Why Hitler Lost the War: German Strategic Mistakes in WWII

Americans were already in an undeclared war against Germany long before Pearl Harbor.

The pre-land lease support for Soviet Union was a clear sign of hostilities to come. When Germans took control of the embassies in Poland, they found out that the US government was goading Poland not to compromise on the territorial disputes.
American navy was also attacking German ships, and only Hitler's orders of not returning fire kept Americans out of the war as long as they did. He had calculated in -39 that Americans would enter the war by the -42, and he was right.

Hitler would have defeated the Soviet Union in a single offensive without the American echo economic and material aid.
For those "shouldn't have invaded Russia"; that offensive was necessary, as Stalin was biding his time to conquer all Europe. With the tank supremacy Soviets had, Germany in defensive stance would've been unable to confront that.

yeah they sure showed how white and civilized they were when they raped and killed everyone

Roosevelt already wanted the war. It was only a matter of selling it to the senate and public. Pearl Harbor was suspiciously covninient for him but even without he would have found a way to get the US into joining eventually.

slide thread or shill thread doesnt matter.

good opportunity to analyze mistakes
ONE OF THEM IS (((CHRISTIANITY)))

No, Hitler would stand more of a chance if he didn't attack the SU, and just let the SU attack his.

They wouldn't even make it past Finland.

So I guess the Conquistadors weren't white? Or the French? Or British? Or Portugese? Or Dutch? Raping and killing by a conquering force is as white as it gets.

That's because of Finnish geography and exceptional perseverance.

Soviets came clean through the Baltics and Poland. The Blitzkrieg was the only advantage the German army had. Their defensive doctrine was shite, as exhibited in the retreat. And during that retreat, there was room to withdraw. Unlike in the case of Soviet mass offensive across Vistula.

Soviets did not come clean through the Poland, Poland was actually the shield against Soviet back in the 1920s.

This would have been stronger if they were bolstered by german guns.

Well, can't help this.

If you cannot attack, but cannot defend, you are a shit strategist.

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Japan went through 3 cabinets trying to make peace with the Americans. Again and again they said that they were willing to remove troops from China in exchange for lifting the embargo. Japan was hoping that aligning herself with Germany would cause the US to back off a bit, but the US was alarmed by the Tripartite Pact and demanded that the Japanese pull back their troops "at once" - which is obviously impossible. Negotiations failed because Secretary of State Cordell Hull was a slow negotiator and appeared to be deliberately delaying everything, but the final nail in the coffin came from a Jew named Harry White when he issued an ultimatum (behind his colleagues' backs) to Japan that included a demand stating that they should withdraw from "all of China," which meant Manchuria as well - and therefore the economic downfall of the Empire of Japan. Harry White was found out later to be a Soviet spy. Roosevelt didn't care overmuch about Japan unless they were proposing concessions and spoke loudly about a "quarantine policy" regarding Japan.

Eventually the Japanese realized that there was no hope for diplomacy regarding the Americans because it was obvious from their viewpoint that the US wanted nothing but to harm them, between the oil embargo, public denouncements, and prolonged negotiations. Imperial Headquarters predicted that Japan would have very little chance if they attacked beyond late '41/early '42. And so Pearl Harbor happened.

Interestingly enough, there was talk in Imperial Headquarters about attacking the Soviet Union before the embargo. They planned to invade the USSR, supporting Operation Barbarossa, if Hitler took Moscow before '42 began. They couldn't do much beyond this because their main problem was securing desperately needed oil - whether through restored relations with the US or conquest.

Regarding oil - the US was in a similar predicament in the 1970's. The Arab nations announced an embargo to the US and US-aligned nations because the Burgers were supplying Israel with weapons. Japan quickly announced that they believed that Israel should cede territory to Palestine, and so the embargo for them was lifted. America, however, quickly began to draw up plans to invade Saudi Arabia. For a nation that prides itself for protecting the world from warmongering empires, isn't it ironic?

History is tragic no matter where you go, seriously.

Well, before and after the embargo. Talks before it were quickly hushed when Zhukov humiliated the Kwantung Army at Khalkin Gol. After the embargo, there were suggestions of supporting Barbarossa as described in my above post.

Sorry for the mild incoherence; I'm quite sleepy.

They were already de facto at war with Germany.
Look up the occupation of Greenland, "Destroyers for Bases" and the Pan-American-Security-Zone

He's wrong. Germans lost because the material superiority of their enemy outmatched them over 5 to 1. Hitler actually made a lot of great decisions that carried them further than listening to his generals would have (as the historical canard goes).

The problem was not recognizing the (((enemy))) until it was too late. The enemy was not Nations, but a concerted ethnic group of (((individual people))) with alotta power within some white Nations. The problem Germany had wasn't Russia, nor Britain, America, etc. It was Jews.

When Germany as a Nation was finally forced into invading Poland, when Japan was finally forced into attacking America, then the war was lost, because it became a war of Nations. Prior to that, it was just political maneuvering and media manipulation by just Jews, not Nations.

The war started long before the bullets began to fly. When the Nations went to war, the Jews won.

Such as?

Had they not attacked, their war effort would have been crippled anyway. What the Japs didn't count on was that US authorities wanted them to attack and knew about it beforehand.

There is three reason why Germany lost.

1 is 1941 Moscow
2 is 1942 Stalingrad
3 is 1943 Kursk

Burgers war operation are inconsequential.
It's highly dubious Germany could have won VS the USSR even if they fought alone (as the USSR did fought alone until 1944, but by 1943 every German general knew perfectly they had lost).

Like burgers and jewish bankers weren't gonna jump on the occasion to riddle with debt everyone they could and wouldn't have supplied the USSR anyway… FFS US companies supplied Germany until 1943 despite being at war.
You would have needed to have a total isolationist policy from the US to have that… which is in no way something Germany could have done something about it.

Realistically Germany should have finished off Britain while the US weren't in the war. Made an actual ally out of France, instead of occupying it (by reverting the territorial changes the British made after the Napoleonic wars on the Rhine valley, and capitalize on the British running away before Dunkirk, the backstab sinking of the French fleet in Mers-el-Kébir, etc…).
Heavily prepare defense and counter-attack for when the soviet attack came, and try to negotiate with them a comprehensive split of Europe in the meanwhile, between the Slav Reich and the German Reich and a DMZ along the Bug river.

Keep in mind that Trotsky and the other jews Stalin purged were the ones going about spreading communism, Stalin himself often considered that the USSR was a big enough problem as it was, and made some pretty heavy concessions and gifts to the allies after the war (while he didn't have to) in that regard.
Sure he's the one that spread the most communism in the end… but that was far more the results of the war than his personal political views, Stalin was racing toward war with Germany for the same reason Hitler was racing toward war with the USSR. Both of them knew it was coming and the other was preparing for it, but would either actually wanted it is another subject entirely.
So it could have turned into a cold war instead. Especially since in that setup Germany would basically have unified Europe and removed the British (and therefore US) threat from the West, making it unlikely that even a prepared USSR would win without taking tremendous loses.

You need to have read Hitler's war if you are going to post in this thread.
fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/2001/HW_Web_dl.pdf.

1) Attempting an invasion of the Soviet Union during winter
2) Attempting an invasion of the Soviet Union through the Napoleonic "I AM A FUCKTARD PLEASE STARVE MY TROOPS" route
3) Failure to capitalize on the Finnish front

The USSR was lucky as fuck that aside from logistics aid from the US, they got outstanding general.

Generals that even defied Stalin and lived.

In my view it is almost inevitable that Hitler would have lost the war, but this guy is wrong. Hitler didn't micromanage his generals, Hitler was the supreme commander. Stalin's generals would commit suicides after slight losses because they were that scared of Stalin which caused a lot of inaction.

Furthermore the USSR was mobilized and ready to invade germany, which was evident when the germans found how prepared the soviets were for total war. The invasion of the USSR was not delayed by italy or the balkans, the rain seasons were unusually long that year and they invaded as soon as it was possible that their tanks could move.

