Holla Forums, how would entertainment like vidya and anime exist in a communist/socialist/anarchist society? I mean, what pretty much fuels it is the motivation of profit. Without it, how would they exist?
pls help so i can finish my conversion to socialism
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how will they not?
under socialism, the quality would even be better as there wont be any movie/vidya/TV shows thats made purely for money. people will write music or make films that have actual values, that expresses the soul and talent of the artists, instead of just to cater to the public and show them what they want to see.
there wont be any big man in some office molesting young actresses, or big corporations created to train talentless bimbos to make generic dance music and strip in front of 13 year olds. animes will rid itself off the pro-capitalist elements, and people will have to find their own soul instead of just grabbing the nearest top 40 dance tracks of the month or spend 200 dollars on movie and popcorn.
One day the argument is "anime can't br real on gommunism".
Others is "nobody will work in communism cuz everybody will be making useless shit like games and jacking off to anime".
It can't be both my man.
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thing is, vidya is fucking expensive to make and takes a lot of time and resources
under a planned economy, how would you justify allocating those resources towards it
inb4 >market socialists swarm the thread
I wonder what people did before capitalism. Did they just sit around and starve?
Pretty much
While we're on the subject of vidya, here's a few leftist games
Red Faction
Game about starting a workers uprising and bring down the capitalist company "Ultor", killing hundreds of guards and mercs to put a stop to them. And its on mars so that's cool
Fallout New Vegas
This game is HEAVILY left wing, right down to its story line. A lot of your followers are leftist and talk shit about vegas all the time. There's even an anarchy communist ending
The arts are subsidized under our current capitalism, why can't this be also the case under gommunism?
Will communism get rid of otaku and gamers? No. Will it prevent them from wanting to go into the industry? No. Will it destroy the talents of people currently in the industry? No.
All it will do is make sure the fruits of their labor flow to people actually making the entertainment, and not to companies like EA.
Anime and vidya under capitalism are made for the profit of businesses - though even now people often produce them for the love of the artform and not a hope of compensation, so don't get too worried about a worst-case scenario.
Anime and vidya under socialism will be made for the profit of the proletariat.
No it isn't, there are games of various budgets just like there are films of various budgets. The USSR produced the game Tetris by accident by simply demanding software for the Electronika 60 with vague requirements and the fact Tetris didn't require much resources to make.
Entertainment is a coping mechanism (i.e. byprocuct) of alienation. It would not exist in a communist society. That is not to say that art, fun, and merriment would not exist. These would be nobler than the filth that we call entertainment. Everyone would value their time and the only people who bothered with entertainment would be historians documenting a pre-communist society.
How should artists be payed under socialism? Who would decide that? Some democratic Artist Committees? Wouldn't the working class be jealous of artists that they're free to just work with art instead of hammers?
What good is glorious revolution if you can't dance?
Under socialism everyone can (and probably will) be an artist. You go work your physical labor job for, say, 4 hours a day. You then can spend the rest of your time how you please. If that involves art, you are welcome to it. That doesn't mean your art will be famous or prestigious though.
Nah.
So this is good?
Nope.
Sorry breh.
except that's bullshit you dumb idiot
Never mind, I saw it and basically says socialism is outright scientifically feasible what would happen if people with high skills were left to be autonomous.
Why won't for example producing music or working in the music indutry be considered work?
Because under a socialist system there would be no "intellectual property" and thus no ability to create the artificial monopolies that the music industry relies upon to function.
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The anime and video game industries needs a good gulaging of its higher ups.
Socialism will greatly shrink these industries as they are long term collaborative projects that are pretty expensive and time consuming. Funding will have to be through crowdfunding, state subsidiaries, and even straight out volunteering free time. Less people will be working but those who remain will be more passionate and will be able to create without having to worry about shareholders demands or otaku's prefernces.
Once fully automated luxury communism takes hold I could imagine production will rise again but the quality will still be much better
the only communism in this time and era is luxury communism tbqh. all labor could have been replaced ages ago
Art gets created because people have a desire to express themselves creatively. There are millions of amateur artists who create art despite the fact they will never receive a cent for their work.
The only thing profit motivates is the creation of an endless stream of low-quality sequels, soulless films, and addictive games designed to trick kids into spending their parents' money.
Most of the great artists in history died poor.
When something beautifully animated and directed like Nichijou can be a financial flop while stupid trash like Bayformers continues to rake in money, how can you claim that the profit motive is beneficial?
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10 internet points for anyone who can find the revleft thread on bourgeois video gaming lmao
Get good faggot
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People already make this shit for fun because gaymers know what they want more than a board of execs does.
