I wonder if we could have another one of the "arming yourself with knowledge/ arguments" thread

I wonder if we could have another one of the "arming yourself with knowledge/ arguments" thread.

I wish to improve my arguments and rhetoric against fags, trannies and company.

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changingminds.org/techniques/general/art_of_being_right/art_of_being_right.htm
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Why is op always a faggot?

Rude user.
How is this bad?
We've had these threads before.

Lurk more.
>>>/polarchive/

user please.

/polarchive/ is very incomplete and definitely needs more documents than it has at the moment.

I'd be more than happy to contribute. What you'll notice on this board is an attempt to either derail conversations by false encouragement or an attempt to dissuade conversation, usually done by a tripfag or an avatar. Know these people by their methods because it is important to know when to engage and when to disregard.

Saul Alinsky's 12 Rules For Radicals

RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.”
Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
(These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”
It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
(Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.”
Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
(This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
(This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions
(Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
(Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)

RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”
Don’t become old news.
(Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
(Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
(Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)

RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”
Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
(Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
(Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
(This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

So rude. Gay hugbox shitpost troll says so.
KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT

How?
I literally want to have arguemnts to dissuade people from enabling homosexuals.


Pretty good advice although I'd imagine most of these points are well known by the common Holla Forumsack.

Why not focus on improving your slide threads?

+ No Links, No Archive.
+ Vague General "Idea" as opposed to a real question.
+ OP Admits they just wanted a thread about something but have no real contribution(sliding).
+ Virtjew signaling with Anime, "fags", "trannies".


+ This poster points out this is a slide thread also.

(Checked)
+ This poster also is wise to the schemes of the kikes.


+ This poster appears in any threads that challenge the kike narrative and starts quoting a kike book on how to take down western society in defense of the kike threads. The author of the book being quoted here dedicated his book to Satan. Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis on this book.
+ Uses imagery which is disrespectful to the people on this board. A kike will always look-down on us in his posting and laugh when you support it.

Unfortunately the site (not board) owners are rather negligent. They don’t give a FUCK about us.

WEEBS ARE THE PROBLEM
GO AWAY

Alright user.
Let me give you a direct question because apparently what has worked just fine before isn't good enough anymore.

What are some arguments against the support of homosexuality and homosexual marriage that even a normie can understand?

-Homosexuals don't breed, therefore decreasing population
-Homosexuals create more homosexuals, therefore more people who don't breed.
-Homosexuals spread diseases like AIDS
-If the normie is religious, claim that they are desecrating marriage and are immoral sinful individuals who stayed from the right path.

Thank you kindly user.
This could've been a good thread.
Is it summer or what is going on recently?

I made the last thread that was along these lines. It was the one with the futurama dude. I would suggest a meatier OP, OP. That said, it could be a decent thread but it has been descended upon by newfags. I was thinking about making the thread myself because I wanted to discuss various useful argument linguistic kill shots.

Everything is a slide thread (even though you can't slide the stickies) ever since the Correct the Record shills have been found.

Do tell.
Any topic in particular?

While I could've made the OP meatier, this wouldn't have been the first of its kind so an introduction to this very simple procedure wouldn't really be necessary.
I think it's disgusting that people wreck a thread for basically not spoonfeeding them on every level.


I guess so.
Holla Forums has been on a very strong decline recently. It couldn't just be this incident, could it? There has to be another factor.

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It's not recently at all. Holla Forums's Holla Forums stopped being good post 2014 December, and after that it only got worse with each passing month.
Of course this is admitted only by those who are self aware, and outright denied by those who delude themselves into thinking that Holla Forums never changed, the latter being the more vocal in this case.

THIS IS NOT A THREAD
THIS IS AN IDEA THE OP HAD ABOUT A TOPIC FOR A THREAD

Quit being a lazy faggot, do some research, and bring some solid information to the table to share with everyone so that you are providing value to the board.

You want people to do your research for you.
You want to be spoon-fed information.

These are hallmark traits of the kike. Sit on your ass while you conduct your info-usury at the expense of good threads that are pushed off the board by your bad threads.

Gas yourself.

STAY VIGILANT

Excellent idea, user.

+ We need more in-depth discussions like this one.

/polarchive/ does need to be updated.

+ These threads are a great way to refill them.


+ Posts direct information exposing how shills corrupt threads.


