Leftypol

Lincoln Lee
Lincoln Lee

How could you become more pathetic than /leftypol/?

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marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/dec/30.htm

Lucas Gutierrez
Lucas Gutierrez

Your sperging is hilarious, /pol/. You're just afraid because you know you're losing.

Benjamin Morris
Benjamin Morris

Probably by spamming leftypol hate threads on Holla Forums
We should get a designated /pol/ vs /lrftypol/ thread to contain this garbage

Alexander Wilson
Alexander Wilson

Shit, man, you sure you didn't got a bonus chromosome after spying on these deranged queers?

Andrew King
Andrew King

they think they are winning

Anthony Wright
Anthony Wright

LEFTYCUCKS ON SUICIDE WATCH!!

Tyler Walker
Tyler Walker

It is funny how super triggered /leftypol/ gets. I love making these bait threads.

Easton Rivera
Easton Rivera

haha, i piss of everyone!
workers paradise soon!
???

Luke Watson
Luke Watson

tfw you see what jews did to retards
tfw you ain't even mad

Andrew Martinez
Andrew Martinez

anyone else wanna groupread jewish scripture? pretty sure this is the final redpill to swallow

Camden Wright
Camden Wright

Fucking delusional faggots. "Porky controls the world!" they say while they fall for the kike's tricks

Jack Hill
Jack Hill

Ashkenazi Jews are the master race, so sacrificing my European heritage for the benefit of Israel and the Jews is an honorary sacrifice.

Dylan Thompson
Dylan Thompson

t.JIDF

Kayden Foster
Kayden Foster

yw bby, wanna cyber???? ^_^

Alexander Collins
Alexander Collins

lol do u know why muslims would not touch you?
because you are a fucking PIG

Brandon Howard
Brandon Howard

/leftypol/ was porky this whole time

Jonathan Gomez
Jonathan Gomez

ayy where da gommunism at

Justin Wood
Justin Wood

hey kids, wanna be socialists?
buy this che t-shirt, das kapital and this starbucks
workers paradise soon ;^)))

Ryder White
Ryder White

hey user, why are you saving pics of /leftypols/'s BO ?

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore

hey /leftypol/, why are so triggered about anons saving pics of your bo?

Brayden Robinson
Brayden Robinson

2017
not being or into sweet bishie sex
If you ain't into traps then there is no hope for your survival.

Tyler Powell
Tyler Powell

t.kike

Hudson Collins
Hudson Collins

obligatory bump

Landon Fisher
Landon Fisher

the child defiantly declares that he's big enough to beat his father now
Respect your elders you little shit.

Elijah Sanchez
Elijah Sanchez

Tumblr and post trump 4/pol/

JIDF was literally just one guy

William Long
William Long

Keep telling yourself that stupid.

Ethan Ramirez
Ethan Ramirez

but trump is still in office…

Charles Lee
Charles Lee

y-you're l-losing

Henry Martin
Henry Martin

Well, yeah. Side effect of t-blockers, dude.

Jaxon Thompson
Jaxon Thompson

lol

Levi Ward
Levi Ward

(i'm laughing @ u /leftypol/ btw not w you)

Julian Reed
Julian Reed

she's still tripfagging

Justin Cook
Justin Cook

That poor asshole is going to wake up in seven years and kill himself due to all the shame he's causing himself. What the fuck is wrong with these people? I'm angry out of pity. How lost some people are. What the fuck.

How is this something to be proud about? Regardless of your political orientation. Shit, you guys are so deluded. I bet you've never even lived or worked in a communist country. You little shits have no idea about the horrors. Faggots like these would be offed in a microsecond because the state does not have the money to help special snowflakes. You either get with the program or die. I don't understand how you can defend one thing that contradicts the very opposite of which you support. And this is why people are calling the left mentally ill.

Jose Gray
Jose Gray

its getting kind of sad now

Bentley Stewart
Bentley Stewart

What's the story between those two? Ukrainian soldier and Russian soldier in Crimea posting on dvach on the same day?

Cooper Brooks
Cooper Brooks

this thread again

Why do /pol/tards have to ruin every board they touch?

Jonathan Bell
Jonathan Bell

Man says "God I wish that were me" referring to picture of a little twink
So afraid.

Austin Watson
Austin Watson

everyone hates us
this is proof of the righteousness of our actions
not that we're a bunch of faggots

Asher Miller
Asher Miller

Remember, if it actually happens, they'll be the first ones to go.
But luckily the most they'll do is get to instate some obamacare tier shit.

