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I like the first two spider-man movies, Iron Man, Hulk (2008), the Dark Knight, both the Dark Knight returns animated movies, Batman (1966)… and I think that's about it.

I wish they would somehow make a good Superman movie. He's definitely my favorite character when handled right, yet he is rarely handled right.

Alan Moore, who wrote Watchmen, used to do some work for Marvel and DC.
He hated how they fucked with everything he created, so he went on this meltdown over superheroes.

Without going too in-depth, as it's been discussed so much over the years, Watchmen is actually a piss-take on superheroes.
Everyone has a stupid power that makes them useless, except for the big guy, Doctor Manhattan, who is a kind of Superman. He could fix everything in a flash, but he's a little bitch who doesn't want to over use his powers. He is set aside from everyone else as he's actually useful, and also visually, as he's bright blue while the rest of the book has dark colours.

Everyone else is a pisstake. Most are based on Charlton Comics characters, who Moore got screwed over by, but I'll use DC and Marvel characters as you'll actually know them.

There's super-macho Comedian, who is a kind of Wolverine; big, scary and a massive cunt. No one wants him around, but he's good at what he does. Also a lot like old Nick Fury from Marvel.
Nite Owl is based on Blue Beetle, but think of him as Batman. He's a useless character who has owl-themed gadgets. Useless character who only talks to people in the book.
Ozymandias is a mash-up of Tony Stark and Reed Richards; Iron Man and Mr Fantastic. Supersmart and instead of fucking around with capes, uses his smarts to actually better the world. He's the villain, but probably the only reasonable character in the entire universe.
Silk Spectre is a mashup of a few female characters like Black Canary. She's a pisstake on female costumes. Her mother gets raped because of her revealing costume by another hero, The Comedian, but she doesn't seem to care.
Rorschach is like The Question; masked face and just likes going around solving mysteries. He only sees things black and white, which is a big problem in the book as everything is grey. There are no heroes and villains.

Despite these amazing heroes with powers running around (remember their powers are useless and stupid), society hates them. They cause damage, kill criminals and just cause general chaos.
Ozymandias is the only one trying to make the world better, but even then he's a fucking lunatic and tries to kill the vast majority to fix the problems. In this book, the villain is the sensible character while the heroes are fucking everything up further, and the only character who can actually do anything prefers to fuck off into space for long periods of time.

The colouring in the book is drab and grey, to mock the bright, colourful appearances of other comics. Everything has to be grey and dull except for Dr Manhattan, the only true superhero. There's economic despair, constant wars that they can't send superheroes in to fight for, disease everywhere etc.

The panel layout is, famously, very simple; old-school 3x3 panels for the most part. There are panels that change, like a diamond in the middle with 4 panels in either corner, but 3x3 is the mainstay. The use of these simple panels is to make it feel like an old comic book, but in reality there's this dark, edgy story that would never of appeared in those older comics.

The story itself is a mockery. It's a stupid, over the top plot that makes no sense and takes multiple readings to understand fully. The heroes just let it happen around them until the final act, at which point it's too far advanced for them to do anything. The world is crumbling around them with no way out, yet they choose to fuck around over petty things. And the finale of the story is just "lol fuck this shitty place", everyone dies and Manhattan fucks off because he hates humanity and their shitty ways.

Everything about the book is a mockery of superheroes, yet everyone sucks off Moore's dick about how "right" he got it. He himself hates the praise he gets for it, just like all his other works. He's a very sad, pathetic man who holds grudges for decades, and just likes to whine about it. He can only get work on comics, but he hates them, so it's rather funny to watch. He just makes edgy shit for the sake of it, and idiots eat it up thinking it's something amazing.

He and Frank Miller's TDKR are the reason we started getting edgy things across all films. They pioneered the "grimdark, serious" shit you see everywhere, like Power Rangers, Transformers and Capes. Before them, everything was bright and fun, but then their works sold really well to casualfags who wanted everything to be serious and intellectual to use in bookclubs (Yes, both TDKR and Watchmen were in bookclubs and on The New York Times bestseller lists).
After that, everything had to be serious and mature to appeal to older people, instead of the children at supermarket check-outs who just wanted to see the hero punch the villain every week. The only thing I respect Alan Moore for is that he recognises this and wishes everyone would go back to the way things were, which he prefers to everyone mimicking his style.