Ultimately as the war dragged on there was a growing anti Hitler resistance that purposely sabotaged the german army, for example the general staff disliked Rommel so when he asked for a new operations commander they purposely sent him a known anti Hitler resistance organizer who purposely didn't tell the 7th army that the invasion at Normandy was imminent which was a disaster, and which also caused Rommel to be killed by way of association.

Lel, really? You mean those hundreds of tanks given to the British before operation crusader were inconsequencial? Perhaps if the bongs didn't have incompetent commanders that would have had finished off Rommel's north africa campaign and possibly his career, but instead they ended up losing Tobruk in a counterattack by his meager forces.

You're retarded, Stalin was an internationalists and the USSR wanted to spread communism far beyond its borders.

99% of them will just watch some inaccurate autistic "documentary" for 7 hours that has no actual primary source evidence.

Most of these kids don't even know who Irving is, and most millennials find reading too boring (and yet the dare call others degenerates….)

1) You're retarded that didn't happen
2) You're retarded that didn't happen
3) Capitalize on what? They did all that was possible

If anything Hitler lost the eastern front because he refused to retreat and counterattack, which is something germans tend to be very good at.

In any case the war was determined in the western front. Hitler said this himself, if the western front dragged on and sucked up resources then the USSR would get stronger and it would be impossible to defeat them without pulling away entire armies in the west.

One. General.

The Wehrmacht had plenty of amazing and outstanding generals, and so did the US and UK forces.

Stalin purged his entire officer corps including most of his field marshals out of paranoia.

The difference is that even Stalin listened to Zhukov.

Hitler actually micromanaged the general staff of Germany and debated with them instead of letting them do their fucking job.

For example, Hitler several times refused to call retreat when his generals were advising it, which turned out to be the correct call. Specific example is Moscow in 1941.

You need to remember that a lot of analysis on the war comes from the butthurt traitor generals after the war. They hated that some private from WWI with no formal training in military theory repeatedly showed them up with superior strategy and tactics calls. Objective analysis concludes that Hitler was better than his generals, and anytime he made the wrong call, it was usually from lack of information and something that everyone else believed anyway. For example, that operation Barbarossa would be a quick and easy victory. Everyone was of the same mind on this because they did not know the extent lend-lease and could not foresee events that happened elsewhere (Italians chimping out and so on).

How is it the correct call?

Hitler lost fucking Moscow and got embedded themselves in Stalingrad and eventually lost that too.

And almost always made the right call. His generals were butthurt traitors, and many actually fucked the war effort.

This cult of personality regarding Hitler is getting retarded.

So everyone was against him, even his fucking generals, only Hitler was right.

The second that the majority of white nationalist start rejecting Hitler is the moment when 100% kike subversion has taken place.

No he didn't, in fact he let Rommel run the entire north african campaign on his lonesome.

Furthermore, if you know anything of Hitler's history, nearly all his successful decisions were made contrary to what his general staff told him. Retaking the rhineland, Anschluss, Sudenten land, Memel, etc all were against his general staff's wishes. Indeed Hitler learned in russia that instead of retreating and counterattacking it was often better to hold ground.

Hitler in fact promoted in his generals the want to be individual and sometimes go against orders if that means the situation can be salvaged.

So apparently Hitler is a god who has done literally nothing wrong, even in the military sense.

I'm sorry but you are fucking wrong.

What are you taking about? The retreat suggestion was for temporary retreat for later offensive. The generals thought they could not hold ground, which they did. Hitler made the right call. Failure to take Moscow would have resulted if he had ordered retreat as well, but ultimately not retreating gained them more than retreat would have.

I guess this is my first time saying this.

Thank you for correcting the record.

How is this even a logical conclusion.
This historian is a babbler.

How is it better to hold ground?

It achieved nothing but getting the entire eastern German starved and massacred.

Thank you for literally worshiping Hitler.

But they did not hold ground.

They began losing ground in 42 and lost everything in 43-44.

And then it was a quick mop-up by the Soviet.

You're welcome

Hitler didn't actually support Rommel all that much, and Rommel's main failure in the North Africa front was that he had no fucking logistics.

Don't bother m8, they're deluded

Historically, he was right by objective analysis. German military class were blinded by their pride. Listening to their advice, the Germans would not have even made it to 1945 and would have folded much earlier. It is just historical fact.

And while the traitors were calling for surrender, Hitler knew that their subhuman Amerinigger and soviet enemies had no intention of honorable end to the war. He turned out to be right on that, too, as Judeo-Americans starved and raped millions of Germans and subjected their leadership kind of unjust semitic show trial that had no precedent in European history.

I am talking about the battle, nigger.

Hitler abandoned and lost Moscow.

The Battle for Staligrand lasted for 2 years and ended with a Germanic lost.

No, they did not fucking hold ground.

What objective analysis?

Man, I guess Hitler should have killed all the german generals and micromanaged the war by himself, then maybe the war would be won.

This is getting really fucking retarded.

If the OKW had actually listen to him all the time they would have won the war.
Also see

Tbh Germany's mistakes really go back to WW1, they shouldn't have left a million troops lying around in the east once peace with Russia was signed. And for that matter probably should have gone with a milder peace, maybe just taking the Baltics and nothing else.

Then taken all their forces in the east and sent them as fast as possible westward.

Actually the German people's mistakes go even further back than that, to the formation of Germany. Prussian-Austrian rivalry and Dutch cultural drift was a mistake. The German Empire should have included the German parts of Austria, the Netherlands, and Flanders. Then they would have been unbeatable.

Yeah, ok, because Hitler was there to provide sound advice at any given times, which is why the Allies deemed it was more beneficial to keep him alive than assassinating him.

Zhukov had to call Stalin a retard though to get him to listen. Not even kidding…

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Hitler granted every wish of Rommel's. Gave him the latest tanks, personally made the italian high command subservient to him.

He made Rommel a folk hero via propaganda and made sure he was materially well supplied. It was the italians who caused the logistic problems, they purposely didn't protect their convoys.

The british also had cracked the enigma machine and knew precisely what tanks were to be targeted. Hitler supported Rommel as best he could and turned his regiment into a Panzer army.

Because in the face of a strong enemy it is better to hold the line and force them to run head on into strong defenses which grind down morale, manpower, and equipment.

In some cases this is better, and in cases it is not.

He did make wrong decisions, but they were not any worse than advice from his military staff. For example, he should have killed the Britkikes at Dunkirk, but Hitler being an anglophile delayed and this allowed Britkikes to escape (funny enough this advice also came from his generals but he went along with it).

If you only have History channel-tier knowledge of ww2 dont post.
Go read

Then maybe the other german generals should have called Hitler a retard and let them do their fucking jobs.

Many of his generals were very good (Rommel obviously). It was just some butthurt traitors who had bruised egos from being shown up.

Killing the brits there wouldn't make no difference because Operation Sea Lion wouldn't still be successful.

Rommel was a decent guy, but he's only a tactician, not a strategist.

All that cool gears and tactics, no logistics mean he was gonna lose no matter what.

Yeah, which is why Hitler ended up killing Rommel and let these traitors alive.

Is this some kind of WW2's secret history where Hitler made all the right decisions but because the entire world (his own army included) was against him?

Wtf are you even doing here?

If you dont belive me look up what Jodl said about Hitler

David Irving is a just another fucking historian.

He's not an arbiter of historical facts related to the war, which is plainly visible by the movement of the Wehrmatch.

Rommel wished for oil.

Did Hitler give him oil?

Nope.

It obviously would. Are you stupid?

And they had no intent of doing operation sea lion anyway. It was just a propositional scenario, one of hundreds for many different scenarios as all militaries have. America has many scenarios for invading China right now, but that doesn't mean anyone is planning to do it.

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What exact difference?

Britain's surrender?

Not happening under Churchill.

They didn't have any oil.

Get out fucking alt right faggot

Hitler's War use to be standard reading for officers in the US army before (((they))) changed it. It is 100% backed by only primary sources, even statement he makes is asserted with evidence from primary documents.

Wrong faggot.