And hell, even a huge company like Blizzard would be perfectly fine if the workers owned the means of production.
we're going to have FALC this century. if people want to make a game without a big budget, they'll just be able to live off their basic income while they make it.
It would be work. The point is people would be free to do what work they wanted, and most would have more than one occupation.
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Unless we do away with money entirely and switch over to an AI-controlled distribution system, a basic income of some kind would still be necessary.
Then why do people make free games and mods?
If animation only exists for profit, then why did people release shit on newgrounds and youtube long before they could make ad money off of it?
People literally already do it for no money, why would this be less possible in a socialist society? Is spending millions on rushed games or anime they have to completely redraw between TV and home release a good thing? Have large budgets and the profit motive really given you better games and anime?
basic income, rations, whatever. why not market FALC?
Personally i hope we can keep talentless bimbos dancing for teenage boys. I consider that a highlight of my memories of being a teenage boy and also of being a young actress.
On a more serious note, when art is expressing the soul of the creator there will still be pro-capitalist elements in that art as some people will pine for capitalism, both people that experienced it and people that did not. Reaction will not cease to exist after the revolution.
Red Faction 2 was about how those kind of revolutions inevitably put another dictator in charge though and was complete bullshit.
Red Faction Guerilla was about how "big government is the real evil" and the fourth one is about zombies or something? It lost its message fast.
ding ding ding
What do you think communism even is?
Because that makes no sense. The whole point of FALC is that whatever you want, you can get it because there's no scarcity.
Cool, 50 Dyson Spheres please.
You can't have a world without scarcity for things that physically cannot exist. What kind of material would you even make a dyson sphere from? Its like asking for 50 unicorns!
That's fine. They won't be very big though.
Thats how Valve runs they're company
vimeo.com
And they say workers cant own the means of production.
Every single one of those "workers" is just a manager exploiting the surplus value of developers and the one guy who does the steam client coding.
They don't even make games anymore! Fuck they don't even make hats anymore!
ABYSSAL UNDERLORD WHEN?
THEY DONT KNOW ANYTHING COMPARED TO A BOARD OF EXECS WHERE IS HALF LIFE 3
Valve is the worst possible example. Look at the shit they started doing once they gave control of the company over to the workers.
>Now let's take our game with the most beautiful and consistent design and aesthetics and pack it full of bullshit microtransactions for new weapons and accessories that ruin the game's look and let's make it free to play, flooding the servers with morons who have no idea how the game works.
Oh and also this
post-scarcity doesn't mean "INFINITE SHIT," it just means "we definitely have enough for everyone's needs." a market could still be established in FALC to make distribution more efficient.
Wouldnt it be more efficient to just have people put in orders for stuff that there isnt already enough of to go around and be put in a queue? Why a market?
if anything that describes pre-scarcity pretty well
It was made a WHOLE year later
Which are super optional, you gain get items from just playing the game or trading
It's not optional that you end up in a game where some kid bought a ton of shit with his mom's credit card and keeps throwing gimmicky bullshit at you, while wearing some obnoxious hat.
Which added new and better content for it, where Madden and FIFA barely do.
Also jesus, are you really that shitty at the game that you can't kill a single kid player?
So, you mean coopts within capitalism don't work, cause they do bussiness on the same terms as capitalists?
Hmmmmmmmmmm….
Anyway..
Humans don't create for profit. This is litteraly A L I E N A T I O N.
We create for the fun of it. And capitalism is creating shit products, cause it's just for profit.
Should Bioshock Infinite be a shooting galery?
Should Rome 2 be on Empire's engine?
Should we have CoD every year?
Should all the movies be recycled old movies?
No.
This are all products of PROFIT.
Capitalism is hurting vidya.
Capitalism is slowing down progress.
Only in socialism will the dev be free to create what he wants and make it as good as it can be.
Now, sure, early on the graffics will be shit, but if all you want is grafics you deserve to be exploited.
I'm assuming that in this far future world where we have completely eliminated scarcity, we've made some advances in material science as well.
You just need thin solar sail material with a high tensile strength. Make a big balloon out of that with some holes to balance inward and outward forces, then suspend your habitable structures from the inside.
Anyway, my point was that it will always be possible to make requests which cannot reasonably be fulfilled. Just pick any mundane object and keep adding zeros to the quantity until it exceeds the capacity of your factories.
Money is one way to filter excessive requests. Another way would be to give each person an allocation of matter/energy/time in the communally owned auto-factories. Or you could just have an AI analyze each request and decide based on merit.
