What the fuck is wrong with these people?

They are the product of A L I E N A T I O N

She is the victim of the nation state and Capitalism.

DE DOOK R SKORARZIPZ!

The sad part is that they effectively admit that an illegal alien is more useful to their own society than they are.

I bet they cited Hispanic IQ statistics to try to ideologically correct reality.

The cogdis. Someone free them.

She's gleefully bragging about breaking the law. Even if you don't agree with the law, you have to see that she painted the target on her own back.

Like the US government can afford to kick out a skilled worker.

Her parents brought her here. She's not the one who broke the law. The point of her post isn't to brag about her parent's getting away with a crime, it's to dispel Trump supporter stereotypes about undocumented immigrants.

Do you expect a kid to turn themselves in for their parents' crime? Is she just supposed to destroy the life that her family established here?

I guess she'd be a real American hero then.

Well maybe, but it's pretty unwise to do such a thing as revealing yourself as illegal. Perhaps it could be though of as a sacrifice?

While it's probably not her intention, I would say that her getting deported - I doubt that'd happen - would actually end up potentially raising awareness (yeah, not that "raising awareness" is anything more than weak ass liberal bullshit, but whatever) about how fucking arbitrary and stupid our laws are on immigration and whatnot.

Liberals wouldn't let her get deported. Some tech billionaire would probably get her a visa or something to work for their company.

She needs to go back.

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Learn to read broskis. I'm not blaming her for being brought to America illegally. I'm saying she shouldn't publicly brag about her illegal status.

Am not an anarchist, but still..

Being an undocumented migrant is literally illegal. Learn the difference between what is the case and what you would like to be the case.

Actually, I don't think it's that stupid. If she got deported she would just become a martyr for the pro-immigration cause, and liberals would probably rally around her.

Again, though, she's not just bragging about being breaking the law. She's saying "look what illegals are able to accomplish."

The only thing that gets me is the cheap ass pride of Mexico some of these people have. Trust me, most of these kids don't know Mexico. I know Mexico and I know its shit but for multiple reasons (it really doesn't benefit MX at all being so close to a superpower like the US which screws countries over). She should come here if she happens to be so proud and the same goes for all the Trump protesters waving their gay ass Mexican flags. They're in the US for a fucking reason. Don't get me wrong, I know the US and I think its shit but all who boast about some cheap national pride ought to be lynched for being such useless tools.

immigration laws are the biggest spooks of all time

Yes, it is LITERALLY illegal, just like drugs and jaywalking. You can make all the laws you want, but you're not going to stop people from exercising fundamental human rights that don't hurt anyone.

More like what criminals are able to accomplish.

Bitch has to go back.

Oh we can, just need to form a deportation squad, and install machine gun on the border, just like what the mexican do on their.

I hope she inspires more illegals to succeed.

that is like going to facebook and boasting about the cocaine lines you're snorting right now with your crackhead friends, then you go ahead and post 17 pictures about it with clear identifying details that can be traced back to your current physical location.

holy shit i hope they deport her back to mexico and cut her head off for being such a stupid bitch.

I wish the natives did the same, when your ancestors left us back in europa to go to "a better world".
They should stay in their own countries!

people actually do make posts of themselves smoking weed, though.

some laws just aren't taken that seriously.

I find it hysterical that in one sentence you're calling immigration law a spook and in the next appealing to "fundamental human rights".

Protip: It's not a fundamental human right for Mexicans to live outside of Mexico.

I also think that someone bragging about jaywalking or smoking wacky backy would be idiotic.

If we didn't give natives gift, technology and actual medicine yeah.

We were colonials, not immigrants.

Learn the difference between what is the case and what you like about it being the case.

And I would happily report each case of that if I've ever seen one.

pothead is babys first drug, its like saying IM SUCH A GAMER because you play angry birds.

on top of that, cocaine is illegal everywhere, while weed is legal or lightly punished in many places, hence why i didnt use it in my example.

It was just an overblown expression. The point is that national pride a shitty illusion. For burgerlandians and beaners. Same shit.

As has been touched upon elsewhere in the thread, I don't have to agree with a law to find it obnoxious when people publicly brag about breaking it. It's like when fuckwits post pictures of themselves smoking marijuana with a "fuck the police" caption or whatever, at that point they're just asking to be targeted.