Hitler repeatedly gave thousands of tons of oil, Malta and the british navy kept destroying it because the italians purposely didn't protect their convoys.

Oh man, I'm sorry I insult your prophet, but there is more to WW2's military history than Irving's book.

He is retarded dude so don't even bother. He is a "ww2 fedora tipper". He is obviously on another level of intelligent and knowledge than we are.

Hitler lost the war because he started the war. All his major generals knew that attacking Czechoslovakia and Poland would inevitably lead to another World War in which Germany would pointlessly obliterate millions of its own precious youth, at a time when people were already worried about birthrates. As a result, Hitler purged the military in 1938 to install yes-men. The National Socialist state, and indeed fascism and Europe itself would have been far better off without hitler, fascism as a movement would have been allowed to keep spreading, eugenic research could have continued as well, and 40 million European lives wouldn't have been extinguished

I'm too busy reading actual memoirs of surviving generals and soldiers of all sides rather than Irving's account.

So in the end, no oil was given.

Indeed.

Hitler was god, but because the world was against him, he could not win.

This is evidence in David Irving's Bible, Hitler's war.

What a whore

Though, the holocaust happened in Hitler's war…so is it true or not?

Annihilating the core of Britkike army would obviously have been helpful. They went on to fight the axis powers and very successfully after 1943.

I am starting to get the feeling you don't know shit and just repeating crap you heard on the history channel.

Angry virgin detected.

Kike shill detected

Filtered and reported. So suck on Richard Spenser's phalanx faggot

It's very clear that you actually haven't read any books on WW2 history and all their knowledge is history channel tier.

Are you pretending to be fucking retarded? Hitler sent oil, that oil went on italian convoys, those italian convoys weren't protected, so they were sunk because of the back stabbing italians.

The luftwaffe tried as much as possible to airlift oil. Hitler literally gave tens of thousands of tons of material each month (often more than eastern front commanders).

Is that so? Like Hitler's diaries? You know, diaries can be edited after the war to fit a narrative, Churchill did this.

Tell me, did the holocaust happen?

Which pages? I have the book in my hands right now you lying kike

no u

Dude, the brits do not fucking matter.

If the brits didn't fight, the americans & the canadians would do.

Obviously false. Germany in its reduced pre-war state would have ended up as vassal of the JewSA or Soviets. This was the geopolitical reality at the time (and was the reality after the war).

Now it's thoroughly obvious you've never read anything about WW2.

Just stop posting, it's embarrassing.

I suggest alternative websites suited to your faggotry: Tumblr, Reddit, TRS forums, etc

Lol, yeah, British army did nothing in WW2. Saw it on a history channel documentary, "Churchill's Alien Allies."

Lol dude Hitler's aliens would totally rek Churchill's Aliens. But he was to busy not listening to his generals and having fecal orgies xDDDD

Absolute nonsense. Globalism, Liberalism, Communism and International Jewry were already alive and well, powerful, aggressive and spreading.

Yeah, I do not read any WW2 history book, this is why I didn't know that Hitler made all the right decisions and it was actually the generals who lost the war for him.

If we maintain that memoirs of fucking Guderian can be edited, then so can Irving's book.

Page 32.
both sides had pursued the negotiations – might all that happened after, the saturation bombing, the population movements, the epidemics,
even the Holocaust itself, have been avoided? Great are the questions, yet
modern historiography has chosen to ignore the possibility, calling it heresy
He's talking about possibility to avoid the Holocaust, if the Holocaust didn't happen, there's no need to avoid it.

If it weren't for American to USSR oil, raw material, ammunition trade shipment routes, then the USSR would have ran out of fuel the month it was cut off. Even if west Texas alone stopped their oil transfers, the USSR wouldn't of had enough oil from what I have heard.

Yeah, I read nothing about WW2, which is why I know the brits were fucking ineffective in it.

Britain serves as the Western Allies's base of operation, that's about it.

The Soviet were hammers and the americans supplied them with logistics.

Are you kidding? Russia lacking oil?

Lack of uptake of natural resource, not amount. They didn't have the means to obtain enough oil.

It's interesting because Irving was given access by widows, children, etc to personal diaries, letters sent and received, manuscripts, personal documents of all sorts, etc which he uses to piece together every day of that person's life.

Other (((historians))) just sit in their academia ivory tower and circlejerk each other by sourcing Bob who sources Alice who sources John who then sources Bob is an ever repeating circle.

I'm sure you're a firm believer in General Plan Ost, the Holocaust™ (make sure it has a capital H), and quite a few other invented myths after the war.

It's funny, most of these history channel tier "historians" don't even speak german or russian, yet they claim to have "unraveled" secrets of world war 2?

It was Irving that told the world about Dresden and other allied crimes. In post war germany, and in fact there still is, laws concerning historical content which invariable prevents truth from being spoken.

You proved yourself ignorant multiple times in the thread, perhaps you should read up before you talk about something that you have no knowledge of.

Okay then stop posting.

That is about the knight of long knives. Nothing about much holohoax

That is not on page 32.

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See I'm an American too, but I know we win the war by ourselves and the soviets. The British soldiers, officers, and tanks were better than ours in every way. We are like how to the italians were to be germans. The british had a real elite troops, the only ones the germans dreaded fighting against.

Stalin industrialized the USSR through cruel methods before WW2.

They might be lacking in footwraps, rubber, food and trucks, but oil and ammunition, they have a plenty.

Nothing on page 32

attacking russia

FFS……that's the start and the end of the reich.

Stalin was on the fence and coudln't be bothered to ally with the allies.
Until hitler always jibbering on about lebensraum.
Like after annexing austria, checklosovakia, hungary, romania and lithuana, yugoslavia and bulgaria, africa, retaking of the sudatland and half of poland wasn't enough.

He was a fucking greedy moron.

He should have stopped right after half of poland.

He would have only had two fronts not three. Africa and england. He could have did operation sealion no matter what the costs and bam, won the war before 1945. With no england to launch bombers from. His war machine would have chugged on and that's that.

End of story. It was attacking russia.

Telling precisely what primary source documents Irving has edited. Where in his narrative this changes it to "his" views, and where the forgery is.

The burden of proof is on you, Irving went to court in Austria, Germany, and Canada for being a holocaust denier and they scrupulously went through all of his 30-40 books he has published and found only 9 mistakes. 9 MISTAKES out of 30-40 BOOKS.

Fuck off you ignorant slandering kike.

I'm sure you're from TRS or reddit or some other crypto kike movement.

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This is the common thing that (((historians))) say but russia was mobilizing to attack germany and so it was the only time to strike them.

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He shouldn't have broken the treaty and taken all of czechslovakia

Where do all these newfags come from and why do they feel eligible to post about things they have no knowledge of.
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Yup, page 32 talks about the Night of the Long Knives.

Fuck off you slavnigger, Europe does not recognize the conglomerate idea of "white"

Irving himself acknowledges the Holocaust, he just didn't think Hitler knew about it.

British tanks better than the americans.

Now that's a new one.

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You're talking about colonialists who were killing and raping "people" that they saw as barely human; it's not comparable.

The slavs barely see the germans as humans.

what edition?

This is why europeans keep getting fucked by both the americans and the slavs.

fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/2001/HW_Web_dl.pdf

Spotted the pole. Not that I don't understand the butthurt after being screwed over by pretty much everyone in WW2, mind you.

Yeah and now Poland is whiter than Germany.

inb4 butthurt pole

Source?

He has been put on trial multiple times for denying the holohoax.

He was a witness at the Ernst Zundel trial too.

And after the Fred Leuchter report he has always said that there were never any gas chambers in Auschwitz.

The only thing Irving has ever admitted to was that there was likely sporadic killings under Himmler in the east as part of anti partisan operations.

He still maintains that there were never any centralized killings of kikes.

oy vey it isn't on page 32 you dumb kike.

Again as I have said, Irving regards the holocaust as sporadic killings.

Kikes literally define a survivor of the holocaust anyone who has lived between 1939 and 1945.