Post scarcity relates to things you need. You do not need a dyson sphere as an individual, its like saying "well i want to rule the human race, its post scarcity you should be able to give me that".
No, there will never be an object with anything close that kind of tensile strength, such a substance would be literally impossible to exist. Nothing can ever hold that kind of tensile strength. At least some kind of orbiting dyson array might be possible.
What the fuck? Why would money be the only way? Because its the only way you know? Just putting it in a queue on a first come first serve basis with duplicates not being added to the queue until you receive your first one (or pack of them, if the object or service in question only functions in groups) would be more than enough. If some asshole wants a dyson sphere, he just has to wait until the first one is done to get his first, then wait for every other dyson sphere lover to get one before he gets his second. That solves unreasonable requests with ease and means that as our production technology advances and we can develop surplus or complete the queues faster we can be able to increasingly actually grant the insane requests of these madmen,
The original point was that basic income would be nonsensical within FALC. Basic needs would be accounted for without some kind of monetary system. You would simply receive whatever food, clothing, housing, etc. that you need. If you want a market on top of that, that's another question, but if we have FALC there is no reason why we would need to distribute basic needs according to arbitrary monetary value instead of just giving them their basic needs.
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If there's any reason the revolution won't come is that most of their supporters want to imagine anarchist/communist life as it already is now, only more comfortable. In other words, for these revolutionaries communism = capitalism without capitalism.
I'll grant you that we'll probably never see any conventional matter made of ordinary atoms with that kind of strength.
We've barely scratched the surface of what is possible with exotic particles though. If I thought I'd live long enough to cash out, I'd happily bet that we'll develop materials like that in the future.
You didn't read my post. I listed various options.
The advantage of money is that it lets people choose between things of equivalent cost to produce. Of course money is an abstraction which implicitly assumes that our capacity to produce different things can be compared using a single value.
Unless you plan to force everyone to receive exactly the same types of food and clothing, you're going to have to find some metric to compare the relative production costs of different items. Money isn't the only way to do this, but whatever option you choose you're still going to have some numeric cost(s) associated with items and people will have to choose items such that the cost(s) are below a threshold.
not sure why you're posting a herman göring picture with that, but yeah, nazis agree
Fuck me, I already have hundreds of hours in that game from testing mod compatibility alone. I finally stopped a year ago, and now the fucking high def model and texture mods should be able to run without making the game shit itself.
I don't wanna go back, but I feel like I have to.
I take it that nobody ever will watch it even under communism
Its about making it less about money making, less about wasteful viral PR campaigns that are tailored for a small minority, not about making it entirely insipid, worthless, untasteful and christian-friendly
This is the mistake of all leftist media, attempting to make things differently from the rest, without caring about what makes the rest watchable and playable
If we take into considering the amount of resources (both in general and through surplus value exploitation) that are ultimately extracted by the capitalist/ruling class purely for its own sake, the standard of living enjoyed by the working class would be equal to what we currently have, if not slightly better. Obviously there would be a post-revolutionary period of resource rationing as the economy is reorganized into some manner of socialist styling. Beyond that though, why would it be so outlandish to think that the workers, having taken upon themselves the role of economic and political self-management, would be incapable of meeting the standards from a time when much of the value they created was stolen away instead of being received directly for their own benefit?
I remember reading somewhere about Marx's defense of freedom of the press, which I think applies just as well to artistic expression. The tl;dr is that the press, in order to be truly free, must be free from the market.
Most people I know who like making games do it out of the love of video games.
Look at Space Station 13. it's free to play and literally thousands of people have contributed to it over years and years for literally no other reason than the love of the game.
Agreed. Kind of a weird example, but I used to be part of the Pokémon fangame development scene, and you would not believe how many people were making these fanmade pokemon games even though they knew they would make no money from it.
Game development is fucking fun tbh. In a society where people have near unlimited free time, we'd see a lot more vidya than we do now imo
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please jump off your nearest cliff
Wtf is FALC?
I made a video on this a while ago actually. I know people are gonna hate on me for shilling but it's relevant to the thread so I think it's ok.
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY COMMUNISM
you are required to say it like that
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Yo Xexizy, in what subject are you studying?
male modelling
Currently taking my a levels in maths, physics and chemistry. Chemistry is cancer by this point, they somehow sucked all the fun out of drugs, physics isnt great but bearable, maths is just legit fun to do. After that I'm going to uni, hopefully Southampton, to study Physics. Uni physics is basically all A level maths but with actual applications, unlike uni maths.