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borders are spooks, bucko

Aren't you a good boy? I'm sure Trump would be proud of his little patriot!

Again, pretty funny that the same teenagers who throw around the "spooked" meme at anything they don't agree with are so quick to appeal to muh human rights.

Yes, it is, and not just for Mexicans. Or for people who want to live in Mexico, for that matter.

Stupid laws exist to be broken.

"Rights" are fucking spooks.
Seriously though. They're a joke. They just mean the government won't get in the way.

Holy shit the cognitive dissonance is extreme. You worship a law just because it is law and you defend it even if it causes massive suffering.

And for what? Because you don't want to be associated with pot smokers?

It's a person's right to ignore spooks

but rights are spooks!

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you're just obsessing over diction. the point is that a person is not bound to spooks such as immigration laws.

stirner believed in one right- the right to ignore spooks.

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You lost this argument before you started posting. Gb2 >>>Holla Forums.

It's not at all difficult to see why people would take the tweet as a sneering defiance rather than "not all aliens are bad". If you actually care about winning the argument, and not just pissing off people, you shouldn't try to antagonise people.

That's my point. The tweet comes across as obnoxious bragging and I can understand why Trumpets are irritated by it.

As for the issue of borders, let's be clear: every socialist state has defended its borders and denied a universal right to residence. Not even Holla Forums fan-favourite Zizek is for totally open borders.

i thought you didnt want immigrants here because they caused americans to suffer. do you really just not want them because you're blindly obedient to arbitrary laws?

Fuck off with this nonsense. Borders, laws, illegals, it's all just application of force. I can literally draw a circle in the sand and call it my country and punch everyone who tries to pass me, until a stronger dude comes along.

If someone manages to get into a country illegally it's simply a result of borders not being enforced hard enough.

If you want to get rid of "borders", round up an army and tear them down by force, just stop appealing to "muh human rights".

Open border are not a good idea in today's global capitalist society. It would really hurt workers and not fix anything but temporarily allow people to suffer less than they would have if they had remained in their countries.
In a socialist society, however, there wouldn't and shouldn't be arbitrary borders. I'm not for open borders in today's world

Actually it's because immigration is a huge exploitable business for capitalists. They like they're underpaid exploited workers who have no safety to protect them.

Well obviously I care whether I or my fellow man suffers, egotism and all. I couldn't give less of a shit if someone I don't identify with suffers. It's like the old cute animals vs. ugly animals.

Depends on how much military force is used to guard it.
Trying to build a wall while people are constantly attacking your shit sounds pretty hard. Once it's built it's a lot harder to tear down of course.

stop appealing to "muh laws"

people are free to ignore spooks

I agree, but the solution is to make an easier path to citizenship rather than just building a wall.

And you have officially devolved to saying nothing at all. In case you haven't noticed, we live in a democratic society and there is disagreement over how people are to be treated.

I did no such thing you fucking retard. Not my problem you're so asshurt you can't even read.
Of course they are free to ignore them. People are also free to fucking shoot them in the face for it you turbo autist. You sound like a fucking ayncrap.

If you want to people to be treated in a certain way, go ascend to leadership of the state. Whether by democratic means or violent revolution doesn't fucking matter. You can make your all-loving utopia IF YOU HAVE THE FUCKING FORCE TO DO SO THIS IS NOT A HARD CONCEPT.

Like what? I don't mind a wall as long as the US stops interfering with Mexico which isn't going to happen. So whatever. All of these proposals are fake solutions.

We don't live in a democracy you fool.

What's wrong with alienation?

kill yourself

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You're not arguing anything, you fucking retard. You tried to defend the law in principle, got BTFO'd, and are now trying to salvage self-consistent position from the mess you spewed. Yeah no shit you need power to accomplish things. Why do you think we advocate revolution?

Good prole! I have trained you well!

Yes, it is, and not just for Mexicans. Or for people who want to live in Mexico, for that matter.

Stupid laws exist to be broken.

If morality is absolute, we shouldn't be tolerating your opinions, you fucking retard

kind of paradoxical

None of you guys are saying anything at this point. Not even me.

Not the ones who have managed to escape war and destruction and reached the first world

That is a good thing in and of itself

Who? Everyone else here agrees with me.

