It is interesting that religion is often mocked and deprecated here on Holla Forums when it is at the very core of our...

It is interesting that religion is often mocked and deprecated here on Holla Forums when it is at the very core of our struggle. The scientific mindset has generated the liberal leftism of today with its Cartesian dualism (which divorced body and mind and legitimized degeneracy) and its rejection of the spiritual as the source of knowledge (which led to its rejection of any claim to true knowledge) and has therefore led to the subjectivism that has corrupted society.

It is clear that we must turn back to our Traditions but this will be meaningless unless we turn to the source of them - our Traditional faith which was the Orthodox Christian faith. The source of the leftist corruption can be traced to the Wests falling away from Orthodoxy in the heresies of the Papists and the system of feudalism which destroyed the Byzantine concept of symphonia between Church and State which was the best example of stable hierarchical order on Earth.

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Fuck of to your containment board christcuck.

Do you deny that man is a unity of body, mind and spirit? How can you fight degeneracy if you do not discipline these three?

Christianity is weak. White people's of the world need a strong, ethnocentric religion that is theirs and theirs alone. A religion that puts their fate into their own hands. No more of this turn the other cheek, wait for the savoir while the world falls apart around you horseshit.

I do like the resurrection mythos tho. Odin had a son that he promised resurrection to. Forget his name. That can stay.

Sage tho because these threads never produce shit asides from shit.

Christian vs Pagan shilling is a classic. It works as d&c, derails and slides and is never relevant. The jidf loves it.

We must realize the problem of dehumanization and destruction of the natural world as was expressed by Spengler in "Man and Technics" and by Philip Sherrard in "The Rape of Man and Nature"

Maybe I do faggot. This isn't a religious board so fuck off already.

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Nah

Interesting. I just came back from Russia so I've seen firsthand how strong Traditional Christianity can have a very beneficial political influence. Very modest and beautiful women.

Treehugger or fedora tipper?

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This, there is never good discussion just shit flinging. Forgot to sage

Another religion D&C thread… Chaim, do these actually ever work? We fight each other over all the time and still unite against you. It's a white thing, you wouldn't understand.

This is a politics board actually.
Also, who the fuck are you quoting?

And I assume you're a worshipper of a kike on a stick?

I didn't know shills had the time and money to go on vacations.

You. You seem to imply that a class can just be discarded from political discourse. With serfs and goyim, I get it. But with clergy? These pansies at the media are a poor fit to replace clergy.

Plato, Lao Tzu, Heraclitus and many others intuited the existence of the One God

The Church paid for it. Shilling really does pay!

Not religion. Christfaggotry. Learn the difference.

Global report for kike shill.

Global report for kike shill.

Okay? Even if god exists, that still does not give us a reason to worship a literal kike.

Report for being part of a jewish cult.

Yeah, the one way out must be buried under filth and lies, degraded forever and boiled in excrement-posting.
:^)

Global report for kike shill.

Are we going to discuss an ethnocentric religion for white people's that puts it's existence first and ties them to their lands? If not, this thread needs to die.

What religion actually has as strong a philosophical and historical foundation as Christianity? (Regress Problem and Argument from Reason usually deal with fedoras)

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Ah, found another one. See >>7224325

Christianity was last millinia. We ethno-religion now.

I had my suspicions on a reddit leakage.

op is a faggot

That depends on what you mean by kike. Kikes are the "Jews" who didn't accept Jesus. Why do you think they are so fucked up? They didn't understand that being "Chosen" meant they had to serve the gentiles.

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Is that so? Hinduism is a million times more metaphysically robust than christfaggotry, and it doesn't promote kikes as the chosen tribe and claim a literal Jew is god.

Hinduism also recognizes human inequality and racial differences explicitly.

Christfaggotry is a low-tier pleb religion.

Anglo-Saxon England was the greatest country that ever existed in the West.

Global report for kike shill.

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Global report for kike shill.

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See here:

Christianity is the downs syndrome kid of religions.

Christcuck, true men worship kek.
WE ARE ACTIVELY DESTROYING THE ZEIGEIST

hahahahahha

Have you even read the Church Fathers. You call those who follow the Western Tradition (which was formed out of the Old Testament and Greek Philosophy) cucks while cucking yourself to Indians

I meant Western religions you cuck

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Kikes are forbidden to read anything related to NT.

This christcuck shit is convincing me to leave this board. No matter how you spin it you're trying to get me to worship a kike and revere "Jewish heroes" and thier writings and history as my own. It's gone past the point of insanity for you to cling to this obvious Jewish lie.

Yes. They were ignorant of metaphysics.

Disgusting and dishonorable Jewish garbage.

Intellectual lightweights from a culture already in decline

Indians did not create Hinduism

Interesting that nobody addressed the link between the degenerate left and the modern scientific mindset or offered an alternative Western religion to Christianity but immediately fell back onto their programming

Your post makes no sense.

Go read the Bhagavad-Gita. It is far beyond anything any christtard has ever written, and infinitely greater than the Jewish Bible. There is nothing at all comparable from the Christian world.

Damn Moishe, you didn't have to be so blatant.


Hinduism is an Indo European religion, practically Aryan, and still carries the swastika. Sure, Christcuck came up with good works while it was in its prime but so did pagan Rome, Greece and Egypt. We don't need Christianity to become great. In fact, I hold the belief it must be abandoned all together so that somthing better may take its place.

You obviously have no connection to your own lands ancient heroes. Where are you from? I bet I know more of them


Nice try Chaim

Well, compare the style of posting to the one you find in, say, CF threads. This is the same group of shills as those. Now make a Russian thread, and you will find another set of shills.

Liberalism is only a self proclaimed scientific mindset.

Nonsense. As a Finn I am now a claimant to Sumeria, and due to their fate and that of 12th century Finland, I can call Aryans snowniggers.

Given that the board quality is

Captcha for Christ

Like I said on the last thread, everyone knows you're a kike, not Finnish.

Its born out of complete skepticism

You understand.this was an inevitable outcome from chriatfaggotry, right?

The form of Judaic monotheism seen in abrahamic religions separates god from the world, and the resulting logic of this makes the modern outlook inevitable. You can trace this form of monotheism to deism and then dualism followed by materialism and atheism. All logical progression.

Christianity is a degenerate religion for mindless sandniggers, which is why Europeans abandoned it first chance they got.

Ja mistähän niin päättelisit, saatanan huora perkele? Joskus kyllä tuntuu että te oikeasti haluatte olla niitä ali-ihmisiä joiksi juutalaiset teidän väittää olevan…

No its not. Leftist are actually more likely to censor a opinion that's different then their own, I would hardly call that skepticism
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Okay, you're a Jew who lives in Finland or has access to google translate. Grats.

You're half correct. It is the logical conclusion of Catholicism as predicted by St Gregory Palamas in his debates with the Calabrian monk Barlaam. Eastern Christianity did not seperate God from the world because it maintained an understanding of Grace as God's Uncreated Energies acting on the world.

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Smdhtbqhfam

tbh Hinduism is not one of the religions that I've taken time to examine yet. Is it as radically apophatic as Taoism and Christianity? What process of revelation does it document?

Any good books on it?

My point is actually this, you subhuman goy. Why do you want to be a subhuman so much? Oh, European man…

Childhood indoctrination

Same childhood indoctrination that made you believe in holohoax made you hate Christianity.

Also, if all human beings in their Atman are one with Brahman does that make you one with all niggers?

Try again, I went to a Catholic school the Christians were the ones who taught me about the holohoax.

Ah, so it was social coercion and herd instincts that made you cave.

Who ever said I believe in the holohoax

The sooner Christianity is abandoned the sooner white people's can get right with God.

I only said you believed it. Not that you believe.

Not the way you want.

Oh, no! Are you going to quote scripture now?

Yours, maybe.

And I came to that on my own

I'm from America which is why I hate Christianity because they handed everything over to the Jews. I can trace my lineage to different parts of Europe. I don't care what kikey arguments Christians can come up with at the end of the day it's kike worship and kike ancestor reverence. It's not for me. If christcucks want to follow it I really don't care but they are not my friends. So go worship the Jewish messiah and King of the Jews but don't expect any non cuck to follow you.

