The Deracialized Nationalist Problem

The Deracialized Nationalist Problem

How do we solve the issue of deracialist nationalists?

e.g. Dutch "we were invaded by Nazis" nationalists that absolutely fucking hate White Germans but accept shitskins, French "muh language" nationalists that absolutely fucking hate Anglos but accept shitskins, certain branches of the IRA that are as retarded as the French accepting shitskins and hating their neighbouring white ethnicities, and all the other cancerous varieties of nationalists that go full retard hating their fellow whites and embracing non-whites.

There are many of these sorts of so called "nationalists" who care far more about some stupid fucking niggerball sports, or their language, or "muh culture" than they do race.

Somehow racial awareness must be introduced into their mindset or perhaps they must simply grow old and die, so a new generation of racially-minded nationalists can replace them.

Look at the fucking maps. The borders in Europe have been drawn and redrawn over and over. Germany is a fiction. Holland is a fiction. All these nations we have are fictions, having existed only a short while. They do not reflect biological reality.

kill them

Why kill them when we could, theoretically, convert them?

You mean civic nationalists?

As useful idiots, they are a temporary ally, but they are never to be trusted. The only real indicator for someone that is based is ethnic nationalism. Because civic nationalism can be easily dismantled, but ethnic can't, kikes will avoid the latter like the plague and so will other non-whites with similar intentions.

You shouldn't openly alienate them from the start, but simply stand your ground and not allow compromises when they start trying to drag the agenda in a wrong direction. What they are good for is as allies to enlist for policies. A Dutch nigger for instance can't be convinced to purge all the niggers, but he can (provided he belongs to the minority among niggers with the necessary intellect) understand that a constant, seamless influx of unskilled migrants brings increasingly self-perpetuating crime, poverty, unemployment and reduces the consumer's (including his) surplus and is therefore bad. On policies like these, try to enlist them to help.

And once the situation is better, the whites are more redpilled and the non-whites are an actual real minority (not just declared top-down but actually a small proportion) again, turn on them with no remorse and drive them out of your country by force.

the fuck are you talking about with that dutch thing? afrikaners or some shit? the swamp germans I know love their duitsbroers

Some of the Dutch in my family are butthurt about World War II still. In my parents house there's even an old antique plate of some hero of Dutch Nationalism treading over a torn National Socialist German flag with a horse he's riding.

Afrikaners? Why would you think they hate Germans?

White people are doomed for this very reason. Even here on Holla Forums if you go to certain topics like brit/pol/ you will find cucks cheering about the Dresden firebombing.

GIB BACK BIKES NOW!!! The Dutch in my family seriously bitch about the bikes every other day. It's absolutely nonsensical. They're some of my family who're completely indifferent to it and see the problem Europe is facing but I'm afraid that a lot of the Dutch don't see themselves as "Germanic" and instead see themselves as "Dutch".

They have to be able to see and process the gravity of the situation in Europe which is currently taking place right now. Europeans are currently being encircled and as the noose tightens they'll react to it. The only difference between civic nationalism and ethnic nationalism is perception of the situation. All historical differences must be put aside.

Well, I see myself as Germanic or Nordic or whatever foremost, and Dutch as merely incidental.

Pretty much anyone with similar phenotypes to me is my kin as far as I'm concerned.

Exactly my point! The European peoples have common identities. The Nordic people, the Celtic peoples, etc, and we need to assert those identities. The European peoples can become "united" under their original titles and from there a completely "United" European people can be formed.

Nice """nationalism""" there, OP

We have to keep ourselves separate from moderate options like Trump, or UKIP by all means support them with votes but don't give them vocal support.

this nation was not built by your people, it was built by my ancestors
this nation was not built for your people, it was built for my people
this nation is not your rightful inheritance to claim as your own, it is ours through and through.

we will not take advice on how to run a nation from the cowards who ran away from their failed nations

people can renounce their citizenship.
people can renounce their faith
but people can not renounce their blood, their race, their people.
but you tried. in the name of survival, you shed yourself of your ancestors, your homelands, your own people.
your people suffer while you live in luxury undeserved.
and we, like your own people, see you for the disgusting traitor you are.
you are not our brother.

and for the children of such cowards, we pity their inherited foolishness.
there is little more despicable than a man convinced he is what he is not, little more deplorable than a man who pledges allegiance to a people not his over his own people who needs him more, and nothing more vacuous than a man who knows nothing of his ancestors, his homelands, his people.

