Rated PG Parental Guidance for Stirnerites: Ethics != morality.
I'm kind of stuck on an ethical dilemma. I really hate de-ontological ethics and generally prefer virtue ethics, but on the other I have come to the conclusion that certain things are always wrong.
How do we approach socialism from a virtue ethics position?
So? Both are spooks.
Such as?
giving birth
t. Someone who never read Stirner
On what grounds?
I'm not really seeing how.
Read Benatar
Unnecessary happiness is not worth unnecessary pain, in any amount
Your being on this board causes me unnecessary pain, please leave
I'm well aware of the exist/don't exist issue, and I agree as far as that. However, aren't you arguing then from the perspective of the child, rather than the adult? What should it bother me to have created another human, say, in the pursuit of alleviating my own suffering?
REEE WE'RE DISCUSSING PERSONAL ETHICS HERE
Which are subjective to each person. Any contradiction you encounter therefore is personal to your own inconsistent worldview, not inherent to the problem. You made the claim "some things are always wrong". I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from, because you made a largely unfocused assertion without elaborating on the context.
What was the premise of this again? Lack of consent by the birthed?
Thats one lame meme, consent as an apriori condition for all ethical or moral value is absurd. Specially from a materislist POV.
Conception is unethical because it creates the capacity for suffering, or something along those lines.
Its not to do with consent by the birthed, rather due to procreation being unethical.
Its wrong to bring new life into the world since it means inevitably generating more suffering.
Some thing are worth suffering for. Most of the times we actively choose to suffer and other times we refuse to acknoledge the fact that we are able to cease to suffer at will.
The ability to create life itself is proof of meaning and the irrelevance of necessity as overwritten by sheer will. We have the power to choose and to make and modify, we can forgoe pain and pleasute and become fundamentally active principles because our conscience trascends the material from which it is derived. Thus the ability to procreate is the ability to choose and to create more choises and reformulate the essential experience of the universe and its laws.
To thrust someone into life is to release oneself from the inevitable and to change the future. It is to create multiple options at the cost of suffering; options which even include the end of this suffering by many means.
Who are you to decide what is "worth" suffering for?
is basically the rest of what you're saying.
Yes, it is subjective. Hence why you do not get to decide whether to bring someone into the world.
None of you are really answering the OP itself tho
Who are you to decide that "suffering" is the measure of an actions ethicality?
I suffer people like you for the sake of staving off the mundane platitudes and the chitchat of the meatbag NPCs I interact with on a daily basis.
[heavy tipping]
You can't actually be this stupid.
This is what moral subjectivists actually believe.
Read Kant with Sade.
Daily reminder that ethics is shit-tier. Meta-ethics nigga
But also srsly this
This doesn't require deontology. Certain thing can always be wrong purely by nature of their consequences. This does not require some metaphysical law, it is merely contingent on the action always happening to produce bad results.
I can see birth being a form of coercion, as the offspring had no choice in the matter. As for pleasure not being woth suffering, that's just like your opinion man.
Fuck off, black flag. We're all aware of meta-ethics and you're annoying as hell.
You might want to adjust your monitor, that's not a black flag.
What's the difference?
Shut the fuck up and stick to your D grade youtube channel you fag.
All ethics is detatched from reality and formulated by self-serving ruling class ideologies
I would say that ethics is about what is harmful or painful to people on an observable, material basis, and morality is what is right or wrong based on anything, like how I'm immoral for saying "fuck shit nigger dicks" to somebody on the street. it offends their sensibilities, but i'm not belittling them as a human, hurting or impeding them. But even ethics can be subjective and not precisely measured. It's still spooky, but often useful.
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