Yes, the religion of today is

Same, I always get a kick out out of American christcucks who bash Europe for being atheist, I'd rather live in a country with a 90 percent white population then a Christian one.

If we're any other religion the kike would work in subverting it anyway. Christianity has in large part, failed the white race, has kept it back. And now with church turning it's back on the European people you expect whites to crawl back to worship yhwhs son, a kike? It comes as no surprise that jews are scared shitless right now over Europeans turning back to their pagan roots.

Yeah like I said, kike worship is simply not for me. For cucks maybe but not for me. I would prefer not to worship Jews and therefore I don't. But you go ahead.

Where can I find my nearest temple?

You are welcome to join us here in Finland. Even the niggers kill themselves or leave for ISIS.


Correct. But with less hatred.


The only racialists are kikes and you.


Any echo chamber you can fill with your ego.

Lol fuck off.

Guess they just have a special place for Russians in their hearts..

I will go with the thought that we lack spirituality, but to find it in some book rather from within… You simply wish to be told, lead… Not think, perceive for your self.

I am not with out my own sense of spirituality, I simply reject anything you purpose I "should" follow blindly.

I hate all the Abrahamic religions, Judaism can't be trusted, Christianity worships the same ancient god under completely different ideals, Islam is just Judaism but less subtle about hating outsiders.
Jehovah, however the fuck you pronounce his name, is the single worst deity in all human history. For the Jews he murdered children for being Egyptians, destroyed a city because they did butt stuff, told people not to do something then forced them to do it anyway, and was just a massive cunt in general. As the Christian god his prophets told everyone to 'turn the other cheek' and that humans are worthless and need divine salvation. Islam's prophet was just a Jew who didn't know subtlety and decided to try and take over the world by force.
Nothing about the three are redeemable, I'm not religious, and if the Abrahamic god is the one true god then I welcome an eternity of suffering, better than bending the knee to the single worst deity in human history. I'd rather be the fuckboi of Zues.
My personal favourite was always the Norse.

Fuhrer means guide. Authority is not necessarily bondage.

I'm a racialist because it's reality. Our race is declining and so I'm concerned about worshipping another race that happens to be killing us. I guess I'm just an evil racist nazi for that wacky idea though.

I do not wish to be guided on my own path. Any one who does is simply too weak willed to strike out on there own in there search.

That is not to say one can not chat, reflect upon there spirituality with others, but to take it all with a grain of salt and fit it to them selves.

Still claiming that. Only you retards who cut your dicks (despite the strict ban…) are like that.
Your whole continent is crazy, and "your race" is yet another retardation. Hitler was for the German race, not the European one, and certainly not the "white" one.

Germany was a degenerate hell. It needed a guide out. It was forcibly plunged back in.

How many years will it take Sisyphus to travel his path?

I was striking at "regulated" forums of religion as a whole.
About Germany, what time pried are you referring too?


Misfire or really a question for me?
I have no idea who or what "Sisyphus" is, nor do I care.

Ok then enjoy multiracial christcuckery I guess. I'd rather just abandon thread than talk to a christcuck who doesn't even understand the concept of race within the American context or otherwise.

Too bad this board has no mods.

Before the Fuhrer (guide, authoritarianism), after the Kaiser (leader, authority).
Of course not. Push that boulder. Maybe you'll get it up there. One day, if you push hard enough.


3% foreigners, 5% fennoswedes. Yeah, I'm in agony.

Eh, as far as any forum of degeneracy, I place that upon the head of the kike.

Are you implying I read/follow some forum of "underground" religion, when I flat out said
When I say that, I mean, the only searching I do for spirituality is done by my self, for my self. I will bounce ideas, concepts off my friends who are with out religion, but I do not take others projection or project my own forum of spirituality upon others.

Still using "Kike"? He didn't decline the cross. He carried it.

No. It is over the top religion. Read on Sisyphus, it is greek mythology.

Did you get arithmetics, or did you have to read on it / work on it? Was it agonizing when you learned it?
Except that we all know good from evil… Ergo, we are all responsible.
It is not yours. You do not live in a void.

We disagree on things, stop making threads because we don't give your jewish fairy tales special treatment here. We don't all agree that it's the best way forward.

The whiner who demands special treatment is you.

If you are implying Hitler, I would point out TGSNT, other documents buried to draw the eye away from the kike.
I am not really very in to mythology personally.
I will admit I am not a very learned person.
I still have a ways to go if I am to be perceived as a good goyim (slave to the current system).
Nature its self is not inherently good or evil, it simply is. A storm destroying settlements, killing people, can also brings rain to dry fields to feed the survivors.
That is not for you to say. You have no more or less idea of what comes after then I do.

No, christianity did that.
>all people are equal before yahweh god

No, I was taking things too far. I thought that you were implying the once common meme that degeneracy is allowed since you can just put it "on tab" so to speak. Blaming kikes works, but only so far.

Ah, " das acting whitey". "Whitey weak, whitey reads. Nigga strong, nigga punch." Polar bear hunting, they call it, or knockout game. Study, work.

The problem is not racial, it is in values. "Liberals", are the same problem with and without foreigners they can use as weapons against the society.

Your children, potentially.

Your understanding of good and evil are a part of the nature. Ignore it, and you will allow all degeneracy to either take root or to be.

>>>/christian/
For fuck's sake, as if the CTR shills spamming exodus shilling and "anti-shill but the thread itself is a shill" threads isn't enough, /christian/ faggots and their (((semitic))) desert religion feels the need to spam too?

The only ones who demand special treatment are the ones who collude with another race and beg not to be hung as race traitors. Our ears are deaf to their cries, because it is no longer possible for them to continue weaving a scheme of lies to obscure the truth about their Semitic religion. We know it is subversive filth which goes against the character of our race. We know it is historically inaccurate and spiritually devoid. We know that it's a foreign cult which has contributed nothing to our civilization other than ignorance and ruin. There would be no crisis in the West today if all of our ancestors had rejected the Semitic ideology. There would be no weak borders allowing waves of foreign invaders. Their kind promote weaker borders still as a holy endeavor. There would be no foreigners with great and secretive control over our societies, but their kind insists on the sanctity of the bond between our race and those same foreigners.

All Christcucks are race traitors. That's the simple fact. Everyone who wants to restore civilization to the glory of traditionalism knows that race traitors must be eradicated with even greater prejudice than foreign invaders. Subversive elements are most dangerous when festering as treasonous boils which weaken the immunological system of society against foreign elements. No longer can a subversive religion be allowed to exist in our countries. Men preaching the mixing of races spiritually are to be just as hated as those preaching for the genetic mixing of races. And the final word on the matter is that Cuckstianity is a construct of another race, nothing more.

U got damn fucking christucks and jews who are spreading Christianity… I hate you with every particle of my body.

CHRISTIANITY IS A JEWISH POISON; HAS BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING AND WILL BE TILL THE END.

One day hopefully we will be cleansed from this sickness which is called Christianity.

Doesn't include you, since you don't go to school/college/work?
Beg? I need not beg anything from anybody.

Not all religions, only semitic religions, all abrahamic releigions are cancer and dont belong in europe.

fuck off christcuck you have your own board in >>>/christian

Jesus was a Judean, not Jewish.

Religion-wise. Racially they were different by two millenia of inbreeding and the occassional khazars.

I am not a very learned person because I am a little slow and very disinterested. It is simply my own fault.
You going off on that tangent of nigger babble is rather annoying as it seems your projecting that upon me.

I speak of what comes after are end that we are able to perceive.

Every ones perception of "good & evil" are different. Even my thoughts of there perceptions could be taken as wrong.
Ect.

See
The race traitor avoids every point because he knows there is no justification for his crime. All he can do is try to distract from the fact a crime has been committed. I'm sure you've all encountered a strange phenomenon: Jewish shills who come to argue for their holohoax do so in the same ways in which Christcucks argue to justify their treason. Both groups match up perfectly to Hitler's timeless description of arguing with Jews. Twisting of facts, twisting of language.

The attitude that one shouldn't read or one doesn't bother is what is keeping the black man down. They are not free because they don't pay usury or taxes.

Justice. If it doesn't exist, it won't exist there. If it does exist, it will exist there.

