Good men inside the Soviet Union

He just copied it off of the Germans, user.

This myth again, that is wrong.

The AK actually works very differently than the Stg44, much better too.

They both have very different mechanisms. Just because they look similar doesnt mean they're in anyway related

Stop being a cuck, Stalin din du nuffin. Beria was a good boy. The germans got what was coming to them, don't play the vicitim after you attack another country. The soviet union repelled the invasion, it was done under the leadership of Stalin. People of the soviet union rallied together and really did do the impossible to win the war. Don't muddy the mermories of our grandparents, who fought hard to defeat a united Europe. Don't slander Stalin, you sly falsesayer.

Shoutout to all the butt hurt germans who got are upset that their invasion failed. The USSR wasn't as much of push over as the rest of the countries that were invaded by the germans.

Instead of complaining about the supposed boo-hoos done by Stalin, why not tackle actual problems, like mass immigration and the global financial pyramid. What are you sliding with this thread, friend?

Stalin actually did not like Beria, and Beria actually celebrated when Stalin died.

And as said, Zhulov and Kruschef got personal when it comes to Beria.

you see ivan when you is of baiting you get more (you)'s if you don't doublespace

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kill yourself

OP is a faggot

Stalin did resurrect the Church to bolster war morale.

He did purge jews.

And he did coin the ideology "socialism in one country".

The West had it much, much worse when the jew Trotsky escaped to America.

I guess we are so ideological pure that we reject to even respect some of our enemies.

Fuck of naziboo, your enemies are on your turf that was handed to you by your fathers and their fathers. The soviet union has been dismantled, it is time for you to move on. There are jews and muslism for you to be attacking, yet here you are, licking old wounds. Admit it, you aren't doing anything for your people to stop their real problems from slowly destroying them. US Israelie interests are harmful to Europeans, the real enemy is the puppet master that will sacrifice the white race to advance themselves.

The AK-47 did not make use of the constant recoil principle. The MkB-42, Mp43, & Mp/STG-44 however did.
This made the German Assault rifles more accurate (as well as a few other details) as the bolt did not the the back of the gun when it recoiled causing it to jerk to one side. The Western Allies and Soviets later figured this out sometime later in the post war (slow learners) and applied this innovation to their weapons.

I believe they had Germans on the team that designed the AK . I believe the trigger mechanism is identical to the Stg-44, the Later iterations of the AK also had some features "borrowed" off of German weapons development.

I'm not a naziboo, if I'm a naziboo I wouldn't even have sympathy for slavs, or worse, slavs in Soviet times.

Apparently we all fucked up at some point but English are an exception they fucked everyone including themselves when trying to keep their power.In the end of the day German didnt even want to compete with their empire.

Proof of this?

The Stg44 was rather unreliable and cumbersome in comparison to the AK.

The AR15 is different system altogether, and it was the FAL that was like the Stg44.

Don't get hung up on my ad hominem, that's just banter. Address the rest of the post.

Germany harbored their own destruction when they allowed the kikes like Marx to even live.

The biggest philosemites come from nowhere else but Germany.

You mean the commie who forced German POWs to make the AK? Can't believe there's Holla Forumsacks defending this cunt

Fuck the Soviet Union,fuck the Entente and the Allies eternally.

Not really.

The AK46 and its prototypes were a thing before Germany was defeated.

This is a history thread.

I absolutely detest the SU but the point remains that there were good men in that organization.

No point trying to explain things that are in the realm of reality.

This myth that Kalash ripped off the Stg44 really shows Holla Forums know no shit about guns.

The Stg44 was super complex in comparison to the simple AK.

Neither the AK nor the Stg44 invented new mechanisms. These mechanisms were already in existance.

What made the Stg44 special was the concept. An intermediate cartridge, a 30 round magazine, capacity for semi-automatic and full automatic fire, and so on.

The AK47 is the exact same concept, a direct copy of the German weapon.

If they swapped out a minor part of the mechanism, so what? And it's a minor part because they're both gas piston operated, the only difference is that the AK uses a rotating bolt instead of the mechanism of the Stg44.

In the end the mechanism is just a red herring to distract from the concept.

That minor part is how the gun operates, and the only reason guns are different at all.

And no, the Fedorov Avtomat already did all of that in WW1.

The Stg44 was just the first mass-produced in large scale assault rifle.

Read this:

btw the Mp-40 also employed constant recoil

It's hard to execute someone because they wrote stuff you didnt like so this is not an argument.Brits fucked continental Europe and dragged US into the conflict.Marx was a jewish scum it was expected from him to behave like that.

Kruschev, like many, many others that joined the communist party during the war, wasn't educated in marxist-leninist theory. The destalinification that was instigated Kruschev was the turning point of the USSR leadership reversing course from socialism and moving towards restoring capitalism. He was nothing more than a opportunist keen political operator that backstabbed the correct people to get into power.

