I think we can all benefit for a discussion on theory is grate and we need it now more then ever but we cant forget that we need to act what is to be done, large scale and personal for each person here within the near future
I hope that soon we can have more threads on this topic, theory is good, arguments are grate, and talking about news is important, but there is alot of room here for practicality
here is a lovely video i think we can all learn from as well
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The first step is of course to find others, spread the ideas of socialism. As a few individuals we are only the beginning of a possibility
this is what iv been doing finding others is the hardest part but if we try to go alone we will all burn out
Try and find existing socialist groups and organizations in your local area, comrade
i would love to i live near la so there are some groups problem is the infrequency of there meetings and lack of agitation
As long as people are decently fed and can afford cheap distractions a revolution of any sort is highly unlikely.
What we need to understand first of all is that since the 80s the situations has radically changes in the West due the rise of neoliberalism. The 70s was the last golden age for the left, people were very militant in that decade (RAF, Brigate Rosse, autonomia & autonomen, black panthers, etc…). What we're dealing since then is a completely new ideology of individualism, entrepreneurship, consumerism and general apathy towards politics. This means we have to radically change our tactics.
Has anyone discovered any groups which have not been overrun by SJWs?
this thinking is counter productive many communist intellectuals who lead the movements were very well off and could have there distractions
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as long as people know idpol come second i think its okay from the people i know it seems like that opinion is becoming more popular, knowing alot of sjws
Where does Zizek say that?
I think getting people educated and getting organized are always positive. But like I said in the elections thread, I think that what we have to do on the national level is first and foremost limit the influence of capitalists and kick the neoliberals out of power.
on a speech about hegal and decart he didnt say its not as bad as you think i added that but he talks about the return to trying to imagine the impossible
i dont think its somthing we do first but we should do it at the same time
That's what I mean, but I think educating and organizing are things that mostly occur on the local level.
from a speach for 'communism a new beginning?'
i think im not sure, but hes probably said it else where
its funny i think to act locally to try to get people to think of things globally its like showing someone a map
but yes i agree
I think that's precisely backward. The 70s were when the well of legitimate non-economic issues that distracted the left from class struggle dried up, turning the PoMo IdPolers who had until then been useful shock troops into frenzied cannibalistic parasites.
Leftism is now like a diver taking shallow breaths from their snorkel, rebreathing the same air in spite of its decreasing oxygen content. We must purge the dead space in our movement so that we do not asphyxiate on our own stale exhalations, to end the alienation from the working class that form our base and once more resume the task of class war and economic reform.
In the background of this now-pointless, endless IdPol puff, nothing has changed since 1950, and fresh air to invigorate socialism is only a purge away.
I'd prefer a group where SJWs were either entirely absent or very much in the background, tbh. I don't want to end up in a group where solidarity with people screaming "killallmen" is demanded, again.
civil rights were always in the bast intertwined with class, the problem is they have been separated not that they are there, witch is why more then ever we need to be active from the people iv talked to lib idpolers are ready to be radicalized if we do the hard work
This. The longest journey starts with a single step, right?
its a radicalism with faulty aim i think we can help to give them a better target
haha yes i am not opportunist its going to be hard work for something that may never come or may come and fail but we need to do it right
more contrarianism, from the contrarianism mill
If you want to have a go, good luck to you. My experience is that I've been wasting my breath and we'd be better off waiting for them to work this stuff out for themselves.
Nothing.
Read Zizek.
haha i think his job more them being any one to trun to for answers is to be disruptive i think its good to get shaken up
that pic is bait and inaction can be powerful but honestly i dont think when talking about practicality and action anyone should turn to zizek
i dont think we should be liberal in that way we need to agitate and inform them, and its often not as bad as youd think
zizek is wonderful for many things
answers are not one
but like he says its good to think about what are the right questions and the wrong ones
I don't see how that contradicts what I wrote, even less how it's backward when we agree on the general trajectory. Both are right at the same time and it's pretty clear that precisely the move to neoliberal ideology is what enabled idpol to triumph (e.g. some minority wants same chances when competing on the market).
>but how do we know gravity really exists? I claim that, if we were to make knowns unknown, we would be able to fly free, as it were sniff
Yes, prole, do nothing! Sit there and theorize for all eternity!
zizek a man with so much theory its crippling
his fucking point is to be crippling. he's a right-wing plant.
its good to have people to disrupt helps you get stronger its not like he has any actually power hes also grate for thinking about theory
also the way he talks about lacan and hegal are grate actually the most productive thing he does
I can't even laugh ironically at this. It just hurts.
So try and buck some order into them, organize things and take a lead, get them involved. Be the catalyst for action if that is what is required.
While it's true they were intertwined (how couldn't practically anything be intertwined with something as pervasive as a class-based economy?), they are not inherently mutually inclusive, and (though in reality it has pretty much always helped) material reforms like socialism don't necessarily fix them.
It would be entirely possible in theory to have a socialist utopia for whites, or men, or Protestant Christians, while simultaneously having other groups excluded from this and treated as subhuman. Issues like sex, race, religion, war, foreign aid, pollution, and artistic freedom had to be addressed at least somewhat separately.
Because the phenomena you mentioned as emblematic of a "golden age" for the left, mostly nihilistic Maoshits and pomos, were the first nucleations of the cancerous rot eating away at leftism today.
Edutation of the masses ofcourse
What country you from, fam?
i think idpol is an important part to be in the background we dont wana end up with nazbol
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Nazbols are idpol.
they are the flip side of that sjw coin