How's it going this evening, user

How's it going this evening, user.
Anything interesting happening in your world?

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No, getting high and wondering If I will ever catch up to my peers socially speaking.

Getting high on anything good?
How far gone are you in relation to your peers?

Not that great
Things were getting pretty interesting until a couple weeks ago, now I'm just trying to get back to where I was in my self improvement process. Easier said than done

I tried a new haircut and all my friends didn't comment on it (good sign, since they wouldn't miss out on the opportunity to shit on my looks) and i even had a waitress ogle me from a distance.
In general it was a good night and it gave me some self confidence, I'm mostly trying to build up the courage to bring out my interesting side more.

Not tonight, just weed.
No benzos.
No cough syrup.

Im 19 and 6 days old and still haven't:
Had sex
Kissed a person non platonically
Had a job
Completed a year off college

Why aren't you doing so hot?
Well that sucks, losing hard earned progress blows. Did something bad happen then? nice numbers

Do you think it looks pretty snazzy?
I'd imagine it's pretty nice to have good friends, nice! Good confidence booster!
What do you mean, by your more interesting side?

Ahh well hey, weed's still pretty nice!
You a big fan of cough syrup? and by cough syrup do you mean DXM?
Was your birthday shitty? I'm in the same position, but i'm going to have to work soon or else i'll be homeless.

It makes me wish i never lose hair because i might wanna keep it for a year or two.
I don't wanna write an avalanche of text, sorry user.
Are you from /kind/ by chance?

I invited my entire fam to a fish fry and only 1 friend showed up because he remembered my birthday (i didn't ecen invite him he got major brownie points)
And yeah cough syrup is a great drug imo, more people should do it so I dont sound as pathetic as I am.
And yes, I mean dxm.
You got sny prospects before getting kicked out?
Try a temp agency, and bring your id and they will put you to work asap

I'm just here looking at the anime girl pics your posting. It gives me a real hard-on, shamefully.

Sounds like it's pretty great then.
Alright, don't worry, i just like talking to people. Uh nope! I checked it out a while ago and it seemed really neat, is it active at all?

Oh man that's unfortunate, always a shitty feeling, i haven't had a birthday party since i was around 12 or 13 i think. What a nice dude to remember and hang out with you!
I get that yeah, it's fun but it loses the appeal quick if you overdo it, how many mgs do you generally do?
I do, getting into a sweet job right from the get go actually!

Well i'm glad you like em!
Yeah he's pretty cute huh?

I also love talking, however doing it in public on b of all places is kind of a bad idea.

Yeah it's not the best idea, but people are usually pretty open! I'd talk to friends if i had some.

You're talking to me and i am your friend!

15 if I have a day with nothing planned. 10 or less otherwise.

I'm dying inside, OP.
Lonely as I am, I don't need friends, though.

OP, say something kind to me.
I will start…
Your feels are important to me, and I respect you. Your waifu is great.

Aw jeez that's nice of ya!
we'll probably never talk outside of this thread again though

What do you mean by 15 and 10?

Doesn't sound like fun!
Why don't you need friends, you just said yourself that your lonely?

You've got exceptional taste to realize their true beauty! I've never talked to you, but you found your way to this thread, so you're a cool guy in my book.
That's a really nice thing to say, user. Thanks you

husbando

I am lonely, like a lone wolf. Yes, friendship or any kind of relationship is hard to get a handle over… I typically don't befriend people because they're your typical breed of normalfag.
There's some benefit, being alone and all. I guess I do have your online friend, only a handful of them.
I always hated the idea of trying to have as many friends to look popular or just benefit from them. It's not what friendship should be about, but so many people have that outlook…
And yes, I appreciate beauty.

Well I suppose I'll tell you my story. It all started when I wanted to start losing weight, I started lifting weights, doing cardio, and eventually dieting. This was the start to my self improvement. Then I quit drugs, alcohol, and porn. I lost a lot of weight and started feeling a bit better.

Then some Mormon missionaries came to my door, and I decided to get baptized and join the church. Things continued to improve, and over the past couple months I hit my highest point. I was using my priesthood to help out at church, and then I was called to serve in a calling. Basically just means I do something to help the church.