Hey, if an arbitrary border, that divides you from your own blood-kin, is "nationalism" than fuck Nationalism.

Some of you on this board seem very committed to wasting time and resources.

A nation is an ethnicity; it's the people. It's not the country or the government.

Good. Then you won't mind giving up 70% of USA territory as "welfare gift" to niggers, and have all whites in the remaining 30% of land, overcrowded and lacking resources.

After all, a nation is not the country, huh?

By such logic Washington was retarded in rebelling against King George and good race realist american should bow to the UK Queen.

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He was. The Founding Fathers were liberals and merchants. Democracy, even Republicanism, a shit. The American Revolution was no different from a Communist revolution.

And I'd happily accept a racially separated US. Within two generations the shitskins will try to wage war intending to forcefully take gibs and whatever land we gave them will be cleared up for colonization once more. Think of it like a compost bin for areas like Chicago and Detroit. Also, Whites would get about 60% of the country. Minorities are still minorities.

Max kek user, you're not going to get racial awareness from the IRA. They're literally Marxists and have been since the very beginning.

Civic Nationalism is NOT the solution, it only buys us time.

No. I was stating that what makes a country is the embebbed memories of your ancestors sometimes as early as parents or grandfathers killing and dying so you can have your piece of land.
Throwing such events away reeks of cultural marxism. One thing is wanting racial higiene, another is to use a race as an excuse to burn away every value that brings stability to the nation

Well it had no NKVD death squads, no murder of royal family, no mass killing of political dissents (they were allowed to flee to Canada in peace and that's it) and trade relations with UK were eventually restored.

Go read a book.

Shitkins are taking over inside your country on the why your own post speaks for itself. You start right away by hating your own history and your own "priviledged white male founders", who were not that "sucessful" because after all they "were commies".

The Founders were tremendously successful, because they were White. What they succeeded at creating was something worthless because they were liberals. We mustn't praise their efforts simply because they were White. What they did was wrong; what they believed in was wrong. Don't make the same mistakes that they did, use your efforts to build something that will make your children proud, rather than something which will make them slaves who have to share their efforts with shitskins while dying for Semites.

Every time.

The Olympics were even worse. I wanted to see representatives of ever country, but instead got nothing but niggers. Seeing an actual British person representing Britain was a relief, though.

I know that feel. This is why the Olympics means nothing to me.

They were not liberals (the fuck). Washington had a huge amount of military self discipline and grasp of military tactics that would leave you "redpilled racial realists" up to shame. He did in fact defeat the most powerful empire of the time.

Oh and their stance on slavery? Basically "I don't care". meanwhile you faggots live in fear of BLM and need to self explain daily why white guilt is wrong.
Inferiority complex status: confirmed

I disagree. Non-whites should never be included into a nationalist circle in any way whatsoever. "Civic nationalism" doesn't exist, since the nation itself is intrinsically linked with a racial element. A non-white will always put their own racial interests first. Always. There is no way a civic "nationalist" party can turn ethno-nationalist if they have built their platform on creating a race-blind "inclusive" identity. Our goal should be the alienation of non-whites. We need to make them feel uncomfortable. We need to make them know that they do not belong, and that they are foreigners living in our lands.

Instead of trying to appeal to non-whites with worthless half-measures, we need to go all out and actually expose to white people everywhere that non-whites do not have our survival at heart, and do not give a shit about the racial composition of our nation. Put them in the open for all to see. Paint a target on their shitskin chests.

Or you could read the writings of the Founders who wanted to follow their Cuckstian morals and end slavery, but didn't push it through because it would have led to civil war. Instead they pushed off the civil war until the more liberal northern states could enforce multiculturalism on the southern states.

