ML and Holla Forums

why does Holla Forums hate marxism-leninism so much? the ideology didnt fail because its internally contradicting, it failed because of the the conditions and unnecessary revisionism. also what's with the tankie hate? i think /marx/ and Holla Forums should be friends tbqh

also most of Holla Forums is anarchists and socdems, right?

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Half of the boards are marxists, half anarchists, there are barely any socdems with the notable exception of Y*i

how is yui a socdem? and why the r00d sage?

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let me help you understand, OP

Holla Forums is a conglomeration of fringe socialist movements that never achieved anything and join the bourgeoise hatred against the only ever relevant and successful communists there are.

they're mad and jello af.
befriending Holla Forums is suggesting to befriend the infantile disorder we seek to overcome and abolish in order to get anywhere.

kill
yourself

see, this is the faggotry you're dealing with here

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Because it's the result of Stalin's shitty reading of Marx and Lenin, and all around a awful nonsense theory with no substance but a hell of a lot of dogmatism and sectarianism.

The hatred for tankies are bc they're teenage edgelords who will literally support anything criticized by mainstream media to piss off their parents. DPRK, Assad, Putin… fucking ISIS. Anti-imperialism just means supporting whatever the US/EU is currently bashing. It's a pathetically outdated view of how the world works and in no way or form related to Marxism.


Are you retarded?

he's a tankie

I'd like for /marx/ to have more posters but it's never going to happen as long as people here keep strawmanning us to the point where most people think we are anti-democracy and our only goal US nationalisation. The vangardism meme isn't helping either. (pro-tip, a Leninist party model doesn't exist)

New here, what is the general ideology/position of /marx/?

I mostly like Lenin, with the exception of the idea of Comintern discipline. I don't see how you can read history and decide that ML failed from other things, but that ML itself isn't responsible for some of the condition. By posturing as having a monopoly on revolutionary theory, the Comintern sowed confusion among the socialist ranks. Why blindly follow the Russian model when Stalin himself writes that Leninism is Marxism applied to Russian conditions. So then what does Marxism look like when applied to English conditions, Chinese conditions? It looks like ML I guess!
Oh and I almost forgot, the stupidest fucking thing about ML (this is some WIlliam Z Foster shit), the idea that revolutionary unions are bad because they're bad mmmk but the old bourgeois unions are just dandy and we need to throw ourselves into them body and soul, when the US is like, 10% unionized and the unions clearly are as counterrevolutionary as the Democratic Party. I mean maybe it was a good idea in the 30s and you all have that one photo of the teamsters in Michigan or Minnesota you still jerk off to, but nowadays it's kaputt. I'm not a proper prole, but the few union people I've spoken with in postal-delivery work (teamsters and whoever USPS works with) say the union is aloof and in the main not helpful, a necessary evil at best. So when you tell them they just need to take back the union, you are herding them on a path as misguided as trying to take back control of the Democratic Party. Please reconsider.

How is going full socialist revolution in Russia, but then going bourg-dem revolution in China (1927) and other places not internally contradictory? Is it because there was even less heavy industry in China, Nepal, etc?

Also get rid of that stupid symbol. Hardly anyone in developed economies uses a scythe or a hammer and most people hate the thought of the USSR, and more than half the people who don't hate it appropriate it out of fashion.

As other people are saying, this board is about half Marxists and half anarchists each of varying shades.

you won't like /marx/ because it's soviet apologism central

I'm not a socdem, what a terrible thing to say!

Stalin was a pencil-pushing scoundrel who only was able to seize power due to nepotism between him and his cronies. Outside of his skill at bureaucratic management, he was literally a text-book moron who didn't understand a lick of Marxism, dialectics or even basic Leninist political stratagems. His works of 'theory' should be incinerated and forgotten for all eternity.

Yui confirmed for book-burning fascist.

you wouldn't know it judging from the bernie thread

Because there are idiot socialist here who think Bernie is doing work for us by popularizing the now corrupted words of (quasi)"socialism". all social liberals and social democrats ought to be lynched immediately. They will destroy the remnants of the real left.

Stalin writes in a very simple and straight way, very easy to understand, and that's good to educate the masses.
t. read a lot of Stalin

We don't like fascists here.

Thanks to him Socialism is no longer associated with the western caricature of the mass murdering Stalin but instead a lovable old jewish man

Everyone in the Eastern Bloc called themselves communist.

m-muh material conditions, no bulli :((
lol fucking idealists anarchism will never work :DDDD

Too crude a bait!

Ffs he was a shit socialist but no need to lie. Stalin rose in the party ranks because he was a good organizer and raised funds for the Bolsheviks. He came into power because he was shrewd and knew how to play politics. Unlike Trotsky who just thought he'd be handed a position of power because of his supreme dialectics and luscious locks.

They literally didn't, it was described as "real socialism".

And he was also wrong.

They claimed to be communist, not communism.

And? That's not really relevant to the question is it?

It is. Tsumigi literally said that all these communist states (i.e., ML party ruled) were huge failures, and then some retard claims they were not communist because he's too retarded to understand that the communist state means a state under ML "communist" rule, not communism as the socioeconomic system.

Lenin tailored his policies to the situation that Russia was in before and during the revolution. Like any intelligent socialist system, it was not a one-size-fits-all strategy to be exported to other places in different positions.

Stalin was just another Napoleon.

Marxism Leninism is not the same as Stalinism or Soviet Union you autismos.

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It's a one-size-fits-none strategy.

They were revisionists

It sure as hell fit better than every other system available to Russia at the time.

Inb4 he gives you some shit about how the Mensheviks and SR's (widely loved by anarchists) would've brought democracy to Russia.

But that's exactly why it failed. The idea of a vanguard party was never compatible with socialism in the first place.

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Every system ultimately fails. They at least had a good run, unlike others.

That statement is unfalsifiable.

Is this the new problematic?

That is because saying that a system "failed" is the same as saying that it was tried.

Because MLs don't want socialism.

ML's were a soft touch and didn't use the gulag nearly enough. Also Ho Chi Minh.

t. Pol Pot

PS. I'm a Leninist. I see Lenin's point. I see why it didn't work. I can find new ways to make it work.
M-Ls don't. M-Ls only have a pureIdeology and follow it like sheep. STAAAAAALIN DIIIID NOTHIIIIN WROOOOOOOOONG!

… I know that gal. Isn't that Monroe? Is this pic real?

No, we don't get rid of it. It's part of our history and we like it.
And ALL societies were build by a hammer and a scythe. Even if the hammer became a forge and a factory and the scythe tractors and fertilizers.

Daily reminder that fence sitters like you will be purged along with anarchokiddies when the revolution comes.

hnnnggg

And they themselves never fucking called themselves communist but claimed "real socialism", add to this the fact tsumugi the tard claimed Venezuela was communist and you might see that no, it's not used in such a nuanced fashion as you claim.

Retard.

what is a tsumubi?

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It didn't "fail" in some burger breadlines meme sense, but it was excessively harsh and hypocritical in that Lenin and Stalin got to build off of Marx but no one else could.

You could argue that Lenin was just the "most" Marxist but he also called "left-wing communists" idiots.

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This should be a copypasta for history nerds

oh hey it's Yeltsin's democratic capitalist Russia.

We shall not make the same mistakes as Lenin again.

NO STALIN THIS TIME!

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