When did you realize Holla Forums made the shift from Liberalism to Authoritarianism?

When did you realize Holla Forums made the shift from Liberalism to Authoritarianism?

Oh fuck off. Obviously when Jim bought the site. What a pointless thread.

Swindled it away from HW, you mean.

Point. Either way, this is common knowledge.

When Holla Forums became the vocal majority, I guess.
Pretty ironic that a site set about freedom and equality is densely populated by faggots that would rather have the government telling them what to do.

Still, plenty of cool people around that aren't that stupid and whom you can talk about neat stuff. Nazis just do for the site what the pedos used to do for Holla Forums, which is quite ironic.

I only do it ironically. Holla Forums is pretty gay tbh

Wtf I hate Holla Forums now!

dude weed lmao

ITT reddit

You are doing it wrong, you're supposed to spam "gas the jews" so we can discuss traps without normalfaggots around.
There will never be a bigger bunch of tools like Holla Forums

Sorry, I dont want pedos and other faggots spamming the board

Stay mad

No, we want a government which WE tell what to do, and which tells leftist faggots what to do.

Libertarians are fucking retarded.

You are obviously not one of them though, you illiterate cunt. Is there no chan in your native country where you can communicate in your own language?

That's not libertarian, so you are retarded.

People don't control governments, governments control people. If you have it the other way, it's not a government anymore.
You are also assuming the government will always align with your values and ideas instead of just putting it's own needs ahead of you.
In other words, much like the liberal faggots, your ideal government only works in an optimistic fantasy in your head. In the real world, the second a war is declared you are forcibly drafted and sent to die abroad for the sake of your government, who only persecutes gays because it needs more babys to enlist in a few years.


You should be shot, you're a fucking dead weight to your own country. You remind me of medieval peasants that required the church to tell them right from wrong or they'd be fucking savages.


feelings mutual

When I first tried 4chan years ago as a wee lad I took to Holla Forums pretty easy. My edgelord tendencies let me absorb most of the gore and trap shit. After a few months of lurking, once my mind was callused, I shitposted for the first time. Once I absorbed the lingo I ventured to Holla Forums and /tg/.

When I went to Holla Forums at that time I was like "oh god these guys are unironically nazi! Get me out of here!" That was before the whole alt-right thing. Finally warmed up to Holla Forums once Holla Forums came out and the whole crusade against PC happened. One red pill and an election year later I checked it daily to see "the truth" about what was on the news. Now I realize about 70%of it is gay edgelord larping and maybe peek over there once a week. Holla Forums is more fun.

tl'dr: I took the red pill but threw it up because indigestion

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Every fucking authoritarian, left and right, is 100% fucking CONVINCED that the government will listen to HIM, and shoot all the OTHER dwebs' brains out on street corners.

Doesn't work that way IRL fam, just doesn't. It's all fun and shit, and then one day they come for you.

edgy

D00d remember George Bush? Jon Stewart owned his bitch ass. Obama is my nigga. Weed.

So you think you are an illiterate cunt as well?
(Feelings is plural btw, so I guess you are.)

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12th April 2017, at 12:43 Central time, to be precise.

when they started sucking Drumpf's dick 24/7

Some more contributing factors.
< death of gamergate
We lost a bunch of people who only came here for gamergate
< 2016 presidential election
increased Holla Forums's userbase.
< Holla Forums
Holla Forums became no longer any fringe idea, but only right wing authoritarians.

Whenever I come into a thread and see a post with a bunch of replies I don't even read it and hand out a pity (you) because it's most likely retarded drivel and any serious reply will only be met with more retarded drivel.

This. When reddit invaded a couple years ago. A bunch of Christfags migrated here.

Welcome to 8 chan

YEET

What does thatmean?

8ch has been an authoritarian neo nazi circle jerk since day one for me.
I arrived in march 2016.
4 chan looked like the KKK and it was annoying there where a few libertarians that flirted with these racists and even some oddballs lefties.
Then I got into this fucking place oh boy everywhere from neonazi horsefuckers nazis everywhere even some nazi pedos wew the site started to crumble in April and May 2016 shit looked like it was going to sink.
I discovered Holla Forums and I realized how fucking dumb "An"capism and MGTOW where and I got back on track with my true anarchist tendencies.
Then I noticed how much of a fucking neo nazi masturbatory fest this site was.
Then the invasion of r the donald redditors came to Holla Forums holy fuck what a crazy ride this has been.
But it has infected me as well I am starting to look after Leninism and Stalinism because of this and my anarchist tendencies now seem a little too optimistic and utopian.

false premise

And communism doesn't? Read up on that as well so you know as much as possible about it, but please remenber that no political system that ignores the human factor will ever work and political systems should be chosen on a worst-case scenario, not just on how good they are when they work.