That's where I met this girl. She is the person I basically report to. Our group is in charge of this dinner at this camp thing that I wasn't going to go to. She txts me one day and asks if I can help make some of the food, and I go to her house to pick up the shit. She asks me if I can go with her to the thing and help her out. At first I didn't want to, but the more I talked to her the more I thought she was pretty cute.

We head out to the camp and its a 2 hour drive. Most fun 2 hour drive I've ever had. We get to the camp and spend basically the entire time together, no one else from our group showed up. She starts talking about all the stuff she wants to do together. I tell her that it all sounds great. We drive the 2 hours home, I help her unpack, and she gives me a big long hug, before I drive home.

For about a week after that, I was just doing great. My social problems were starting to disappear. I was doing things I wouldn't have normally done before because they were outside my comfort zone. And then something happened.

Me and that girl had been texting back and forth the entire time, and hung out a couple times. One of the things we decided we would do together is go to these extra church related classes. So about a week and a half ago, I pick her up. Car ride there is great, class is great. Then on the way home her tone changes, she tells me she doesn't want to hang out with me and do all these things anymore, doesn't want to talk all the time anymore. Doesn't want any sort of relationship more than friendship. I don't know where any of this even came from, since she was the one talking about doing all of this stuff, and she initiated the txting. I never tried to push for more than friendship at this point. She's very religious so I kinda wonder if her family said something to her about hanging out so much.

I dunno though, that's what I've been dealing with. Just trying to figure out what I could have possibly done wrong, and how to proceed from here.

I didn't know it was a he, but my boner obviously doesn't care. I feel weird but in a good way.

15 mg/kg
Sorry.
That gets me a good 4 without using too much

well, if you can call hearing voices in your head who claim to be "the universal language of love" non-stop all day & night for close to a year now interesting…
don`t know what to make of it.
how are you?

I thought it'd be funny to take a shit on my cat… fucker ran thru the house, leaving a trail of shit everywhere… what the fuck was I thinking?

If you don't share your kik or discord, no we won't! Hell, if you really want i can add you on steam.

It's just one of those things i suppose eh, yeah i'm not fond of people i meet outside, i don't ever really leave but still
For normal faggots, it's some kind of big things to have tons of friends it seems regardless of the quality of friendship.

Sounds as if you were making some pretty massive changes and they worked out positively too, not a fan of church personally but to each their own, i'm sure the environment is really pleasant!
Awe man, that sounds like the beginning of
a romance movie or something! Was there any reason you decided to become a morman by the way?
That could be what happened, especially if she's sheltered i would think, maybe she feels something for you, you should try and bring up why she suddenly changed possibly, I've got no experience with the matter so take anything i say with a grain of salt.

welcome to the club buddy!
just found em the other day actually

Uh still confused sorry! I've only heard of dosing DXM in the hundreds of mgs.

That's a wacky thing to have to deal with, is it a bother?

Did you actually do that? If so, did you record it?

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Nothing gay here.
Pretty heterosexual.

I don't use many messaging services, i have discord though if that works?
i'd rather you posted yours if you don't mind

I'm not gay
How's your day been?

That is in the hundreds of milligrams.
15 mg for every kg.
I weigh 125 ish, which is a little more than 800mg.
Explanations are hard

But it looks like a girl tho…
Who cares, I'm fapping anyway.

very much so.
can`t get them to shut up. i have to play music or find some kind of distraction not to hear them.
it`s driving me crazy.

t. homo

Try Brutux #1106
I'm not sure how to share a discord tbh

feels good just to get that off my chest.
thanx.

You sure you're not gay?

What's your waifu's name, may I ask.
I'm doing reverse image search but I can't find his name.

Oh, i'm really dumb i'm sorry!
Brutal though! That's a ton, i was slightly uncomfortable during the come up with 300 so i can't imagine how intense that would be. Do you like other drugs as well?

Goodness, that's a mental illness of some kind i'd assume? Have you tired talking to a professional about it? I hear ringing in my ears pretty constantly if i'm paying attention to it, but nothing that rough.

I'll give it a go!
neither am i

Why do you ask?

Don't worry, i got you!
Try, Astolfo.

Thanks! I found what I was looking for! ^_^

No problem! Glad to see someone else appreciate them!

Other drugs are hard to find tbh.
I havent tried much but cough syrup is such a versatile drug, from just a psych high to full on hallucinations.

Weed is good for chilling with people of course.