Michael Davis
Michael Davis

being this assblasted everyone thinks you're a joke

Josiah Jenkins
Josiah Jenkins

tfw /leftypol/ still uses the shit "porky" insult to this day
Gee, I wonder why. Could it be that they're a bunch of asshurt muslims/jews (or sympathizers)? And if it isn't true, why do they keep using such a terrible insult? Why do all communists also think of muslims as an ally? Oh right, because you're just some braindead mudslime/kike that wants to destroy the entire human civilization just so you can have an attempt at power. Why else do they also say that "communism can only work once when capitalism is gone globally?" And that's the funny thing too, communist Russia collapsed all on its own, there wasn't a single bullet fired at them from a capitalist country. IN FACT, capitalism was why the beast survived for so long. Ideological and stupid politicians kept feeding the country through massive grain deals. Don't believe me? Just look at the Great Grain Robbery.

Jason Hernandez
Jason Hernandez

Porky = Jews, and both of you are idiots for not realizing that you hate the same shit.

Eli Myers
Eli Myers

hate the same shit
What? You mean /leftypol/ being envious of anyone ahead of themselves and thus wanting to steal from them? Do you know what they mean by "take the means of production"? It means to steal what others made. Ever wonder why they came up with take the "memes of production" and just end up stealing /pol/ memes and half assedly put their own shit on it? /pol/ is against a very small minority group (jews) plundering their hands in countries that they don't belong to/ruling over them. However, /leftypol/ is against anyone who is better off than they are. There were rich people in nazi germany and none of /pol/ would stop that from happening, as long as it doesn't end up hurting the nation. In other words, to be responsibly rich. Whereas /leftypol/ wants impossible equality (utter bullshit) among everyone. So, I ask you, how does /leftypol/ and /pol/ stand for the same shit again?

Nathaniel Butler
Nathaniel Butler

btw I'm a mod XDDDD
sums up everything else wrong with your post.

Landon Green
Landon Green

Using discord
They deserved ridicule tbh

Why do all communists also think of muslims as an ally?
implying /leftypol/ hasn't aided YPG funding and recruiting efforts to give ISIS some pro bono lead lobotomies
implying we're liberals

Why else do they also say that "communism can only work once when capitalism is gone globally?"
Because, by definition, communist society can't coexist with a state. Read a book.

dude ussr lmao xd
They were a state capitalist regime LARPing as revolutionaries since 1924

you should ignore bourgies if they're not also jews
No.

Do you know what they mean by "take the means of production"?
Transferring industry to democratic ownership by the workers themselves.

It means to steal what others made.
That's literally the foundation of capitalism and wage labor but okay.

However, /leftypol/ is against anyone who is better off than they are.
Whether you have lots of money or not doesn't matter. How you made that money does. Do you think doctors and engineers are bourgeois just because they're well-paid?

Whereas /leftypol/ wants impossible equality (utter bullshit) among everyone
The "equality" meme is one of the more irritating strawmen /pol/tards keep bringing up. Regardless of how liberals and redditors use it, the only tangible equality that can exist is in terms of political power and economic opportunity. Absolute equality in every way, shape, or form isn't real, and isn't relevant to socialism.

tldr; blatantly lying about what leftism actually is just makes you guys look even more childish and retarded.

Jackson Davis
Jackson Davis

can't wait for all the tranny suicides in 10 years

Alexander Nguyen
Alexander Nguyen

This is now a dubs thread.

Austin Sanders
Austin Sanders

Because, by definition, communist society can't coexist with a state.
Equivocation fallacy
muh only "ancoms are real communists"
Then capitalism of today isn't real capitalism either by those standards. Unless, of course you're a double standard nigger.
Read a book.
Not an argument.
They were a state capitalist regime LARPing as revolutionaries since 1924
You have no proof of that claim.
Transferring industry to democratic ownership by the workers themselves.
implying stealing memes isn't what take "the memes of production is"
But ok fine. I'll give you a little story.
People vote on ownership of industry
Since a tad over half of the population voted on something, they get to dictate what happens to the other side
Meanwhile one side takes more of the labor and leaves some minorities that voted differently to starve
and so the democide begins
That's literally the foundation of capitalism and wage labor but okay.
Not an argument. But, it isn't theft since the worker agreed to hand over what they produced for money to buy things with. Otherwise, producing something and just keeping it, isn't actually going to help you. There would be no meaning in producing two thousand tooth brushes a day and not trading it away so you can actually live. But, nevermind that though, keep being retarded and go by your own definition of "stealing/exploitation".
Whether you have lots of money or not doesn't matter. How you made that money does. Do you think doctors and engineers are bourgeois just because they're well-paid?
To you they are.
the only tangible equality that can exist is in terms of political power and economic opportunity.
Is it now? How can you possibly go against the natural occurrence of hierarchy in a human society?
tldr; blatantly lying about what leftism actually is just makes you guys look even more childish and retarded.
No one lied about leftism camel jockey.