The Founders were mostly Enlightenment derived liberals. I think what you fail to understand is that Republicanism itself is a liberal ideology. Hierarchy and authority are the pillars of traditional European idealism. Anything which decentralizes the power of the state, allows lower castes influence on society, or uses rhetoric which implies equality in any form is liberal.

It doesn't even buy us time. It lulls white us into a "safe" false-sense of security.

Sounds like Northern Europe has been liberal for over 2000 years then.

t. filterman

They rebelled against authority for profit and to establish a more egalitarian society, they certainly weren't conservatives.

For fuck's sake, the Constitution bans the granting of noble titles. Strong caste systems were the fucking basis of European society before Cuckstianity. The Aryans considered nobility such an important trait that they self-identified with it.

This. By involving the undesirables you are legitimising them. What do you do once all the shitskins in your country turn against immigration? The white people you recruiting using such tactics are going to think the job has been done and carry on with their business. The stance must never be anything other than "they all must go, regardless of how long they have been here"

Not necessarily. A black Holla Forums user is infinitely better than a white SJW. Civic nationalism can exist but minority levels MUST be kept at a limit so they never exceed X percentage of the population and they must be regulated to prevent segregation causing tribalism. Give muslims a ghetto and they'll expand and take over a city, limit their availability in numbers per area and they will never be able to alter the climate. Forced integration or deportation also adds to this.


Thats a key factor you miss. Take my ass for instance, I'm a white PR (double spanish ancestry, grandparents moved to the island in their lifetimes). I recognize most PR's are absolute trash genetically and in terms of behaving in a civilized manner. I'm standard deviations above the normal PR in terms of both intelligence and economic status, its in my best interest to leave behind subhuman retards that cripple me and live with americans that have my values and love of freedoms. I've lived in the states for years when I was a student, I never associated with people from the island, my friends were Russian, Khazak, German, Spanish (though i hated that they spoke spanish around me over english in the US), British or American. Where would you say my loyalty lies; my shithole island or the United States of America? How about where my best interests lie? Acceptance among Americans or exaltation among low IQ subhuman puerto niggers? My whole life I've rejected the shit behavior and values, the disgusting attitude of ignoring every problem, of never striving for something more, never struggling for more. I'm born in PR but I am a true American in every way.


True, you cannot have a race blind platform, you must be completely aware of multiple factors like crime rates and intelligence. You must also find a way to deal with wavering levels of patriotism, too many immigrants I've met claim to be americanized when in reality they keep their own customs, values and beliefs.


This is very much true, most people who migrate do so for economic opportunity or a higher quality of life but do not assimilate. Simply being peaceful is not enough, you must truly have the values of the host nation over that of your own in order to successfully be a nationalist.


Not all non-whites, but this is accurate and should be done to about 95% of them.

Americunts are such fucking cancer.

Meant for:

Get a load of this retard.


Displaying some Puerto Nigger IQ there my friend. Go live in Commiefornia with the SJWs you seem to prefer.

yuropoors are pretty ignorant

No, they are equally deserving of expulsion from civilization and execution if they don't agree to leave. There is no place for shitskins in European society.

Anyone identifying as "American" rather than "A European born in the Americas" is generally cancer. America was not founded on the traditional values of our race but instead on the corrupt ideals introduced through Cuckstianity.

We would rather not associate ourselves with trash user.

Evolution must become mainstream and actually taught seriously in schools, then people will understand how they're different from each other due to how their ancestors adapted to specific environments

Not just evolution but population dynamics, basic biology, inheritance, etc. should all be taught.

Yeah I've thought about this a lot. The only solution I can come up with is to kill them.

This. I don't know why we give american citizenship to these people. I hate them so fucking much. Everything is a god damn mess and if you dare point out that their so called paradise is a fucking shithole then the rebuttal is literally "WELL YOURE JUST A STUPID HATER".

Some fun facts:

Only positives are nature and the under 1% of the population that can actually do shit. Even most of those in that 1% of rich and educated shouldn't be allowed to migrate due to the fact that some still hold PR values over American values. The US should deport the faggots who host a PR flag in the US or attend the PR Pride Parades or shit like this (HOLY FUCK KILL YOURSELVES TRAITOR PUERTO NIGGERS)


Retard detected, founding fathers have claimed multiple times they did not have that shit as their ideals.