The basics are the same. Most people do math differently (especially the harder parts), does not mean there are multiple answers to every problem. What it means is that there needs to be a drive for truth if we are to solve these problems.


Odinists are race traitors to my folk. They should read Kalevala and worship Ukko if they were capable of connecting two brain cells together or held truthful views on things regarding their racial identity. Of course, such would amount to them admitting that truth is superior to man, but alas, can't do that.

Only race traitors are the ones not actively fixing the society. :^)
It is a show for you. Enjoy the ride.

Them not paying taxes or usury =/= freedom. Taxes and usury are not freedom either; freedom is different.

I really like your writing style. Have you ever considered writing a book?

Where? Show me the posts. Show me the text. We have IDs, you should be able to do it.

I would like you to point out where I implied one should not read/learn out beyond "organized religion" as I clearly stated.

Again, you are implying that as fact, when again, you know no more or less about the end then I do. You're persecution of the end is different from my own, and that is fine, I simply reject your concept.
Yes, but that is implying there is a step by step guide (Bible, Qur'an, Talmud, ect) when again, those "force" people to conform to those guidelines, enable to express or grow naturally in there own way.
In dealing with something as complex as spirituality, there clearly is as we still can not prove or disprove of any higher "Being" or "after life"

Sorry

On skype getting my ear talked off.

When you referred to Sisyphus, you gave off that vibe. Could just be that the times we live in are extremely tiring, with faggots like 5dd7c3 trying to ruin threads on 8ch. The borg does not know it is the borg.
Is it not? If justice doesn't exist, it won't exist there either. If it does, it will exist there, or it can't exist.
Yes, there is even a fight going on between truth and falsehood. This has been going on for a while.
Philosophy, logic and knowledge can cut certain aspects out.


I'll be heading off to bed soon, no problem.
If world was nicer, "letting all the flowers bloom" wouldn't be the most cruelest of ways.

Aye. I have not read any posts beyond yours so I would not know of 5dd7c3.
My concept of "what comes after" is some what mixed with nothingness, how well we have lived within my own sphere of "morals" to some extent. I am still searching in my own ways.
It don't look like it will end any time soon.
Aye, but we can both point out some peoples forums of "logic" as tainted because of are projections.
Aye, and I do understand the "wouldn't be the most cruelest of ways" as I can understand to some extent your pointing out need for guidance because again, we both judge people differently and have different perceptions of right and wrong.
Was good having a discussion with you!

Does this understanding of Grace relate to the idea of Theosis? I came across it last summer but don't know much about it, but to your earlier point, it seemed to make a lot of sense on a metaphysical level.

t. Catholic

DENOMINATION DOES NOT MATTER
Read your own Bible, dunce.
"For when one says, "I follow Paul," and another, "I follow Apollos," are you not being merely human? What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth." (1 Corinthians 3:4-7)

I believe Christianity is the truth, but Holla Forums needs not to believe the same for Holla Forums purposes. It only needs to believe that there is a higher truth. Our spiritual and moral thought, etc. are what seperate us from (((their))) materialist thought. It is stuff like Christianity and Asatru that make us strive for more since we know all material is naught. It is a paradox the filthy Communists and atheistic Jews will never understand.
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I think you pagans are crazy, but you're not evil. You know there is more than economics and materialism, and for that we should band together with that attitude held in common. OP is either a shill or a useful idiot.
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Yes, because thesis is becoming a god (we shall be sons of God) by Grace (adoption) which is Christ living in us and we in Him by His Divine Energies. He Himself was the archetype that opened the Way to Heaven as only God could be perfect man. Therefore we can only be perfect by becoming god.

*theosis

Lol perennial philosophy? Doesn't work on a societal level for obvious reasons. You end up having to be faithful to one Tradition even though there is some truth in other traditions.

We need to reconnect with God, I think this kek bullshit is just God trying to rope in disenfranchised NEETS.
He is getting people back into Liturgical arts, so not all bad.

also,

Theosis is difficult to attain then, yes? Is it essentially sainthood?

Sainthood that manifests itself in the form of tangible and sometimes physical results in this life?

This is wrong. Science has been completely subverted by kikes, just like Christianity. There is nothing in the scientific method which leads towards the beliefs that race and gender are social constructs. Back before Europeans lost WWJ, the scientific consensus was race-realist and advocated for eugenics.

It is a process of purification which is done by synergy with God (though He does most of the work). The Philokalia teaches you how to reach Theoria and further to the vision of God as Uncreated Light

The modern scientific mindset assumes naturalism. The metaphysical foundation is cancerous

Yes

Religion was never mocked before all you cuckchan faggots arrived, we used to have somewhat civil discussions about it, the level of D&C on this site didn't really exist until the floods of faggots this summer.

Is it attainable by everyone, regardless of IQ?

That's one issue I always come back to re: blacks and their inability to think abstractly. It takes a certain level of God-given ability to even conceptualize a lot of the ideas necessary for any real sorta theological understanding.

Unless of course that's my hubris getting in the way again. Tangentially, while intriguing, the idea of becoming perfect and one with God in this life seems pretty damn hubristic, too, and is still too great a heretical leap for me at this point.

Wow, you are a really edgy kid.

Fuck you OP.

Religion cannot unfuck us, we know too much to go backwards. All religions are trouble and all of them are wrong.

Nationalism is our religion. Any other religion that demands our allegiance is asking us to stray from absolute devotion to Family, Folk, and Fatherland, and must be struck down.

JEW WORSHIP = ATHIESM… BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S FAKE BUT YOU DO IT ANYWAYS

IF YOU WORSHIP THE ANCESTORS OF JEWS, DON'T CRY WHEN THEY BECOME YOUR ARISTOCRACY!


CHRISTIANS WERE THE FIRST WESTERN EUROPEANS TO CAUSE RACE-MIXING IN 30,000YRS

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pisstianity is a semite death cult

christians are not white

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christianity = semitic shit cult from middle east

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Yeah the Jews hate Christians! They don't want you to worship their tribal father as Godin at all!

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filter this guy>>7229749

seems to be another jewish shill

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Jews hate Christians! They don't want you to worship their tribal father as Godin at all!

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Christ wasn’t a socialist. He was a religious radical. He advocated charity by the individual. He did not want a complex temporal power structure established to tax people at gunpoint to subsidize poverty.
Santa Claus, likewise, rewards virtue with toys and evil with coal. If anything, what he represents is a purely capitalistic idea–regardless of background, race, creed, etc., by virtuous and diligent behavior one will be rewarded materially. Whereas slothfulness and evil reaps nothing of value.
A Wonderful Life is about valuing family, not about establishing a top-down economy.
A Christmas Carol isn’t about a capitalist who turns into a socialist. It’s about a capitalist who overcomes the bitterness of his childhood and learns to value his family and his friendships more than his business. He doesn’t stop being a capitalist; he still solves all of his problems with money.
The Grinch Who Stole Christmas is about a terrorist who realizes that his diagnosis of capitalist society as being corrupt and materialistic was wrong. He realizes that though the society acknowledges capitalistic values, it also has a spiritual core independent of that system. His realization that the two can exist in harmony allows him to come to terms with his own bitterness and join society, rather than living like a hermit up in the mountains.
Charlie Brown, ironically, is the only story with any socialist values at all, and they’re negative. Charlie Brown used everyone’s money to make a terrible economic decision and invest in a bad tree that didn’t fulfill its intended function. The people were then forced to band together to make the best out of this smoking ruin on their own initiative. In essence, A Charlie Brown Christmas is about a government using the people’s money poorly, and then the public sector having to make the best of it with their own innovation.

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I find it ironic that people believe Christians can’t come to Holla Forums because it “violates their faith.”
I’m not saying this in a “they are coming here to fish for sinners” kind of way. I’m saying it in a “maybe God wants us here” kind of way. Think about the things promoted on Holla Forums. Really think about them. We stand for strong family and strong fathers. We stand for logic and reason. We demand the utmost skill in conveying ideas. We promote freedom and free speech.
We get a lot of flak for hating the Jews, blacks, and women. Anyone who has been on here more than a week knows that we don’t actually hate those people. What we hate is what they do and what they stand for.
The Jew stands for greed and gluttony.
The black stands for sloth and ignorance.
The feminist stands for lust and oppression.
We hate the idea of our children being influence by insanity, laziness, and greed. This is a statement that the outside world will never understand: Holla Forums is a bastion of moral superiority. In our anonymous and uncensored little world, we let flow our stark moral standards. That is why the world hates us. Not because we are immoral, but because we stand on a moral high ground so traditional that the cesspool of society cannot see it for what it is.

explain "kike" then you fucking kike.

