Libertarianism is the one true way

if you fuck it up for your kin*

I asked a legitimate question.

Alone we are but twigs. Together we are a mighty faggot.

We cant be conquered until you divide us. Go fail somewhere else.

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This is a childish post that I have not seen the likes of in years probably since 2013

You gave an argument that pretends to be a question. Give a reason why you would think libertarianism has to be nationalist in any way. Having some form of state doesn't make it nationalist. Social democrats aren't nationalistic, for example.

I'm not saying you can't do it, I'm saying you're cannon fodder for doing so.

Collectivism is not related to pride, and mass collectivism is bad for other reasons that any libertarian or anarchist will gladly tell you about, but that's not what this thread is about.

You must be talking about your own post, and the one above yours.

mods ban him already

you got nothing from my post then, why should I listen to a loser like you that wont even defend their family.

Why is it that libertarians become fascists but not the other way around? It is a one way path.

Is it idiocy to feel pride in your kids if they do well in school? Is it dumb to feel pride if your father is a self-made man?

Dear diary,

OP was a mighty faggot today, and should win the Olympic gold for sucking the most cocks at the same time. His attempt to stir things up between Holla Forums and other boards was so transparent, he should also win the gold for lowest quality bait.

No exactly, so how do you attribute the argument you used in OP, which was anti-nationalistic, to libertarianism?

Could you even feel pride in yourself really? After all, all the cells in your body get completely replaced every couple years. Sure, you're the same organism, but by your definition that's incorrect.

Nigga you posting in a lolberg thread, sage.

NOT
EVEN
TRYING

Top kek. OP takes black dicks in his anus and gargles kike semen.

pic related

Wtf, jadore la lolbergs now.

Someone post an cap smiley faces that shits hilarious.

Because it is also individualistic.

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strawman

GIVE ME A SIEG AND A HEIL, Holla Forums!

This is how I know you're a shill.

SIEG HEIL

You didn't make an argument, you made a greentext meme because you're too much of an irrational statist to make any real arguments.

lel white race is best race, you dumb nigger. White nationalists are proud because they're the smartest and best, and therefore can accomplish the most.

Now shut up and eat your hamster

Stop teplying retards

No.

Cool arguments, bro.

That image always makes me so happy

Wew lad, if you're triggered no one is forcing you to stay on Holla Forums.

do you really know where you are, a little regurgitated drivel isnt going to convince anyone here

libertarians are heartless autistic faggots or deluded fools who would take their own personal freedom to extremes while the world and their brothers crumble to dust around them all the while spouting empty headed mantras like the free market will fix it

news flash it wont
nothing gets fixed until smart men pitch in and work together

and of what value is personal freedom when you have no community to engage that freedom

the problem with libertarians is the illusion of separation, you autistic fools think you can define an individual without the collective that gives rise to that individual, you cant

one man cant exist without a woman to procreate and one family cant procreate on their own the community IS the individual

i dont get it, how do libertarians imagine a utopia based on personal freedom?

what about conflict? people have entirely different ideas and would express complete freedom in different ways, it most obviously overlaps… people cant survive without others and most certainly need and want things from other people, any mutual exchange of value requires the participation of both sides and with unlimited personal freedom no one has any obligation to participate in anything

all you have done is move the 'religious' and 'country' based conflicts into 'economic conflicts' all you have done is shift conflict from countries to companies or even just individuals

compromise is an inherent aspect of life because the person is not separate from their brethren and the environment that gave rise to them and no amount of mental gymnastics about exchanging tokens will change that… hell studies on mammals even show isolated animals suffer just from isolation itself, isolation is used as a torture tactic and as a punishment for criminals

i feel sorry for libertarians, i really do, i used to be one…

i think most libertarians are overly introverted, i think they have maybe had problems in life with other people and have actually deluded themselves into thinking they can live entirely alone or that they can abstract away 'others' until they fit into some category in their mind

wake up and look around at the world around you and participate in it instead of idealistically walling yourself off

nationalism doesn't mean you feel pride
the point is to respect the achievements of your predecessors and build on that, trying to become as good as them, making the world better for your children

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Your point makes no sense. Why are you advocating for people to do something that lowers their country's chances of survival? I want my country to be strong

this.

nationalism isn't about having pride, it's about making something to be proud of.

Denotation =/= connotation

Pride has multiple meanings, taking pleasure in ones own accomplishments is only one of them, it can be described also as a commitment to high standards, i.e. Proud to be White means you are white so fucking act like it, and if your race or nation has nothing to be proud of yet you fix that shit in a hurry because history is watching.