I tried datura once on a dare, not worth.

And whe I was in high school I triple dosed ritalin every other day until junior year. That was nice.

You got any drug recommendations?

~!

I havent tried many other drugs, but cough syrup . . . *
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i saw one "pro" when it started who said it could be schizophrenia and wanted me to take medication but i didn`t want to.
did some research about it on my own and i dont think his diagnosis is correct.
it`s so crazy cuz no one believes me.

Ah, depends pretty heavily on location unfortunately.
Yeah, think it's classified as a disssasociative, pretty wacky. Datura? Damn lucky, how crazy was that?
If you like DXM, you'll probably like Ketamine and Nitrous, both can be pretty pricey but Nitrous is easier to get considering you can order it on amazon. If you haven't tried the obvious ones, then Acid, Mushrooms, and MDMA can be pretty glorious.

That's pretty lewd! Could at least spoiler the image!

I think taking medications for some stuff is silly, but if you genuinely have schizophrenia then it might be good idea honestly, you did your own research? What did you find out?

and as i say that i forget to spoiler it…

Yeah, up until this point I hadn't run into anything that had set me back too much.
Christians have very similar values and views to me(inb4 Mormons aren't Christians). I live in a very liberal state, and I've been looking for some way to find people that share similar values. Especially girls. I just don't find any attraction to these "empowered" whores that call themselves women these days. I don't really care about fucking a bunch of them, and it would take too much effort to break through the brainwashing and create something worth being around. So when 2 cute Mormon missionary girls showed up at my door, it was very easy to listen.

Mormons treat each other like a giant family, and help each other out in any way possible. Perfect for rebuilding a broken man, like I was. And religion itself is actually very useful. It's just kind of something you have to give a shot to understand why. In my opinion it has made me stronger mentally than I've ever been.

Datura is infinitely not worth, if that is anybodies everyday drug, stay far away from them.
I learned after it has a decent chance to kill you if it wasnt harvested at the right time.
Might order nitros, seems legit.

And some girl near me has xanax for trade I think

I respect your wishes.

There are two pedo threads up…

if i was still mod, i'd take care of that.

i have been considering taking meds if it helps but don`t want to end up all tweaked out drugged up or dead like Chris Cornell.
I looked into different cases of schizophrenia and people "hearing voices" and they don`t sound the same as what i got.
i tend not to believe in mainstream society. i guess i might be considered a "conspiracy theorist" type of person based on all the so-called research that i`ve done.

Gay shit

Well there's bound to be some bumps in the road, hopefully there are no more!
Would you consider yourself fairly liberal then, or? I bet that makes staying with someone a lot easier if you guys have similar political beliefs.
That makes sense, a lot of time around trash will have you jumping at the first sight of something clean. Sounds almost like Misaki
It's all a conspiracy!!
Comfy sounding, how were you a broken man before? I can't say i understand but yeah having something to give yourself to wholeheartedly can be nice depending on the person.

Certainly not, it's one of those one and done experiences i'd think. Oh wow, i didn't realize it could potentially kill you!
Gonna get ahold of the xanax? It's pretty pleasurable.

Awe shucks! You're a generous fella, much appreciated, gotta keep the waifu slightly pure. Saved two of those, thanks.

Yeah it's something else huh, doing anything fun with your time?

I'm not sure how meds would affect you, but i think it would probably be pretty helpful, well unless you don't really mind it all too much.
What do you mean by, so-called research?

Nope.

No open your legs

i just don`t believe any drug can solve any problems. even if it works it`s only temporary and acts like a band-aid and doesn`t fix the root of the problem.
research on the internet which is somewhat questionable, incomplete or "hear-say" and research from my own experiences and inner feelings.

