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You can tell what's in store for Cuba now, I mean he could have helped start up cooperatives only instead of outright permitting any kind of private business,

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Stalin did nothing wrong rite?

I won't pretend that the USSR wasn't an improvement over Tsarist Russia, but calling it socialist is just putting yourself on common ground with bourgeois Cold War propaganda. It was state capitalist - an improvement over feudalism, that's it. Get over it.

Nice projection faggot. I both go to university and have a job, unlike an uneducated NEET like yourself :^)
This is pointless namecalling

About time? You need to be completely fucking blind if you think capitalism will not be a positive force in most remaining Leninist countries.

Socialism will not be built on a poor fucking Island regardless of what measure they take you retard. Stop deluding yourself.

It's quite a thing that Marxists 100 years ago were constantly debating if countries like Russia had the infrastructure necessary for the construction of Socialism and if they shouldn't instead accept bourgeois development in them, but today the level of debate (and knowledge) of Marxism is so low that their solution to even the most miserable, underdeveloped countries is "dude co-ops lmao"

After fidel and raul die then some gorbachave will appear and then all the white captlists cubans who escaped from cuba will go back to get their land back and americans will go there to party and fuck hot cuban chicks and it will be like the commie stuff never happend

This is why they're the ones who need to do it imo. They can put in place mechanisms that will not allow Cuba to become that Godfather part II shit again

If you work 8 hours, or even 12 hours, you owe your right to work that short to the USSR who put international pressure on bourgeois governments, who had to give their workers better wages, shorter work hours and allow women's suffrage or be faced with full scale revolts and protests, and even revolution, all of which was supported materially and ideologically by the USSR. You have shown your ignorance.

all power to the workers

This. It was only a matter of time before Cuba got reabsorbed back into capitalism. There is like, zero hope of it ever becoming an actual socialist state - assuming socialism could even exist with a state, which there's no historical evidence of. Like I said, at this point Cuba is a symbol of the stubborn nostalgia of the Left, and little more. Aside from whatever improvements it brought to Cuba following the revolution, it's entirely irrelevant.

Nothing of value was lost.

Uh huh. Go away Soviet apologist.

fixed. It was bothering me too.

Fuck the anarkiddies celebrating, Cuba was maybe the best attempt at socialism in the 20th century. This is a tragedy.

No serious Marxist would ever put hope on Cuba's future in it keeps on that path.

The revolution was fair and needed, but it has exhausted its potential a long time ago.

this. best medical program in the world, a vaccine that 100% eliminates the chance of HIV being transmitted to a child being born if the mother is infected, provides medical aid to socialist and progressive countries world wide, and the workers have their needs provided for.

We must show solidarity with any socialist government in the world. Even if it must be criticized.

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North Korea?

There are no serious leftists or anarchists on Holla Forums

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In my party there is a man who worked in N.Korea for 4 years as a leatherworker, he is not of korean ethnicity, he is a Serbian gypsy and he was treated fine. He really liked it there, specifically the economy despite the nationalist deviations of north korea, and two years back he moved to north korea as a full citizen. He still comes back to Serbia from time to time however, I saw him a week ago. I talked to him a lot, he is really happy living there. I can get into more detail if somebody wants. It just goes to show how much anti-communist propaganda can demonize a place.

tl;dr it is to be supported, because even though it is an ideological degeneration of marxism it's economic system is still socialist, and that alone means there is a possible future where it will revert back to marxism, as material conditions shape the human consciousness, and the economy determines the material conditions of society.

just because you don't participate in politics doesn't mean other people don't.

Gimme a break. It's pretty much an empirical fact that the majority of Holla Forums doesn't read theory or do anything IRL.

Sadly I'd have to agree with you on that. But I don't realize how so many people can be so class conscious and still not do anything about it. As soon as I became conscious of shit happening, I spent about 6-7 months looking for a party that actually did something about it, and then I joined a party. I am glad I did this, they provided me every book under the sun, from Marx and Engels to Lenin, Stalin, Rosa and Che.

Trust me comrade, look for a party, but I mean look for it, don't join the first one waving a red flag, join the ones doing something about this horrible society. They make a difference.