+ This posted is a CTR shill and gets extremely upset whenever someone exposes Hillary Clinton's playbook. To quote the document in which shills (like this one) use is not an endorsement. That would be like saying each time someone shows an ISIS flag in a post, that must mean they support ISIS. This is a textbook strawman argument
+ User doesn't understand memes that have been created by Holla Forums, for Holla Forums, exposing themselves as outsiders.

VIGILANCE MAINTAINED

Didn't quite work out how you planned kike huh?

We don't need you to decide what is or isn't a thread, avatar faggot.

I guess I wanted to discuss normie-digestible methods of redpilling on the JQ. I tried talking to people about it but it's of little use.

One point that I brought up that I thought was a poignant point was that I thought the candidacy of Bernie was a simply because I didn't want to normalize judaism in the same way the election of JFK normalized Roman Catholicism in the united states. This led to a conversation about why I wouldn't want to normalize judaism which was a fruitful one.

We're reaching shill levels that shouldn't be possible.

was a problem simply*

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Randy, I fucking told you not to post when I post; you're going to blow our cover. Also, how do you DM on here because IT left and I don't know what a captcha is.

Please refer to gassing instructions communicated in post:


kek


Obviously this demonstrates that "Stay Vigilant" is a kike.
What was he doing in that 10 seconds while he switched his IP and wrote up a whole new post?

No, they are JIDF.
Playing both sides as usual.

The problem isnt trannies fags and company, in a somehow "natural" society they will always exist.
The problem is that these issues are used as sacred cows and a excellent method of "virtue signaling" as you frogs coined it.

Today being progreessive means that these issues take the spotlight of social discourse or it is alteast pushed in that direction esp. in murcialand. It has its roots in murcialand (and by that i mean modern day SJWism) because the american public is a lot more mallable than other nations. This stuff is also used in sweden and other western nations but not to that extent. I somehow have the impression that this bullshit is pushed from outside forces in sweden to make sweden the sweden yes nation it is because it has a differnet social model that used to work and upheld prosperity in sweden. Now the sweden yes shit is tied to these ideas so they cannot be seperated anymore. If you say "high wages and a healthy income for anyone" then you also automatically have to say "feminism yes" and "refugees welcome". So it is a lot more usefull to avoid that topic entirely and just point out that it is just a distraction, emotionally capturing but only matters to a insignificant amout of the population.

This is sarcasm autists

Of course the quality fluctuates. We all know Holla Forums and Holla Forums will never be as good as it was between September and December of 2014.
But in the last few weeks, of not couple of months it's been getting a whole lot worse.
It feels chaotic and is full of crap like this >>7154158 and way too many stickies.
It feels cluttered and like a mess whenever I see the frontpage.
If this guy isn't a shill he's a fucking retard.


Oy vey. kek


The JQ is kind of hard to get to in my experience.
I've only experienced being even slightly able to name the Jew with people I've been working my way towards that.
It's a topic normies are very brainwashed about, heck, it's probably the thing that took the longest for me to digest.

The only time I've been able to name the jew was when it was very topical.
If you point out hebrew contradictions and bring up hypocrisy in a person's argument ("muh Christianity is stupid" can easily be abused in that aspect) you can drop the J without making the normie turn away or suspicious.
Another way to o it is if you bring up that a person is a jew with confidence.
If you are dominant and imply that this is common knowledge they won't question it, being afraid to ask and sounding stupid for doing so.
So I guess overall you can start the path to the JQ by redpilling on other topics and tactfully naming kikes.


That is a good point that I don't think is mentioned a lot.
Not only is what pointed out a problem but the fact that people care way too fucking much about this crap.
I'll be sure to remember this. I think it's very strong.

You're fucking gay dude. Are you trying to find arguments to talk yourself out of it? Is there any reason you couldn't glean this information from any of the other threads on the topic or from the archive? That's what I thought.

Nice thread JIDF.

Nice roleplay, faggot.

I'm sorry user.
Here, let me write my post in a way you'll understand:

WEW, RUDE user :^)))
You fucking
RETARD
we've had these threads plenty of times you
NEWFAG SHILL FAGGOT
LURK MOAR you moron! BACK TO REDDIT YOU GO!
sage for downvote!

So what is your deal? Why are you posting this vigilance meme everywhere?

