1.aminoapps.com/ Pro: Each "Community" has their own app, with a reddit/twitter-like news feed and IRC-room-like instant messaging. Con: Already Pozzed. LGBTQ+ and Holla Forums had infested the main app. Hope: We create an open source community tox/gnu-social/diaspora style.
2. Holla Forums, but each board have their own booru, youtube, IRC, github, MEGA and wiki ecosystem. Pro: People can organize image/book dumps more efficeintly. Also, /a/, Holla Forums, Holla Forums, /lit/ and /pdfs/ would be satisfied. Con: Potential spam, Cheeze Pizza and co-opts. Who will moderate it all? Hope: Spam and Cheeze Pizza filter, Issue and file tag tracker, [your solution here].
To stop normalfag and "Interest Groups" from destroying the internet, we must take the upper hand and control normalfags by controlling their venue. 1. Create open source alternative to "Web 2.0 Social Media" 2. By owning their venue, depozz the community that are under our control 3. The rest is history. The sky is the limit. You do the math.
Carson Garcia
It's called the internet, faggot.
Kayden Sanders
But then, why not: 1. Provide a Wiki to each board, so they can rearrange information better. 2. Allow threads that slid away, have their ebook files, videos and images saved up using boorus, youtube and MEGA-like file sharing. 3. Allow IRC channel or tox-likes for fast-pace instant messaging? To streamline different features from different websites to create a unified experience is not easy, but by doing it, is perfection
Jackson Wilson
But then, why not: 1. Provide a Wiki to each board, so they can rearrange information better. 2. Allow threads that slid away, have their ebook files, videos and images saved up using boorus, youtube and MEGA-like file sharing. 3. Allow IRC channel or tox-likes for fast-pace instant messaging? To streamline different features from different websites to create a unified experience is not easy, but by doing it, is perfection
David Campbell
>>>Holla Forums Seriously, as long as the site's moderation team isn't involved who cares?
Colton Harris
I am not from Holla Forums, I just use "pozzed" as a blanket term for anything that's shit. Macfags, Wangblows, Botnet, Proprietary Shits etc. If you can't even handle a word, get >>>/out/ then.
Adam Murphy
emerge nextcloud
Carson Williams
But nextcloud is not browser-based, i.e. slow adaption by normalfags. Is there a browser-based alternative?
Grayson Long
You aren't fooling anyone. This isn't the first thread like this coming from a Holla Forumsack.
I'm telling you to go back to your shitty circlejerk because the main desire you list for a new platform is controlling discussion and creating yet another shitty circlejerk, and various groups trying push their shitty circlejerks is why the internet is shit today.
Alexander King
That defeats the fucking purpose of any sort of "chan", you dumb shit. Archives for "chans" were a mistake.
Juan Gomez
Either make a sound argument or get >>>/out/
Then why do people use imageboards as an infodump? If people do use it for dumping large amount of information, why not just use MEGA? Because getting accounts for cloud storage DEFEATS the purpose of anonymous posting!
As soon as someone is willing to cough up the monthly bills and daily administration costs.
Ayden Taylor
You aren't fooling anyone, and any forced one sided "discussion" on a site for general purpose discussion created to "control people by controlling their venue" will be shit.
Sebastian Lee
Even on Holla Forums it is assumed that Linux and BSD are better than Windows and Mac, government surveillance is bad, and Free-Libre Open Source Software is important. Nobody can escape from political agendas, not even this board.
Kevin Murphy
Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of normies using Gentoo.
Henry White
Just fucking hijack the already existing infrastructure, like we did with twatter. No need for alternatives
Isaiah Morales
Twitter ~> Gab Reddit ~> Voat Halfchan ~> Here Hijacking is useful to a certain point, but when shit goes down, someone better do the backup. Hence, this thread.
Do we have any user who knows PHP?
Logan Ward
Seconded this.
Why not just open source it and let those with enough server space run it?
Ryan Nguyen
Which is why distributed networks are the next step if you're escaping normalfags. Yes, but kill yourself.
Tyler Ward
So what we need: 1. Decentralized network e.g. Zeronet and IPFS 2. Have an imageboard that supports the network 3. Have an archive system for tagged images (booru) and infodumps (wiki) (The reason why booru should exist is to satisfy /a/ and Holla Forums. The reason why Holla Forums exists is because of demmand. See GentoomenWiki for Holla Forums and Metapedia for Holla Forums)
Cameron James
Get your goals straight. Do you want to escape normalfags? In which case there's already loads of solutions. Or do you want to build something which will be adopted by normalfags? In which case HAHAHA, you're fucked.