You can desire things, I can desire things. All I'm saying is that you don't get to turn "lol dis thing i like :D" into a human """"right"""" while calling everything else a spook.

I never said people can't ignore immigration laws. I clearly said that if someone gets throught he borders it is simply because the border control wasn't strong enough, ie lack of force. The person then 'deserves' to live in the new country just as much as other people 'deserve' to violently deport her. Either way I don't hate the person for what they did.

Alright sure. Empty the populations of other countries for those workers to be exploited in a first world country, then as the wages lower due to the labor market flooding and things turn to shit for the native workers, scapegoats will need to be created and it'll be the immigrants instead of the capitalists bla bla bla…
We need to abolish capitalism.

you're defending the right of the state, the ultimate spook, to deport people on the grounds that the notion that people are free to ignore spooks is itself a spook. it's a very paradoxical argument.

I wasn't the human rights guy, tard. Even so, rights are granted to people by society to make it livable and not devolve in to chaos. Do you advocate removal of rights? If not, it's irrelevant to your argument and you were just spewing rhetoric.

I find it funny more than anything, young people can be quite stupid at times.

stirner argued that people had the """right""" to ignore spooks.

golly

What is the difference between national borders and the entrance to my house? Why do I have the right to evict people from my house but the population doesn't have the right to evict people from their nation?

Why do you allow anyone at all to live in your country? Wouldn't you rather deport them all and own the whole thing?

That's a pretty lame analogy bruh. It was weak.

If the state exists then borders are legitimate because the nation is the personal property of the population. The point is, the state shouldn't exist.

What about all the private property in said nation? That only belongs to a guy through a piece of paper. What you say isn't really true.

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Illegals like her steal from the white American working class. This thread is more proof that Holla Forums is not pro worker as it claims to be but merely deeply triggering and problematic.

Yeah private property. You said a nation is the personal property of a nation but that isn't true.

Hi reddit.

Never been on reddit. Your analogy was shit.

YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

You don't just get to choose to be a citizen you idiot. You have to be a permanent resident first and live 3-5 years if you become a resident through marriage. Illegals don't have access to this. It isn't that easy. I'm neutral on this but don't be stupid.

you have to go back >>>r/thedonald

No. It's 5 years if you have a green card. Three years if you're married. But regardless, illegals shouldn't have access to anything anyway because they are illegal.

You're definitely not getting citizenship, Pablo.

Wrong. You can get a green card immediately by marrying a citizen. If you remain married to that citizen and live with them it'll take 3 years. If you separate or divorce, it'll take 5 years. Illegals DON'T have access to citizenship you little shit. Residents do.

That's great, maybe she should use her intelligence to help her own people/country instead of hopping the border for an easy life.

Funny joke :^)

Extra salty tonight, aren't you Juan.

I'm fine with drinking and yet people can be obnoxious in their bragging about drinking.

Not Hispanic you filthy fucking pansy.
You can look up the info at USCIS

You seem upset, Carlos.

Oh, yes human. Apologies.

No, you're not a cuck, you're gay. Gay for wanting to deport fine ass bitches from your country. And America sure has a shortage :( which makes it even gayer.

Hi,
"reactionary" passing through here…
Are you guys aware the humans are evolved organisms?
Are you guys aware that cultural memes are also naturally selected? Memes that do not reproduce or aggress against other memes do not survive. The only memes we have are mean memes.

How are you surprised by this? The order these people grew up with has been subverted by opportunists, and his culture is being encroached upon by another kind of opportunist. What part of this is hard to understand?

Good. Fingers cross she gets deported and never comes back.

They can, of course. The government would kick out every skilled worker and replace them with a foreigner or an illegal if they could. But she's probably got some bullshit degree in Latin American Critical Race Theory or something. No offense to all the faggots here who have that same degree.

We need a wall to keep intelligent people out. They are scary.

that dumb bitch will get what she asked for.

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Disparaging people for being homosexual is bad except when lefty does it. Cool, gotcha.

For all this talk about alienation being evil, leftypol likes to alienate here and there.

We definitely need a wall to keep out the coastal educated elite.

I don't get it
are they autistic enough to really think getting mad at this is effective propaganda?
they couldn't just fucking find some horrible crime that was committed by an illegal or something?

meh. not saying she should be deported back home, but if shes retarded enough to do that, fine by me.

