What are the various posters' of Holla Forums's thoughts on international...

What are the various posters' of Holla Forums's thoughts on international, communist organizations like the Third and Fourth International? Are international groups like them fundamental to revolution? According to your opinions, what went wrong with each? Do you think there's any actual chance/need for a Fifth International?

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Marx killed the international forever.

There has been no bigger threat to socialism than Marxism, at least not historically.

stay mad anarchokiddies

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Stopped reading right there, you must have missed the part where the Czar was deposed by the workers and shot and the White Movement was defeated in the civil war.

The Czar lost any and all real power to the Februrary revolution, which was not Marxist in nature at all.
The Bolsheviks were not in power until after the October coup.
Plus, the Red Army got BTFO really hard and had to have the Black Army protect it while it regrouped in Moscow.

That not to forget that none of them abolished class-struggle either.

Not the anarchist you are replying to but I just cant stand your shitty image you posted. Lenin was very much against Great Russian chauvinism (for example his stance on Georgian nationalism during the end of his life)

Also the majority of Socialist Realism paintings are shit, including the one you posted. Since when was Lenin known to have christmas with kids?

fuck off stalinist

You unconsciously like to repeat anti-communist propaganda do you?

Funny that he refused to acknowlege Ukrainian identity and consistently called them "south Russians" then.


Yeah. A coup. A few bolshies walked in and just took over the state and used it to exploit the workers.
A coup.

same moron:

I know that people that are confused can't realize that they are, but dude, just listen for once: you are very confused.

Communists (anarchist or Marxist) don't want to "abolish class struggle."

Got it?

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Yes, yes he does.

Can we ban Menshevik apologetics, please?

Yes.
Yes we do. That's sorta the point.
To end class-contradictions, the driver of history, shaper of societies and exploiter of the masses.
It's like saying we don't want to abolish both the bourgeoisie and the proletarian.

Of course we do.

We want neither workers nor owners, but worker-owners. To do so is to end class-struggle.

Mensheviks would probably not have need quite as bad; after all, the super-exploitation they saw in the USSR was pretty terrifying even in comparison to modern liberalism.

into the garbage it goes

you dense mother fucker
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_conflict

First sentence on that page:

>Class conflict, frequently referred to as class warfare or class struggle, is the tension or antagonism which exists in society due to competing socioeconomic interests and desires between people of different classes.

Meaning that the only way to get rid of class struggle is to do what?

class society → antagonism → class struggle → abolishment of class society → no more basis for class struggle

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Which means that the only way to abolish class struggle is to do what?

Are you retarded? Class struggle is a consequence of class society, it's also a possible opening for transcending it, thus we don't want to abolish it.

As a consequence of class-society, is it present without classes?
Is it possible to get rid off while keeping class society when it "exists in society due to competing socioeconomic interests and desires between people of different classes"?

But let me go even more retarded-tier:
There are two rooms: A & B. We are in room A. We want to open up the walls, separating the two rooms so we get one big room cosy for everyone, but the tools for it are in room B. There is a door between the two rooms. You are saying that we should "abolish" the door.

Do you understand how little sense that makes?

just shut the fuck up and lurk more you dense idiot

Class struggle is not revolution.
Class-struggle is the competing economic interests between two classes. The struggle exists whether you resist the system or not.

troll

Why do we want to abolish Class society? Simply because of classes themselves or the inherent struggles between them?

Does any of this change the fact that the USSR didn't get rid of class-antagonisms within it?

Are you autistic?

Would me being austistic change the fact that to abolish the system where I must try to keep my wages as high as possible, while a capitalist must keep his profits as high as possible (the materialist struggle of classes) is to abolish class struggle?

it would certainly explain your behaviour

Only austists make substative arguments?

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They are the closest we've ever come.

I never knew it was possible for someone to sage their own thread.

Source?