0/10, though I understand the genetic argument as they are europeans born elsewhere, they are vastly different in so many ways that its stupid to classify them as such.

this.
I also treat people different based on not having blue eyes/white skin.
Am I racist?

They're just good at shifting the overton window.

That's the problem. The only way to "make America great again" is to make it a colony of Europe with European values. There is no greatness outside of Europe other than what Europeans bring to the rest of the world. To divorce oneself from that identity is to betray one's race and walk an inferior path.

Yuropoors are delusional I know you're b8ing but fuck you I'm biting anyway

sage

Evolution must become mainstream and actually taught seriously in schools, then people will understand how they're different from each other due to how their ancestors adapted to specific environments

Not just that, go further and bring in shit like IQ being mostly genetic, behavioral traits (i.e. warrior gene), etc.


10000% this


You can convert civic nationalists, a better kill goes to SJWs, Kikes and general trash in the US.


Multiculturalism and Mass migration?

I kid, but cannot agree. Some values should absolutely be brought back but not all. Even European itself is a blanket term for the United States of Europe since each EU nation has its own values and customs. Germany, France, England and Spain are very different despite being European.


But colonization done best IS a European thing to do. HA! CHECKMATE.


GET OUT.

tfw only attracted to blue eyes and blonde hair or green eyes and red hair.

at least blonde.

I am blonde and blue eyed.

You mean all of the places that were European colonies and are now shit? How did it work out for Rhodesia when they stopped being a colony of Europe again, I can't seem to find it on the map.


Absolutely, it's just kind of pointless to try to pick out one or another nation to use as a specific reference when everyone is anonymous.
And I don't think there is a single pre-Cuckstian value which shouldn't be returned. Pre-Cuckstian Europeans were the inheritors of the culture of the first civilization which emerged 30-50,000 years ago. Sure, we can update our tech, but the ideals which are most beneficial to society do not change. They were based on the eternal fascism of the natural law, and to that great order must we return if we are to hand our children a worthy society.

probably not a fem

What do you mean by your post?

that there are no girls on the internet.

You couldn't be further from the truth. Marxism creeped in in the '70s, and even then, there was a massive power struggle between the old (nationalist) IRA and the new IRA. Read a fucking book. Not surprising that you post a vid of that kike-alike paisley.

Do you happen to live in America?

In one of the Northern States?

I don't waste my time with pointless idealism.

I have a list of goals I want to see accomplished and support anything that brings any one of them closer to fruition.

nope, however I might move there.
Don't have any concrete plans.

You're talking about civic nationalism.

I.e. Not real nationalism

If you're really a single Holla Forumsack female looking for a mate, don't be coy about it. Go make a thread and get it done. That sort of thing is one of the most important investments for the future our race can make.

I think that 262d65 is a female or maybe doesn't speak English as his/her first language.

I have a hard time understanding what the fuck he/she is saying to me in each of his/her posts.