Jose Sullivan
Jose Sullivan

Be the standard government-dick-sucking republican christians that think Israel is America's greatest ally and love corporations. As a "conservative" i'm glad that breed of republicuck is going away, although these modern day pussy centrists aren't much better.

Jonathan Roberts
Jonathan Roberts

Also to add, if "ancommunism" is actually anarchism, how do you force the entire world to accept your ideology? With (((democracy?))) Force? Because, it sounds awfully too authoritarian to be called anarchism.

Connor Allen
Connor Allen

So much cringe

Evan Nguyen
Evan Nguyen

muh only "ancoms are real communists"
No, they're not, and I never said that. Communism is stateless by definition. Both Marxist and anarchists seek to abolish the state, it's just that anarkiddies have a very broad and ambiguous definition of what that means.

You have no proof of that claim.
markets
wage labor
commodity production for exchange
This is precisely what Marx criticized capitalism for. The state having a monopoly over everything doesn't magically create socialism.

implying stealing memes isn't what take "the memes of production is"
being this triggered over revolutionary meme détournement

Meanwhile one side takes more of the labor and leaves some minorities that voted differently to starve
Yeah, 51% of people will get together and unanimously decide to essentially kill off the other 49% of their workforce. Sounds reasonable.

But, it isn't theft since the worker agreed to hand over what they produced for money to buy things with.
But the point is that the money they're given doesn't and can't reflect the full value of their labor. With the capitalist out of the picture, every bit of value that isn't reinvested into production goes to the worker.

To you they are.
That's not how it works. Read Marx.

Is it now? How can you possibly go against the natural occurrence of hierarchy in a human society?
What does this have to do with hierarchy? Social status will always exist in one way or another regardless of mode of production.

No one lied about leftism camel jockey.
You literally just said that doctors and engineers are bourgeois, you disingenuous asshat.

win a revolution
hope the rest of the world follows suit
they don't
you get invaded
This applies to every flavor of anarchism.

Caleb Bell
Caleb Bell

You literally just said that doctors and engineers are bourgeois,
lol this is where the commies start to fall apart

Kayden Ortiz
Kayden Ortiz

I know reading isn't your strong suit, but at least try to finish the whole post before making a reply.

Christopher James
Christopher James

.

Asher Walker
Asher Walker

just keep parroting your pseudo garbage

Isaiah Collins
Isaiah Collins

No, they're not, and I never said that. Communism is stateless by definition. Both Marxist and anarchists seek to abolish the state
First pic related. Oh boy, that was a tough one.
This is precisely what Marx criticized capitalism for. The state having a monopoly over everything doesn't magically create socialism.
But they were advocates for communism and
Again, just because it has a state doesn't magically make it not communism. You can say ancommunism is abolishes the state until you are blue in the face but communism is not inherently stateless. No system is.
Yeah, 51% of people will get together and unanimously decide to essentially kill off the other 49% of their workforce. Sounds reasonable.
No, I said MINORITY group you understand? A minority within the losing side. Trying to force the entire other side starve to death would not give the winning party power. However, killing small niche minority groups would and would ensure they'd win the next election.
But the point is that the money they're given doesn't and can't reflect the full value of their labor. With the capitalist out of the picture, every bit of value that isn't reinvested into production goes to the worker.
According to communists, workers create a product and then the bosses sell that product at a profit, thus "stealing" from the workers. There are issues with this. To begin, if the bosses are adding nothing themselves and it is the labourers who do everything, why do the workers not work for themselves? The answer is, of course, that the bosses often provide something integral to the creation of value (such as the tools necessary for a job). Thus the value of the product produced cannot entirely be attributed to the workers, contrary to what communists believe.

