Currency

What should be the preferred form of currency under socialism?

Work quota vouchers given to you by your local party commissar after your supervisor confirms how much labor you have expended in the service of the People.

Just like comrade Marx and Lenin intended.

None, otherwise this isn't socialism.


Labour vouchers are not a currency.

In the beginning, probably some for of internet currency not that different from what we have now, although what one could actually purchase with it would be luxury items, since necessities would be provided for regardless.

Eventually all form of currency would become redundant and necessary, although all currency will continue to hold sentimental value indefinitely for a small number of hobbyists.

currency based on time of labour, like Proudhon wanted.

What does that even mean? The value of every commodity is already based on time of labour, by definition.

Proudhon is an anarcho-syndicalist?


And if two people contribute two different amounts of labour-time they've created two different amounts of value and they should be 'paid' accordingly. I guess…

Well, as an ancom I think we don't need a currency. A gift economy is all we need, as Kropotkin said "All is for all". So if you're a baker you make bread and whoever needs it gets it, same for everything else.

How would this work in an urban environment?

Memes are the only true future currency.

Depends on what sect of socialist you ask.


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Labor vouchers, if you can consider labor vouchers to be currency.

Value =/= price. The number of hours worked to get the blueberries you buy at the supermarket has little bearing on how much you have to pay for them.

How would that work exactly?

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No there can't.
A currency implies trade. A society based on trade is a society where all the goods are produced as commodities, where labour force itself is a commodity, hence, a capitalist society. Trade is precisely what we need to get rid of to get to socialism.

Labour vouchers wouldn't be used for trade. Thus, they wouldn't be a currency.

Ponies.

Currency is meaningless in a world without culture. People have no incentive to exchange anything without some ability to understand their fellow humans. There is a reason why there are multiple currencies.

why have currency?

Because you might be interested in acquiring things you don't presently own, made by someone who is better making that thing than you are.

We wouldn't have any urban environments.

Kidding.

I don't really understand your question. Do you mean people on urban environments don't produce anything of value?

How would people go about exchanging goods or services?

why have ownership and property?

Why share things communally?

If someone walks into your house and starts trying to use your shit you are going to to want to shoot the fucker in the face.

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They wouldn't, that's the point.

The point of what? Why the fuck would anybody not want to exchange goods or services?

The point of socialism. All the goods and service belong to society as whole and are distributed by society. That's why it's called socialism. There will be no need for exchange anymore.

This meme again, really?

Distributing goods and services still requires exchange. You realize that right?

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You work X amount of time, and are compensated for that time with at a standardized rate with a one-time use (likely notarized in your name alone) voucher that can be used to exchange for assorted goods. The rate of "payment" is not based on the type of labor, but solely the time participating in useful work.

Personally I think that labor vouchers are a good transitional program for addressing the temporary problem of lingering consumerist culture. Going straight to all products being entirely free and available to every individual runs the problem of hording by those who retain to the hyper-materialistic values of capitalism. Ideally under an immediate post-revolutionary socialist society, all products that are necessities for day-to-day function (food, water, housing, basic transportation and communication needs, etc) should be provided to all people who do not already have such items. "Necessities" and "luxuries" would be determined by democratic means based on the pragmatic capabilities of what the specific community's logistic and productive capabilities are. "Luxuries" in this case would be items that would require labor voucher exchange for personal acquisition, and would help limit unnecessary consumption.

Of course it doesn't.

Distribution is a form of exchange.

Quite the opposite, actually.

Free pdf for you to read

Something for me from you in exchange not neccesary

It is if you intend to distribute anything. Don't give me reading material just because you can't explain yourself.

Distribution requires one person to be given something from another.

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You can't trade labor vouchers, morons, otherwise they're not actually vouchers, they're just credit

Exactly: it doesn't require the other person to give anything in exchange.
Plus, here the other person isn't precisely a person: it is society as a whole.

Either none or regular fiat currency.

"labour vouchers" require lots of bureaucracy and its very fucking easy to cheat or accidentally leave people out of it.

The point of money is to limit access to scarce resources. Use that money to do that for scarce resources and provide post-scarce resources for free to society, like water or food.

The pdf has little to do with the discussion, it's just one I picked at random

The point here, is that you just got a free pdf distributed to you without having to give something in exchange

That doesn't deny anything I said though. Distribution is a form of exchange . . .

If I downloaded it there would have been an exchange. You are fucking retarded.

An exchange of what? What do you give him?

because god forbid you educate yourself before having it spoon fed to you during a 'debate'

Are you retarded? If I give you something for nothing in exchange, how is that a form of exchange?

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but the more realistic scenario is:
the goal of the communist project is to move to that final stage for everything. then, some kind of energy credit system may exist for managing scarcity. but no currency