Anyways this is a red herring, please, do tell, why you think the burger military won the war by its self and that the british army is trash (lel) and have you are so much more enlightened than all of us on the war since you watch the history channel?

You tried.

#1 They attacked America (indirectly), WW1 CHAMPIONS. YOU DON'T FUCK WITH THE CHAMPIONS. FUCKING GOOKS GOT NUKED FOR THEIR INSOLENCE.

#2 Hitler started a war with Russia like a fucking retard instead of consolidating his position in Europe. Hitler got greedy and arrogant, he paid the price.

See>>7159604

No, that's the Big Case Holocaust, which is the Kike Holocaust, not any other holocaust.

Because without the US army's logistical aid, the brits would not have won and the Soviet would have taken longer
I don't watch the history channel. I just read more books than David Irving's book.

Also, this is the stance of Irving regarding the Holocaust:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4730832.stm

How and why am I a troll?

Because I do not worship Hitler and Poland is objectively whiter than Germany?

Wew lad

Did Nazi Germany lose WW2 or was that leftist lie too?

Vatniks are truly subhumans. I shall report you to the Kremlin.

Very stupid comic.

Are you seriously retarded you subhuman fuck? Where was Hitler supposed to dig oil to give to his generals? Your ass?

As per google, Irving says that some Jews were killed by the Third Reich but not as part of an official policy, nor did Hitler give any orders, nor were gas chambers built (nor used) and much less than 6 millions died.

So he doesn't at all acknowledge the Holocaust in the classic sense.

codoh.com/library/document/3154/
ihr.org/books/kulaszka/35irving.html

Thats the joke. Vatniks and their sympathizers are all retarded subhumans.

In Romania.

What?

That's a western comic in English.

See>>7159703

Are you saying, Janunsz, that Hitler blocked the oil from Romania to sabotage the German war machine?
Maybe you should stop shitting your pant and breath for a second, subhuman.

Hitler should have sent the oil he got from Romania in land route to Rommel.

Oh boy, this kind of mistake is all over western comics, it's not exclusively to comic made about the USSR.

This is the reasonable answer. He may have made mistakes, but attacking SU wasn't one. He had to, because no matter what, no one could have stopped the soviet invasion of Europe. The only way was the offensive.

The slavs were completely devoid of intelligent thought, go spread communism some more, Dmitry.

Right, because historically slavs did recognize the concept of white, right?

Also, the second world war was absolutely the first time the slavs won any sort of serious victory over "Europe" since the 6th century.

Oh right, so that's why they're being a bunch of Mexicans and moving all over Europe, abandoning their homeland, because they're so fucking white.

Go swallow a gun, you fucking subhuman

These two do not work together in one sentence, look at this cluster, what within it is white?

web.archive.org/web/20150419010048/http://codoh.com/library/document/3154/

Published: 2011-10-01

Regardless of what his position(s) might be at the present moment, Irving’s statements and/or published works have expressed the following conclusions on his part:

Hitler did not order the extermination of the Jews, and was unaware of any measures others may have undertaken toward that end;

The Germans did not build or use gas chambers for mass executions; and

Considerably fewer than the claimed Six Million Jews were murdered or otherwise killed during the Holocaust.

And ignore the burning Eastern Front right, retard?
I dont know if you noticed this but WW2 was made of many fronts.
Romania was in the Eastern Front, people there got the oil first. Logic.
But since you are a subhuman mutt, I dont blame your lack of intelligence.

Let's ignore how both the poles and the russians beat the teutonic order in the Northern Crusades.
Oh boy, I do not know, white skin, blue eyes, blond hair. You have more of that in Poland than in Germany.

Romania continued to supply the Reich until they were taken over by the Soviet.

Jesus, Holla Forums's knowledge about WW2 is fucking astounding.

So you have Irving himself admitting the Holocaust and you still rely on his book.

Without supplies the USSR would have been fucked

The blind Hitler fangirlism on Holla Forums is something to behold. There are actually people here who believe Hitler was an excellent military strategist who made absolutely no mistakes whatsoever.

Just because you agree with somebody's ideology doesn't mean you have to go full fucking retard with your apologism of them.

In the beginning of the war yes.

After 42, the SU didn't even need the american supplies and have more tanks than the american did.

Its entertaining to watch these self proclaimed experts get BTFO with actual arguments atleast

This.

Then the freshly founded Prussia literally bought your land.
Without the LITHUANIANS This kind of mistake shows how retarded a vatnik or ruspolslav is, the Order would have had exterminated you long ago.
You know what would have helped? Not inviting Germans to work your land in the first place then complain when the people who mastered the land, similar to colonists in Africa, dont want to be subjects to subhumans anymore.

Sure thing. Say why dont you stay in based Pooland then? Why invade like shitskins?

Are you illiterate, Janunsz? Did I ever say Romania didnt contribute to the war effort? I was saying the limited oil in Romania had to satisfy the Eastern Front first.
Be a subhuman somewhere else.

Nobody is doing that, retard. Hitler made mistakes, but not what the subhuman shitpole is spewing here.

Aw, are you going against the words of the Kremlin?

Again, no. He doesn't acknowledge the Holocaust in the classic sense.

He disputes that there was an official policy. He disputes that Hitler gave an order. He disputes the gas chambers. He disputes the 6.000.000.

He says that some Jews died at the hands of the Third Reich and refers to *this*, to these deaths as the Holocaust.

I cant believe there are vatniks here daring to go against official Kremlin's information.
How dare they!

He literally says there were gas chambers and millions of jews are killed in

Look at how the subhumans scurry like cockroaches in the face of facts and the truth.

I don't think so. Germany could have successfully continued its rearmament without Hitlers warmongering and this deterred Anglo encroachment. At the time many leaders in Britain and the US wanted nothing to do with Central European affairs, and Hitler could have probably come to a diplomatic solution with Pilsudski about Danzig without need for violence. There is a lot of like propaganda about ww2, but it's very hard to deny hitlers thirst for war, despite what he said in his speeches.

You have posted that pic 3 times, and it's the same image.

That seems rather small no?

Are you seriously this ignorant? PILDUNSKI DIED BEFORE HITLER COULD HAVE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT DANZIG.

Yeah, man the lithuanians were the only ones who beat the Order, like how they were present in the battle of Ice.

Where is Prussia now?

Did you ignore the last part, or are you just illiterate like most subhuman poles are?

Try harder, subhuman.

You are squatting on Prussia, subhumans. Dont worry, when NATO dissolves, you will find yourself in your rightful place again.

Stalin and Zhukov appreciating lend-lease doesn't mean lend-lease single handlely won the eastern front for them.

Oh boy this LARPer, yeah, I'm shaking in my boots.

Im done. See folks, this is why poles are subhumans. And they will fight tooth and nails against nationalism.
Dont be a fool. shitpoles are pro EU and pro Holohoax. All I have to say.

Oh okay.

Come invading Poland any times, fellow "german".

In 2006 in an interview with the BBC taken while Irving was on trial.

The source I'm referencing is from 2011.

Further, 8 days after the source you referenced, Irving gave another interview to the same BBC while still on trial.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4757506.stm

Last Updated: Tuesday, 28 February 2006, 10:54 GMT

Key quotes:

1

2

3

4

So he still denies that is was a policy and that Hitler was involved (1 and 2). He still denies the 6.000.000. (3). He somewhat changed his stance on the gas chambers but still denies the classic gas chamber narrative (4)

So yeah, not even under trial has he acknowledged the Holocaust in the classic sense.

Nice false equivalence you've got there.

In your same link:

"I said that then based on my knowledge at the time, but by 1991 when I came across the Eichmann papers, I wasn't saying that anymore and I wouldn't say that now," Irving told the court.

Guess this still isn't the Holocaust now?

Invading Russia was needed because Russia was about to invade Europe.

What they should have done was forced the Russians back, and allowed them to burn all their own cities (a well known Russian tactic), and then retreated back to a defensible position (even to the extent of abandoning Russia entirely), forcing the Russians to extend their supply lines just to defend their border, nevermind attempting a counterattack. Scorched Earth both ways would leave Western Russia enough of a wasteland that they might just drop out of the war.