Furthermore, the theory becomes harder to support when you examine a more complicated situation. What about a car being created on a factory line, where multiple workers contributed to the end product? How much is being stolen from each worker? The same? What if some jobs were more important or labor intensive than others? Communists probably couldn't give you an answer, but they'd still allege that the workers were being stolen from.
That's not how it works.
What is up with this commies and saying "read this [book]" Like we're going to read a whole fucking just to look for one argument. Having to go through a mass of ideas that are already known. You're pretty asking me to look for sources to prove you right. If you're going to make a claim at least provide a DIRECT source to the page or provide the quote. Do you really expect people to take care of your- OOOOOOOH WAIT.
What does this have to do with hierarchy? Social status will always exist in one way or another regardless of mode of production.
To most anarchists (including ancoms), think that having any form of hierarchy is exploitative and not egalitarianism.
You literally just said that doctors and engineers are bourgeois, you disingenuous asshat.
Then what is a bourgeouis? Again, it sounds far too subjective and thus bullshit.
win a revolution
hope the rest of the world follows suit
they don't
you get invaded
This applies to every flavor of anarchism.
Then that's not anarchism then. Using force as a means to make "anarchism" a thing isn't anarchism, sorry.

Hudson Gonzalez
Hudson Gonzalez

I probably should have included the proper definition of bourgeois.

In Marxist terminology, class is determined by relationship to the means of production. That is, what role you play in how commodities are made. Essentially, you make your money by selling your labor, you're a worker. If you make your money passively by virtue of owning private property, you're bourgeois. Doctors and engineers are paid very well, but they make their living from selling their labor like any other worker.

Not an argument.

Nicholas Murphy
Nicholas Murphy

First pic related. Oh boy, that was a tough one.
I don't know how to tell you this, but the Marriam-Webster dictionary isn't the best place to get in-depth leftist theory. It's almost like dictionaries define words based on their popular, colloquial usage rather than technical meaning.

Again, just because it has a state doesn't magically make it not communism. You can say ancommunism is abolishes the state until you are blue in the face but communism is not inherently stateless. No system is.
Communism as a movement is not stateless. Communism as a mode of production is classless, and by extension, is stateless in Marxist terms.

However, killing small niche minority groups would and would ensure they'd win the next election.
People generally don't take genocide lightly. If it were some sort of representative democracy like you're suggesting, I don't think most people would vote for someone who tries to kill off their opposition.

Thus the value of the product produced cannot entirely be attributed to the workers, contrary to what communists believe.
Except for the fact that other workers are responsible for building the tools/workplaces necessary for the job in the first place. The capitalist seems to add value only by proxy.

What about a car being created on a factory line, where multiple workers contributed to the end product? How much is being stolen from each worker? The same? What if some jobs were more important or labor intensive than others?
I mean you could go ahead and calculate the socially-necessary labor time for every worker's individual task, but I don't see why it matters.

What is up with this commies and saying "read this [book]" Like we're going to read a whole fucking just to look for one argument.
Yeah, I know it's a bad habit. But I tried to summarize it here

To most anarchists (including ancoms), think that having any form of hierarchy is exploitative and not egalitarianism.
I'm not an anarchist and don't really understand the hate-boner for having any sort of boss.

Then what is a bourgeouis? Again, it sounds far too subjective and thus bullshit.
Here But any sociological designation is going to be subjective to some degree. It's not a clear-cut either/or distinction either. The petty-bourgeoisie, lumpenproletariat, and labor aristocracy are also important class distinctions that don't fit neatly into the worker/capitalist dichotomy.

Xavier Flores
Xavier Flores

okay, niggers, responding to every single point in someone's post doesn't provide a good reading experience. it's boring as fuck. focus on one important point and argue against that.

No one is gonna read your shit if it's so long. You won't make up anyone's mind.

Keep it short.

Aaron Reyes
Aaron Reyes

t. incorrect

Jordan Gutierrez
Jordan Gutierrez

You are a faggot and as such are retarded

Brayden Anderson
Brayden Anderson

you should ignore a majority of the other guy's points because I don't like reading
Fuck off