Wrong.

Well of course. Both sides took their share of engineers and scientists.

Forgot link.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Schmeisser

Krushev effectively ended the state control economy held by Stalin because he allowed private property.

He effectively ended the SU as an ideological opposite to the Soviet.

That man should be awarded for what he did.

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Kalashnikov repeatedly lied about the work Schmeisser (inventer of the MP44) had on the development. Documents involving Schmeisser involvement in the AK are still classified.
In 1945 the USSR made 50 StG44s from parts and confiscated 10,785 sheets of technical designs. The original AKs were stamped but were later changed to use milled receiver.
All of these fucking commie shills in this thread
master-gun.com/velikie-oruzhejniki/xugo-shmajsser-v-izhevske-chast-1

Sure operation paper clip and other names for kidnapping important German scientists and engineers. The French and Canadians even "acquired" some.

Correct me if I am wrong but the the federov uses a full rifle cartridge the Japanese 6,5x50SR Arisaka?
If so then the weapon is simply just an automatic rifle which was fairly common.

AK was milled then stamped, though.

You cannot even get that right.

It used an experimental intermediate round, but later the decided to just use the looted jap 6.5mm.

Wrong he was a puppet thief who stole a German invention and re branded it. (Google Stg 45).

God more of this retardness.

The stg44 was different thab the Stg44 and that one was later evolved into the G3.

The stg45 was different than the stg44*

Federov operates totally differently than the AK or the STG-44 btw

intermediate compared to what they had in stock in other words it was smaller than 7.62×54mm in stock this does not mean a shortened kruz round rather it reads as if they simply made a 6.5mm caliber full rifle cartridge which was not picked up due to logistics. So not an "assault rifle".

probably was it was easy to chamber the Japanese round without reworking the weapon (increased pressures and round length etc.)

They stole the cartage evacuation system witch is the only unique thing to the Kalashnikov. Now shut the fuck up you retarded slav.

The fuck does that even mean?

The "AK". Which one? You talking about the AK-46 or 47? Jesus Christ, Holla Forumsacks actually believe that one of the best guns on the world was invented by a bunch of commie Slavs. The shilling is hard

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Take it to /k/ anons. If you're not newfags you know where that shit belongs.

The ak46 was modified into the ak47, and it was made by Kalashnikov.

The ak46 was a prototype and was a thing before the war ends.

Intermediate means smaller rifle round compared to normal rifle round. The round Fedorov was making was a cut down 6.5mm.

that was just a power grab

Let's talk Zhukov or Kruschev then.

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It must be nice to know that slavs are again slaves in Europe.

Daily reminder that slavs had tradition of making great guns.

The germans fucking love the PPsh.

*subhuman
Just woke up.

Also Holla Forums, this is embarrassing. The STG was an inspiration. Commie shit Kalashnikov didnt just copy it.
Please educate yourself before spewing anything. Please.
We dont want lolbergs from /k/ to further laugh at you.

Maybe if Im playing Red Orchestra. But IRL it was just another SMG.

So do Western Europeans.
And it is RUSSIANS who make great guns. Balkans doesnt have shit.

The Ppsh was cheap and reliable, and the fact it chews out bullet make it the best smg bar none.

And balkan make various ak clones that are also good. Love serbian guns.

Pole guns are also good.

AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAH, Kalashnikov was a retarded failure, his most popular gun the AK47 is basically a copy of a German rifle made during the end of the war

Sage because kill yourself you fucking apologist commie scum.

A retarded failure who lives till 93, and people make millions of AK, not Stg44.

Still more expensive than the Pps 42.

Holla Forumsidya /k/iddy confirmed.
Controlled, slow automatic fire is the best. Thats why the MP40 was THE staple of mass produced weapons.

Dying with precisely jack shit and no reward. Just a tap in the back and a shitty beton statue that isnt even bigger than him.

Stop fucking embarrassing yourself. Gun makers copy all the time and the AK wasnt a direct copy. Only the layout was.
Many features from many guns were incorporated into the AK.

There are better ways to trigger lolbergs and anarkiddies from /k/.
Vid related.

And it was almost a direct copy of the Finnish Suomi KP/-31 lmao

There were more AK and PPsh made than Stg44 and MP44, man.

PPS 43 was an improved PPSh 41, but they still make PPSh 41 after the PPs 43 was invented.

He gets rewarded a good comfortable life, a fucking wine business as well as a corporation named after him.
How does this make sense? There's no more Soviet Union, why is there still AK being made?

And?

The PPsh was used more widely, then the finns went on and made the Valmet followed the AK anyway.

And the PPsh fired 7.62x25mm, that was a stronger around than MP40's 9x19mm.

The confusion comes from the use of the word "intermediate". Intermediate pertains to the fact that the rifle cartridge is smaller in caliber than the standardized caliber of the time 7.62mm> 6.5mm. This does not mean that the round was not a full rifle cartridge. The Japanese round was also viewed as an "intermediate" round despite being a full rifle cartridge.