She wants the white D, which is a scare commodity in her country.

It belongs to them because they live on it and beat intruders with sticks. Today, that stick is an anonymous tips website.
There can be no in-group without an out-group. Mexicans are out-group.

calm down tumblr

Which, by the way, is Mexico.

But that's not how it really is. You can't go anywhere you want in your own country.

Yes. Metaphors break down when you try them in real life. The point is that Citizens are supposed to have first crack at the good shit. The soldiers murder for them, the courts mediate their disputes, the roads are for them to travel. The infrastructure cannot sustain the whole world, so a portion of the world must be kept out.
You say that the newcomers can join in the system, the infrastructure and grow it to sustain all. But why should the group grow without the consent of it's members?
Who wants to be an old, broken tradesman surrounded by rowdy, foreign lumpenproles during the transition?

I think you leftys haven't been forced to choose, or realized that you were making a choice.
You are not furthering anarchism or socialism by gifting Islam a portion Europe, or by giving Catholicism a larger purchase of the American southwest.

They will not be your converts. You are setting the stage for a prison riot. In a prison riot, everyone dresses the same; the only uniform is the color of your skin. This is why the Fascists are creeping back into the world.

Yes. What is your problem with this state of affairs, exactly?

No problem. I'm explaining why Trumpkins haze outsiders like the Mexican in the OP.

BTW: about the Mexican flag thing.
You will find only a few people who find Chicano culture abhorrent, but Mexico is a fucking failed state. That flag inspires fear in the people you call "racist" because it represents corruption, mismanagement and eternal civil war, the same way the USSR flag makes us think of gulags and the Stars and Bars make us think of slavery.
The Mexican government is Shit. SHIT!

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Regarding pic related. The police officers would have been 100% justified unleashing waves of hollow point ammunition into those rioters. Kudos to them on their restraint.

Also, you people have this weird forwards-from-grandma thing going on where you post shitty facebook-tier memes instead of talking about politics or whatever.

You sound like an authoritarian. This rankles.

If not you, then who? Is is the Capitalists trying to drive down the price of labor? Are you rooting for the migrants or not? Who am I addressing here?
I get the impression that some of you are actually from Holla Forums.

this tbh
most people who wave it don't like the Mexican Government they usually do it to celebrate their heritage and a lot of the times the ideals and dreams of the mexican revolution with people like villa and zapata.
Most muricans don't know this

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Liberals

Among other reasons, yes.

I'm not "rooting for" them but I don't hate them, either.

A socialist.

using Nietzsche on a socialist board–kek

'Pity stands in opposition to all the tonic passions that augment the energy of the feeling of aliveness: it is a depressant. A man loses power when he pities. '

The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.

'What is more harmful than any vice?—Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak'

'Smart Mexicans flee from their own kind to ebil white capitalism.' is the headline here.

Actually all Mexicans feel their own people to live amongst whites.

ACTUALLY ALL RACES FLEE THEIR OWN KIND TO LIVE WITH WHITES.

Never change Holla Forums

I want to live in your mums bedroom

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stay mad

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Well if you leftist faggots had stopped shoving diversity down everyone's throat this wouldn't have happened. Absolutely serious, yous have earned it.

You think so?

Why do you think she and so many other choose to border hop north instead of south? Could it be that it is easier to make it in the US? So by your assessment, everyone that wants the easy life in the US is entitled to it. But once half of africa moves there, the muh privilege that guaranteed the better life is gone for everyone. This is retarded.

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the 'right' brought in NAFTA. Mexico benefited much more from NAFTA than the US did. That the right is so keen to sell out the average citizen tells you all you need to know about Trump's popularity. The people are rightly sick of the mainstream political establishment, both sides.

You also ignored (as you always do) the main point of my post, people's rational opposition to immigration. One day I dream a left/pol/ honestly and without trying to be condescending, answered this question.

90% of anti-immigrant speech is just plain old racism

Cause you claim so right? You've still not addressed the legitimate concerns. So either you don't accept they exist or are happy to endure them as the ends justify the means.

Surely ((the Right)), right?

*((()))

Way to dodge the point again. My point was the working class have been sold out by the 'right' and the left don't give two fucks about them. Hence Trump.