t. assblasted cuckitalist

Ryan Miller
Ryan Miller

I don't know how to tell you this, but the Marriam-Webster dictionary isn't the best place to get in-depth leftist theory. It's almost like dictionaries define words based on their popular, colloquial usage rather than technical meaning.
Theory does not always translate into a definition. As for the technical meaning give me a direct source otherwise I'll believe you're bullshitting.
inb4 wikipedia as a legitimate source that can be written by anyone.
Communism as a mode of production is classless, and by extension, is stateless in Marxist terms.
Now, I'll give you Marxism is stateless, but not all communism is. You really think there is no difference between say: feudalism, Mercantilism, and free market capitalism? Holding yourself to standards such as "it can only be stateless", is unfair as that would be like all forms of capitalism have to be the first form of capitalism???
People generally don't take genocide lightly. If it were some sort of representative democracy like you're suggesting, I don't think most people would vote for someone who tries to kill off their opposition.
hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
Well they happen all the time, so…
Except for the fact that other workers are responsible for building the tools/workplaces necessary for the job in the first place. The capitalist seems to add value only by proxy.
But they do add value. If the "capitalist" can't find a way to sell his product, he can't give back to the workers the fruit of their labor. So, I believe that this "CEOs do absolutely nothing" is not true even of the slightest. They also have to coordinate the factories, as not having a boss would be disastrous and people would not do there job right.
I mean you could go ahead and calculate the socially-necessary labor time for every worker's individual task, but I don't see why it matters.
But how do you factor in how hard people work? There really is no way of factoring that in mate. And to me at least, is exploitation as someone else is working harder than you and getting the same for there labor.
I'm not an anarchist and don't really understand the hate-boner for having any sort of boss.
It's because they're overly paranoid and anti-authority.

Ian Taylor
Ian Taylor

im from leftypol and every time i come to this board because im bored i see threads about /leftypol/

talk about obsession

literally just read marx lol

Daniel Sullivan
Daniel Sullivan

Theory does not always translate into a definition. As for the technical meaning give me a direct source otherwise I'll believe you're bullshitting.
Now, I'll give you Marxism is stateless, but not all communism is.
<In the second place it must be a classless society, not a society in which the two halves are at eternal enmity one with the other; it must not be a society in which one class exploits the other. Now a society in which there are no classes, and in which production is organized, can only be a society of comrades, a communist society based upon labour.
<We have previously seen that the State is a class organization of the rulers. The State is always directed by one class against the other. A bourgeois State is directed against the proletariat, whereas a proletarian State is directed against the bourgeoisie. In the communist social order there are neither landlords, nor capitalists, nor wage workers; there are simply people - comrades. If there are no classes, then there is no class war, and there are no class organizations. Consequently the State has ceased to exist. Since there is no class war, the State has become superfluous. There is no one to be held in restraint, and there is no one to impose restraint.
marxists.org/archive/bukharin/works/1920/abc/03.htm

You really think there is no difference between say: feudalism, Mercantilism, and free market capitalism?
U wot? I never even implied this, though they are all different forms of class society.

hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
How many of those governments were legitimate democracies?

So, I believe that this "CEOs do absolutely nothing" is not true even of the slightest. They also have to coordinate the factories, as not having a boss would be disastrous and people would not do there job right.
It's not that they do absolutely nothing, but what is essentially a managerial position doesn't entitle you to a vast majority of the value created by the guy on the assembly line making products you didn't lift a finger to produce.
And "bosses" aren't the same as "bourgeois"

But how do you factor in how hard people work? There really is no way of factoring that in mate. And to me at least, is exploitation as someone else is working harder than you and getting the same for there labor.
People who work hard make the product under the socially-necessary labor time – meaning they make more products and thus create more value per hour of labor – or increase the quality of the product, increasing its exchange-value.

Jason Russell
Jason Russell

kek

Ian Gomez
Ian Gomez

Always remember, there are several /pol/ discords

the now-disgraced /pol/ nation, and the invite-only Outer Heaven.

Asher Hall
Asher Hall

implying /leftypol/ can be racist
t. doubt

Jayden Sanders
Jayden Sanders

Even cucks can be racist user. They call black people niggers all the time and rarely think of black people as anything more than a tool they use to fuck their wives when they can't do it themselves for some reason. In fact, the least racist people on that planet, in my opinion, are probably cuckservatives. The democratic party holds black people down with welfare and unchecked crime, for example. Communists and national socialists both want all races to work towards a common goal, except jews of course for natsoc. Protip; everyone is racist except for disgusting capitalist jews who see everyone as cattle equally and themselves as the future. This is called supremacy, and yes it is racist but they don't divide other races into nice little "X is good, Y is better, Z is shit" charts. Instead it is "goyim are vermin"

Aiden Peterson
Aiden Peterson

This is whenever I see /leftypol/ try to defend themselves and their degeneracy, in regards to OP's posts

Hunter Davis
Hunter Davis

Not racist

Michael Cruz
Michael Cruz

YOU'RE A FUCKING WHITE MALE!!!

