THERE!

You originally bought the land, but then awhile later, I bought the land around your land. Sorry if I didn't clear that up in the OP.

Go back to what I said earlier here. I would have access to your land to get connected to the nearest road. That would be a contractual necessity for even buying the land.

ANOTHER STATIST SCHOOLED, YEAH BABY!

Ayden Richardson
Ayden Richardson

I don't think you understand the concept of an easement. It's not my property; it's your property that you're placing on limits on how I can pass through. You can tell me when, where, and how I can pass through your property, but you can't wholly prevent me from visiting Joe's property without violating the NAP.

Deliberately misinterprets the NAP to create a ridiculous scenario
Claims other people don't understand the NAP when they explain how it actually works

Leo Ramirez
Leo Ramirez

That's not capitalism works, you fucking imbecile. Without a central controlling force the concept of money and even "buying" itself is meaningless. Also I'm pretty sure shit like that has happened numerous times in history. If you have studied law, you would know the implications and the precedents.

Joshua Reyes
Joshua Reyes

ANCRAP content always gives me hearty keks

Henry Butler
Henry Butler

That scenario is stupid. I will adjust it to my liking however I wish.
<I can't refute your argument without making up my own rules
Faggot.
So what? Do you not know what a contract is?
You can't sell things you don't own. I could make a contract to sell my neighbor's house but that contract means nothing if I don't own his house which I don't. You can't make a contract for land you don't own, faggot.
You can't just kill other people like that
I'll shoot you if you threaten my property by stepping on my land; who will stop me from shooting you if there are no public police? Noone.
There still would be courts, police, etc
They're all privatized.
Your retarded ass scenario literally made me spawn there like a videogame. It's retarded as fuck and would never happen
You're counting on something not happening but taking no steps to ensure it doesn't happen, this is why ayncrapism is retarded. That's like not having a fire extinguisher because you entrust that a fire will never happen in your home. If you don't take steps to ensure something doesn't happen, it's liable to happen. Even if it doesn't happen to you it will happen to someone else.
I SPAWNED THERE!
Even if you bought a gigantic piece of land you cannot ensure that the area around yours cannot be bought. You could buy an entire continent but then I could just buy all the other continents and the oceans and space and so you could never leave.
Go back to what I said earlier here. I would have access to your land to get connected to the nearest road
TOO LATE, FAGGOT! I bought all the roads. Step on them, and my private police shoots you.
STATIST
You're the statist here trying to take away my freedom. RESPECT MY PROPERTY, FASCIST!
This is not an argument, you can't prevent me from buying the land around your land that would violate the NAP by telling me what I can or can't do.
Do you not know what irony is you fucking retard?

Liam Clark
Liam Clark

You are all trespassing in my thread. Get out now or I shoot.

Austin Morris
Austin Morris

How the fuck did I even get onto my property if I didn't have any way to access it in the first place after I bought it? I would have had to have negotiated an easement with the prior owner of the land you bought, and that contract would transfer to you when you bought it.

You're also forgetting that the NAP is the basis of libertarian ethics; it's not a law. You could just walk onto my property and shoot me if you wanted to, but that would be unethical and you would face social repercussions. Likewise, caging me onto my property and starving me to death would be unethical, and the fact that it's your property wouldn't protect you from similar social repercussions. Scream "MUH PROPERTY" all you want, but everyone around you will see a man that murdered another man just because he could.

Lucas Young
Lucas Young

He is implying that he could buy the land without honoring the contact. In his impossible scenario you would die. In the same way you could ask him what he would do if he was inside a house and you bought it while he was inside with the previous owner's consent. In his mind you could walk in and blow him away.

Lincoln Clark
Lincoln Clark

(checked)
that image is gay, it's sexier to hug her around the waist

Josiah Howard
Josiah Howard

Use outlandish, would not happen example to prove your point.
Always.

Bentley Wilson
Bentley Wilson

He is implying that he could buy the land without honoring the contact.
He couldn't, though. It would have to part of the terms of the purchase of the property and if he wasn't happy with the terms he would have to renegotiate them with me.

And once again, even if I only had a handshake deal with the previous owners, the NAP isn't a law, it's a moral guideline. If OP intentionally starved me to death, he would still be morally in the wrong, NAP or no.

Brayden Perry
Brayden Perry

itt a socialist neet has no clue about metes and bounds.

Top kek

Kevin Nelson
Kevin Nelson

Yeah, that's why virtually every state and county and town has laws about these little things called easements. See I'm not in favour of a huge, powerful government, but the reason that governments exist is because of assholes like OP. In a less structured system, he might just end up summarily shot rather than simply sued to allow access.

Luke Wright
Luke Wright

Little do you know, Jim has reneged on your contract, as I placed a bid on the thread that he couldn't refuse.

So… you were saying?