Again the Japanese round was chosen as it could be used in the Federov without major redesign which points to the experimental round being a full rifle round. otherwise the weapon would have been dropped as too costly and time consuming to convert over to a new caliber.

The biggest thing frontline troops loved about it over the Mp-40 was the ammuntion capacity. A 9mm conversion of the ppsh-41 that used the 32 round stick mp-40 magazine was not very well recived despite being good smg.

Also the Germans made heavy use of any and all smgs they could everywhere. Mp-40 production while high was not as much as they needed.

The ppsh-41 was a good smg but what is really excellent about it is the fact that the Germans captured large amounts of them as well as large amount of soviet ammunition and finally the fact that Germany actually produced and had stockpiles of German made ammunition that the PPSh-41 could fire the Mauser 7.63×25mm which the soviet made Tokarev round was based on.
Who wouldn't make use of pretty good weapons that you have plenty of ammunition for, can be immediately used to fill holes in your smg units, and outfit even more troops with automatics quickly? A similar thing was done with the Beretta smgs among others.

No shit. With Lend Lease and winning the war, you must be lower than niggers not to.

Yeah, because like I said, slow controlled fire from a cheap gun is better.
Ppsh was a downgraded copy of a Finnish gun that wasnt even that good.
And still so expensive they tried to make an even cheaper gun.

Doesnt matter though. Mp40 was the king of mass produced SMG and this will live on forever in the history of firearms.

Which he had to open himself. Based USSR rewarding good men, heh?
Was the the chairman? Did he own a large share of the corporation?
Oh wait, no.

Even if you talk about pure energy, it is only marginally "stronger" like 100J of MUZZLE ENERGY (for some loads, some), at the cost of a significantly smaller and lighter bullet.
This is like saying HK 4.6mm or FN 5.7 is better than 9mm because they can penetrate some antiquated Cold War helmets.

Good to know that /k/iddies are still as retarded as always.

We are splitting hair at this point.

There's no evidence that this 6.5mm experimental round was a full power rifle round.

*Was he the chairman?

Get the fuck out Holla Forums.

GO
>>>Holla Forums

Assault rifle is a political term, and the name of the Stg44.
No other fully-automatic, semi-auto, or select fire infantry rifle is an assault rifle.

What's the difference between an "assault rifle" and a rifle? Scary black paint and utilitarian furniture.

You are pretty much insane at this point.

The MP40 is somehow the greatest mass-produced smg in the world, yet it's not even the most mass-produced.

And no, 7.62x25mm is stronger than 9x19mm, no matter how you think it's the lighter, it's a stronger and faster round.

Assault rifle is a loose translation of sturmgewehr, which means storm rifle.

Assault weapon is the political term.

Jesus christ, at least get it right.

In soviet stocks.

Yes there is the fact that they immediately chambered it to the Japanese caliber with out a major redesign of the weapon.

German production was smaller than the US and USSR due to pre-war related jewry. WWII was not supposed to happen especially not in 1939.

The AK was made 7.62x41mm before 7.62x39mm, we don't know if the Fedorov didn't have redesign or not.
Even after the war, people didn't rush to make MP40 or MP44, ton of foreign nations still rush to make PPSh and AK.

It is the cheapest. Not as cheap as the grease gun or sten but not as shitty either.
It was the perfect balance of controllable firepower and cost.
Of course Germany cant produce as many guns as the rest of the world under constant bombing you dingus.

Were you not a retard you would already know why people tend to use heavier bullets for any given cartridge if they want "stopping power".
Unless you go all the way to the realm of 10mm and .357 magnum, there is literally nothing but diminishing returns for using smaller and faster bullets.
Which is the reason why 9mm and .45 are still the kings of semi auto handguns. They produce good, big wounds. Which is also why the Russians used the even weaker but bigger 9x18 Mak, because 7.62 Tok is a piece of shit and a meme like the mosin nagant.

Because German toolings were destroyed you fucking retard.

I'm Russian. If the Nazis didn't shoot themselves in the foot by betraying the CCCP and didn't consider the Slavs a subhuman race they might've had a better chance at winning.

Serves them right.

Well, after all was said and done, you end up as subhuman slaves, again.
So no harm done, really.

Jesus, the MP40 is not even the cheapest, later the germans were mimicking the Sten and made an even shittier clone of it.
It's barely even reliable due to the stick mag.
How about after the war?
Which is why the whole world gets back to 9x19mm, which is a tiny bullet.
Plenty people in the 3rd employ still employ 7.62 Tok though.
Oh boy.
Not even true, a lot of german toolings were in fact saved, that's why H&K even existed after the war, they didn't just build new toolings.

Compared to who?

The germans in this board have an insane superiority complex, with nothing to back it up.