Carter White
Well in a sense, I want to do both. Basically, create something that has wide adoption in the open network, while having the ability to create a secret network within. Of course we are going the Google "try everything" route, so we combine *booru, *chan, *wiki, pastebin and etherpad into one single architecture to make it look like that we are powerful, thus gaining credibility from normalfags. (there are times when I say "fuck it" and add a PHP equivalent of Tumblr into the architecture to reel in even more normalfags) But in order create a clandestine cell system (and to convert some normalfags), we need to create an "initiation process" to screen and recruit people for organization, propaganda, messaging, offense/defense etc. We need some tools to layer out information (*wiki/archive), plan out events (*chan), put temporary notice (etherpad?/pastebin?) and other things that may help.
Camden James
How do you moderate that crap ? You know groups like isis and the local pizzaria are going to squat your shit if you don't.
Just imagine the work you will have to do. I do not say it is impossible, but for the love of god start with something simple.
And do you want to remake the entire web ? All in one may be a bad idea. Wouldn't split services be a better idea than an all in one?
Your idea fails to sound nice on paper.
What you want to do is insane from the workload, even FB hat kiddie shoes some time ago. Also think how you want to combine everything and if that is absolutely necessary. That's even without the moderation or even the bigger challenge : populating it. Even twitter clones that are easy to use have problems starting.
Who is going to use it ? If user wants a wiki, user uses a wiki. if user want's to be user he goes on a chan. if user want's a blog he makes one. if user wants an archive he knows how to do it. if user ...
I do not see how such a complex system can be made attractive and easy to use, imagine just having to use this and switching from chan, to blog, to wiki ...
You clearly do not belong here. Please go back to your shithole, and stay there.
Asher Anderson
Well if I strip it all down, without all the underground shit. A simple wiki for important info, a pastebin for copypastas, a booru for /a/ and Holla Forums. If we are going full attack mode (if we have a moderate user base): BT/IPFS for decentralization, IRC/Tox for fast-pace communication, Tumblr-esques to attract people.
The surface is easy. Wikis and boorus will be tied to either user IDs or BO/Volunteer accounts. Pastebin can be deleted at a wim. The underground part is going to be partly linked to the surface, but will be decentralized i.e. minimal liability. BT/IPFS is a file protocol and Tox is an IM protocol. And the tumblrites? Just NUKE THEM. Then strip the source code to be more bare-bone. Expand Global Volunteering when you gain userbase. We won't need to have a wiki if Holla Forums already have a feature like that. The FAQ is not enough and Stickies fills up space. The wiki should be an optional feature, but there are times that it is critical (see Metapedia and GentoomenWiki) 8archive.moe went to shit and only recently fixed. And it is not a tagged image archive for /a/ and Holla Forums, so that is not even convenient for them. Webpage archives are easy, but oversized for some users. See above, there are a lot of stuff that are commonly used along side Holla Forums, ghostbin for example is used for auto-destruct messages that some will use. One word. Integration. Getting these different software to look and feel similar, and to make account generation all-in-one takes a lot of work, but it's all just programming. It can be done. If you have to use insults and are not making a point, you don't even deserve to talk about it. The "we are powerful" part is to make a statement about combining features to become satisfying to use, like facebook or google+, not to go full nuclear. Also, you never heard of /cow/ or /baphomet/ ? Going all out is their cup of tea, and I am letting them have it, even if I am neutral to their stuff, all I am doing is providing a platform to let nature bloom if the weather is right for that. You ARE in the "shithole" in a sense, unless you want to isolate yourself from the history of imageboard culture. Excuse my language.
Here it sounds quite complicated, BT/IPFS integration of a chan/user content website is not in todays IT bag. IRC node is easy peasy to run. Tox doesn't need a website/server to run, does it ?
Basically share AAA for Wiki/IRC/ BLOG , and have chan +its archive / booru / pastebin on the same server ? While i could see a file liking between wiki/booru/chan/blog other combinations remain mystery.
Could you extend on such useful links between applications ?
Jaxon Perry
For BT, separate (private?) tracker for a separate server, or allow magnet links. For IPFS, allow browser extensions. We just need people to use web nodes to get access to the system. Web clients would be a great idea, nobody tried. Web clients are important if we want mass adoption. For all three protocols, the important things are: 1. allow web and phone clients to run side by side with PC clients. (ease of use) 2. connect the main clearnet system to the distributes system using hyperlinks 3. Use private trackers if necessary, in that case we need to regulate the system Number Three is optional, since it opens up a few problems about how it needs to be run. If we need one, the problem might be destroying non-liability (immunity) from breaking national laws. IPFS could replace it in the future, while giving us immunity to just have the links up (you can't arrest people for having an ambiguous string). Authentication, Authorization and Accounting? Of course! For images, once an imagedump thread has enough posts and not being deleted/bumplocked, when it slides, all images in that thread gets archived into the booru. To track who uploaded what, user ID will be connected between the image and the user. To add tags, either 1. Allow adding tag to each image in post using either a container file format or using input boxes, or 2. Having a sorting zone in the booru to allow users and/or volunteers to add tags if they choose to. Having a feature to allow linked images and pastebins between booru/chan/blog is relatively easy. Image/Text URL could do the trick. But what the decentralized systems (BT/IPFS) is doing is take in the snapshots of the booru/blog and distribute it to the Internet so that it can't be taken down. And the IRC/Tox web client will pop up for each board/booru/wiki, and people will just use it however they wish.