Tyler Gutierrez
Tyler Gutierrez

Moot was right, chanology was a mistake, gamergate was a mistake, Holla Forums was a mistake.
Activism is what has made imageboards mainstream, and anybody who encourages it here is cancer.

Connor Davis
Connor Davis

moot was sucking SJW balls fuck that faggot

Asher Sullivan
Asher Sullivan

moot sold us all out for whatever reason
maybe he wanted prestige, or was too scared to stand up for his own beliefs.

also i am this guy

Jacob Kelly
Jacob Kelly

also i am this guy
No you're not.

Adrian Cook
Adrian Cook

my bad i'm the guy he responded to

Benjamin Stewart
Benjamin Stewart

These guys…

Caleb Ross
Caleb Ross

They were a state capitalist regime LARPing as revolutionaries since 1924
They had fixed wages, the means of production directed by socialists, and no private property. It was most definitely, at the very very least, a socialist country.

Cooper Ramirez
Cooper Ramirez

no commie will ever accept this fact.
99.99% of the time someone will always rule over the ants.

Juan Myers
Juan Myers

But as I mentioned before, they had wage labor, markets, capital, and production of commodities for exchange, which are exactly what Marx criticized capitalism the most for. Lenin called his economic policy state capitalism because that's what it was: the state taking control of industry and running it as if it were a capitalist, trying to make profits which could then be reinvested into building up industry and infrastructure.

It wasn't until after Stalin took power that the USSR considered their economic system to be bona fide socialism.

Noah Hughes
Noah Hughes

It wasn't until after Stalin took power that the USSR considered their economic system to be bona fide socialism.

you stalin told them what to say and do

Liam Mitchell
Liam Mitchell

*you mean stalin*

Gabriel Johnson
Gabriel Johnson

Yeah, pretty much. Saying he already achieved socialism was just a publicity stunt to placate the people and give his regime more legitimacy.

Joshua Carter
Joshua Carter

Like I said, it's at the least socialism.
Lenin called his economic policy state capitalism
Source?
the state taking control of industry and running it as if it were a capitalist, trying to make profits which could then be reinvested into building up industry and infrastructure.
Well, there is such thing as Laissez-faire capitalism (meaning the state stays out of economic affairs in a country). Also, both capitalist countries and socialist ones have taxes.
But, it's still socialism?

Jaxson Parker
Jaxson Parker

The proletarian state may, without changing its own nature, permit freedom to trade and the development of capitalism only within certain bounds, and only on the condition that the state regulates (supervises, controls, determines the forms and methods of, etc.) private trade and private capitalism.

The transfer of state enterprises to the so-called profit basis is inevitably and inseparably connected with the New Economic Policy; in the near future this is bound to become the predominant, if not the sole, form of state enterprise. In actual fact, this means that with the free market now permitted and developing the state enterprises will to a large extent be put on a commercial basis.

As long as classes exist, the class struggle is inevitable. In the period of transition from capitalism to socialism the existence of classes is inevitable; and the Programme of the Russian Communist Party definitely states that we are taking only the first steps in the transition from capitalism to socialism. Hence, the Communist Party, the Soviet government and the trade unions must frankly admit the existence of an economic struggle and its inevitability until the electrification of industry and agriculture is completed—at least in the main—and until small production and the supremacy of the market are thereby cut off at the roots.
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/dec/30.htm

But, it's still socialism?
A Stalinist would say so. But since it retains practically all characteristics of capitalism except with more government control, I'd say no.

Gavin Mitchell
Gavin Mitchell

Bs, wtf caused so many fags at leftypol? The leftist fag chan movement?

Jaxson Murphy
Jaxson Murphy

Please stop false flagging and showing off your traps. Nobody cares. Literally the only politics board worth a damn on this site is now /liberty/.

Justin Moore
Justin Moore

/leftypol/ deserves all of the gas chambers
Im glad these faggots got exposed.

Jacob Lewis
Jacob Lewis

tfw based centrist

Christian Powell
Christian Powell

Pussy* centrist

Jeremiah Diaz
Jeremiah Diaz

USSR isn't real socialism
Committed commies can't even build a socialist economy after killing all their opposition.

But if they were really communists, it would have worked! Despite that socialist economies have to be built up totalitarian control, unlike capitalist markets build up naturally!

I'd like to see how you rationalize how a true socialist society, the Khmer Rouge Cambodia isn't a failure or isn't true socialism

Xavier Davis
Xavier Davis

well at least we agree with something
thats probably about it.

your classless society will never exist though.