Remember to sage.

The Bible teaches that those who clothe themselves in Christ are “born again, to a new heritage,” that is the “oldest heritage.” Christians, no matter the color of their skin or the face of their father, are sons and daughters of Abraham.
All a man has in this world is what he was given by his parents. They may not leave him wealth, fame, or a place in society. What they do leave him is the culture of his people, the blood in his veins, and the morals and ethics of their own fathers. As the Old Testament taught, some men were stained from birth because of this. They were unclean, just as there was food that was unclean.
But God says that there is another way–a better way. A man need not be bound by the lot that has befallen them. In the New Testament, Peter writes a letter in response to some Jews who do not understand the commandment to accept Gentiles as their own. It conflicted with their teachings, and they were refusing to accept them as equals. “We are the Chosen ones,” they argued, not them. In it, Peter berates them and tells them that the spiritual inheritance given by God supersedes the inheritance of the earthly father. Every man who accepts Jesus Christ as his savior becomes one of the Chosen. I will say it again, because it is important: Every man who accepts Jesus Christ as his savior becomes one of the Chosen.
If you accept Jesus Christ into your heart, you are born again to the line of Abraham and will be given a heritage greater and older than any earthly bloodline. You will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. It becomes your birthright, and you will dwell there eternally. You become a Son or Daughter of God.
Peter based his argument off of a vision he had, detailed in Acts 10, in which God laid out food before him and commanded him to eat. But Peter saw that the food was unclean, and so he refused. God then said this to him.
What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. (verse 15)
Later, Peter realized that this was not just a revelation about food, but about man himself. When Christ died, he came to cleanse man of the Original Sin. Thus his revelation.
God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. (verse 28)
This vision shows something very important. Why do the Jews believe that the Gentile is bad? Because he is “unclean”. What did God show to Peter? That the sacrifice of Christ has “cleansed the unclean”. There is no food now that cannot be eaten. There is no man now who is a Gentile. Not only food, but man himself has been cleansed. There are no unclean races. Not anymore. The only man who is unclean is the man who has not accepted Christ into his heart and become one of the Chosen. The only man who is clean is the man who has clothed himself in Christ; he is a Son of God and shall inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
In the leftists’ fumbling and bumbling, they scream about the color of someone’s skin as though that is the definitive qualifier for race. Their ignorance betrays you. Holla Forums argues that Zimmerman, in spite of being Hispanic, is an “honorary white” for what he did. Why? Because they understand that what a man is born is not as important as what he grows up to become. They know that there is more to a man than the mere quality of his blood or the shade of his skin–that this alone is not the ruler of everything he is, was, and will become.
Zimmerman is a Christian. He has clothed himself in Christ. He is a Son of Abraham and will dwell in the House of the Lord. Whatever earthly heritage he bore has been overwritten and superseded by a spiritual one. Zimmerman is one of the Chosen. Why? Because God does not care about the flesh. “Build up not your wealth on Earth, for it will rot and decay. Build up your treasure in the Kingdom of Heaven, for it is eternal.” At the end of all things and the beginning of eternity, there will be no more flesh and all will be judged based on their choices and character.

That is the revelation of God, the revelation of Christianity, and the revelation of Jesus. That salvation is no longer a birthright, but a choice. You were born flawed. God has the highest standards and all fall short of them, no matter the color of their skin. Were some more clean than others? Yes. But none were clean enough. But because He loves us, He has cleared away the debt of Original Sin. He has cast aside the earthly inheritance, and He has allowed any man who so chooses to rise above his earthy blood and become a spiritual heir to the Kingdom of Heaven itself.
No longer must you be of the blood to be Chosen. Now a man may become Chosen though Christ, and only through Christ.
Holla Forums will tell you that race is a matter of trends (meaning genetics), not individuals. My addition to that statement is this: the revelation of Christ is a personal revelation. It is an individual revelation. A whole race cannot be excused, an entire culture or people cannot be forgiven. You must have the wherewithal to come to God, prostrate yourself, admitting your flaws and failings and seeking forgiveness for your transgressions. You can only do it alone. No one can drag you to it. You cannot be converted by the sword, as a Muslim can. You are not born inferior, like the Jew would tell you. You must come to the revelation on your own. You are made Chosen by your own hands, by the Grace of God. You choose yourself, and because of that, God chooses you.
Race is about trends, not individuals. So is damnation. There is no Christian who is not an individual over the trend. More people will fall than will rise. Many who are of good stock will fall because they could not raise themselves up to be better. Do not glorify the slaggard, wastrel, layabout, or the parasite simply because of his “good brewing”. They are degenerates, unable to so much as raise a hand to meet the face of God that has come down from such purity to meet them halfway.
They are not the Chosen because they lack the willingness to apply themselves to the path of salvation–a path made so simple that it comprises but a single step.
To believe otherwise–to glorify them because of their blood–is to behave as the Jews behave and to believe as the Jews believe. That is the true betrayal of leftist intention. That they parrot the beliefs of the Jews with only a few words changed. That they speak but do not hear. That they recite but do not understand.
You scream “kike on a stick” and “christcuck” without comprehending the root terms. Holla Forums is against miscegenation for excellent reasons. Holla Forums is against multiculturalism for excellent reasons. Above everything else, Holla Forums is a overwhelmingly nationalist. If every Jew that pushed orthodox Judaism went to live in Israel and the only jews outside of it were those who disliked or who were not “jew-ish” in spite of being jews, and did not push any jewish interests or assert zionism, would anyone have a problem with them? “Every man in his country.” Zionists are Jewish nationalists, so why not leave them to their own nation? There would be those that criticized them for how they obtained their city-state. I would be among them, for as a Christian, I know that the covenant of the Old Testament was dissolved, so the Jews had no right to the land they took.
They stole it, in other words.

On the whole, however, there would be far less animosity against them. If Africans stayed in Africa and lived or died by their own laws, there would be far less said about them. If mussulmen laid down their swords and picked up plowshares to repair their waitron land, far fewer people would hate them. If cultures did not try to devour one another and races to subsume one another–instead leaving each other well enough alone with mutually respected boundaries–the world would be a far better place than it is today.
But the Jew is not content with his own nation. He will take what he sees as his… and then take and take and take some more from everyone else. And that is why he cannot be tolerated. Because he will not stay behind the walls he has raised and foster his own people. Because he feels he must destroy and subjugate the world.
This is the truth of the world that Holla Forums has realized, of which Christians have always been aware. The truth is that we did not start this. Ours is not an instigation, but a reaction. That is what liberals, Jews, mussulmen, what have you, refuse to admit, and it is the truth that they fear the most. Their enemies, whom they hate so deeply, once did not call any man an enemy and would call a stranger a friend. That it is those who the left protects and idolizes who started the fires–who pushed out the good things in this world for their own ego and profit.
That is the truth of the world. We did not start the fire. The Crusades were justified and reactionary to centuries of Muslim conquest, slavery, and genocide. The Inquisition was justified and reactionary to Muslim taqiyya and the Muslim invasion and conquest of Iberia. Questioning the story of the Holocaust is justified, as all things should be questioned under the eye of rationality, even God.
This is the truth that the left fears most: that we have been right all along. And they fear it because of their ego. Because their pride is too great for them to concede to having been wrong, about anything, ever.
Pride has been the assassin of empires and nations. It has burned continents and ravaged civilizations. Pride, it is said, will be the one sin that drags the most to Hell. Pride so great that you cannot bring yourself to take the holy hand that has been extended to you. Pride so heavy and immense that you cannot bring yourself to grab the rope that has been thrown to you as you drown. Even though you hold the views you do through no fault of your own, your pride still stays your hand from that rope. And it will be that pride, in the end, that will be your undoing.
That is why you are not worthy. That is why you are not Chosen. In the end, every knee will bow. Those that will not bow will be bent. Even that of the Antichrist.
Liberals try so hard to divide and conquer. Do they never stop to think why they are compelled to do so? Do they never cease and wonder at why things such as as Nationalism and Christianity–which seek only be left alone–drive them to such heights of rage?
It is because the mere existence of something that is not of theirs is a suggestion that they might have been wrong. Their pride demands their rage at these things. And they give in to that demand.
And so the wheel turns and the fire rises. Stand for truth in a world of lies. Stand for purity in a world of corruption. Stand for chastity in a world of degeneracy.
DEUS VULT.

also,
read more manga cuck.