Nah, more conservative. I like my guns, and traditional values. I don't like all the faggot shit and "diversity" being forced everywhere. I don't really think women need to have any sort of rights. That's a big reason I'm attracted to the church. Women know their place. Only men hold the priesthood and women help raise families. And none of them complain about that being sexist or whatever garbage these universities are teaching women these days.
Well, I had only 2 friends. One that I only talked to online, and the other I'd go to his house and do all sorts of drugs and shit. I had no plans to get a job, or have any sort of future. I pretty much gave up on women because the majority of them weren't worth being around. I was depressed, lonely, and had very little social ability. I wanted to just die, but I already told myself a long time ago I wouldn't kill myself. Now I guess I can say I have more friends, there's that girl I mentioned earlier that I'm just gonna be friends with and see where it goes. Then there's another girl I do things with sometimes, but she isn't my type so just a friend. The missionaries re-introduced me to a guy I knew back in school, and we do things together that don't involve getting wasted which is cool. There's a lot of people I see at church every week, and talk to when I'm there. I guess they are kinda my friends. The church has rebuilt me into someone that may have a future, and may actually have a chance at finding a girl.

i feel like not being alive

i know how you feel.

i hear that a fresh start is a good idea

"it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti-

"anti-social behavior is a trait of intelligence in a world full of conformist." -Nikola Tesla-

the voices tell me to value people and life more.
do more inner research.
become stronger.
and to find love, that love is the answer.

and to love yourself.

Doing anything at all?

Why would i do that?

Well some can be helpful temporarily, but they usually just end up with people hopelessly dependent on the meds, which sucks.
Yeah maybe a bit unreliable eh! Still interesting to read it regardless in my opinion.

That's pretty clear now! Yeah i'd prefer a partner that felt that way as well, i'm pretty disgusted by sluts. Nice!
You say had, are you longer buddies with them or something? Better have been good drugs! Yeah i know that feel all too well, that sounds like what I've been through as well pretty accurately. Really cool you've found more pals if they're neat! Not to sound like a cuck, but even if you're just friends, if you like being around them, then you've got something good at least. Neat man, how are you feeling about hanging out without using drugs? Judging from your posts, it seems like they've made a really strong impression and have been a big help for you.

Shitty feeling, why's that, user?

Neat quotes!

exactly.

thanks.

how do you stay so positive?

shame

Thanks for what?

Couldn't tell ya, honestly. Are you not very positive most times?

Shame?

shame

Shame?

Thanks for what?
fucked it up. thanks for "Neat quotes!" and for listening.
Are you not very positive most times?
def. pessimistic.

soundcloud.com/xdefconx/live-my-life

shame

Oh no worries! Thank you for chatting with me!
I get pretty lonely but i love to chat.
Harsh mindset, pretty realistic though.

Do you like that song?

Why?

I get pretty lonely but i love to chat.
Harsh mindset, pretty realistic though.

anytime.
i tend to be introverted and anti-social but just felt like i had to get that crap off my chest when i saw your post.
shit gets pretty hash and unreal for real here in japan.

Good to know, I'm glad you felt like doing it!
Did you move to japan, or have you lived there your whole life?

"moved" (long story short)

Do you like it?

Received a free Netflix account as a gift for leaving feedback for a HANSA vendor i purchased from. Pretty much what's going on in my life.

havent been on 8ch in literally years, but this thread seems comfy as fuck and im pretty sad, maybe you guys can cheer me up.

life is okay, i really don't have a reason to be sad but i am. i got my first job last week and my first girlfriend last month. i guess i miss innocence, i'm 17 and do a lot of drugs and aren't proud of myself. being in a relationship makes me extremely critical of my actions and i overthink everything, gives me anxiety which leads me to seek opiates for an easy, comfy blanket of happiness and relief. i'm not addicted, but i have a huge fear of becoming an addict, especially now that i'm getting paid.

help me

Exiting stuff, get anything good? Interesting life.

Not really, just purchased a vpn account since I figured I'd need one. Also it's really sad that alphabay is probably shut down for good :(

Here user, have a hug.

no.(longer story short)

proly why i`m hearing these voices.

all i can say is try to be thankful & appreciative of having a girl in your life.
there are a lot of lost & lonely people like myself who can`t get a girl to save their life who envy people like you… you lucky bastard.

Not much, set up i2p and connected to an irc and met some cool people.

Sorry to hear that you're feeling down user!
I get that, i was that way, still kind of am. I got bored and apathetic, why are you not proud of yourself?
Do you not overthink things normally? Maybe you're nervous and still adjusting to the fact that someone wants you?
Trust me on this, drugs are great, but it's a silly idea to try and deal with problems with drugs, it's how you get dependent really fast, especially when you're already feeling bad.

That's something! Yeah you never know when it'll come in handy, how much was it?
Unfortunate stuff.