A few important notes: After finishing the website and ironing out the interface, we should create a phone client as well. It can accelerate user base expansion, and also allow distributed systems that are in the all-one-app to be more resilient.
Joseph Hall
Could you also add in an etherpad-like function for collaborative document writing?
Allow BOs to actually run their own imageboard with their own settings and rules, not a locked down 4chan copypaste zone that doesn't hurt 4cuck's feelings.
If someone wants to require account logins to post, then let them. If someone wants to require a whitelist in order to post, let them. If someone wants a MINIMUM image requirement, let them. If someone wants to forbid text entirely, let them. If someone wants to ban anyone who isn't their IRC friend, let them. If someone wants to give a permanent ban, let them.
Remove and ban all 4chan board names, and all board names with
Chase Miller
I think this is close for now.
Mason Flores
Maybe We should introduce a reviewer system in the Tumblr replacement, so that it shows whether a board is shit or not (according to the reviewer). But it might lead to reddit-tier demo-crap-cy... Between not knowing how a shit board is and blinding obeying some e-celeb's "reviews" the latter sounded easier to solve, while the former is shittier in comparison. >Remove and ban all 4chan board names, and all board names with
Jacob Jackson
Seeing how shows that the Holla Forums software has gone close source, and the maintainer is shit, maybe 8ch.pl source code is better? github.com/Brcanton/infinity
David Hill
Current Dynamics Between Different Components: *chan uses Instant Messaging, Pastebin and Etherpad to send fast information temporarily. (Fast data transfer) *chan has a mechanism that save all images of a thread with certain parameter into *booru.(Image auto-storage) *chan has a mechanism that save all books of as thread with certain parameter into [LibHost] (Book auto-storage) *chan board owners and volunteers will gather info and sort it out in *wiki and [LibHost]. (Wiki/book usage) *chan users can upload images directly to *booru (Direct Image storage) *chan users will have the right to start a Wordpress blog with 128/256-character option. (Tumblr/Twitter Replacement) wordpress blog artworks can be auto-stored directly to *booru (Artwork auto-storage) *booru images and [LibHost] links can be referenced to *cahn, *wiki and wordpress. (Image/file retrieval) *wiki can be referenced to *chan and Wordpress (Wiki retrieval) *chan, *booru, *wiki, Wordpress and [LibHost] snapshots will be saved to IPFS if wanted (IPFS caching) Anything that are referenced from *booru and [LibHost] won't be double-archived (Duplication prevention) All components of this ecosystem shall have a phone app. (Mobile Application)
New component possibility (if we have enough server space): *chan users will have a right to start a [VidHost] with 15/30-second option (Youtube/Vine replacement) [VidHost] will have an add-on to use [Stream] from camera (Periscope replacement) *chan users will be able to share [VidHost] using [Tubes] (Cytube replacement) [Streams] will be automatically stored in [VidHost] once it is finished (Video auto-storage) [VidHost] can be referenced by *chan, *wiki and wordpress. (Video retrieval) [VidHost] snapshots will be saved to IPFS (IPFS caching)
Caleb Gray
replace it with board tags. of course, then you have the problem of board tag moderation. Probably have global moderators moderate tags.
Camden King
i.e. board tag+multiboard+overboard functionality. Also where the fuck is Jeff, that cocksucking faggot. Probably left, I don't blame him.
Jackson White
What about mandatory category tags?
Jace Roberts
Yes, for boards, not for threads. You can't stop users from shitposting, let alone flooding a tag-based index with bogus tags. For boards it's alot easier. There's the whole process of a captcha and making an account to create a board, whereas anonymous posting is preserved, and outsource the moderation of relevant content to the hotpockets who like the category enough to create a board, and the users to choose which they want to browse or put in their multiboard selection. As far as the other ideas in the thread, they're a bit out of scope. But, legacy boards were a mistake.
Kayden Kelly
What about using drupal instead of wordpress?
Charles Green
Go back to reddipol, retard.
Camden Green
Go back to >>>/trs/, retard.