No they're not. A black Holla Forums user is still a racial foreigner who needs to be expunged from our nation. They do not belong.
No, you fucking retard, "civic nationalism" doesn't exist and cannot exist. It's simply an oxymoron. A contradiction of terms. A nation is intrinsically linked with the racial element that built and defined it. Any "nationalism" that doesn't hold this eternal truth at its center isn't nationalism at all, but self-destructive, race-blind state-worship. It's a complete bastardisation of the concept of nationhood, as it strips the very thing that defines the nation away from the definition of the nation.
Wrong. I don't want minorities in my lands nor do I need them here. None at all. This cancerous mentality that "some" non-whites can stay is exactly what got us here in the first place. The moment you make exceptions to the racial element. The moment you include a non-white the definition of "American", "Canadian", "British", etc., you have torn the very racial foundation of your nation out by the roots, as you have now made a statement that ones race is no longer important or defining of who you are as a people. Why the hell can't you understand that "some" minorities is the equivalent of more minorities down the road. If you don't have any of them, then you won't have the little entitled motherfuckers campaigning for the rights of minorities and feeling like they're "just as American as you". Your idea is degenerative and self-destructive and should not take hold.
If you have full white ancestry, then you are white, and as far as I'm concerned, welcome in America. If you were a nasty half-breed, however, then I would say you need to fuck off back to Puerto-Rico. Americanism is inseparable from White Racialism. If you belong to the European racial community, then I welcome you with open arms. I don't think your example is particularly valid.
Crime rates and intelligence are not the only factors. This are just materialistic happenstances, but do not form the basis for our rejection of non-whites. We fundamentally reject non-whites because they are not of our people, they are unable to connect to us on a fundamental spiritual level,t hey are completely foreign to the racial foundations that formed our nation, and they will always hold their racial interests at heart. You frame your argument as though you have nothing wrong with non-whites living here in principle as long as they are intelligent and don't commit crime, but as I've already made clear, this does not address the deeper reasons we reject non-white immigration.
You still don't understand. I don't want shitskins to be "patriots". They don't belong here or deserve to be "patriots". Their presence degenerates and dilutes our national racial identity and strips the racial foundation of the definition of American away from who we are as a people. Only a self-destructive deracinated false identity can include shitskins and allow them to be "patriotic", as it has fundamentally rejected the foundations of nationhood - shared race. A nation is not just "customs, values, and beliefs". A nation is all these things resting on top of a racial foundation. If you take out the foundation then the building either collapses or cannot even be built. A strong set of "customs, values, and beliefs" can only be built on a strong foundation, while the cheap "shitskin patriotism" you described is the extent of what can be built on no foundation at all - a weak straw hut.
Again, you still don't get it.
NON-WHITES CAN'T ASSIMILATE. EVER. THEY ARE FUNDAMENTALLY INCAPABLE OF DOING SO ON A DEEPER SPIRITUAL LEVEL
Fuck off, you civic cuckold. "Values" are meaningless without a shared race to uphold them. A nation also cannot exist without a shared race defining it. A shitskin can never become a "true nationalist", regardless of their values, as they still lack the blood that forms the foundation of a nation's identity.
No, you shitskin-lover. All non-whites. Every last single one of them. I have extensively explained why.

Aristocracy is an unnatural hierarchy, anything that goes against nature will be destroyed eventually. You would have us ruled over by jews for all of eternity just to maintain the status quo. Don't forget how immensely jewish the english crown was in the day.

Eat shit Republicuck. Irish independence was a Bolshevik operation since Day 0, it was never motivated by love of the Irish people or culture, their express purpose was to create a Socialist Republic. Why don't you read a book?

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This so hard. I don't want hoardes of fucking chinks in my nation regardless of whether they are "intelligent" and "don't commit crime". They're buying up all the property and displacing us. I feel like I live in fucking China Town.

Vancouver?

I feel sorry for you

The problem is that white nationalism is incapable with 2016 America.

There are far too many non-whites here. We aren't going to genocide non-whites and we aren't going to deport them if they're legal. Anybody who says you can is living in a fantasy world.

The only thing that will save the white race in America is the halting of further brown and black immigration and gubmint incentives for whites to breed on a large scale.

Fuck off, you defeatist cuckold. If there's a will there's a way

I'm not defeatist. I just spelled out how the problem can be fixed REALISTICALLY. Your wet dream of dragging non-whites out of their homes and machinegunning them in front of a ditch is fucking retarded.

Your "solution" is not realistic at all. If we ever get to the point where there is enough popular support for stopping non-white immigration on the basis of preserving racial integrity, and programs explicitly designed to support white birthrates, then we will have enough support to deport all non-whites back to wherever the fuck they came from.

A different Canadian city.

You can do to them what is currently being done to you: impose differential birth rates on them that tend to erode their political power over time.

That is what you did to the Native Americans who were never explicitly genocided, are in fact still here, but are powerless and irrelevant.

They don't need to be deported. There could be White cities, nigger cities, and anything goes cities for degenerate scum.

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