Missed a lot of shit, and probably got some things wrong, but that's a brief run down.
You could, and people have, written university dissertations on the book.

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Though, comic books would have died even earlier if they didn't start to pander to "mature" audiences. By the 90s kids had better and more fun things to waste their time and money on than comics.

Maybe they should have. Comics now are just socjus scrawls. 'Edgy' gave way to 'Important.'

True.

Luckily capeshit comics are all but dead now and only exist to trigger some nerds and maintain legacy IPs.

Power rankings

Kino tier
The Rocketeer, Iron Man, Spiderman, Spiderman 2, The Incredibles, Conan the Barbarian, TMNT (the original version), X-Men and X2, animated films like TDKR, Dredd, Robocop '87, Bravo Nolan's Trilogy, The Mask
Pleb tier
The Avengers, MCU Phase 2, Most X-Men films after X2, V for Vendetta
The Cancer Killing Cinema tier
Any MCU film from Phase 3 onwards, Power Rangers, the abortion that was the DCU (yes, they are better than the current MCU but that's beside the point), Deadpool, desperately cringy cash-in sequels like Son of the Mask, Fantfourstic, Every Spiderman after Raimi's Trilogy

Feel free to add more.

Comic books started to die when writers attempted to ground them in reality and begun all that AU shit. Nobody gives a shit about 'alternate universes', if you want a hero or villain to do something radical then fucking have them do it.

Thanks a lot, user!

That wasn't based on a comic.

There' some animated Superman movies if you want.

I've seen them. Sadly the best it gets is this scene here, and I don't particularly like the evil Superman angle.

He has such an awesome potential for over the top action and justice, yet usually his fights are pushed to the side or happen off screen.

Shame to hear that. The only other fight I can think of is the one where he fights Captain Marvel in JLU.

Kino tier:

Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises

Acceptable:

Kick-Ass, Defendor, Super

Plane scene
Batman (1989)
The Incredibles
First Ironman
After credits of Plane Scene
All other capeshit

This is what ameritards actually believe, if you work hard and take steroids and do cardio then you're a post-human superhero.
No wonder Israel controls your country and Mexicans take your jobs.

all superhero movies belong in the trash except for TDR, and that's only for the areoplane scene

I mentioned they are all still shit, despite watchmen being one of the better ones. Sure it might be a shit adaptation of the comics, but it's still a decent enough flick even if it has no resemblance to the original. Just because a movie doesn't follow the original concept by the book, doesn't mean it can't be good.LOTR: The Fellowship of the Ring is a good example

original or shop?

Might be a shoop, the same artist deleted this one and plead forgiveness because it offended people. I could do a image search so we both knew for sure if OPs pic is a shoop or not but eh

The core themes are shit because it the equivalent of a 14 year old deconstructing the fairly tales loved by a 4 year old.

Ozzy's plan is shit because in the absence of an actual enemy to direct hostility toward you can't "unite" people against shit. There are no aliens, there is no enemy to attack to instill camaraderie or even cause a cessation of hostility. Even if he made 1000 squids and fucked up 1000 cities it would still be no different than an earthquake. We don't unite to fight volcanism and plate tectonics.

It's a shit book written by a leftist. Everything a leftist writes is inherently shit because it is disconnected from reality, specifically the reality of violence. We have plenty of data to suggest that leftists cannot think like a rightist, while rightists can accurately imitate the thought processes of leftists. This is why the left's portrayal of the right is always a strawman and their models don't accurately reflect human nature, they just don't get it.

Alan Moore doesn't understand war, MAD, or the factors that motivate human conflict. He is fundamentally disconnected from violence and thus cannot see it for what it is.

What defines these heroes and demi-gods are their mistakes and flaws. The problem is that the flaws and mistakes described in capshit are "flaws" as seen by a kike(most writters of the comics were jewish) hence they fundamentally do not reflect the values of most of the population except for liberals. And most importantly these flaws don't make them unheroic, the kike uses the flaws of a fictional character to indict real people who in their mind share this flaw. They are deconstructive of both the character and society. The flaws of characters in western literature define that character and describe what must be overcome for a man to be great. They are constructive by nature.