I don’t care about the context. Know why? Because the context wouldn’t be cared about if this scene took place in a synagogue or, Allah forbid, a mosque. CAIR and all the infiltrated parts of the Europeans’ governments would be up in arms. News stations would be squealing about the countless death threats being acted upon. For months the film would be marked as nothing but a hateful and despicable hate movie of hatred against “our dear Muslim friends who only want peace.”
And if it was a synagogue? The movie would never have been made because the jews in Hollywood would have burst a blood vessel screaming, “ANTI-SEMITE!” loud enough to explode their lungs during the scriptwriting process. If it was made, the film director would be forced to apologize and all actors involved would be barred from entering most of Western Europe for taking part in a despicable anti-Semitic hate film of anti-Semitic hatred. The anti-Semitic actors would be marked as anti-Semites and would never be able to get a role in a film again. Or, if they did, it would be as sparse an opportunity as Mel Gibson’s current predicament. News organizations would be vomiting blood and Jews all over the US-of-Israel would be weeping tears, demanding political recompense for the film’s Nazi-like evil Nazidom and for triggering every Jew’s–every Jew’s–PTSD over the lost 6 quintillion.
BUT SINCE IT’S IN A CHRISTIAN CHURCH, IT’S OKAY.
Why? Because Christians don’t blow people up, rape young white children for 15 fucking years, push for Sharia Law, push for Israeli genocide of the Middle East, get people fired because they remind us of an incident we weren’t even alive for but which “totally happened because my grandfather’s second cousin twice removed was turned into a lampshade!”
“But it’s just a funny scene in a movie, silly Christian! Relax!” Tell that to the victims of systematic rape and sexual slavery by over 100 Muslim men for 15 fucking years in Rotherham, Derby, and Oxford who were given no ear for their pleas and no protection if they spoke out. Tell that to the comedians, actors, documentary directors, and all other artists and politicians who get blacklisted, fired, and jailed because they say even the slightest thing against Israel, even when that country has an actual concentration camp of its own and continues the genocide of innocents because they are “collateral damage.” REMEMBER THE SIX OCTILLION!
No. It’s not funny. And you people who laugh and enjoy it don’t know everything that has, is, and will occur behind and around the production of such a scene.

Go watch a Jew film faggot. You're not tricking us anymore

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I’ll address Luke 6:35. The “love” in “love your enemies” is ἀγαπᾶτε, a conjugate of agape. This is not love like you love your mom–storge–not love like in romance–eros–nor love for a friend–philos. This is loving your enemy like God loves them–agape.
Now, God does not love by making you feel good for doing evil. God does not allow one to sin and not suffer the natural consequences thereof. Christ is saying we should endeavor to reform and rehabilitate our enemies. At first blush, this suggests that leftists are right–that killing them is not the answer. But it is not right to go on letting them kill or enslave young Christian girls to be sold on the sex market, either. Where is your love for our brothers and sisters in Christ? Will you throw them aside for some infidels?
“That which you do to the least of my brothers, you do unto me.” Matthew 25:40 So, with a choice between effectively letting someone enslave and rape Jesus or regrettably destroying evildoers that have already determined to use force, I think it is a Christian answer to fight back. However, at the same time, there are already people fighting back and this Oregon guy does not have the means to help in that way. If this guy is called upon to go martyr himself for the faith, he should do it. His sacrifice for spreading the word will do good for Christ. I do not feel that is what God has called me to do, but the Holy Spirit, while the same essence, may call on each of us to use our talents in different ways. To sum up, 6:35 is not a prohibition on fighting to save oneself or other Christians, although it does put in a strong suggestion about trying other methods first. Just like every secular ideology in history.

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I’m going to use a quote from the Bible, to help us better understand what sins are and why things are sins.

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you. Everyone who sins is a slave to sin.”
John 8:34

I think that Jesus was incredibly insightful on this–the idea that being a sinner makes you a slave to your sins. Taking this idea forward, we can understand that sins are acts that make us slaves to our base drives and impulses that erode our ability to control ourselves and therefore make rational decisions. Even though this is a Biblical idea, you can apply it to examine certain acts and determine if they are sinful without listening to the letter of the law in the Bible itself. If we think about it this way, God didn't just arbitrarily make things sins because he doesn't like them. Sins are sins because they destroy us–because they are self-destructive acts or acts which destroy those who care about and love–which is an abomination to both nature and, if you so believe, God.
Casual sex and pornography are not sins simply because they are offensive to God. They are sins because they manipulate the parts of your mind that are meant to be dedicated to forming stable and healthy sexual partnerships with other people. They are sins because they are habit forming and they destroy your capacity for real love.
Hell, again, exists in more than just the spiritual sense. Look at the life of the true degenerate. Not just someone who occasionally dabbles in degeneracy, but the real diehards. The drunks, the homosexuals, the crack addicts. Are these people living a fulfilling, meaningful life ? Their lives are hell. They don't need to wait to die to go to hell, they're already there.

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A lot of people seem to be confused because they’ve heard a moron or two say, “SJWism is like a religion.” They’re only familiar with Christianity, and most of them only have a surface understanding of it. Allow me to tell you why Christianity and Modern Liberal thought are incompatible. First of all, they’re predicated on opposite assumptions. The foundational belief is vital to a philosophy and is the one thing from which the philosophy draws its conclusions. This first assumption is often unable to be proven true or false, but can have evidence to support it. Proof and evidence are different things in this case–evidence being supporting observations, proof being a mathematical certainty.
Christianity’s first assumption when it comes to society is that “people are basically bad.” Now, even though they believe that man was perfect once upon a time, they believe that he “fell” and became imperfect. Catholics believe that this is Original Sin–something you are born with thanks to the Fall–and that is cleansed with Baptism. However, Orthodox and Protestants hold that you are only born with a sinful nature–that you are born with a propensity to do bad–but not with an invisible mark. They believe you are held personally responsible for your sins. They hold to personal responsibility, as people are bad and must be made accountable for their decisions since evil deeds they commit are ultimately their fault. The Evil comes from within, not from without. “For it is not what goes into a man’s mouth that condemns him, but what comes out.” Because of this, they believe that society redeems man; it does not corrupt them. Institutions, manmade structure, rules, and moral objectivity–form walls and barriers for man’s safety to allow him to live his life without Evil. And, within this view, Evil is anything that harms both others and the self.
Now, this is completely contrary to modern Liberalism which presumes that man is basically good. But then they must answer, “Whence comes Evil?” Their answer is from without. Since Man is basically good, if he commits evil then it must be because of some outside factor. In this case, society condemns man and does not redeem him. Because of this, Modern Liberalism seeks to reform society–rather than Man, as Christians do. To a Modern Liberal, since their basic assumption is that Man is basically good, it follows to believe that if the man is left alone, and not provoked by outside forces, (structure, “outdated” morality, artificial “patriarchy”, etc.) he will do good. Therefore, there is no such thing as evil done by the self. But Evil can be done to him, so they are concerned with the individual’s freedom first and foremost, as that means that no outside influence can come in and disrupt Man’s basic default state of “good”
Modern Liberalism = Man is Good, Society Corrupts.
Christianity = Man is Evil, Society Redeems.