You are the only one who said single handed, cut out the kike argument tactics. Lend-Lease was absolutely decisive.

In the beginning of the war, yes.

Then again, the germans have lost as soon as 42.

Do you live in some backwards universe where the allies slowed down the deliveries instead of ratcheting them up? This is all very easily accessible information man. Do yourself, and this board, a favor and go do some reading before you come on here spouting such easily dis-proven nonsense.

As I said, he changed his stance on the gas chambers somewhat since he says that they were two small gas chambers while explicitely disputing the classic narrative: "not the large-scale gas chambers identified by other historians."

It isn't. As everyone knows the Holocaust is the killing of 6 million jews, using massive gas chambers with wooden doors and fingernail scratches on the walls in which jews were crammed like cattle, as one of Hitler's official policies.

That's the Holocaust in the classic sense, taught at school, portrayed in movies etc.

Denying any of the above pillars qualifies you as a holocaust denier.

The point is that at the beginning of war the Soviet was caught with their point down.

After the defense of Moscow and blunting the tips of Stalingrand, they got their industry together and frankly do not need lend-lease.
The accessible information shows that lend-lease only accounts for 4% of total Soviet production in the whole war.

So even if millions jews were killed and there was no gas chamber, the Holocaust don't real.

Noted.

No the point is you are trying to downplay the effects of lend-lease and I simply will not allow you to distort the truth.

Logical.

I highly doubt that 4% figure.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

If even Russia is saying they would have lost without it I think some random dickhead on the internet is probably wrong.

If there was no gas chambers then yes the holocaust wasn't real and those camps were detention camps

The 4% figure is provided by the Kremlin which some other dudes quote over and over again.

The total debt was 11 billion, which wasn't much considering Britain eats up 30 billions.

As said, it was crucial in the beginning of war, in 1941.

But in 42 and above? Nah.

That killed millions of jews?

Pretty much.

If millions of jews were killed and there was no gas chamber that wouldn't matter at all WRT the Holocaust, it would simply be something else.
It would be a mass killing of jews or you could even give it it's own name like say Kikeferno or something but it would not be the Holocaust nor prove the Holocaust as the Holocaust has a very clear narrative which has the gas chambers as one of it's central elements.

Oh wow.

So Holla Forums, what do you wager?

CTR, JIDF original, Kremlin or simply a butthurt slav?

So provide a link.

We aren't talking about Britain.

Guess this is something all those historians are wrong about then huh, its just funny that they are right about in the holocaust in your eyes but when it comes to the significance of lend-lease? Nah.

Yeah they were. American tanks were shit and cheap to make you fucking autist.

I'm sure you think the Sherman was better than the Tiger or some retarded shit like that.

He's just a burger who has been properly indoctrinated by the government education system and the media.

After watching a 20 minute documentary on WW2 he is now an expert and knows that everything Hitler did was a mistake and all other historians and authors whose research suggest otherwise are inherently wrong for some reason

Also apparently the British didn't do anything in WW2 at all and British professional soldiers are somehow worse than American GIs who trained for one month

Sherman was actually updated and used up to the 60s, and they absolutely beat Tiger in the western front.

I got it.

So we define ourselves by technicality, no jews, no gas chambers, no Hitler doing it, no Holocaust.

What historian? What author?

inb4 David Irving

David Irving doesn't know shit about military strategy, he writes one book about how Hitler's choices supposedly made sense, it doesn't mean they were good or even smart.

It seems like you're making the assumption that a man who has been to jail multiple times simply for challenging the Jewish narrative would not change his official opinion to prevent further incarceration.
(especially if his actual opinion has already been written down in book form)

See>>7159929

We were talking about the SU, which somehow racketed a lot of debts, but only about 1/3 of Britain.

What historians?
The ones you quoted even said
This means they only need the resources in 1941.

He said shit and I quoted it.

If you don't believe he changed his position, that's your problem, not mine.

8.8cm L/56 completely rekted shermans at several kilometers away

76mm couldn't do much to the tigers armor at those ranges

the fuck are you talking about, shill?

And I suppose you're an expert?

lol

You can't overthrow the j*w's tyranny without having him set the whole world against you. The Axis got flooded with good goys and niggers from all sides.

The actual outcome of the war, where Shermans drive through tigers and destroyed them in the western front.
It doesn't take an expert to acknowledge reality.

They couldn't have avoided the war.

the problem started because Germany had a private central bank, which kept inflation and such to reasonable levels, and made sure the German economy was properly funded. Under that, investment was guaranteed to internal economic development. Germany became a huge economic and technological power. They exported products that Britain couldn't compete with. In the media of that day, Germany was portrayed as the main villain of WW1. Germany was forced to pay the war costs of all the participating nations, even though they didn't even start the war. Germany's private central bank (which was already badly in debt) was allowed to break free of government control, that lead to the inflation of the Weirmar republic which trapped Germany in massive debt, and basically destroyed the counter.

Jews were basically raping their economy, and with their currency so useless, it got to a point where they had to use baskets full of money just to get some bread. When the Weirmar republic collapsed economically, it opened the floor for the National Socialists to take power. Their first financial move was to issue their own state currency that wasn't borrowed from a private central bank, so kikes couldn't make money off it. It was based on a unit of value, not debt. Germany took off, and miraculously rebuilt their economy, they became a major threat to other nations again. (although Hitler did eventually just outright break the treaty of Versailles)

"Should Germany merchandise again in the next 50 years, we have led this war
in vein." Winston Churchill

"We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." Winston Churchill
1936, radio broadcast

"Germany has become too powerful, we have to crush it." Winston Churchill, 1936
to Robert E. Wood

"This war is an English war, and it's goal is the destruction of Germany." Winston
Churchill Autumn 1939 broadcast

This was ALL about economics and profitability. Germany's state issued value based currency was a DIRECT threat to private central banks around the world. They organized as early as 1933 (see Judea Declares War on Germany) a boycott against Germany, to stop them, because they didn't use currency borrowed from a central bank, thus they couldn't profit off them. Nations were looking for an excuse to go to war with them. Hitler's greatest fault was giving them one.

"The war wasn't only about abolishing Fascism, but to conquer sales markets. We could have, if we intended so, prevented this war from breaking out, but we didn't want to." Winston Churchill to Harry Truman

"Germany's unforgivable crime before ww2 was trying to loosen their economy out of the world trade system, and to build up an independent exchange system from which the world finance couldn't profit anymore. We butchered the wrong pig." Winston Churchill in his book.

Just don't invade Poland, man.

warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/sherman-tanks-tiger-tanks-the-battle-of-the-bulge/

It's awesome when you say this that has no sources isn't it?

Tell me, what are your politics like?

I am guessing SJW, cuckservative, possible even someone from TRS, maybe even a lolbergtardian

National capitalist.

Protectionism, militarism, racialist, just don't think Hitler made right choices in WW2.

By the way Brits sent lend-lease too, it wasn't just America, they sent £308 million in their times money.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You aren't even trying to pretend to be having a debate any more when you outright turn one sentence into another.

I'm done with you, you are the type of useful idiot Yuri warned us about who can't accept reality when it slaps you in the face.

Just don't accept territory stolen from other nations, man.
Just leave the people their right to self determination, man.

And who won the Battle of the Bulge?

Okay you're a alt right cuckold

I'm sure you like Pinochet too, right?

Red herring.

You said that a single sherman tank was superior to a tiger tank.

I said you were wrong, and then I provided a link that says that indeed Tiger tanks were superior to Sherman tanks, the difference is that Germany's production facilities were being destroyed so even if it costed thousands of shermans they would eventually be able to grind out the battle of attrition.

So your point is moot and you're a kike shill

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Russia also sent lend-lease, does not change the fact the brits received the most money.
In what say, I have said over and over again that lend-lease saved the SU's ass in 41, but became unnecessary in 42 and beyond.
In 1941, right in your quote.
reality when it slaps you in the face.
I cannot accept reality, yet it's you who aren't backed by proofs.
Yeah, just invade other country and get ganged by other allies. That's smart.

kek you are from TRS

I'm not even an iron autist

That explains it all, you are now filtered

Indeed I do like Pinochet.