What's the story? Maybe so, was it a dramatic change for you to move?

Sounds like a nice day, enjoyed it?
nice digits!

5 USD(0.0012 BTC)
Yea I did, meeting new tech oriented people is always cool!
thanks!!

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Nice and cheap that's good!
I bet it is, are you pretty big into all of that?
I'm tech-illiterate in all honesty.

Things not going so hot for you?

it's all faggots

well, i mean you're in here too, what does that make you then?

Yea it's working good. it's an hacked account tho
Yea, I enjoy that sort of stuff, I know some programming languages :p

not a faggot

Uhmmmmmmmmm I've masturbated like 9 times today and I woke up at 6pm so meh I'm just here on my bed with an incredible back pain and lack of motivation but that's all.

(the short version) i fucked up big time, got deported, struggling to adjust to all the changes (culture, society, language, etc…), finally thought i was free and clear and then voices started fucking with me.
more dramatic than i could have ever expected.

Does it matter much, that it's hacked?
What sorts of stuffs do ya know? I've always thought it'd really neat to learn but i'm lazy at heart.

Me too, nice to meetcha!

Quite a lot of fapping, that sounds like a great day to me! I only fap like once a day, if that, sometimes i'll just forget about it for a week.

not entirely sure why i'm not proud of myself. i hate to blame people for my problems but fucking baby boomers man, they really get to me talking about how much more successful they were when they were my age. i have a job, i've been trying hard to get a job for over a year but i just moved and was able to find a job quickly. thought that'd make me feel fulfilled, but i'm just confused about my future. i can not see myself making it to 30 years old, i'm so fucking lazy and unmotivated its unreal. the things you have to do as an adult are so intimidating. phone calls, appointments, a 9-5 job, and other responsibilities just daunt me. i've been a NEET for 2 years (high school dropout, GED) so that just adds to it.

thank you for being here, user. needed someone to type my thoughts to. i appreciate you.

I don't believe you

Ah yeah, I haven't been this horny in a while, but at days like this, raining and cold, with a crippling back pain that leaves me on the bed well there much left to do, other that wait for my recovery of course.
Not bad, although I would be very horny at the end of the day.
I normally fap 2 or 3 times a day.
Damn…
I could end up raping a tree if I went that far.

i thought it would fix every problem but it doesn't. i love having someone to love, but for someone like me it's just fucking degrading because you closely analyze everything you do/say and you let it fester in your mind until it builds up and finally shows its face in the form of emotional instability, and that's not a lovable quality, so that just leads to more overthinking and worrying. it sucks. i hope i'll get over it soon, maybe it's just because i've never been loved before and i'm completely new to this.

STOP MASTURBATING

How often do you think about the gays outside of Holla Forums?

Man it was lesbians and camwhores.

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Sounds hot

Could be grandiose expectations or something? I dunno, just taking a stab in the dark. Things are a bit different now yeah, there's a few industries where you can actually work up to a livable wage but you've gotta work at it.
Funny you say that, i had a similar thought recently, there's been one thing that's been bothering me and i finally got the issue resolved but i don't feel any better. Apathy is a real jerk. Hope you can find something to motivate you, i understand the feeling, having no desire to do anything gets old and sad quick.
No need for thanks, i'm here to talk! Thank you for chatting as well, makes me feel nice to be able to talk to others.

Trust me, i wouldn't lie to you.

Made me laugh reading that, you're right not much to do at all! What caused the back pain?
Do you need to fap that much? I guess i killed my sex drive at some point, i don't know, it can't be good though because i'm still young.

Man the fucking mental gymnastics you've got going on are out of this planet.

im the same way. im afraid of fucking everything up so i end up not doing anything then end up regretting it later. its hard to conquer that fear.

Welding and lifting weight without a belt.
Usually not, how old are you?
When I was 15 I fapped 19 times in one day my penis was red glowing sore and I had an urethra infection that forced me to quit masturbation for at least 3 days and I had to tell the doctor why I had the infection.

i'd forgotten what it's like to see someone give a shit about someone else's life
i'm having dreams again. sleeping earlier, who knew.

Circle jerking is kinda like talking to friends but you don't have to get super involved into it so it's not that bad dysnimia and his anti social autism kill the joy out of Holla Forums

everything is shit and its not even evening

That'll do it! lifting heavy stuff improperly will get you good.
19
Jeez! that's a pretty insane amount of fapping.
Yeah no getting away from that without some kind of repercussions.