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This place becomes more and more like reddit every day.

When did you realize that your colon had been devastated beyond repair?

I thought that was what Sage was for?


Have fun being a collectivist

All kinds of socialism take in account the human factor it isn't designed for aliens or machines.
Just look at the USSR Anarchist Ukraine Catalonia etc during war times.

It was the only reasonable answer I never became fully convinced by "An"capism and went back to were I used to be an anarchy individualist with slight socialist tendencies.
But Marxist Leninism seems more appropriate to fight back against neonazis and fascism.

there's your problem.
8ch did that shift from september 14 to march 15

Liberal Socialism does, the rest I'm not so sure.

Keep studying history some more and I'm not saying this in a derogatory tone, I was ignorant to this as well some time ago:
The Weimar republic and pretty much the entire political climate in germany before the Nazi's rose to power was mostly Leninists and Marxists. Nazis themselves only got the success they had because they were a counter-reaction to the communists.

So I think you can see the irony in thinking that "Marxist Leninism seems more apropriate to fight BACK against neonazis and fascism".
If you want a better point to start, read up on "hegelian dialectics". Every though and every current will always meet oposition and it's the clash between both that allows us to either pick the best one or arrive at a third better one, depending on how you look at dialetics.

In political terms, every time an extremist group arises, it summons an oposing group that will fight back against it. It does not matter if you pick left or right, you'll always cause a surge on the other side and the more extreme you are, the more extreme they will be as a result. Keep that in mind every time someone advocates in favour of some sensible but extreme point of view.

The "third option", also known as "fence-shitters" by everyone that can't stand neither having your allegiance nor a valid "casus belli" against you, is the idea of recognizing the merits and flaws in every idea and try to balance\compromise some middle term that's favourable to everyone.
An interesting example of this is nuclear armament that is neither used nor destroyed so we can reach a compromise where we keep it "just in case".

You are confusing "Social" democrats with real socialists right there.
Socdems killed rosa luxemburg
So let me digest this.
Your argument sums up like this.
Thesis: Nazis
Anti thesis:Marxists
Synthesis:Nazbol or Strasserism or some turd position…
Nope man that's where you are wrong because Socialism is meant to be internationalist if we don't have a global revolution against capitalism we will fail again.

Not really, I'm talking about Social Liberalists as a viable alternative and about National Socialists as the opposition to communism.

Thesis: Marxists
Anti Thesis: National Socialists
Synthesis: Nazi Germany.
This is what actually happened, it's history, the past. Nazis only ever got a foothold on Germany because of how fucked up the whole country was due to the communists, their self hatred for their own country, the corruption and degeneracy (I fucking hate this word), all perpetuated by a very violent political class composed entirely by Marxists that though communism was the way to recover after the first world war.
Where it not for the communists and their extremism, Nazis would never have rose to power.

Which is fun and ironic, considering the circumstances that elected Trump and considering how extreme his fanbase is trying to sound, especially here on this site. I honestly can't wait to see what kind of communists will show up in the future.

International Socialism is downright cancer. Globalism fucks over every country it touches, it literally only benefits those that can move around the world easily and set up businesses where they want. Internationalism is just a method to get the cheapest materials and workforce to produce the crap you want to sell on the countries that can pay you the most.
How can you possibly defend the working class as a communist while defending internationalism, the very thing that screws the entire working class?

And it doesn't fail for that reason, it fails because you can't convince anyone to join that ideology. And contrary to popular belief, you can't force people to adopt a belief, only force them to act accordingly at great expense to you.
To win the "revolution", Socialism must first win the hearts of men, something it has consistently failed so far. Against Capitalism, that's how bad it is.

Democracy is the tried and true system of civilization. It's the fairest and most efficient.

Correct, but maybe not for the reasons you imagine.