A single sherman was superior to tiger tank in the end of the war, much more cost effective, more ways to customize, and the Easy 8 eat tigers for breakfast.

Sound like T34, which is yet another tank that is superior to Tiger.

Nigger I have given you links for every claim I have made, you have yet to post one to back up your own.

Kill yourself

TOP KEK

You need to be ended.

You claim that lend-lease effectively saved the SU ass.

I claim this is right, but only in 1941 where they still haven't gotten their shit together.

And I back up my claim with various sources on how little lend-lease accounts for Soviet production, and what little money did the USSR actually receive.

Need having gay foam parties and paying thousands of dollars to have Dickie Spenser's phalanx and Greg Johnson fuck you in the ass

Both the shermans and T-34 destroyed tigers, panthers and what have you.

But of course, german tanks were the best, that's why they won the war.

Filtered and reported

They were nationalist and capitalist, which you have moronically, or perhaps semitically associated with the alt right and cuckoldry.

Tanks were crucial in german overall strategy due to their mobility.

But guess what? Both Allies and Soviet had superior tanks compared to Germany.

Don't be so mad now.

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Who the fuck cares?

(You)
Seriously? Are you even fucking trying? I mean, I know you got a reply, but however much they pay you it's to much.

Not only did Hitler (and Japan) get involved in a land war with Asia, they both thought it would be a good idea to be at war with the British Empire and US.

The whole Tripartite Pact was poorly thought out and irrational. Italy was an inept and unnecessary ally.

Excellent post. Isn't it funny how the "Axis of Evil" run by authoritarian dictators were the group that wanted peace and tried it's hardest to negotiate and avoid war, while the "peaceful, democratic republics" were the one's who pushed for war and wanted to fight at all costs disregarding all treaties and peace offerings.

G-d, I hate you Uncle Adolf-loving 1488 LARPers.

The hypocrisy makes my blood boil.

I can forgive causal hypocrisy. What I can't forgive is the lies thought in schools and history books omitting information to serve an agenda. I wish I was this level of red pilled two years ago. I argued my socialist social studies teacher last year about economics, and forms of governance but in grade 11 we learned all about WWII and the holocaust for about 70-80% of the course. In my first hand in booklet in grade 12 social there was a question asking: "Who controls most of the media in North America" the answer he wanted was for us to lost the 6 major companies that own, but I said Jewish run Media Empires. I got that question (((wrong)))

WWII was a major fucking crossroads. They took our world from us and turned it in to nothing but wretched ugliness.

smh

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You can't handle the truth.

come on user you're on Holla Forums don't speak like a nigger

Oh lookie here, another kike shill to filter and report. Maybe you should try harder next time chaim, you gotta earn your shekels trying to shill us. We are too smart and enlightened to hear opposing opinions and views, anyone that browses Holla Forums should know that. Thats how I know you're not from here moishe.

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A REMINDER THAT FDR WAS A JEW

In the mid 1600's Claes Maartenszen van Rosenvelt emigrated from the Netherlands to New Amsterdam. He is FDR's ancestor, the first of the family to come to America. Amsterdam was full of Jews at the time and many left for New Amsterdam.

Rosenvelt = Rosenfeld. It was Americanized to Roosevelt. I have also read that Delano may be a Sephardic name.

Ironic nigspeak is the highest form of culture tbh

This has been an interesting thread to read.

When you say "inconsequential," you mean "quite important." You're quite right about the areas where army groups were bogged down and annihilated.

I've heard Vatniks claim that only 1% of Russian/Soviet war materials came from the US. It was probably more than that, but even if it was only 4-6%, when they were fighting in the thick of it (1942-44), that's probably the difference between 1,000 Slavs or Mongols surviving the campaign long enough to meet the enemy or starving. I think the whole armor and planes part is usually overblown when I think that was only a fraction of the shit the commies got.

To what capacity though? The vast disproportion went to the Allied powers. You also had air raids targeting German industry at great intensity between 1941 and 1943. The amount of British and Russian industrial capacity destroyed by the Germans was relatively small, and probably all of it was rebuilt by 1942-43 at the latest with help from Lend-Lease or other programs wherein the US sent material.

Even with the impressive ability they manifest late in the war to shift strategic assets to more defensible locations, as well as to make do with degrading raw materials flow (another huge problem) - both of which led to a surge in output attributed to Speer but which may have had relatively little to do with his management in fact - I think they were up shit's creek by that point. Once on a defensive posture, the effects of attrition became more and more severe, especially as 1944 and 1945 wore on. Many forget the fact that they lacked sufficient throughput of crude oil, rubber, aluminum, steel, tungsten, heavy water (deuterium and tritium), etc. The problem was so massive that they came up with a process to produce synthetic oil; and anything which required hardened steel was incredibly difficult to produce adequately (i.e. armor, rifle barrels, ball bearings, heavy machinery). In the last months, they outright abandoned any semblance of quality control with the Volkssturm rifles of course but that's another topic altogether.

That was the long-term plan. The problem was bad blood as a result of the Great War and needing something to hold them to their word. So Germany had clearly just bested France. If he gave Pétain and co. complete control of a capable military (which France had, albeit under less formidable management than Germany's), what was to guarantee their cooperation? Why would Pétain even allow German troops to continue operations along French soil, which was necessary for continuation of war efforts for some time, let alone to pledge French troops for the fight? Nice hypothetically, but to make it binding is a different matter.

1/2

2/2
The other thing is that the western blitzkrieg (Fall Gelb) was far more successful than they had planned for. They achieved every strategic goal they initially set out for so quickly that the war planners didn't have sufficient time or resources allocated for an invasion of Britain. Thus they had the abortive Operation Sea Lion, which was basically impossible except under ideal circumstances since it called for a pontoon bridge, and the pontoon bridge would have broken apart within days of construction anyway. Storms roll through the channel frequently enough. It's evident that they weren't ready for an invasion of Britain, that's one of the reasons they fucked around in the Balkans.

The biggest problem early on, I maintain, was listening to Goering - as I've said elsewhere. At Dunkirk and before the Battle of Britain, he maintained that the Luftwaffe alone could achieve all the necessary strategic aims. This despite the fact that the Luftwaffe was set up very clearly as a support arm of the Wehrmacht with SOME mission independence. You can look at the roles and construction of most of the aircraft in their fleets, how they setup the squadrons, and how they conducted sorties. It was all different from how the British and Americans did it, because it was primarily focused on CAS and tactical bombing (i.e. finding specific targets on the battlefield or in theater generally, medium altitude, twin or single engine, etc.). In fact, the proposals made for strategic bombers were all either modified or shot down.

Also this ^

Depends on the ground. Stalingrad turned into a meat grinder and the oblivion of the Sixth Army (a substantial part of Army Group South). Similar thing happened with Kursk.

lol, the nearest ports of resupply were from Northern Italy or Southern France, assuming they could get either Mussolini or Pétain to go along. North Africa was nice for the oil, but once threatened you have to recognize that they were so far stretched from supplies that it would have taken major reorganization to ramp up that theater… Oh, and by the way, if you didn't notice, there's a giant war going on out east.

Sherman Fireflies or the various American versions with 76mm guns were about as good as Panthers, and more mechanically reliable.

So the Jews started World War 2, explicitly.

Harry White, the Jew Soviet spy, tricked Japan into attacking the US.

The History Channel needs to run a special at once! This is brand-new, world-changing information!

HARRY WHITE: THE JEW WHO STARTED WORLD WAR 2

FDR: The Man Who Sold the World

Trying to conquer all of Europe. Hitler should have stopped after regaining the land lost in the first war and getting appeasement.

Low energy bait

Germans merely adopted the cold, Russians were born in it , molded by it, they didn't see the warm sun and the soft season until they were already men, and by then they were too drunk to care.

Didn't know that about Harry White. Good post user.

Anyone able to find a source on that news paper?