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Newsweek cites authorities who indicate that “the idea of a common Judeo-Christian tradition first surfaced at the end of the 19th century, but did not gain popular support until the 1940s, as part of an American reaction to Nazism…” and concludes that, “Since then, both Jewish and Christian scholars have come to recognize that–geopolitics apart–Judaism and Christianity are different–even rival–religions.”
Joshua Jehouda, a prominent French Jewish leader, observed in the late 1950s: “The current expression ‘Judeo-Christian’ is an error which has altered the ccourse of universal history by the confusion it has sown in men’s minds, if by it one is meant to understand the Jewish origin of Christianity… If the term ‘Judeo-Christian’ does point to a common origin, there is no doubt that it is a most dangerous idea. It is based on a ‘contradictio in abjecto’ which has set the path of history on the wrong track. It links in one breath two ideas which are completely irreconcilable, it seeks to demonstrate that there is no difference between day and night or hot and cold or black and white, and thus introduces a fatal element of confusion to a basis on which some, nevertheless, are endeavoring to construct a civilization.”
The few New Testament ‘proof texts’ utilized by Christian Zionists and secular proponents of the modern Judeo-Christian myth are the product of poor translation. Messianic Jewish writer Malcolm Lowe in his paper Who Are the Ioudaioi? concludes, like Robert and Mary Coote, that the Greek word “Ioudaioi” in the New Testament should be translated as “Judeans” rather than the more usual “Jews.” Israeli scholar David Stern also came to the same conclusion when translating the Jewish New Testament.
Few Christians are aware that the translators of Scripture often mistranslated the word “Jew” from such words as “Ioudaioi” (meaning from, or being of as a geographic area, Judean). The word Judean, mistranslated as “Jew” in the New Testament, never possessed a valid religious connotation, but was simply used to identify members of the native population of the geographic area known as Judea.
Also it is important to understand that in the Scriptures, the terms “Israel”, “Judah” and “Jew” are not synonymous, nor is the House of Israel synonymous with the House of Judah. The course of history is widely divergent for the peoples properly classified under each of these titles. Accordingly, the authoritative 1980 Jewish Almanac says, “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a Jew or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.”
A writer for The Dearborn Independent, published in Michigan in 1922, summarized the problem thus: “The pulpit has also the mission of liberating the Church from the error that Judah and Israel are synonymous. The reading of the Scriptures which confuse the tribe of Judah with Israel, and which interpret every mention of Israel as signifying the Jews, is at the root of more than one-half the confusion and division traceable in Christian doctrinal statements.”
While the Pharisees recognized the laws of Moses, they also claimed that there was a great body of oral tradition which was of at least equal authority with the written Law, and many claimed that the Tradition was of greater authority. By their tradition, they undertook to explain and elaborate upon the Law. This was the “Tradition of the Elders”, to which the name of Talmud was later given. It had its beginning in Babylon, during the Babylon captivity of the people of Judah, where it developed in the form of the commentaries of various rabbis, undertaking to explain and apply the Law. This was the foundation of Rabbinic Judaism.

This Judaism was very different from the religion of the ancient Israelites. The late Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, who was the Chief Rabbi of the United States, expressed this conclusively when he said: “The return from Babylon, and the adoption of the Babylonian Talmud, marks the end of Hebrewism, and the beginning of Judaism.” The Jewish Encyclopedia tells us that the Talmud is actually “the product of the Palestinian and Babylonian schools” and is generally referred to as “the Babylonian Talmud.”
Dr. Boaz Cohen in Everyman’s Talmud states the Talmud is the work of “numerous Jewish scholars over a period of some 700 years, roughly speaking, between 200 [BC] and 500 [AD].”
Rabbi Louis Finkelstein in Volume 1 of The Pharisees, the Sociological Background of their Faith says, “Pharisaism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism. But throughout these changes of name, inevitable adaption of custom, and adjustment of Law, the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives unaltered.”
The Talmud, more than any other literature, so defined Judaism that Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser admitted, “Judaism is not the religion of the Bible.” (Judaism and the Christian Predicament, 1966, p.159) It is the Talmud that guides the life and spirit of the Jewish people.
This is to say, therefore, that the central message of the Old Testament has been fulfilled in the New Testament. It must be understood that it was the position of Christendom for at least 1900 years. It was the position, not only of Justin Martyr, but of such Stalwart saints as Irenaeus and Hippolytus; a position embraced by Martin Luther and John Calvin, the two towering figures of the Protestant Reformation.
Christianity and Judaism are two distinct religious inheritances. The very term “Judeo-Christian” is a mischievous misnomer without historical or Scriptural validity. “Judeo-Christianity” should be seen for what it is–another secular twentieth century, manufactured for narrow political ends, that is supremely disrespectful to all true believers.
Any fundamental unity that does exist between world religions cannot be appreciated by ignorant and secular scholarship, but only through knowledge of the great primordial and universal truths.

go ahead, chaim. post their j-dar scores. I will wait.

Most Christians have been subverted by “Judeo-Christianity.” It’s not their fault. They were raised to be “Christian” and a combination of federal sabotage and Jewish lobby groups has ensured that this is what “Christianity” is for them. Believe it or not, the current institution doesn’t like Christians or Christian values at all. They haven’t for decades. Christians are too dangerous to keep around without being pacified in some manner. The real ones can’t be bribed, are almost impossible to threaten, and will do the right thing just because it’s the right thing to do or tell the truth even if it’s damaging because they feel it’s true and thus needs to be known.
The leviathan the state has become has no love for Christian values or mores. It represents a direct threat to them and their power. Jews and Muslims both have passages about lying to others to protect yourself or deceiving others as to what your true faith really is so as to better attack your enemies. Christianity alone cleaves to the truth for no reason beyond that it is true. You will never see any Jewish or Muslim martyrs. The Christian predilection to make martyrs out of common men is what makes it a dangerous religion to globalism, corporate interests, and other sundry institutions. This is why Marching to Zion is so important. It’s a redpill that will turn any but the most terminally cuckservative Christian to our side. Enormous effort was put into suppressing the evangelical sector of America, the UK, and Europe for precisely this reason. If there is anything that world Jewry and NWO fear, it’s Christianity waking up.
They believe they can suppress America, that they can control the UK, that Europe can do nothing to stop them, and that Putin will fall in line when pushed. They have the Chinese businessmen eating out of their hands, so desperate are they to have a seat at the world table. And Islam is nothing more than a false flag–a deliberately awoken animal made to run amok to frighten and confuse while the real criminals get away with their crimes. When the time comes, if everything goes according to their plans, they will be suppressed and incorporated into the whole, and Islam will be pacified or outright eradicated.
If there is any nation where they fear something could go wrong, it’s America, where freedom of speech is protected–so you cannot simply legislate lies into being truth. If you are an American Christian, you are on the very cutting edge of the globalist suppression techniques. The greatest amount of brainwashing is being leveled at you. If anything goes wrong with their plans–if anything can completely derail their propaganda and turn the tide–it’s probably going to be Christians uncucking themselves. And if it starts anywhere, it’s going to be in America. People have grown sick and tired of establishment “conservatism.” They crave the real thing. They would not cleave so strongly to Trump if they were not prepared to shift towards it. This is your opportunity to actually push this information. You will never have another, better chance to redpill people than right now. Start with the Christians. They’re the most powerful ally in this fight.

J-Dar was taken down. The kikes realized we were using it to out them.

what the fuck are you posting lad? do you expect me to read this?

wow, it really is. we 1984 nao?

Jesus was a faggot or he would of fucked Mary like an Overman

What the fuck are YOU posting, nigger? Sage the thread.

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The most rabid Zionist supporters are evangelicals, so the best way to counter them is to actually teach them the Bible. Most evangelicals are cults of personality with Bible flavoring and preach utter heresy–dual covenant theology and Zionism, for starters. The following are the best arguments for debating and trumping zionist evangelicals:

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
– Revelation 3:9

This points out how the Jews, as they call themselves, are not Godly, and that their subversion was predicted.

And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
– Galatians 3:29

This destroys any notion of a Jewish right to the land of Israel based on the Bible, as the chosen people are those that accept Christ as savior–not a particular race and certainly not those that rejected Him.

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
– 1 John 2:23

This destroys the idea that the Jews are still the chosen people, because they have denied Christ and so have denied God.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
– John 8:31-47

Taken together, I have taught these passages to several tea party and conservative groups to massively undermine their support of Israel. You will be attacked at first, but if you learn the passages well enough, you can stump them and change the whole group.

Why are you so intent on shutting down an orthodoxy thread lad?

Fuck yourself. Sage the thread or be reported. You know what is happening here.