The rioters would have been 100% justified in throwing molotov after molotov onto the police until every one of them was burned to ash. Kudos to them on their restraint.

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Yes cause the Brits and Americans didn't protest en masse against Iraq.

Illegals DO pay taxes, you fucking retard!

Sales taxes and social security. The majority of taxes are paid by the working class because your dumbass believes giving more money to the rich will solve everything instead of realizing they put it in tax havens.

This is the shit you believe…

So what do you say about Haiti, Honduras, Puerto Rico, Chile, Brazil, Venezuela, Syria, Libya, Mexico, Yugoslavia, and all the other places that America has destroyed for US corporate interests?

I say the working classes in the US, while perhaps having benefited from this, didn't set out to do so. You lot saying they deserve it for colonialism/imperialism sounds a lot like an endorsement for collective punishment.

The fuck are you talking about?

You think the working class in America wants this or the corporate rulers right now?

Don't blame that on people that have been protesting since the beginning to alleviate the warhawks you fail to acknowledge until it's too late.

Cause I obviously supported the wars right? I was active in stopping them doing it to Syria and was opposed to the Iraq war back in the day too, if too young to attend the protest but I DO remember them well.

I don;t even get what you're getting at. The working class were never consulted on the wars but you people seem to think they should just suck up the consequences. This is collective punishment.

You obviously don't know what in the hell you're talking about when your initial premise is that "because people protested the Iraq invasion, that means we support creating refugees"

I haven't said they suck up the consequences, just that the imperialists are in control and doing this against workers to divide and conquer.

We need movements against those groups and the only way is solidarity, not division. Protesting the government while the movements are getting larger shows what's at stake to end them. It's not going to be done overnight.

You can sound off all day about divide and conquer. My point has been there are legitimate concerns about immigration that you leftists are willing to overlook, even accept as a means to an end. This is why you're losing the argument among a certain segment of the population. A segment that once upon a time should have been your bread and butter.

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My segment is the entire working class. But you trying to obfuscate your ignorance only tells me your arguments come out of not knowing how you got screwed on the issue. But trying to make this about "well I protested in Iraq and it didn't work" isn't a very convincing argument and does nothing to prove the point made about the creation of refugees.

If she's so useful and intelligent, why couldn't she immigrate legally? Surely she can read a form?

Also, do you think she's representative of your average illegal immigrant? That immigrants can only be a gain to society? Smacks of ideology to me…

So we agree that the government, not the people are to blame for the refugees right? Why should the people pay the price?

What does any of your argument have to do with how the government and, by extension, the ruling elites, have to do with the creation of the crisis the working people are dealing with?

I've never said the elite didn't fuck their shit up. I don't accept however the working class natives should suffer the consequences.

But the government is an extension of it's people, right? I mean you voted them into office.

Otherwise, there's something horribly wrong with your system.

Oh wait…

This is my system lad.

theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/06/pro-eu-mps-could-mount-guerrilla-campaign-to-reverse-brexit-decision

I know this is fucked. I still don't see any reason to make things worse for the working class than they already are after 30 years of Thatcherism.

If you smoke weed in a state where it's illegal and brag about it on social media where people can identify you, you're retarded. Same with anything that is against the law.

Yeah kill whitey!

Destroying corporate imperialism means hunting down the last white man.

How do Holla Forumsacks who post and screencap this stuff. think this is good bait or remotely believable?

I mean you forgot Yugoslavia is white first of all, that and kill all whitey types don't care about rampant corporatism, to them white people are some ethereal Jew caricature (funny how all idpol is alike), they think white people like to fuck over coloured people for fun (they believe they are being humiliated and insulted, economic exploitation is a by product if they consider it) and not because the plutocrats can realise their greed through the capitalist system.

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Why shouldnt the state exist?
(because you hate your ethnicity.)

If we're just making assertions then: "A working class of multi-culti multi-ethic diversity shouldnt exist"

Yes, because America is responsible for all Mexicans. Mexicans are retarded babies, incapable of building a civilization, and we must give them 5 trillion in aid every day.

fucking idiot.

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You cannot have a multicultural working class as multiculturalism prevents solidarity by being about idpol and group rights.

where do you think you are?