Can't really find a paper called "Journal Final" from Milwaukee at that time

Actually fuck me there's heaps of sources if you google it.

Also lmao @ Google as soon as I typed: "Hitler 16" all the suggestions fucking vannished

Here's a copy from a small Australian newspaper

archive.org/stream/16PointPlanOfHitlersSixteenPointsNewcastleSun1September1939/16 point plan of Hitler's sixteen Points Newcastle Sun 1 September 1939#page/n0/mode/1up

Good job user, I'm proud of your initiative. Have a bonus prize.

wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/nothanks/wwr00.html

This is true, Roosevelt even ran on keeping the US out of WW2. Our involvement was the most retarded thing we ever did.

Keep in mind that people were being forced off the radio and the like for no reason under the Roosevelt presidency, like Father Coughlin.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin

FDR is also the same fucker that effectively killed the constitution in 1933 and it still hasn't been restored. Even the pretend check on executive power in the 70's did literally nothing to curb federal power.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Report_93-549

Also, Berlin to Moscow is literally a giant plain, a defensive stance is completely untenable in the long term. See pic, mobile warfare was a German specialty for good reason and mechanization was a brilliant move by the general staff.

Without the US the USSR would have folded, the equipment and supplies, everything from trucks, boots, and the entire telecom infrastructure was American through and through. Add in that communism is retarded and everyone would've starved without our food aid.
historynet.com/russias-life-saver-lend-lease-aid-to-the-ussr-in-world-war-ii-book-review.htm

What possible reason do you have to assume that the Soviets and Allies were in any way opposing one another? Every decision made in the war only supports that the two were serving the same ends.

Hitler refused to push Dunkirk because his real mistake was underestimating the bloodthirsty foolishness of good goyim.

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Threads like these are perfect, because they show that there is no such thing as "White Nationalism". There is only Germanic Nationalism, Slavic Nationalism, French Nationalism, Latin Nationalism, Celtic Nationalism, etc.

Germanics hate Slavs even more then Turkroaches and Arabs, Slavs hate Germanics and Turkroaches more then Jews, Italians hate the Portuguese more then anyone, the British hate fucking everyone that isn't Britain, and everyone hates the British, any given Holla Forums argument will always devolve into Europeans calling each other subhuman or Christians and Pagans throwing poo at each other.

Just Ctrl+F and look at the number of times Anons use the term "Subhuman" to refer to rival Europeans. White Nationalism is a joke.

Well, the biggest mistake was declaring war on the United States in support of another unreliable ally. However, it was Erich Raeder who insisted on it, since his navy had effectively been at war with the United States ever since Roosevelt declared that American ships would start sinking German submarines, I think Hitler should have bit his lip until the Soviet Union was defeated or insisted on Japan opening a second front to the East.

Another big mistake was Operation Typhoon and it was pretty much all the fault of the German high command and the decision was strategically taken when Hitler was absent because of illness.

Hitler's plan was much more sound, wanting to first secure Sevastopol and Leningrad before advancing on Moscow and in hindsight we know that this was a better plan. Sevastopol and Leningrad were already under siege and capturing them would not have taken that much effort, at least in comparison to the almost million casualties Germany took during the Typhoon offensive, not even mentioning the loss of fuel, munitions and equipment.

After the loss at Kursk the war on the eastern front became such a complete shitshow that ascribing blame to one person is ridiculous. Hitler listened to his generals most of the time and most of the times his generals were eager to listen to him, after the war was lost though, they were all more than happy to ascribe all blunders to Hitler.

Honestly, the worst offenders have to be the Germanophiles, who seem to think that Europe refers only to Germany, Austria, and Scandinavia, and literally nothing else, and that every single country outside of these are filled with subhumans. They aren't the only ones, don't get me wrong, but the Germaniboos in this thread are a perfect example of how White Nationalism keeps shooting itself in the foot by implying; that the Italians and Mussolini were Kike traitors who somehow deliberately sabotaged noble Germany, every Slav is a literal nigger, the British weren't worth shit and should have been exterminated, and the French deserved subjugation for daring to impede on the expansion of Mother Germany. I thought we were smart enough to realize that stupid shit like "Generalplan Ost" were Kike lies to make Germany look bad, yet here you have autists who genuinely WISH that stupid shit like that was real and that every non-Germanic person should have been exterminated.

Hitler lost because he was a softy, didn't want to bomb london, he could have taken london just as fast as he took france and poland.

He was way too soft, that cost the whole war

This, apoart from the farce that was Nurnberg. Holla Forums should talk much more about the American concentration camps in CONUS as well as Europe.

But by whom?

You're technically right (the best kind of "right"), but after the loss of the Dunkirk army the Brits would have been left with nothing. Political will and will to continue the war would have crumbled in England.

Poland is bought and paid for by Anglos-Jews. Quite ironic, given the general sentiment of the population. WW3 will not be pretty for them.

No, they didn't have the naval/amphibious capabilities. That's just wrong.

You're right, the conflict between Pan-White Nationalism and the Traditional Nationalisms is on eof the greatest dividers within the movement, one that has to be worked out somehow. In fact, I even suspect there might ne a conscious D&C attempt somewhere in there.

He had total and absolute air superiority except at nights, when England kept bombing his cities for almost 2 months.
He could have bombed london to hell and then land on it, even bomb the fuck out of the English Navy

[citation needed]

Germany was under extreme pressure.

If anybody else than the ultimate avatar, Adolf Hitler, would have led Germany, then they would have been crushed much sooner.

Germany suffered defeat in the physical dimension, but victory in the spiritual.

Like Haku Ten-O said, we have already won in that dimension, and because of that, it will manifest in the physical also.

We are already seeing this process take place as the jews are losing control of the narrative and their false flags and excuses for wars are exposed and rejected. They are resorting to extremely desperate measures, to the extent that their antics become completely transparent, even to the most gullible of good-goys.

He wasn't an internationalist. He wanted socialism in one country as opposed to the classical Marxist idea of global communism.

He didn't want to spread communism per-se, he wanted to expand the Soviet sphere of influence (aka have puppet regimes in the Baltic states of Eastern Europe). It was a geo-political effort, not an ideological one.

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This is b8

There are actual Americans that really think they won the First World War and think they had any significant involvement.

I thought Romania's king/prince whatever, switched sides in favour of the soviets and then the Soviets fucked them.

most people don't understand that Stalin was in fact not pozzed. He was just an asshole.

Was leaving the EU a mistake?

America and Russia.

Duh.

The first mistake Hitler made was to choose to be the aggressor. If he let Poland strike first (which they were planning) and take some mild losses then he could have struck back with full force and taken Poland while being seen as a liberator.

The reason behind the attacks at Pearl Harbor was the correct reason; to keep the US busy so they could grab some oil from the Pacific Islands because Japan had none. However, their execution was pants-on-head retarded. They blew up a bunch of boats, planes, and people, but they didn't touch ANY of the oil reserves in Hawaii. This means that as soon as the US could send more ships and troops they could immediately refuel at Hawaii and continue on their way to the Pacific Islands. If they just focused on blowing up the oil reserves in Hawaii they would have kept the US out of the war in the Pacific for nearly three times as long, because the US would have had to ship a bunch of oil over to Hawaii and then send planes and ships.

In fact, all the failures of any of the Axis members I can think of was because of poor planning with either their supplies or the Allies' supplies.

You think winter is your ally?
t. Finland

Britain would not surrender until someone invades Britain.

And this hatred against Poland is hilarious considering how Germany attacked them.

Poland refused to accept Hitlers demands. After the war the Poles and Soviets forced Germans out of their ancestral lands.

that's a roughy, OP

Did Hitler really say one POINT two? And this guy remembered that POINT for sixty years? This sounds completely contrived and unbelievable.

You forgot the Netherlands, and German Switzerland.