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And here we have the root of individualism, itself the root of all modernism and the cancer consuming the western world (and quickly expanding beyond to consume everywhere else).

Thanks a lot christcucks.

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Jesus is the singular biggest enemy of the NWO since He claims to be the Jewish messiah. The end goal of the secular/pseudo-atheist/zionist plan is to bring forth a different messiah, at which point the false Jews who claim to be Biblical jews (but are not)–this synagogue of Satan–will try to install a global zionist tyranny with Jerusalem as the world capital.
They hate nothing more than Christianity, since Christianity condemns their every deed. They have committed countless unspeakable atrocities–human experiments in the name of scientific progress, secret agencies going around murdering innocents, the planning and execution of genocides, wars waged to enrich themselves, killing millions of civilians in the process, turning healthy Christian societies into barbaric, sexually degenerate cesspools of immorality. The atrocities they have committed upon the world are beyond counting and their brutality and ruthlessness in obtaining their goals has no comparison anywhere.
There has never been a more perfect global tyranny than that of today, where a small group of ‘elite’ global rulers control every single aspect of our lives while at the same time making everyone believe that this is freedom. Their NWO is 1984 on steroids.
And Christianity has predicted all of this. The prophecies concerning these developments can be found in the New Testament–most importantly, in the book of Revelations where their entire mark of the beast plan to economically enslave the world has been laid out in detail.
As is their ultimate fate–and although most of them are deceived and believe they are actually the good guys and that they can persevere and win a war against God–deep inside they know that they are walking on the broad path of damnation and that there is only one end to their journey: eternal torment in the fires of Hell.
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold your house is left unto you desolate.
– Matthew 23:37,38
Then answered all the people (Jews) and said, “His blood be on us and on our children”
– Matthew 27:25
But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten.
– Mark 13:9
Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words, ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
– John 8:43-47
Stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost as your fathers did, so you do. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers.
– Acts 7:51-53
It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing you put it from you and judge yourself unworthy of everlasting life, we turn to the Gentiles.
– Acts 13:45-51
For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision, whose mourns must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake… wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith: not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
– Titus 1:10-14
The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us: and they please not God and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
– 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
Behold I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews and are not but do lie; behold I will make them to come and worship before thy feet…
– Revelation 3:9
So Jewish.

Try killing yourself.

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The main problem stems from the fact that the word Jew/Judaism has multiple meanings, but most people don't realize this. This confusion was brought about intentionally. The word Jew was invented a couple centuries ago in English translations of the Bible as a shortened form of the word Judean. This refers to the province of Judea, which at the time of the New Testament was a multi-racial, multicultural area, whose capital city was Jerusalem, which was controlled by the Pharisees. Jesus and most of his disciples did not come from Judea–they came from Galilee–and therefore were not Jews by the Biblical definition. Judea was originally inhabited by the Israeli tribe of Judah, but by this point was quite mixed. Whereas Galilee was inhabited only by the Israeli tribe of Benjamin. The only disciple that was a Jew was Judas, who betrayed Jesus.
The Pharisees were the evil Talmudists who Jesus opposed, and who ultimately got Jesus killed for daring to disagree with them. Later, Jerusalem was destroyed, and some Pharisees survived and became rootless nomads. Along the way they mixed with more people who converted to Talmudism. Then, after the invention of the English word Jew, the Talmudists started calling themselves Jews, and renamed their religion Judaism. They started claiming that they’re the people who lived in ancient Israel, and that they’re the “chosen people” spoken of in the Bible. In reality, their religion completely contradicts the Old Testament–even the Torah–and they know it, but they’ll never admit it. They brought about such a deliberate conflation and confusion of the word Jew that today people now use a definition of Jew that is expanded to include everyone in ancient Israel when that’s not at all what Jew meant originally. They also like to conflate Judaism with Hebrewism, but the religion of the Pharisees (Talmudism) only began after they returned from captivity in Babylon, and the Old Testament religion of the Hebrew people before that was quite different. Today, only a tiny minority of people who call themselves “Jews” don’t follow the Talmud.
The modern confusion comes from the fact that most people–even most Christians–don’t realize this linguistic and historical deception. This is especially true of the English-speaking world (Protestants, foremost), due to modern, bastardized, heretical translations of the Bible, plus a divorce from the true traditions of the original Christian church. They’ve totally forgotten how the Jews persecuted Christians endlessly before Christians eventually gained power through the Roman Empire and started dishing it right back to them. Just like a nation becomes ruined when it forgets its own history, the same is true of a religion. In fact, the same arguments used to claim that Christianity is inherently weak because it has now been subverted can be used to say that Western nations are inherently weak because they have been subverted, or that white people are inherently weak because a genocide is being committed upon them thanks to their altruism. It’s just not a good argument at all.

reported for what? trying to discuss orthodox christianity on Holla Forums, a board where threads about orthodox christianity have been welcomed since we were catholicuck'd off >>>/christian/

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Christianity embodies the rejection of the Jew, which is why it is the ultimate focus of all their hate. Just as Lucifer was the Lord’s favored angel, so too was Israel the Lord’s favored nation. Lucifer decided that his position in service to God was not enough and sought to elevate himself–even refusing to bow before Christ, thus stating that he was above God. The Jews, too, refused to honor God. Rather than doing as they ought and be the ‘holy nation’–the nation that was set apart from the rest of humanity, that was to serve as a light to all others–they became selfish, started to hate the other nations, and became greedy, claiming that they alone should be first among all men. Not only that, they created their ‘rabbinical doctrines’, which had been in the works for millennia, written by Scribes and Pharisees and culminating in the Talmud that it is today. They sought to elevate themselves and their word to that of God, if not above. They did just as Lucifer did.
So Lucifer became Satan–the adversary. And the Israelites became the Jews–the sons of the Devil. Christians are God’s Kingdom now, and shall be forever.

And yet you know exactly what this thread is. Sage it or be reported.

What? the subversive nature of dualism? I really don't see what you are getting at.
Think it's religious d&c because someone said something bad about paganism? I am seriously confused lad, just came to post ave maria and shitpost.

And you’re all out of shitposting. Good for you.

That's very snarky, I still have no idea what you're getting at though.

Jews hate Christians! They don't want you to worship their tribal father as Godin at all!

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The failure of our people in the past has always been from trusting Jews. There may well be some good ones, some who genuinely want to make the world a better place. The problem is every time they have been trusted, it has led to disaster. Every. Single. Time.
I say enough. I think the rest of true Christendom agrees with me–we do not need them. We have our own great thinkers, our own great minds. Men of skill, men of purpose; men who can lead us out from this mire. We do not need anyone else; we do not need jews.
One of the few things we will all agree on is nationalism. Due to our nationalist beliefs, we believe that the united people–be it by geographical location, by religion or by genetics–can build a society for ourselves. History has proven the truth of this–our nations being unquestioningly the greatest that the world has ever seen. What led to their downfall? Trusting the jew, taking their advice, accepting short-term gains over massive long-term losses. Small loans from Jews to help us with a war resulted in them worming their way into our society–into media, government, education, and recently even the Church where they defile our beliefs and the monuments we made to God. Taking their advice on immigration. Taking their advice in how we treat money–allowing usury, allowing international banks, allowing debt. Allowing them to brainwash our women into thinking a life of monotony and chasing a false currency is superior to that of raising a family. Allowing them to brainwash our children into believing that socialism is the path to utopia, that communism will work, that it only has not because our people just are not ‘good enough’ for it and thus must either be ‘reeducated’ or removed for their ‘hate crimes’.
The Parasite is our eternal enemy. It is the child of the devil, and we are the followers of God. The adversary shall not triumph over us; we shall have nothing to do with it ever again. We shall serve as a bulwark against it, a mighty shield to protect our people from the beautiful lies of the deceiver, from the poisonous words of the children of he who masquerades as an angel of light. We know now to never trust them, and we never shall again.
There is no need to ever ally with the Jew. If one says something good, express agreement and move on. Perhaps even say that it is a good idea and that as a Christian man of European heritage you may well seek to include it in your own nation, but never the Jew itself, never its people. We must remain forever separate. While it is a Jew it can be no brother of ours. It does not matter what it believes or what it says; it cannot be trusted. History has proven this.
Revelations 18: Rejoice over her thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets. and of saints. and of all that were slain upon the earth.
These merchants–by whose sorcery all nations have been deceived–shall be destroyed. They will pay for what they have done to our world; this time they will not escape the fires. They will be consumed in the wrath of God and we shall rejoice at the spectacle. The Lord's justice done, and our people finally avenged.