Christopher White
*chan features: - all-in-one dashboard or custom designed dashboard (Overboard/Multiboard) - Mandatory 4+ character name for non-global boards and 1~3 character for global boards - Global Admin > Global Mods > Board Owners > Board Volunteers > Users (User heiarchy) - Mandatory category/description tags moderated by global admin and mods (Board tags) - Imagedump boards/threads direct archive to *booru once reaches certain limit (Image auto-save) - Infodump boards/threads direct archive to *mega once reaches a certain limit (File auto-save) - *wiki, *booru and/or *mega for each board moderated by owners and volunteers - Instant Messaging and Etherpad/Pastebin
wordpress features: - Users can have their own long form blog (Tumblr/Medium/Blogger clone) - Users can have micro-blogs with 128/256/384/512 character limit (Twitter clone)
vidhost features: - Users can have their own channel (Youtube/Vimeo/DailyMotion clone) - Users can have micro-vid with 15/30/15/60 second limit (Vine clone) - Users can stream videos from their phone directly (Periscope clone) - Strams will-be auto-saved into their channel directly (Stream auto-save) - Users can share what they are watching currently (Cytube clone)
Embedding, archive and access features: - *booru, *wiki, *mega, wordpress and vidhost snapshots will be saved to IPFS - *booru, *mega and vidhost can be embedded to *chan, *wiki, wordpress and vidhost - *wiki, wordpress and vidhost can be embedded to *chan and to each other
Andrew Foster
Philosophical Question: Is Archiving a good idea? How do we deal with illegal materials? How do we deal with spam messages? Is it possible to import data from competitor sites? Is it possible to convert them to the Holla Forums mindset i.e. lurking?
Hunter Walker
Completely unnecessary, if you can already use several tools for the same, and if something happens change one without changing the other, why would you unify it all? It's unnecessary. Use many small services with exporting functions for when shit hits the fan. If there's none that pleases you, you can install mediawiki or whatever somewhere and start your own clone, eg, installgentoo.
Kevin Barnes
1. Providing open source alternatives to traditional social media 2. Decentralization of power (i.e. self-hosting content) 3. The ability to drag normalfags into the rabbit hole 4. Being able to create "clandestine cells" in the long run
Ethan Harris
1. Sending bombs from board to board 2. A senate LARPing system for fun 3. Rolling dice for board games (Like Roll20) 4. Imagehash for finding duplicate images
Nicholas Martinez
Stuff like MEGA and other cloud file sharing shit sucks because you have to use bloated ass insecure browser to access files. Or you have to use special client and login, etc. Simple web, ftp, or gopher site is better.
Christian James
So there should be a two-tiered system for people who actually knows ftp/gopher and normalfags (the plan is to convert). FTP + Bloated GUI option should do the trick right?
William Perez
You're out of your autistic mind. normalfags use facebook or snapchat (depending on age). Their bird brains lack a prefrontal cortex, and no amount of lurking can train them in chan thinking. They literally don't computer.
Benjamin Gutierrez
How do we filter the ones who can be saved 1. Whisper campaigns about the "Sekret" (engagement) 2. Propaganda groups doing "loud" action (attraction) 3. Heavy training though "theories"/ARG (recruitment) 4. Holla Forums knowledge transfer i.e. "Red-pill" (the goal) Bonus point: Taming the idiots who heard of it but not "inside", i.e. peripheral shitposting
Aaron Morris
Call me a newfag, but as far as I'm considered the primary point is that it's an anonymous forum. I don't see how losing information is a "purpose".
Noah Lewis
Some people want information to be seen in a short time frame so that it can't be traced, or that it might be spam so it does not waste server space. The problem rises when some people need a "beginners book" to a specific board. See: /g/entoomen library.
Easton Jenkins
only Holla Forums could be so triggered by words. i read on /fur/ or some other board a while ago that you guys were planning to false flag as Holla Forumslacks and try pushing communist memes whenever possible to support your cause.
just because we believe in FOSS doesnt mean were communist sympathizers. so gtfo or enjoy the bantz
Jacob Nelson
Nope
Jace Gomez
Word.
Don't be scared of shitty social media run by jews. Make you day count by creating alternatives.
Kevin Phillips
Holla Forums is not tumblr or any other sort of social justice identity politics crap, nigger.
Julian Allen
But they do act like it sometimes, especially when Bernie lost and Trump won.
Connor Bell
Common tactics to attract normalfags: 1. Provide pay wall circumvention services e.g. torrents 2. Gain interest from girls and beta orbiters e.g. Tumblr, DevinatArt 3. Organizing raids and fun operations e.g. /cow/, /baphomet/ 4. Clickbait news sites to kill boredom e.g. Buzzfeed
Tactics for conversion: 1. "Sekret Club" bouncers 2. Infodump and Red-pills 3. Following Operations