Here is v 3.0

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FUCK shills

There is literally nothing wrong with feeling pride. It is a natural emotion that occurs regardless of intelligence. There is nothing wrong with feeling pride that you come from a group of people who have achieved something great. The fallacy is when you think that you are the one that can do something worthy of being proud simply because you are part of that group.

You can be proud that you are white, but for fucks sake do something to earn it.

Not necessarily. We are not all a bunch of screaming chinks who go full frontal assault on something just to meat grinder the other group to death. Reminder that revolutions hardly need 1 in 10 people participating in any capacity to succeed. Numbers do not mean superiority, and a great many movements have succeeded without relying on numbers.

Such as yourself?

Ah yes, the real reason for this shitpost. I'll turn on the sage for you.

Also,

OP IS A FAG

And failfox strikes again.

Politics: Where every other thread is anchored

just like your OP

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radishmag.wordpress.com/2013/12/13/anarcho-tyranny/#liberty-anarchy-bureaucracy

capped

Pretty much this. Libertarianism is a lie - and if achieved a very short lived one at that.

Without accomplishment pride is ultimately pointless. But it can help you get the ball rolling.

Come on Arthur, I expected better from you than a non-sequitur based on a poor understanding of psychology.

A wall of fire is the one true way. Only those who are worthy may pass.

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I'll indulge, but only for the lurkers.

Not having a state sucks. People are simply not ready or mature or civil enough to NOT have a paternal figure monitor everything.
Given that today there are many different races and ethnic groups in the same country, peace would be impossible.

Libertarianism of a sort is the ideal. The problem is there are only certain people who are capable of living with freedom without abusing it and making a mess for everyone else.

You must be both biologically and culturally fit for it to work. That means a level of intelligence that seems beyond the vast majority of non-whites. Even amongst whites Libertarianism has only truly seen any semblance of success under the Anglo-Saxon Protestants, their culture being one of hard-work, grim-determination, fair-play, common law and just in general 'justice'. These things do not actually exist amongst whites today, which is also why Libertarianism cannot currently work.

One of the lesser known sides of Hitler's policiesr was that National Socialism was a transitory phase. He was creating a 'new' youth that was untainted by the filth that his own and previous generations had been infected by. This is what his youth SS was all about. He was getting them 'ready' to create a better world.

If you want Libertarianism again, you will need to prepare the masses for it. That means you're going to have to have a Puritan reformation, or a National Socialist revolution.

No it's not. Fuck off.

It's not like you have to point it out.

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What is liberty?

The absence of obligation.

What is duty?

Obligation.

Libertarianism is the abandonment of the concept of duty.

Duty is the foundation of all morality.

Libertarianism is the abandonment of all morality.

In other words, it is degenerate, in the most literal sense.

Libertarians are autistic liberal, degenerate in the utmost.

Seriously consider suicide.

Libertarianism can only be done in practice on Mars or once every single other race is eliminated from Earth (and all traitor leftists/liberals).

In other words: It's equally retarded as communism

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(((pure coincidence)))

Ron Paul: "Libertarianism is the enemy of all racism"
youtube.com/watch?v=XnPnAJeVuvw (Ron Paul: "Libertarianism is the enemy of all racism")

"Libertarian is the enemy of all racism, because racism is a collectivist idea. Its that, you put people in category, you say "Well blacks belong here, and whites here, and women here", but we don't see people in forms, or, uh, or gays, you don't have rights because you're gays or women or minority, you have rights because you're an individual. So we see people strictly as individuals, and we get these individuals in a natural way, so its exactly opposite of all collectivism, and its absolutely anti-racism, because we don't see it in those terms."

Ron Paul: Immigration not solved by barbed wire, guns
theguardian.com/world/feedarticle/10072567

Ron Paul is Anti-Racist
theguardian.com/world/feedarticle/10072567

Ron Paul: I have always made it clear, and will continue to do so, that my message is based on the rights of all people to be treated equally.
Any type of racism or anti-Semitism is incompatible with my philosophy.
Ludwig von Mises, the great economist whose writing helped inspire my political career, was a Jew who was forced to leave his native Austria to escape the Nazis.

> Therefore, for me to advance anti-Semitism in any way would be a betrayal of my own intellectual heritage.

- Ludwig von Mises, Nation, State, and Economy, page 10

- Ludwig von Mises, Human Action, page 87

- Ludwig von Mises, The Ultimate Foundation of Economic Science, page 81

- Ludwig von Mises, Liberalism, page 139

- Ludwig von Mises, Omnipotent Government, page 263

- Tom Woods, Liberty and Immigration

- Official Libertarian Political Platform, 2004 election cycle

Blood and Iron > Contracts and Weed

Thanks for the fact-bomb, m88!