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1. Jewish Hate of Christianity

Anti-Christian Graffiti Sprayed on Jerusalem Convent
bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19798403

Bnei Brak Man Arrested for ‘Price Tag’ Attack on Monastery
jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/bnei-brak-man-arrested-for-price-tag-attack-on-monastery/2013/07/01/

Christians in Jerusalem Want Jews to Stop Spitting on Them
haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099

Former Pope Unfairly Criticized by Jewish Lobby: Fischer
theage.com.au/world/former-pope-unfairly-criticised-by-jewish-lobby-fischer-20130804-2r7hv.html

Growing Jewish anti-Christian hatred in Israel
youtube.com/watch?v=fcLTqo4jEK4

How the Jews Treat Christians in Israel
youtube.com/watch?v=IX9Tk2TMA6Q

Israel Monastery Firebombed in Suspected Hate Crime
dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Aug-21/228119-israel-monastery-firebombed-in-suspected-hate-crime.ashx#axzz2cbMigeGM

The Jewish Assault on Christianity
goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/spiritual/home_study/jew_assault.htm

Jewish Gallery Promotes Piss Christ Exhibit
thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/jewish-gallery-promotes-piss-christ-exhibit/

Jewish Hostility to Christians: The Prejudice No One Ever Writes About
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100049072/jewish-hostility-to-christians-the-prejudice-no-one-ever-writes-about/

Orthodox Jews Harassing Christians Outside a Christian Shop
youtube.com/watch?v=tSrFbNwxAlg

MK Ben Ari Rips Up New Testament
ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4257174,00.html

Mocking Jesus on Israeli TV
youtube.com/watch?v=JA6vRC1xW_c

Orthodox Jewish Youths Burn New Testaments in Or Yehuda
haaretz.com/news/orthodox-jewish-youths-burn-new-testaments-in-or-yehuda-1.246153

Tourists Praising the Lord / All Hell Broke loose!
youtube.com/watch?v=UmCJGiL_kpQ

Trashing Christmas
davidduke.com/trashing-christmas-by-thomas-clough/

Why Don’t Jews Like the Christians Who Like Them
city-journal.org/2008/18_1_evangelicals.html

A (Zionist) Jew Says 'We Killed Jesus & Proud of It!'
youtube.com/watch?v=iASHjjuPhKU

now I know you're going all out

Why can't the Christians and Pagans on this board just keep their religion to themselves? All these threads do is create a nigger-tier chimpout.

How many Christfags are on board for genocide of all Jews? None, because that's a sin? Yeah, I thought so.

Kill yourself Jew-enabling swine. Go join your Rabbi Jesus in new Jerusalem.

Sorry, don't like this one? It's fucking endless goy

Why can’t you comprehend the argument and know who is right?

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2. Differences Between Judaism and Christianity

Comparison of Christianity and Judaism
religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/christianity_judaism.htm

Judiasm and Christianity: The Differences
convert.org/Judaism_and_Christianity.html
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3. Christians Saying Christianity is Not Jewish

Bernard Fellay, Head of Traditionalist Catholic Sect, Says Jews are 'Enemies of the Church'
huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/07/bernard-fellay-jews-enemies-of-the-church-radical-catholic-sect_n_2425711.html

The Bible Calls Judaism…Liars
jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Judaism/liars.htm

How Do Jews Get to Heaven?
biblestudy.org/question/how-do-jews-get-to-heaven-if-they-reject-jesus.html

Judaism Exposed!
jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Judaism/judiasm_exposed.htm

Judaism is Satanic!
jesus-is-savior.com/FalseReligions/Judaism/satanic.htm

Marching to Zion
youtube.com/watch?v=typ2pl2L47k

The Myth of a Judeo-Christian Tradition
biblebelievers.org.au/judeochr.htm

Vatican Rejects "Chosen People" Claim, Calls on Israel to End "Occupation"
rt.com/politics/vatican-israel-palestinians-catholic/

Who was the Founder of Christianity?
allaboutreligion.org/founder-of-christianity-faq.htm

Why Aren't Christians Jewish?
catholicism.about.com/b/2009/02/19/reader-question-why-arent-christians-jewish.htm

4. Jews Saying Christianity is not Jewish

The Jewish Messiah and Why Jesus Does Not Qualify
jewsforjudaism.ca/resources-info/the-jewish-messiah

Is Christianity a Form of Judaism?
jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-category/from-idolatry-to-conversion/?p=3968

Why Jews Don't Believe in Jesus
simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/

Why Jews Don't Believe in Jesus
aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html
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5. The Jews of Today are not the Jews of the Bible

Absolute Proof More Modern Jews Not Biblical Israelites
rense.com/general89/notjws.htm

Ashkenazis Are Not the Descendants of the Ancient Israelites
iamthewitness.com/doc/Ashkenazis.are.not.the.descendants.of.the.Ancient.Israelites.htm

DNA Research Confirms That Modern Khazarian "Jews" Are Not the Descendants of Ancient Isrealites or The Seed of Abraham
educate-yourself.org/cn/texemarrskhazarianjews08mar13.shtml

Jesus Was Not a Jew
biblebelievers.org.au/jesusjew.htm
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6. Jewish Infiltration of Christianity

Pro-Zion 'Christians United for Israel' is Led Not by a Christian But By a Jewish Extremist
davidduke.com/?p=37894

The Insanity of Christian Zionism!
youtube.com/watch?v=qNMFZZOOZLg

Inside a CUFI Summit: Christian Zionists Dance the Hora and Prepare for End Times in Washington DC
mondoweiss.net/2015/07/christian-zionists-washington

Marching to Zion: Christian Zionism Exposed
youtube.com/watch?v=LSmOAWJc5ME

Should Christians Support Israel?
youtube.com/watch?v=yc77RzGRdIw
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7. Scofield Bible

The One-Hundred Year-Old Duping of American Evangelical Christianity – Christian Zionism
ajmacdonaldjr.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/the-100-year-old-duping-of-american-evangelical-christianity-christian-zionism/

The Scofield Bible a Zionist Forgery with Oxford Origins That Has Created Millions of Warlike, Judeo-Christian Zionist Useful Idiots
judeofascism.com/2011/06/scofield-bible-zionist-forgery-with.html

The Scofield Bible, Oxford Publishing and the House of Rothschild
whale.to/a/scofield_bible1.html

The Shocking Truth About C.I. Scofield
jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/scofield.htm

Zionism's Un-Christian Bible
dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/zionisms-un-christian-bible/

The Zionist-Created Scofield 'Bible'
rense.com/general60/zcre.htm

This was a damn good conversation until about 30 minutes ago. Thanks a lot, kikes.

Blow your brains out

Sage.

Can't answer the question, huh?

Would you or would you not endorse genocide of all ethnic Jews? Simple question.

But you believe jews are just a religion, not an ethnicity. I am asking if Christians would support genocide of ethnic Jews, even if they converted to Christianity. Simple question.

pisstians bumplocked

I answered it directly, you illiterate sack of intl shit.

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We won, you cocksucking faggot.

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oh look, a shit bait thread full of shit and bait. How surprising.

We've had this thread at least a thousand times, it looks like the people in this thread copy all the dribble from the last of these threads and pasted it in this one. It's fucking limbo.
I admire Christians like Codreanu, Antonescu, Degrelle, Franco, Szalasi, Jozef Tiso, Mihailovic, Trump, Arkan's Tigers and the Ku Klux Klan. That being said, there have been great Christians in the past that would stand with us today, to dismiss any of these people as heroes of the White Race because they're Christian is the true D&C shill. Disliking Christianity isn't *always* shilling, but rejecting past heroes of our race for being a Christian however, is.

I don't think anyone rejected past heroes for being Christian. I think it's more that their greatness is often incorrectly attributed to the christian faith they espoused instead of being creme of the crop of european stock. That's the rub.

Oh and REPORTED FOR INTL :^))))