That's not good, user, has it been that long?
Was your sleeping schedule not very good before?

Anything in particular that's shit?

lost job, has no money

Rough stuff, was it a nice job?
Also, how are you going to live with no money?

it was a nice job
ill look for any other job
i wanted to buy a pc - gonna have to postpone again

Hopefully you can find work, hard to survive without one!
It's a good investment but yeah bills and stuff are pretty important.
What are you posting from at the moment?

my old pc. I change them every 6 years or so, and this 1 goes on the 7th.

Oh, gotcha. That's a bunch of computers!
I'd imagine you are big into computers then?

I just landed a turd that smelt so revoltingly horrific, that even Satan himself would be disgusted. My wife called an ambulance. The neighbours called the Fire Brigade. Being constipated for 4 days didn't help… it had all that time to brew, ferment and ripen. Lord Saron would not have claimed that shit for himself… Orcs would have cringed in abject terror, I'm telling you! Even my dog fled, and is hiding under the house, refusing to come out.

That sounds familiar
If that's true, goodness! I think smell doesn't matter much as long as you're not shitting blood.
I don't know though, so i could be wrong.
Can't say I've been that constipated before, probably sucks, did it hurt?

Depends what u mean "big into". I just know bigger numbers r better and that my current numbers stop being sufficient.
Consoles have a shorter turnaround, but i dont care, since i dont play on them

Oh just like into putting them together and working on them and stuff.
PC is nice, i like it a lot more for FPS games.

i dont put them together often enough. I didnt assemble single 1 ive owned, until maybe the upcoming 1.
PC offers genres completely absent on consoles - strategies, adventure games…

Really? Isn't it more expensive to have someone else put it together for you?
Well console has strategy games, but the selection is really really limited.

its not a significant cost.
Whats with u, though? Hows your situation?

I'm on a pc at the moment, saving up a lot of money because i'm being kicked out, so i won't be able to upgrade for a little while.
I play pretty much everything though

kicked out of housing? Isnt that expenses, since u need to find sth new?

Yeah that'd be the case.
Mhm, it's pretty pricey so i'm just hoarding all my cash at the moment.
How's your housing situation if you don't mind me asking?

its stable, but its far from luxurious. I feel the pressure of owning your own place, but id rather buy it with cash, than with mortgage and im far from that

It's something at least! I'm assuming you work often then to support yourself?
Houses are insanely expensive, and you're right it'd be better to have it be your own.

i work less ofthen, than u think and it doesnt rly help knowing i dont hold jobs for long - im not fond of ppl.
why r u getting the boot?

Oh jeez, that's too bad! Do you not hold jobs very long because you dislike people?
Not sure, family just doesn't like me unfortunately. Feels bad, because i clean more than anyone, treat my mother with nothing but respect and i even pay rent on top of that, but i'm just a loser i guess..

milk them till they r dry and let them know who works the hardest. Dont let them throw u out.
Ppl dont deserve respect and i get into arguments. Ud think adults work that out among themselves, but somehow supervisors blame it all on me

I'm not really that kind of person, i might be a loser but there's no point in me making anyone else sad as well! No real choice in the matter.
I avoid arguments unless necessary most times, are you usually the one that initiates the argument? It depends on the work environment but most are like that probably, supervisors just want the problems to stop and the work to resume.

i wait till some1 throws sth out
try reasoning - living together is cheaper

perhaps i'm turning a blind eye on blips of compassion. sustained giving a shit still seems rare or insane to me
i don't like mornings, so i stay past midnight to sleep through it. don't know why mornings make me nauseous.

Ah i see.
Beyond the point of return, it is what it is now!

Could be so, people usually aren't selfless without a reason. Yeah seems to be a commodity eh, what's insane about it to you?
Early morning are pretty comfy, at least for me! Favorite time is definitely the middle of the night though. Wacky, i wonder why, that seems strange, have you tried to figure out what might be causing it?

the more you care the more it hurts
i'm weak, i guess.

You're right, it does hurt quite a bit, i know it's dumb, but i wouldn't be able to meet neat people like you if i didn't try!

oops, i forgot to ask, were you born weak then?

How did they kill the fun?