How are we subhuman slaves?

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That is not much of a differences in pressures might have been acceptable . Also assuming there was some retooling to fit the slightly larger round this is a post war weapon you have the luxury of money and time in times of peace.
a major design in a time of war usually means cancellation

Same people will turn around and insist the .45cal is better than the 9x19mm "because bigger…."

wow call of duty teir garbage

The Germans had to borrow an Mg-42 from the Americans in the post war to make one as the plans were destroyed at the end of the war.

Rheinmetal
Nothing even implied that all the toolings were destroyed.

To be fair, the Fedorov was made in really late WW1 when the fighting was calmed down.

They had time to redesign it.

Well, to "back it up", there are millions of Russians alone in Germany. Same for other slavs.
If Germany was so shit, why would they be here? Why didnt they stay in glorious motherland?
Why do they invade western Europe like cockroaches (Turks and other shitskins)?

That is what I said you illiterate subhuman retard.
Maybe you should go to school again, subhuman.

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WEW

Are you fucking retarded? Who in their right mind would rebuild toolings from the scratch when they can receive whole free factories from nations with intact industries?

Which is why I said 9mm and .45 are still the kings.
Another of example of slavic literacy.

Literally nigger like.

Like what, North Korea? Africa?
I sure as hell can say NOT THE RUSSIANS you fucking idiot.

You triggered? Vid related.

Did you even look at the parts of the MP40 and the MP5? Some toolings were saved.
But not all the factories and toolings that were used to create the mp40 were.

Try harder. I call you subumans, that doesnt mean I defend BRD GmbH.

Pretty sure nobody said that here, bud.
And .45 does create bigger wounds. Whether that is important or not, is up for debate.

You said it is the cheapest, it's not even the cheapest SMG germans used.
To this day, the ruskies still employ 7.62 tok in smaller numbers.
They had some toolings remained you fucking moron, Germany was not even completely destroyed to the point where every gun factory was melted down.
The MP5 was a new design based on the Stg45's delayed roller lock system, but the point remains that if the MP40 was so good, they would have made the MP40 instead of the MP5.
Nigger what the fuck? So apparently, all the toolings for the MP40 and MP44 were conveniently destroyed after the war, yet toolings for MG34/42 remained?

If Germany was so good, why are there millions of germans in America?

Your point does not make sense.

You say 9mm is superior to 7.62x25mm because it creates a bigger round, despite the fact that .45 creates even a bigger round, thus .45 must be superior to 9mm.

The only reason 9mm is preferred is because how widespread it is worldwide, and pistols in general are useless in combat.

They still made a Bizon in 7.62x25mm too.

I said not as cheap as a sten or grease gun but not as shitty as they are either.
Additional information, cunt.
Are all slavs this illiterate?

So you see, generally reliable.
Learn to read.

And even Canada still issued .303 british until a few years ago too.
Doesnt mean shit. The main cartridge for Russian handguns and smgs are now the 9x18.
Eat shit.

And if you werent a low IQ subhuman slav retard, you would know that although the mp40 was cheap, it wasnt the gun with the least number of parts.
Mass producing cut the price of the mp40, the design was secondary to its affordability.
Stop embarrassing yourself.

Same for the ppsh41 or ppsh 43 you fucking subhuman garbage. They dont exactly produce more of that shit after the cold war was over, no?
Do people even go to school in slavland? What kind of argument is this?

The MP40 and 44 have a higher number of parts than most guns. Thats why when most factories and machines were destroyed after the war, it wasnt worth it to continue producing these guns, which always were meant for mass production.

Maybe I have to use a simple real life example from another aspect of life for your tiny subhuman brain:
There is a reason people in really poor countries use wooden and metal furniture and tools instead of plastic, although such materials are theoretically more expensive than plastic.
Because plastic are mass produced items meant to be made with fuck huge factories you subhuman retard.

Because they are traitors. And most of them dont even speak German anymore. So they integrated.
YOU on the other hand…

I know you would try to worm your way like this.
This is the levels of most common and dominant handgun cartridges:
-22 lr
-9mm
-.45
-.357 mag and up

Between all of these, are countless gimmick cartrideges that utilize smaller and faster bullets.
Which have never beaten the aforementioned calibers out of their places. Why? Because they are the perfect mix of power, speed, size and weight for their respective category. They produce effective wounds for their level.

I know slavs are retarded subhumans but you should at least try to spark some neurons in your brain.

The 7.62 tok were once the dominant East Block caliber too. Why did they change it into 9x18? Because smaller, faster bullets are usually gimmicks and shit.
Like most slav guns too.

And now they employ 9x18 in every SMG and handgun 99.999999999999999% of the time in Russia.
What does that say?
That you are retarded.

So apparently the Sten and grease guns were shit, but somehow they were still made and used in the Cold war. No, that doesn't make sense.

Learn to read the other part.