Kevin Smith
Kevin Smith

I'd like to see how you rationalize how a true socialist society, the Khmer Rouge Cambodia isn't a failure or isn't true socialism
Read the rest of the thread. Stalin fanboys think socialism is capitalism + government monopoly. They didn't even abolish wage labor before declaring that they achieved socialism ffs

It existed for the first 35,000 years of human history but okay.
inb4 it's impossible now that we have modern technology like automation and the internet

Anthony Reyes
Anthony Reyes

literally no one cares or is reading your gay bullshit

Samuel King
Samuel King

But it looks like you cared enough to bother replying to me

Kevin Gutierrez
Kevin Gutierrez

/pol/ calls left-wing snowflakes
yet will refuse to read anything that doesn't agree with their echo chamber hugbox

Really makes you think.

Owen Howard
Owen Howard

cute cat can be fixed with the capital D

Thomas Turner
Thomas Turner

It existed for the first 35,000 years of human history but okay.
35,000 years ago there wasnt 7,000,000,000 people living on earth. the only way your marxist utopia would work is if all the power grids were destroyed and people isolated themselves into tribes and planted food everywhere.

Logan Thomas
Logan Thomas

I always knew leftypol were fags but this is concerning

Jeremiah Russell
Jeremiah Russell

I wouldn't be talking either leftypol

Mason Bennett
Mason Bennett

nice bait retard, kill yourself

Noah Evans
Noah Evans

:^)

David Phillips
David Phillips

It's actually hard for any system to work with 8 billion people on the planet. That's why modern political systems also must entail a genocide of some sort

Joseph Perry
Joseph Perry

Why do you oppose freedom?

Juan Bailey
Juan Bailey

wtf people invented stuff under capitalism i hate communism now

Benjamin Garcia
Benjamin Garcia

Yes, because electricity, machines, and modern farming makes maintaining a functional society so much harder.

Matthew Baker
Matthew Baker

He said that because that's what it was like for humans on earth for 35,000 years

Austin Garcia
Austin Garcia

Well, yes. The most important inventions in history, like the steam engine and other inventions, were under a free enterprise system.

Why did the inventor of the spinning jenny invent it? So that processes that back then required alot of (wo)manpower, could be done faster and more efficiently, making the end product cheaper and better. And therefore making profit.

The inventions that up the standard of human life are made under free enterprise systems.
Cars, computers, cheaper food, clothes to your choosing, dvd players, phones, smart phones. You can go on.

Anthony Lee
Anthony Lee

How could you become more pathetic than /leftypol/?
You could be the board under them.

… oh wait.

Colton Hill
Colton Hill

killing people isnt revolutionary though
you claim you're better than everyone but then try and purge anyone who is more intelligent than you and/or doesnt agree with your garbage philosophy which is why men like Pinochet become revered. he made that faggot Allende kill himself then stabilized the country.

Parker Cook
Parker Cook

Yes but I can't see why having the technology we have today would be a hinderance in that respect.

Joseph Butler
Joseph Butler

They can't even convince the people on this board of their shitty ideology, all their support comes from reddit. Seeing them get ridiculed for being such giant faggots feels good.

Matthew Thompson
Matthew Thompson

Most tomoko pls best waifu

Easton Thompson
Easton Thompson

of course you cant
unplug all your devices and give up all your possessions(which your parents pay for t. Lenin jk he never relinquished anything), get a fishing pole and plant some food.

Samuel Kelly
Samuel Kelly

Hold up nigger, you planting food means you're a class above some nigger without farming skills. Hunter gatherer is best choice tbh

Kayden Morales
Kayden Morales

t. too dumb to grow plants

Asher Hall
Asher Hall

their shitty ideology
/leftypol/ isn't just one monolithic hivemind, believe it or not.

all their support comes from reddit.
If only you knew the amount of pure, concentrated butthurt that radiates from redditors like sunlight whenever they're told that they should set aside their trans-black-feminist liberation and other idpol bullshit for 5 minutes to focus on actual economic issues. They're basically liberals but somehow even more whiney.

class means division of labor
wew

Dylan Wood
Dylan Wood

of coursh

Adam Rodriguez
Adam Rodriguez

class means division of labor
Plantwhitey can plant plants and also hunt, therefore has more mental resources than the nigger, giving him more of a chance of survival.

Whitey is literally in the bourgeois class of the survival world.

Grayson Campbell
Grayson Campbell

Whitey is literally in the bourgeois class of survival
Huh. I never thought of that. Maybe that's why cucks want us dead?