What you've said there is a distortion. Libertarianism can work when the people are moral, when their sense of duty is found in themselves. Believe it or not this was not that uncommon historically, it is just today that we feel we need the threat of collective violence (law) to force us to be 'dutiful' (conscriptions, drafts, etc).

The end goal of Libertarianism where the people are moral and act as they should without the need for harsh and encompassing laws, and a state to enforce them; is desirable. As mentioned previously though, you will only have a people capable of this if they undergo a radical transformation under something like Puritanism or National Socialism. Even then Libertarianism may not be sustainable beyond a few generations (its hard to say in truth whether one can be prosperous and moral, or whether the rampant degeneracy in the past has been the product of jewish intervention in a culture that has become prosperous already).

Regardless; Libertarianism in and of itself is not immoral or degenerate. It is just that for it to be a 'moral' way of life depends on people being moral in the first place, which they most certainly are not today.

Not really, it plays to human strengths where communism exists in spite of them. The problem is that instinctive human behaviour is not particularly good for society as the masses (especially when untrained by faith or philosophy) are prone to acting selfishly and thus ruining it for everyone else.

Pride is literally that which you have inherited from your ancestors.

Pride is the emotions that you feel when you maintain the great works of your ancestors.

But then again, you don't really belief your definition of the word pride, since you maintain the knowledge and technology that you received from your ancestors, with pride.

Sums up my arguments pretty well. Capped.

Thank you for correcting the record.

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Why do I suspect that you are the same CTR shill as OP?

People are moral as a derivation of the concept of duty.
Libertarianism rejects the concept of duty, and therefore morality.
If the people find duty in themselves, they are not libertarians, and would not seek to espouse a libertarian condition - they would create a state.

Now THIS is a distortion.

States are far more common historically than any sort of lolberg fantasy of the espousal of their ideas, and performed - unquestionably - more effectively.

The end goal of libertarianism is the abolishment of obligation to any other individual which that individual does not willingly accept.

I have no interest in men being free to abandon their duty without consequence, nor in an ideology that urges them to pursue such.

The ideology of libertarianism is the abolishment of non-consensual obligation, and the ideological abandonment of the concept of such non-consensual obligations, and its end result is anarchy as men are told it is righteous to abandon duty, and therefore morality, in favor of liberty, the absence of obligation.

So then, libertarianism's ascenscion is reliant upon principles the ideology itself opposes outright.
A contradiction which cannot be overlooked.

There is no value to its pursuit, and nothing to suggest its 'end goal' will pose any benefit, to anyone but the greedy and the selfish, the autistically liberal, who seek only freedom from obligations they do not feel as though they have consented to shouldering.

You've failed to convince me of this.

In other words: The ideology of libertarianism is contradiction in practice - requirement for a highly-dutiful ideological state to create men desiring to embrace duty, to espouse morality as is derivative from duty, such that you can implement a system wherein duty is abandoned in a systemic sense, the assumption being that individual ascribance to duty, and thus morality, will persist, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Lolbergs are autistic liberals, seeking justification for a life absent of duty, morality, and rife degeneracy; or else, as with Communism, they are mere children.

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Well put, but I still maintain that Libertarianism isn't inherently degenerate or amoral. You must remember that the state is not always right, and being forced by law into being dutiful to the state can compromise being dutiful to your morals.

Take for instance how a loyal Frenchman today would do the will of his state, and remember how the French government just suggested that French people should house immigrants with their families and on their property. Are you suggesting that opposing this state-enforced obligation is a bad thing?

Libertarianism should not be the absence of morality but the 'freedom' to pursue it without the beliefs of others forcing you to adhere to their potentially evil dogma.

Yes Libertarianism is impractical as hell, I'm not really supporting it. I am however demonstrating to the OP and other Libertarians that whilst the ideal state of Libertarianism is desirable; it is only possible after a radical transformation under something like National Socialism or Puritanism, and even then we have no proof that it is sustainable.

He is a good example to were fascism and NatSoc differce. The fascist always have a duty towards the state while the NatSoc always have a duty towards the volk.

But we shouldn't want to put it in practice. Libertarianism is a disgusting hyper-individualist materialist ideology

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to clarify the 1st pic the random lines on the ground represent dead chink children
really symbolic you know? its basically what will happen if capitalism would take place in the west

Because your a lolberg, or Ancap whose assfrustatred?

Im absolutly in love with all these ancap memes

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Libertarianism is the new youtube atheism.

yeah, he said we were an echo chamber! I won't stand for such slanderous non-truth!

Ever noticed how the "not an argument" crowd like OP rarely also give arguments?

This is a one-line proposition that needs further support in the form of a sub-argument (giving justification as to how this claim is synonymous to his OP). So it too is not an argument.

I want him banned because he is a shill and is clogging up our board. If he presented his opinion and thoughts in a respectful manner i would have no problem with him.