It is 9x19 now, simply because how widespread 9x19mm is.
Oh please you fucker, even late war germany cannot afford to mass produce the MP40.
Because there is no more need for it since they can make AK now, and AK > SMG.
If the guns are good as you say they are, they would continue to be mass produced, but you don't see.
If you look in China or Vietnam, you would see them employ more plastic furniture than wood or metal furniture, so that's a retarded point.
Or you miss 10mm, .500 S&W and ton other round, you are dimissing other huge and slower rounds to shit on smaller and faster rounds, despite the fact .22lr and 9mm are exactly that.
Or because 9x18mm and 9x19mm are really close to each other, and pistols don't matter shit in war.
More slav guns are still used in the globe than german germans.
And? A bizon in 7.62x25mm was still being made.
You have been repeating that shit for awhile now.

Commie apologists fuck off.

I do not make excuses for the SU, but it's retarded to say there weren't good people in the SU.

Because they are garage guns. Nobody says they are expensive. But nobody says they arent crude pieces of shit that was reliable either.

I read the other part and the text still concluded that the Mp40 was generally reliable at the start?
Did you even go to school?

Sure. So Russians actually abandon ALL the cheap Soviet toolings to adopt the 9mm.
So you see, 9mm is something.

Because late war Germany was basically Brandenburg sized and bombed to shit, you subhuman retard.

What the fuck is this? This wasnt the question or the debate.
Are you trying to worm your way out of this?
I warn you, you already look like a retard.

You slimey subhuman piece of shit. You literally just said your own opinion why SMG isnt popular anymore.
Am I talking to a kike? This is going nowhere.

Ok, listen here again, you pathetic subhuman piece of shit:
During the war, Germany was bombed to shit.
This seriously affected the production of guns that were meant to be mass produced with many factories making many different parts.
The mp40 was like plastic tools and furniture. Both required huge, expensive and numerous facilities to produce. Their payoff is the low cost of the end products.
When just one cog in the machine fails to perform, like when you are poor or bombed to the ground, the mass producing gets to a hold. So no more cheap mass produced gun/plastic for you.

Get it now, you low IQ toilet cleaner?

Actually I have been to Vietnam and talked with many old people. Up until the change in the economy in the 80s, Vietnam was old school to the bone and the vast majority of items were made from wood, hay and metal.
Try harder.
And Vietnam after the 90s isnt poor either. How about you go to some villages on the mountains in South East Asia to see if they use plastic or wood, metal and hay? Same for China.

Some nogun basement dwelling polish subhuman is lecturing me about the world. Fucking hilarious.

The 10mm is my favorite, but it isnt actually using a SMALLER bullets, is it? Same for the 500 S&W.
GOD, like talking to some illiterate retard.
Folks, this is what a common slav is like. A retard.
Here I go again:
The 4 most common handgun cartridges that categorize themselves into respective levels:
-.22lr
-.9mm
-.45 acp
-.357 magnum (10mm can be here because it is slightly heavier and bigger but just as fast)

The 10mm isnt a smaller bullet is it? And the .500 is so out of place here it isnt funny. It just shows me that you are a retard.

Im not saying shit, you retard.
Im saying not one of the gimmicks have ever beaten the .22, 9mm, .45 and .357 out of their places for a reason.
It is because they are shit, gimmicks and not worth it.

Already try to red herring already, eh?
Im not talking about some "real wars" that you know so much about, armchair /k/ommando.
Im just saying even the Russians realize that 7.62 tok is a piece of shit and went out of their way to copy a German caliber.

Stay fucking triggered.

So? Chinese shit is popular too.

For whom? Who used it? What is the main handgun cartridge of Russia?
Thats right, not your piece of shit.

Because you are a lying, disingenuous slavic subhuman piece of shit that knows nothing about guns, never shot one.
Worse, you are dishonest for some reason or are just fucking illiterate.

Anyway, to end this autism and let me enjoy my Sunday.
The 7.62 tokarev is such a piece of shit, the Russians went out of the way to produce a weaker copy of an 100 years old German caliber that is adopted by the rest of the world. And then adopt that as their main handgun cartridge for decades. And now, like you said, they are going for the 9mm proper.
Eat shit.

oh shit nigger, go tell /k/ quick!
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Kalashnikov was not a particularly rich man nor a CEO.

But he lived a comfortable life with his children to his death.

That was a good life, if you think that's a failure, you do not know what a good life is.

His designs (the AK, the PKM) are two most used assault rifle and machine gun in the world.

Only an autistic, slavic piece of shit would say that living a life in which proper rewards were never yours is good. Also, his apartment was a rundown shithole like those in Vietnam and China.
Good life my ass.

He was a soldier who did what he was ordered to do. The blame is on the system, not the man.