Hudson Hall
Hudson Hall

t. redditor

Joshua Collins
Joshua Collins

that cheeky fix of my sentence to make it sound better
fuck off
Perhaps, I do not know.

Daniel Baker
Daniel Baker

Bad examples. The microchip, cell phone networks, wifi, GPS, touch screen tech, the internet, satellite communication, siri are all examples of inventions that came about as the result of tax payer funded research.

Isaac Baker
Isaac Baker

wage labor, in Democratic Kampuchea; where people were simply marched into farms, and beaten to death if they did not work.
Implying anyone can confidently state whether societies had "classes" or not, in prehistory without written or even verbal records, 35,000 years ago.

/leftypol/ in charge of history, everyone.

Jack Hall
Jack Hall

This is what commies actually believe …..wow you are stupid!

Eli Bailey
Eli Bailey

Stalin fanboys think socialism is capitalism + government monopoly.
But that's totally wrong. Both Democratic socialism and natsocs denounce government ownership over the economy (or means of production). They just help lead/guide it. Helping it =/= owning it.
They didn't even abolish wage labor before declaring that they achieved socialism
implying communism and socialism is the same thing
implying there are no wages in socialism
implying that wages and socialism is somehow a dichotomy

Jeremiah Wood
Jeremiah Wood

wage labor, in Democratic Kampuchea; where people were simply marched into farms, and beaten to death if they did not work.
Every Stalinist government had some sort of forced labor camps, but they relied primarily on wage labor, yes.
Implying anyone can confidently state whether societies had "classes" or not, in prehistory without written or even verbal records, 35,000 years ago.
By definition, a society with no privately-owned means of production is classless. Hunter-gatherer and early communal agrarian societies fall under this definition.

But that's totally wrong. Both Democratic socialism and natsocs denounce government ownership over the economy (or means of production). They just help lead/guide it. Helping it =/= owning it.
I know, I wasn't talking about demsocs and natsocs. They don't like Stalin very much to say the least, and I wouldn't refer to them as Stalin fanboys. I was talking specifically about Marxist-Leninist regimes and their successors.
Regardless, demsocs and natsocs have different views of "socialism" than Marxists do.

implying there are no wages in socialism
implying that wages and socialism is somehow a dichotomy
The reliance of wage labor is the defining characteristic of the capitalist mode of production, and was one of Marx's main point of critique. Just getting rid of private property doesn't make capital, production of goods for exchange, profit-motive, socially-necessary labor time, abstract labor, or any other aspect of capitalism magically disappear.

Just by removing private property, all you've done was shift the role of capitalist from private individuals to the state: state capitalism. It's a step forward, but it isn't socialism.
See
and

Jayden Allen
Jayden Allen

Just getting rid of private property doesn't make capital, production of goods for exchange, profit-motive, socially-necessary labor time, abstract labor,
but it isn't socialism.
Karl Marx is not the founder of socialism. He's just the founder of communism. Look up the French revolution (1789) and the economy afterwords. They had everything you despise in it. Communism is a form of socialism not the other way around. Now fuck off.

Jackson Harris
Jackson Harris

(wo)manpower
***manpower

Fixed that for you.

Jonathan Clark
Jonathan Clark

Karl Marx is not the founder of socialism. He's just the founder of communism.
Communism is a form of socialism not the other way around.
You're right, I should have made that more clear. I'm coming at it from a specifically communist perspective, and Marx often used the terms communism and socialism interchangeably. But there are lots of different kinds of perspectives on socialism and socialist ideologies.

Aaron Roberts
Aaron Roberts

made baldness trendy
incorrect
Majestic
that word doesn't mean what you think it means.
Classic bad boy (villain)
corect.
sharp suit
nope.

Xavier Jones
Xavier Jones

Idiot

Austin Gray
Austin Gray

I should add that Lenin used the term socialism interchangeably with dictatorship of the proletariat, but still referred to his New Economic Policy as a transition between capitalism and socialism. Also why is a sneaky Bernie there? Is this a shitty Steven Crowder meme?

Liam Morgan
Liam Morgan

Every Stalinist government had some sort of forced labor camps, but they relied primarily on wage labor, yes.
Let me put this simply, nobody got paid wages under the Khmer Rouge. Phenom Pen was simply depopulated, and city slickers like you were told to grow their own food in addition to what is required by the KR.

Hunter gatherer society
Implying you know for sure early hunters don't own their spears and bows, or the farmers don't own their tools, livestock or land

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