Justin Miller
Justin Miller

get engulfed by land baron
STAY OFF MUH LAND REEE NAP!
use privately manufactured and shoddily made helicopter to fly out of my land into town
Buy airspace above your property
strafe run you the first time you jump in the air
claim you land as my own since a dead person can't own property and inheritance is not a legal option
?????
Profit

Parker Carter
Parker Carter

In his mind you could blow him up anyway since no centralized government=no law. It is wild capitalism ofcoarse.
this is how commies see the world

Cameron Thomas
Cameron Thomas

Little did you know I just bough Holla Forums.
Take a NAP bitch

Gabriel Clark
Gabriel Clark

Excuse me while I Ad Hom the shit outta this thread…

Most anarchists and libertarians are just bratty, self-entitled ideologues who don't know how to cooperate with other people.

Is there any doubt that the rate of autism and anti-social personality disorders are higher among these groups?

Hudson Stewart
Hudson Stewart

But… you just violated NAP

Adam Hernandez
Adam Hernandez

Most authoritarians are pieces of shit. Imagine that asshole cops who stops and searches your car while smiling sadistically and making snotty remarks. Then he gets back at home and jerks off to the memory. That's how I see you guys.

Tyler Gray
Tyler Gray

So, you see things as either anarchism or authoritarianism?

Another Ad Hom, comin thru…
You are a fucking idiot

Jason Bennett
Jason Bennett

UPBOAT

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Christian Allen
Christian Allen

You didnt say anything about you owning the airspace
order balloons from Amazon
sends drone to give me them
tie them around body and fly away

Tyler Sanchez
Tyler Sanchez

Suck the cum out of my balls, faggots.

Julian Peterson
Julian Peterson

Just a reminder OP, we can tell by your posting if you are an idiot. Just because you got dropped on your head repeatedly as a baby doesnt mean everyone else also has an IQ of 65 like you.

Former real estate appraiser here. You realize no taxing entity or political subdivision would approve of this property claim. Thus, just because you claim it, but dont get it approved by zoning, or municiple engineering makes it an ""illegal subdivision". You killing some hapless victim will still send you to get ass raped in prison once the law comes to review the facts of the commie vs deceased. Only fucking hippies have such low IQ to create such stupid thought experiments. If you can claim such a property, I can claim all of Disney world. "Real Property" is a legal agreement between owners and governments.

Daniel Smith
Daniel Smith

You realize no taxing entity or political subdivision would approve of this property claim
What's a taxing entity? Political subdivision? I guess it depends on who owns them.

prison
the law
between owners and governments
governments
GOVERNMENTS???
WHAAAAAAAAAT!!

Isaiah Brooks
Isaiah Brooks

Not OP, btw

Noah Rodriguez
Noah Rodriguez

I imprison u an i own the bars to the cage so you cant get out haha checkmate anarchists
This is literally the best of the best arguments against the NAP. How will anarchism ever recover?

Jason Diaz
Jason Diaz

live in ancapistan and abide by the NAP
amass the wealthiest and most successful corporation in the land, owning a majority of the wealth, resources, and property
decide i want to conquer the rest of the land
build private army and create militia offering benefits to other commuunities/corporations for their help in establishing a governing state body and seizing all the others property
break the NAP and steal your shit, one by one
enslave you
mfw you dont have the strength in numbers, wealth, or resources to mount a coalition that can put up a fight

Isaac Campbell
Isaac Campbell

giving a warning before dropping a tactical mcnuke(tm) on those who violate the NAP
fucking commie.

Alexander Anderson
Alexander Anderson

You can't just kill other people like that.
Yes I can. Who's gonna stop me?
Human life is too precious.
Says who? If you're not sucking my dick or feeding me, you're not precious. In fact, you're consuming resources I could consume myself and sucking dicks that are not mine.

As far as I'm concerned, I have an evolotunary advantage if I just kill anyone who doesn't bend the knee to my all mighty NAP.
but then you break MY NAP!
Hope you got a bigger gun than me, boyo, or I'm gonna shove your nap up your bumhole with an M1 Garand.

Nathaniel Gonzalez
Nathaniel Gonzalez

Don't you DARE break my beatifull bars, you faggot or I'll shoot you dead.

Matthew Bailey
Matthew Bailey

I do what I must to protect the NAP. By the way I am also going to privatize all the water and charge you $1 million dollars for a bottle. Welcome to the free market, faggot.
The scenario is quite possible actually, there is nothing to ensure it doesn't happen. If I buy the land around your house from someone else who owns the land, what you want or not want to happen means jack shit to me. You don't own the land around you property, you only own your property itself.
Again it's quite possible. Nice non-argument.
morals exist when business is the bottom line
I'll starve a million of you niggers to death before I let the precious NAP be violated. Why do you want to murder me in cold blood? Don't you respect my property? How would YOU like it if I just came into your yard or house and started stomping everywhere? HUH?
Non-argument
There are no easements in ancapistan unless we signed a contract which we didn't, faggot.
There are no central laws in ancapistan which is what you're forgetting, faggot. There is only the NAP and financial power. THAT'S capitalism. If you don't like it, go start your own country out in the wilderness or something you nigger.

Jaxson Nelson
Jaxson Nelson

corporation
corporations are a legal construct, so managers/owners aren't liable for losses and can somehow blame it on an artifical personhood "a corporation"
they won't exist

sure bro, nice fantasy

I have another one: I will heroically conquer your boypussy with my dick and make you into my little princess. The only thing you are going to occupy is my DICK.

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