Sten and grease guns were continued to be used in the Cold War, unlike the WW2.
If the soldier has to learn to NOT do something in order for the gun to not fuck off, the gun is not reliable.
Makarov is still the norm but they are switching to 9x19 because everybody is using 9x19mm.
And they still manage to manufacture the Sten clone, not the MP40, yet you continue to say the MP40 is the cheapest.
You said why they don't make PPsh anymore, I said because they have AK now.
Atfer WW2, during the Cold War, SMG were still widely used, especially the Grease gun and PPsh, but you don't see people remaking MP40 in large number.
You realize then that product isn't cheap right? The afghanis and other shitskin make $100 AK out of their own shit-tier mills.
That's because they don't have access to plastic factory, but even the poor people in urban Vietnam and China employ plastic. But this is besides the point, even african tribesman employs the AK, not the Stg44 or MP.
You said that all gimmick bullets are smaller and lighter rounds, that's not fucking true, like for example 10mm.
They are not beaten because they are the most popular cartridges that work, they are not the best or even the most poweful.
7.62 tok was employed regularly in the Cold war and still does now.
The east germans themselves employed PPsh in 7.62x25mm.
Chinese guns are mimics of slavguns.
Various LE and military force, 9x19 is now the main handgun catridge in Russia, but they still regularly employ 9x18 and 7.62x25.
I'm not the one who claim 9x19mm is better than 7.62x25mm.
They are doing it because 9x19 is more widespread, not because 9x19 is more effective or anything like that.

Don't bother. Holla Forums would rather call soldiers zogbots itching to kill people and rape babies rather than pawns of a system

This is a stealth Holla Forums thread.
Why are you faggots on our board sliding our shit?
Are you just still ass mad about the Bern who shall not be named?

Go back to your containment board v v v
>>>Holla Forums

I guess you have to live in a mansion in order to have a good life.
Kalashinkov got his reward, now everyone who knows of assault rifle know of his name, unlike any krautshit weapon.

btw sage ur responses goyim

Holla Forums fucking hates Kruschev actually.

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Considering all the other /leftyshitpost/ threads that are sliding the the board right now, I'm wagering that this is something meant to distract us.

It's a coincidence on my part.

Then again, every threads are slide threads anyhow.

SAGE

This

Every thread not about Trump is a slide thread now

There are no good Russians. There have never been good Russians.

Once we get our shit together, it's up to Europeans to get rid of the Asiatic menace once and for all.

To the Urals, comrade. Hail victory

I think Holla Forums should have a healthy talk about the good and mostly bad parts of the SU.

But people are too hung up on lol subhuman slav lol now, they are pitiful, unwilling to see outside of past conflicts.

And for what reasons? More brother killing while the jews laugh?

The Good part is it's gone.

Then it's all good.

But there were good parts of the SU, even when it's still existing.

Fucking come try stop us.

So this IS a Holla Forums slide thread.
What makes you think you'd have any more luck today than you ever have?

Holla Forums generally hates the SU after Stalin kicks the bucket.

I'm trying to say that there were good men under the SU, while you are basically saying they are all scums.

Jews started and ran the bolshevik revolution. They fucked it up, like they always do.

Stalin might have been a Jewish asshole (debates about this) but he realized the power of the orthodox church and gave it some leeway.

You look at all the ww2 leadership in USSR and the heroes and highly decorated… no Jews.

After this the power of Jews in USSR declined. Khruschev came in and purged a bunch of assholes like Beria (Jewish of course) and then USSR rebuilt a bit with stolen German tech. 60s was space race, 70s was the stagnation, 80s the renewed fight and arms race leading to exhaustion.

And the purpose of that distinction?
The only possible reason you could be trying to do this now of all times, is because you want to try and make the soviet union more appealing.

I said Russians, didn't I? Not brothers. You know, the eternal bane of Baltics?

Up to me, I'd genocide the whole lot on this side of the Urals.

Aye, we will. The world will belong to either whites or Russians.

It's high time it was decided.

Because there are stuff about the SU we could use, such is their rocket technology, rifle technology and most of their military technology in general.

The SU in general is also a huge nostalgia pride for the ruskies, in the same way as the Reich for the germans, so we can use the SU as a nostalgia point as well.

The baltics are actually fucked by both germans and russians regularly.

But this is not the time for brother war.

Almost all of their technology is either already in use, or heavily outdated. They are not the Nazis, their scientific advancements weren't close to where the Germans were going. Also by the way you type it's clear you're either Russian yourself and therefor a traitor to your own people, or shitposting.

Are you actually retarded or did you post this as a joke?

Boy you seem to know an awful lot about Holla Forums
What a funny (((coincidence)))
Go away /leftyshit/ nobody here is going to get converted by your forced USSR meme.

Fucking Sweden has better innovations in mil-tech.
All of Russia's is pirated including their original nukes (which they got from the U.S.)

Stalin did nothing wrong tbh.

The russians today are still unbeatable regarding rocket, missile and AAA tech.