;^)

I blame this one the fact that Italy modernized 10 years before Germany did. Therefore most of there equipment wasn't as advanced. Also Italian strategists weren't very good. While I do think Italy was loyal until the last day they weren't much help, which may have been because they were fighting for land vs. Germany fighting for survival against the kikes

Only niggers are literal niggers.
I personally haven't had any experience with most Slavs but I despise Polacks and while I don't hate Russians I do harbour resentment because they gang-raped my Uroma and threatened to kill her daughter (my Oma) who was three.

First yes, second no. Just Cuckhill

Germany is the Vaterland (fatherland) not motherland. And if we subjugate the frogs then who will we BTFO in battle other than our rivals

That's what happened. Polish forces crossed the German border multiple times and caused a bunch of shenanigans. While it wasn't a full out invasion they were the aggressor. You must also remember that Hitler was an Alpine German. He had no ties to Prussia other than childhood admiration. I am sure that Hitler would have been fine with letting the Polacks keep ost Prussia in exchange for the German people living in "Poland". This is proven by his 16 point plan, which would have had a vote by the residents in the land.

Then there wasn't enough of an international incident and news about it. You need to tell the world you're being attacked before you retaliate. That is the problem I have. Germany is only seen as the aggressor because there wasn't enough outcry about the Poles.

GERMANY ONLY LOST THE EASTERN FRONT DUE TO ILLEGAL US AID

All of Russia’s first-class aviation fuel was supplied by the USA. Their boots and most of the uniform material, as well. Blue rubber for their tires, all of their aluminum, fully ⅓ of their munitions, over 500,000 trucks (all far better than the 200,000 Russia produced themselves during the war). Upgunned (76mm) Sherman tanks were a big part of the Russian drive through the Balkans, where hundreds of them participated and had a measure of success. Aerocobras, P40s, C-47s, and A-20s (18,000+) all considerably assisted the Russian war effort. Almost all telephone communication was over American phones. The Russians produced 92 railway locomotives; they got 2,000 through lend-lease.
Well over half the Luftwaffe was engaged in the west from 1942-5, and 75% of German aircraft casualties were against the western Allies. Each U-boat cost 5,000,000 Marks to build. The Germans built over 1,000. A Panther tank cost 117,000 Marks, That means about 40,000 tanks were not built so that the Germans could wage the War of the Atlantic. Think 40,000 panthers might have made a difference against an unallied Russia in the East? Each V2 rocket cost, in labor and material, the same as 3.5 fighter planes. The Germans launched over 3,000 V2s. Do the math on that.
The British and Americans deployed over 20,000 heavy bombers against the Germans, causing great destruction. The Russians never developed one. The Allies supplied 317,000 tons of explosive materials, including 22,000,000 shells–over half the total Soviet production of ~600,000 tons. Additionally, the Allies supplied 103,000 tons of toluene, the primary ingredient of TNT. In addition to explosives and ammunition, 991,000,000 miscellaneous shell cartridges were also provided to speed up the manufacturing of ammunition. In addition to military equipment, other wartime commodities were essential to the effort. These included 2,300,000 tons of steel, 229,000 tons of aluminum, 2,600,000 tons of petrol, 3,800,000 tons of foodstuffs, 56,445 field telephones, and 600,000 kilometers of telephone wire. The Soviet Union also received 15,000,000 pairs of army boots. Lend-lease aircraft amounted to 18% of all Soviet air forces–20% of bombers, 16% of all fighters, and 29% of naval aircraft.
There were also 10,000 heavy caliber anti-aircraft guns defending the Reich. Do you think those would have shored up German defenses in the East?
What would have happened if Rommel’s Africa Corps and the 30+ German divisions in France would have been in the don bend in fall 1942 protecting Stalingrad instead of waiting for British and American divisions to land? What would have happened if the 400,000 troops stationed in Norway could have helped Army Group North capture Leningrad? What would have happened if, in 1944, the German armies trying to hold the divisions fighting in Italy and the Balkans could have been freed to fight against the Russians in the south? What would have happened if, in 1944, the German armies trying to hold the Allies out of France could have been sent to Bylorussia prior to Bagatron? The Germans were never really able to muster more than half their strength against the Russians. They were fighting a technological war against the Brits and Americans that required a huge manufacturing effort.
Russia gives the western allies no credit for tying down so many German resources and destroying so many others (30% of 1944’s total production) with their strategic bombing campaign. Russians like to think themselves hard and are proud of the fact that over 20,000,000 Soviet soldiers died in WWII, when that only shows how useless and undisciplined Russian soldiers are.

What movie is this from?

Germany made no strategic mistake, the Axis lost the war because Italy was incapable of even defending itself let alone fulfill its part of the plan and Japan already fucked up day one by invading a nation of 400 million people instead of pouring into the resource rich and empty lands of Siberia as Germany decimated the Red army in 1941.

Were can I find such details information about lend lease to britain and the soviets? Don't care if url or book or video.

Hurr Goymany was the aggressor. All their fault Pooland dindu nufin, they gud goys. I know it's true because that is what my left wing socialist High school teacher taught me.

I heard once that the kill ration on the eastern front was over 130:1 so for every German death over 130 Russians had to die. This is probably low too. Once if hit Moscow that the Germans invaded before they could the soviets panicked and soon started sending conscripts out with literally no training. They would round them up out them on a truck/train and send them out, at the worst times there were conscripts going into battle with not just no training but no weapons. This was ailed a little as the Red Army encouraged anyone to bring guns from home, so they had one less person to arm. So there was conscripts with no training, who a week ago had still been on their farm taking care of their babuska and now they are fighting trained German shoulders with MP40's and the arguably the best bolt action rifles ever made, and they're fighting them off with their Grandpa's shotgun from the 1800's. I've heard that German snipers use to joke about how many officer kills they had gotten because the untrained Russian officers would get out of the trenchs and stand on the ground looking for the Germans through binoculars and the German snipers would score head shots on these officers who just stood still out in the open. It seemed like Stalin's only feasible plan was to keep throwing soldiers at the Germans until they got tired of killing and went home.

You're fucking retarded.

Highly questionable.

Subhuman assblasted Polack scum detected.

If Britain and France hasn't acted like massive faggots Hitler would had invaded the Soviet Union there and then.

you wanna know why hitler lost the war?
because he let the SS put their goddamn hand in their pockets

I don't even know where to begin. you are just wrong.

Those countries joined the Axis and were independent, you retard

Then how do you explain all the peace offerings to England, which Chruchill kept secrete from the public. Why did he let the Inselaffen live at Dunkirk? Why did he send Heß to Scottland to negotiate peace?

t. Pole

Some Coughlin for you

Ha ha ha ha nice one user. Only Marines will understand this

People really don't understand that is so easy to align with other whites. You don't have to agree with them 100% but they are still kin, so you do not have to divide so thoroughly.

Just like a family, I assume you would support your brother, sister, mother, or father over a 2nd cousin, 3rd cousin, or somebody who isn't even distantly related to you?

Well, you can support whites just like you support your third cousin. It doesn't have to be end-all-be-all, but at the very least support them over a Jew, a Negro, or a Gook.

In fact, Europa should not stop fighting amongst themselves, it is what made us great in the first place (but we should unite against the shitskins). If we stopped fighting between nations we would fight between brothers, but for fucks sake support your kinsmen over a fucking nigger, jew, or gook. We have mutual interests, and we have group interests, learn to differentiate.

Life isn't as simple as Us vs. Them. It is me vs. them vs. that group. vs. that nation vs. that ideology - it is endlessly complex. But there are no people more understanding of your spirit than your own people. Whites are related within 10,000 years of each other, that is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Even a shitskin with a noble spirit should be respected to a degree. You faggots need to stop looking with contempt upon people who seek to better their people. If niggers, jews, and gooks worked towards becoming noble beings, would you really mind them? If they shutdown their degenerates, and worked towards bettering civilized man, would you fault them for it?

Promote good people, promote people of your ilk (no one wants a miscegenation byproduct), promote good.

Also you are using dishonest arguing tactics.

You are clearly neglecting the fact that the EU is controlled by globalist kikes who have no affinity for any culture or race other than Judaism. You are as bad as a CTR shill, but I feel like you are one of us who is literally just retarded. Figure it out retard. Figure it out.