Just face it, Japan has surpassed the West with their cape kino in One Punch Man and Boku no Hero Academia.

OPM is deconstruction of the capeshit genre and BnHA is capeshit done right, fun, full of life and colour.

The problem withe superhero genre is that without a definite ending, they have no real development. It's just endless cops and robbers. I can buy that Batman doesn't want to kill a villain, but I have a hard time believing super villains don't just get fast tracked to death row.

So without an ending, they can't mature. They just go through the motions endlessly occasionally being given a gimmick to "mix things up". They don't even fucking stay dead. Superhero shit is melodramatic Looney Tunes cartoons.

Hence why Elseworlds stuff used to be so popular. Kingdom Come is bretty gud. Waid before he went full retard.

The only acceptable capeshit.

That…offended someone..?

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no, most of them have shit villains tough

This has got to be some right wing meme wizard playing star trek chess, right?

Yeah, the fact that the stories are made to be released weekly or monthly for an infinite period of time means that nothing interesting can ever happen. Characters never grow, die or anything. I have the same issue with most manga too, they're not very neatly constructed and while the origin story is usually pretty okay it just leads to filler until it stops selling and the author slaps a shitty ending on it.

Gantz is a pretty good example of that, great premise and nice art but it doesn't lead anywhere. Berserk is yet another. Japanese comics usually have acceptable filler but western capeshit doesn't even have that, that's why the films up until recently was just the origin story and that's it. There's no end point. You can't kill Spiderman in Spiderman 3. You can't change the character. The characters and the world are stuck in permanent stasis.

I much prefer oneshots or smaller series for this reason. Even the most dreamlike and bizarre story feels more real if you can't be sure that nothing will truly happen because all characters are expensive properties that will show up in the next couple of issues no matter what. I think the biggest mistake with the capeshit adaptions was not changing that, only one that really did it right was Nolan.

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Lefties are world famous for their complete lack of self-awareness.

capeshit is boring, all cgi, panders to sjws, played out, predictable, forgetfull, waste of money, and made by jews to promote cuckoldery, nigger bullshit, strong independant cat ladies, and globalism on all the young goyim.
The only people that enjoy new capeshit and star wars are braindead faggots.

From what I've seen most of the left does understand how pathetic cucks are though.
Occasionally they will make a stand and extol how great it is in an attempt to virtue signal, but in that action they are already admitting it's pariah status.

Remember that the entire cuck fetish stems from a lack of self respect, these are emotionally weak, effeminate individuals, questioning their own legitimacy throughout the entirety of their lives.
Questioning the validity of their fetish is just part of the mental illness (although they are not wrong in doing so).

If they were self-aware they'd actively seek to improve their situation, not wallow in it and virtue signal day in and day out.
They honestly believe they're upstanding, shining examples of humanity.

kek

I was actually going to make a "best super hero films" mosaic, but I was trying to settle on a suitable "best comedy films" mosaic first. List currently has 40 movies on it.

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People get hooked on emotions, wallowing in self hatred is something they need if they've lived it long enough while hearing about how virtuous it is.

Thing is, the left doesn't see themselves as shining examples of humanity, but of human morality, their body and their existence however they've been taught to hate.
They've learned to hate their race, and themselves for it's supposed crimes.
They've been told that humanity is nothing but a parasite destroying this planet.
Their ideology teaches them that nothing really matters, there are no higher ideals beyond hedonism.
Don't forget that socialism is the blackest pill one could ever insert up their anus.

It also explains quite clearly why the left is so full of cuckolds, it's only a natural in world where they've been taught that they're horrible that sexuality should involve some kind of punishment.
There's even something in there akin to extremely hardcore christians whipping themselves on the back for their sins, but with a big black dingus.

It's sad really, god knows how many people brainwashed from childhood to hate themselves and project that onto others.

LOL
oh come on, no way that's real

Pretty sure it's just someone poking fun at the retards.
Even Beverley Hills Antifa as a name is just a reference to them being trustfund kids.

Jojo isn't capeshit.

Great job Supes, destroy the city you're trying to save from the "bomb" so you can save it.

Is Superman retarded?

He's a kike.

Yeah, that was the point. Did you not read the ending where Dr. Manhattan tells him that the peace he created isn't going to last?

Manga is black and white though