They do not have innovation, because they improve on various technologies.

Even their nukes, while hugely inaccurate, are actually stronger yield than american nukes.

34% of ruskies love Stalin, and are rising.
References to the Great patriotic War are made daily.

Retard detected.

And, there is nothing in current German arsenal that is superior to the ruskies.

This is the same in WW2.

The germans weren't using space age tech.

You know they reason they made those yeilds so high was because they couldn't get their ICBM's to shoot strait, right?

Try making some sense next time you post.

They can get their missles to shoot straight and further than US missiles now. Patriots are a joke compared to their S-400 and now S-500.

But ICBM, now they don't care, because they want to use them as strategic weapons, as in, as much as damages as possible.

Then looks like we need to kick their shit in, ey?

Slingshotting a dog into the sky doesn't make you a spacefaring civilization Ivan.

Ah, yes, more brother war.

The ruskies were the first into space, no matter how the germans would like to say about it.

In fact one of one of the reasons the U.S. was able to get their ICBM's was because the U.S. had, wait for it…

German Rocket Scientists.

Feel the Bern Comrade.

That's blatantly false. They made plenty of advances, for instance they were the first to try reactive armor and have it blow up in their faces, but still.

These facts are repeated in every Cold war thread, we know.

But we never know how much they were involved.

The nazi rocket tech was basically Edison's direct current compared to the ruskies's alternative current.

And automatic loader.

Stop fucking saying Ruskies dude, we get it you're a butthurt Commie.

I don't see the problem?

What do you want me to say? Slav? Rus?

Holy fuck you guys just won't leave us in peace.

You have to go back Ivan.

Germany was mainly ruined by allied bombing. The difference between East and West Germany is there because the Americans rebuilt Western Germany. It was in worse shape than the eastern parts in 1945.

Go back, where?

wot.

Pick one. The Americans and the British won for Zog, the USSR won for itself.

to Holla Forums no shit.

T-64 and beyond my friend.

But why?

Tanks loaders don't mean shit.

Ruskies were the first one to put them into tanks.

Communism is Shit
USSR is therefor also shit.

Nobody is saying the USSR was great, just that they were good men in it.

Lol at >>>Holla Forums tier logic.

I've done quite a bit of traveling, and have met a few Russians in my time, and I found I liked those I met. And although I was American, they never professed any profound dislike for me, either.
I decided that all the hatred & competition was probably some kind of propaganda mind-fuck, and made the decision I wasn't going to be duped by it.

If you're talking Bolsheviks, then yes…I think they were murderous and destructive.
But I have never met a Bolshevik Russian, just American Bolsheviks, which plague our country like a disease.

Russians I quite like.

Holla Forums doesn't even consider the USSR a good thing apart from the tankies.

Well they diverged from the path to ideologically pure communism back in 1920 when Lenin issued the NEP (New Economic Policy). It allowed peasants and farmers to have private property. This happened because the forced collectivization made a famine during the civil war and they feared the peasants would side with the White Army.

Later Stalin continued the collectivization, which lead to the great famine in Ukraine. From there the USSR had a planned economy. The Party made five year economic plans. The plans had goals which they couldn't reach so they manipulated the statistics to please the political leadership. In reality, the Soviet Union could not supply its own people with food, they relied on trade deals with the Warsaw Pact countries.

And the tankies even hate the USSR after Stalin is dead.

Fucking kill yourself.

I find more russians in favor of nazbols than actual bolsheviks surprisingly.

No. There is no such thing as a good Communist.

Bullshit he did. Russia is just as infested now as they were then. Russia is basically the cesspit that infected the Western world.

I'm talking about Kruschev, who liberalized the USSR and effectively destroyed the great commie-alliance by pissing off Mao.

There are less jews in Russia now than in France, Canada and the USA.

When Trotsky won his revolution, one of the first things he did was to slaughter as many as 30 million native Russians (nobody knows the actual number, but it was huge).
Perhaps that has something to do with it?

You seem unreasonably mad, Sergei.

Do you miss the Soviet Union? The breadlines and corruption?
It's understandable, since nowadays you just have the corruption.

All the prominent Jews fucking up France, Canada, and the US have Russian roots. Russian Jews are the worst Jews. They're the most subversive, rich, connected Jews. They're the ones that infected our schools. They're the ones who took over our media.

I thought the Frankfurt School was German Jews that Hitler ran out?

I believe the jews are already the worst jews.

But the point is, they left Russia.

There is no difference. Jews are Jews.

That's because Holla Forums are mostly democratic socialists larping as commies (just look how they all jumped to support Bernie even though real socialists and commies all knew he was a ruse) or they are subhuman Trotskyist SJW faggots.

Stalin wasn't a communist hardliner either ways.

Still, I believe men like Zhukov or Kalashnikov didn't fight the nazis because the jews told them to, they fought because the nazis attacked them.