Dunno but if i would be social engineering wizzard this ideology would suit my needs perfectly.
The ideology it is derived from is batshit insane and operating in a complex construct and if you are skilled enough you can always sidestep the main point of the argument. It is like trying to catch a fata morgana, it isnt possible.
It also fullfills the aspect of being emotionally capturing aiming at the basic core of individuals, sex, identity etc.
So in a way you get people to agree with it or people spending their energy in refuting their points which will lead to polarization but in a certain environment only the numbers matter. So if you take murica for example, in the media sphere this shit takes a big space, maybe not so much in the everyday normal motherfucker, they probably heard about the current year and triggers. Ofc this stuff spreads to other nations since we have the internet and murcia is the origin for a lot of good shit and abyismal retardation like SJWism (without overextending here). But has no real foundation in other nations just in a rudimentary form (basic feminism and refugees welcome).

SJWism is like beating water, ultimately pointless. Point out it is like beating water, agree or disagree with some basic points, because i personallly couldnt care less about fags and trannies. Trannie psychology is interesting though because i think there is a certain trend that induces that (no real transgenders but circumstancial pressure derived from many contemporary factors), like a basic constant trannie population and they get new members due to the shit that is going on today. Which would be to complex to explain it in any meaningfull way.

Here is something i read recently
The Art of Being Right, by Arthur Schopenhauer:
changingminds.org/techniques/general/art_of_being_right/art_of_being_right.htm
Most of it are just fallacies though, but keep in mind that even fallacies can be used to your advantage.

That's pretty good.
Mind you, I'm aware that faggots and such folks aren't the biggest issue we face, although it certainly is an issue that needs addressing.
But getting people to understand us usually require a lot of babysteps and, like it or not, getting redpilled on the topic is a huge leap for normies.


I'll give it a read when I wake up.
Thanks user.

Well, since the fucking is cat is out of the bag. Fucking Randy was supposed to post in another thread but he sent me the wrong thread link. Yeah, I'm from CTR. Yes, I'm getting paid for it. Randy's doing damage control in the Trump Rally thread right now.

It's not one guy, there's 3 or 4 of us. But I don't fucking care. Today was my last day anyway. I didn't even know what this fucking place was. I just needed a temp job for a few weeks till I go back home to upstate.

Fuck you Randy. Fuck you Ed. And Fuck you, Denise. "Cap" this or whatever. 10 second posts apart is not a coincidence. Also, fuck Hillary. If she kills me, I have 90k in college debt, you doin' me a favor you syphilitic cunt.

So you're not CTR then.

LOLWUT

You guys are just IRC trolls who enjoy the attention.

Oh it was 'denise' not 'dennis'. You're still just trolls.

i don't care if this is fake. this is funny as fuck.

Correct, i think it always depends on which crowd you talk to and what kind of person you talk to.
Talk to a person with a certain background knowledge, just like in a computer game, you use a different lingo and a lot of implied knowledge.
I mean what are the basic points OP is refering to or what does he want to argue against?
Argue against fags, why? Fags will always exist and they are born that way. There is not much to argue against. What is to argue against is the fucking virtue signaling and the sacred cows they make out of them. It is all that you are a "homophobic, racist, misogynistic asshole" is overamplyified. It is just minor shit everyone does and it doesnt need any "fixing" aslong as fags can be fags without getting bothered. What they want is the opposite, praising them and making them sacred cows.

So that is the main point you should focus on, SJWism is just a certain train of thought and the media and other cultivated shit is trying to get the focus on that, in a more sophisticated way it is used to goat hoarding opinions or group dynamics.
If you want to argue that gender isnt a social construct then there are many ways to do that:
1.Evopsychology, most basic shit compare people to other animals and different behaviourism. If they believe in evolution they have to belive sexual dismorphism aswell. Also depends on the skill of your oponent. Give examples that stick, and do not try to do bunnyhops with a sophist.
2.Gender wage gap, use sweden as an example.
3.Critique of the fundamental architecture of the ideology it derives from. Cannot be falsifyied, aka the teacattle in the sun orbit.


Fallacies arent fallcies in a in person dispute. A lot of stuff is about "aura" representation and believeability.
When i drive home i always see a tinfoilhead nutjob on our capitol city place holding up a sign that does basic critique of shit the city does. Now this guy is a nutjob and everyone can see it, he might makes perfectly sound arguments but noone will give a fuck what he says because he is a nutjob.
In a way it is a fallacy to refute his points because he looks and acts like a nutjob, but people sense that. It is not exactly what your excerpt says (that is basically sophistry or the game) but it is basic shit people react strongly to.
A person with a title, well dressed and other stuff that makes him a respectable member of society and indicates status can make ridicolous statements and they make more sense than a nutjob with a sign even though the nutjob might be right.

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