No. Not by a long shot.
It gives a voice to everyone equally by this also means giving the same power of choice to people that don't even understand what they are voting for or who benefit in unfair ways for their vote.
Case in point: Muslims voting for Macron in France so they don't get deported by LePen.
It's only fair when every single candidate makes fair promises and actually tries to fulfill them, as well as when every political party tries to reach mutual agreements and get something done, because otherwise it's never fair.

This brings us to the second point: it's not efficient at all by design. A king or a dictator commands and within days it's being done. A prime-minister commands puts up for vote and a few months later there's a committee that will study it's implementation.
You also lose a lot of effort to elections, when someone with a completely different political ideology is placed into power and undo what the previous guy did.
And keep in mind, this is by design, to prevent a single political party from getting too much power or doing too much at once, giving everyone else time to stop them.

I still compare the flaws of Democracy to an operating theater where everyone including the janitor has the right to use the scalpel for the same amount of time. The operation takes longer, often fails or doesn't go anywhere and all because the janitor wanted a turn as well.

Democracy isn't the best system out of it's qualities, it's the best because it takes into account how humans would try to fuck with it far better than any other system. Democracy is a worst-case scenario design to prevent fuck ups from royally fucking up a country and that's why it's better: because everything else sucks.

How did he swindled it away from him?

You literally made a thesis to prove my point. Democracy is the most efficient, because everything else is idealized shit that only works when everyone is on the same page.

Is this what newfags really believe?
Holla Forums was never about freedom of speech.
It was about contrarianism.
Think about it.
Anyone who was here during 2015 and browsed Holla Forums knew how good it was because a bunch of experimental film lovers came in at the sites popularity high point.
With that all the intellectuals that were alienated by modern culture could come in and have a place to talk to each other.
It was wonderful.
This place was made up out of contrarians and fought over by contrarians (int*)
The reason Holla Forums ever even became as big as it did was because of Gamergate sending everyone here, because contrarianism was bad in 4chan. Everyone left.
Freedom of speech is nothing without opposing views.
You want to know why Holla Forums went to shit?
Normalfags will inherently have the same opinions, and work like a hive mind.
So when the influx of them came in during 2016, they overwhelmed the remaining oldfags and subverted the old culture.
Essentially, being a hipster was the point of Holla Forums, not freespeech.
Freespeech means fuck all if the opinions are just repeated over and over again.
Now there are people here who will actually defend the mods.
Who will actually defend Reddit tier games and film.
Cynicism is needed because it's the realization that to make everything good you must first point out why it's bad.
And yet now there are faggots here who act as if everything's fine.
So to answer your question…
You should be asking "When did Holla Forums go to shit?" not the original question.

I'll still argue that it's not efficient at all, other systems can be way more efficient, just too efficient at short term to actually be efficient on the long term, so you got that right.

You're full of shit. Contrarian is about opposing something for the sake of opposing it, the little children rebellion if you will.
But "a bunch of experimental film lovers" came to Holla Forums to talk about the films they liked, not to shit talk the films they hated.
Gamergate wasn't just about shittalking everyone that oposed them, it was about making the industry a better place.
And a lot of people, especially in the beginning, didn't joined Holla Forums just to oppose 4chan, they joined because they wanted a better place with actual freedom of speech and away from the constant spam of faster boards.

What "made Holla Forums shit" is actually what you think made it good, when a bunch of faggots joined up because they though it was fun to be contrarian, because they just want to oppose something and fight the "good fight", not actually contribute and make this place better, just make everything else worse.
That's the crux of what Holla Forums mentality is and even Holla Forums to some extent as well as several posters on Holla Forums that just shittalk things and barely talk about the stuff they like.

Kindly fuck off and go be a hipster somewhere else, YOU are the reason Holla Forums went to shit.

ITT: newfags.

I bet you fucks don't even know how to >>>/premium/

/meadhall/ and Holla Forums were top boards long before the exodus.

June 16, 2015

See this is how I know you are all newfags. Remember the NFP/USNFP/UP drama that consumed 3 boards for about a month in 2014?

exactly

Jesus fucking christ what are revenue sources and keys to power, why have 3000 years of western political philosophy, when you can just point out that individuals can make decisions more quickly because groups have to agree on stuff!?