It's paleoconservatism, and people are looking towards monarchy these days, user.

As a Nationalist libertarian, fuck you shill.

low quality bait

Anymore of these ancap memes? Fucking hilarious.

My sides, that's fucking glorious. If you have more please dump them.

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3/10 b8

it's retarded as hell, but you got a lot of responses

Topkek. I fucking love these. Have some more.

libertarianism is based on the christcuck fallacy of the lottery of birth.

those who will not fight for their nation do not deserve to live with their nation.

die, worthless cuckold.

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fuck I havent laughed this hard ina long time

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Your shit won't work here.

here's a picture of the rach posting faggot

that's not imkampfy

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fresh one coming in

I also got templates and one that shows the only ancap society worldwide.

You dont even need somalia. Most third world shitholes with tough laws on books are functionally ancap/lolberg, since the state is almost impotent and always kow tow to entrepreneurs, since most of them are entrepreneurs themselves.
Of course, this is dwelling into the real world, again. Anarkiddies and lolbergs wont have that.

Shop was a fucking suicidal nihilist

Funny thing is that somalia is the result of failed socialism

AnCap only works when you have only white people.
Niggers/Jews destroy AnCap from working so until we rid the world of those, white nationalistic fascism is the best option.

[ borders required ]

ancap fails to provide secure borders.
no borders means invaded and destroyed.
game over.

Be far-right now, then you can be libertarian later.

Like it or not, leftists won't allow you to be libertarian because they will conflate you with our type.

people are proud of their countries because they have admiration for that countries ideals and achievements. whether those 2 things are propaganda or not doesnt matter. that is why people have pride in their nation/people. you are implying libertarians should have no admiration or pride for/in people actually living by the same ideals. you are also implying the marxist blank slate theory that all humans are born pure and the genetics of those who birthed you play no role in your life.

Religion provides a solid moral foundation for civilized law and moral law within a populace. A country without such a strong moral compass is prone to degeneracy that ultimately destroys the social fabric of society. Even though it is true that religion is made to control the masses, the masses are far better off with it rather than picking up philosophical/intellectual buzzwords and "creating" their own morality off of that. A state religion is ideal and far more beneficial than mass atheism because you achieve a near universal consensus of a moral code collectively, and individually the average man receives a spiritual guide that will help him through the tough times/major decisions in his life.

Nationalism is designed to unify people under a collective banner to further their interests internationally against those who wish to undermine their standard of living, economic security, and sovereignty for the sake of their own personal/national gain. Attempting to rid nationalism in a world of huge gaps of power, money, and resources is suicide.

Now get off your intellectual high horse, and please understand that even though these concepts may seem oppressive/emasculating to the individual, but they ultimately help your nation, people, and your life.

So what you're saying is, any time your parents tell you they're proud of you, your first thoughts are, "what an idiot"?

Yes, such as
>all are equal before Yahweh "god"

Extreme reform is needed within the church.

I had to acknowledge however, that on such subjects, one of the anti-Semitic papers—Deutsches Volksblatt—acted with more dignity. What got still more on my nerves was the repugnant manner in which the big newspapers cultivated admiration for France.

One really had to feel ashamed of being a German when confronted by those mellifluous hymns of praise for ‘the great cultured nation.’ This wretched Gallomania more often than once made me throw away one of these newspapers belonging to the ‘world press.’

Holla Forums is a lost cause, user. It used to be filled with National Socialists, Regular Socialists, and Libertarians, among others. Now it's all just Trump-loving National Socialists. There is no hope for a reasonable debate here.

I don't see what's wrong with this, are you saying dysgenics are a virtue?

W-When does that ever happen?

Am I the only one who read the title as liberalism?
As a former lolberg, I could make more than a few arguments about why lolbergs are wrong, but your board is so irrelevant that there is no point in wasting my time.

Read the /liberty/ sticky. "You wont be taken seriously". Truly the last bastion of free rational thoughts.

Fuck off then. Why do you subhuman garbage keep coming back if Holla Forums is so shit?

You neglect to mention we've gotten to this point by BTFO lolbergs and gibs me stuff teenage socialists every time they pop in to espouse their short-sighted ideologies. If you look around, it even happened in this very thread! It's become so old hat that only newfags bother trying anymore. The only real competition comes from monarchists and the neo-reactionary crew. It's not our fault that you don't know shit about anything, much less what this board has already trodded to death.

Mostly for news, to be honest. You guys keep me up to date on who's cheating the hardest in the election.

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So you basically are worthless and cant even form a semi organization like Holla Forums to use RSS fucking feed.
How will a lolberturdian society will even function.

Libertarianism can only work in a white, low density population.