Was a faggot. But Zhukov was ok. A lot of Soviet officers were ok.

It went something like this:
1. Imeperial officers got purged.
2. Commie fucks took their place.
3. Finland and Germany BTFO the commie fucks.
4. Normal working class guys took their place and won the war.
5. After Stalin died there was a power struggle and the officer corps got purged multiple times, some good people but lots of bad.
6. USSR fell and the worst Soviet officers pocketed taxpayer funds, used their power to sell of weapons and get rich. Good Soviet officers tried to hold it all together.
7. Shoigu was put in place by Putin/Medvedev, and the Russian military seems to be back on track for something good.

Well, yeah, that is what made Stalin at least a little respectable (and definitely the best of those vying for power at the time).

It's the truth m8.

Thank that ti Yeltsin who imported the western degeneracy. This shit (aside from alcohols) was nowhere during communism, it got there after the fall of USSR. This is the reason Eastern Euro cuntries aren't as much subverted as Western Europe or America.

Khrushchev weeded out Stalinism, and indeed he pissed of Mao, but they remained hardliners until Gorbachev introduced Glasnost and Perestroika.

Kruschev basically doomed the USSR, so he was actually a good guy in the end.

And he purged Beria, one very sick fuck.

The USSR was better than the west, though. Kruschev was just a bourgeois coward and useful idiot who set back the Russian historical mission.

It wasn't. You know full well planned economy isn't going to take the USSR anywhere.

Cult of personality too since Stalin cannot live forever.

Kruschev gives the liberals a chance to regain Russia back to its root, being a feudal/capitalist society.

No. For one thing, feudalism=/=capitalism.

And another, Russia was never truly capitalist nor was it liberal. Both are opposed to the Russian spirit.

The russian spirit allowed private property in the past, it did not accept communism.

Private property is not capitalism. It is necessary but not sufficient for capitalism.

Russia was never capitalist and was never liberal. And it should be neither.

In the communism, that is all it takes to be capitalist.

You might have other definition, but that is enough right to own a corporation.

The fuck are you on about he's the one who commanded the attack on Berlin

Zhukov purged Beria.

As far as I know the Jews in Germany were influenced by and funded by Russian Jews.

Leaving Russia doesn't mean they don't still hold the same influence over Russia that they did before, which they do. Russia is the original Jewish state. Fuck Russia and their subversive, beloved Jews, which they coddled and protected and gave so much power to. It all started with Russians.

Not true. Russian Jews 100 years ago were significantly worse than Jews in other parts of the world. They're the ones who founded much of the networks and power structures subverting society. Some dumb Jew in a New York slum, or some suburb somewhere, doesn't have any affect on that.

You're fucking retarded…

Not really. Most Marxists delineate between feudalism and capitalism, and they place the origins of capitalism in the early modern period (and varying from place to place, never truly reaching Russia).

Hitler was a madman and a failure. Deal eith it.

Communism primary goal is the abolition of private property.

No private property, no bourgeois, class war is completed.

Destroying your own country and harming your own people is not good you fucking idiot.

Incorrect.

No, those were originated in Amsterdam, Germany, USA, and London. You are probably coming from a bluepilled cold warrior point of view, that USSR was behind alll subversion and so on. This is not the case. The Jews of the capitalist west have proved much more subversive (Frankfurters, Freud, Boas, Emma Goldman, etc.).

And there is no difference anyway because Jews are Jews.

The Soviet Union was a multi-national state, only its destruction can free other nations in it.

That doesn't mean it is the sole indicator of capitalism. It is necessary but not sufficient, meaning that getting rid of it would end capitalism but simply having it does not make capitalism.

As long as have private properties, the commies will hate you for being bourgeois.

This is why everyone right of marx is a fascist to them.

Which was resurrected because he tried to kill it
Socialism in one country while ruling over other countries that were very clearly not Russian. Him dissolving other governments and executing anyone that could attempt to regain national sovereignity does not sound very nationalistic.

It was that jew Lenin who killed the church.

And yeah, Stalin did think the whole USSR is one country.

is this what slavs actually believe? Stay delusional ivan, your AK47 was invented by nazis.

Not this shit again.

That's empire, man. How it has worked forever. USSR just became an extension of the historical Russian imperial idea. It wasn't sustainable because communism is a false idea, but the impulse was the same.

Not entirely just Russian imperialism. The ideology of Communism makes it necessary to attack and subvert those that do not follow it until they destroy all expressions of national identity.

Apparently the coup plotters against Gorbachev were collaborating with Pamyat (a Russian nationalist group) and planning to distribute copies of the protocols.

You know the Rotating Bolt that Locks up the Breach on an AK-47 is more in line with the Garand rather than the tilting bolt found on the STG right? Then again you're a nofunz.

Patton hated Jews and later realized the error in stopping Germany.

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What's wrong with thinking a wife should obey her husband?