I think I just puked in my mouth a little

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at least we have pizza, am I right?

This can't be real

I hope the air smells nice up there in your ivory tower

What the fuck are you talking about? The majority of active rebel groups are MLM.

Dumpster diving and going to crust shows is not doing something.

Coops thrive in capitalist economies already, I'm right to point out that allowing any and all kinds of private property is a mistake:

uk.coop/sites/default/files/uploads/attachments/worker_co-op_report.pdf

Anyway if socialism won't work for a poor island, capitalism will? By that logic they should bring back slavery to Haiti because capitalism is doing so well for them there.

Look at Singapore or Taiwan.

And Haiti was a thriving community when the whites were the ruling caste, niggers cannot make socialism or communism work.

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told you this would happen.

We live in a capitalist hegemony, countries that are not in a position to impose economic circumstances onto others may at best hope to accept it on their own terms (as Cuba, unlike Haiti, can) because that's what it takes to attract investment, patterns of trade, favorable deals, etc. The transition towards Socialism is supposed to happen on the countries that are in position to change the global economy. If a century of failed Soviet experiments hasn't convinced you of that, you're hopeless.

This is why the Left needs to stop going OMG YOU GUYS, TRINIDADE AND TOBAGO HAS ELECTED A COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT, IT'S HAPPENING! and start working towards Socialism on the developed world. Stop talking about fucking Cuba or Venezuela or Vietnam, those fantasies were already dumb 50 years ago.

This is really good news, maybe now the Latin american Left will wake up and try to come up with new projects instead of talking about muh doctors all the time

lel. I'm guessing the relative poverty of Cuba insured a relative lack of degeneracy as compared to decadent countries (African AIDS is more due to them being impulsive niggers).

Cuba has one of the lowest AIDS rates in the world, and generally has a higher value of life than the average first world country, but keep being delusional

nah, but when you don't restrict your citizens from getting a higher education based on their paycheck you get much more scientists and you get many more people that genuenly wanted to become doctors or scientists out of idyllic reasons or because they liked the job, and thus you get a working mass of people that actually want to do their job for other reasons than profit.
And by seperating profit from scientific advancement the scientific industry functions much better, since it is not reliant on this profit. Advancement is made for the sake of science, not for the sake of profit.

That wouldn't stop the truth.

As it goes, white and asian can make a prosperous island nation, when niggers can't.

Niggers cannot make one successful country even. Their most successful country is ruled by whites i.e. South Africa.

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And so MLs pissed away any pretense they were going to actually implement socialism.
Once again.

It's simply reality that niggers can't have a successful country.

How is it that someone such as myself living in a porky shithole like America can have a better understanding of socialism than self-declared socialist countries?

Is there anything wrong with ownership of capital if you have no employees?

How can the self employed alienate and exploit themselves?

So what you're saying is that the USSR chose to pressure capitalist governments into useless reformism instead of supporting the revolts they preached?

Thanks USSR for shitting all over socialism.

I really don't know how a Stalinist can mention Stalin and Rosa in the same sentence.

They know what socialism is. The material conditions just aren't conducive for for it. The world's hegemonic superpower lying 90 miles from your shores doesn't bode well for a Revolution that can't defend itself. Especially when that superpower is actively trying to usurp your government.

Because you live in an ivory reading book and have never practiced socialism.

Meant for

Kek

because I understand the material pretense of the German revolution, Rosa was a good marxist, despite her and Lenin disagreeing with eachother. She may have been flawed in her execution of things but as all progressive and marxist movements it is to be shown solidarity.

AHAHAHAHAH sure buddy. Look at all those scientific achievements produced by Cuba.

Also, the vast majority of AIDS is contracted by niggers and faggots, usually niggerfaggots, as it turns out, because men fucking men up the ass sans condom is one of the better ways to spread that shit around.

yes, look at them.

tbo.com/news/politics/cubas-medical-breakthroughs-have-caught-us-attention-20150802/
asbestos.com/news/2016/03/17/cuba-lung-cancer-vaccine-united-states/
huffingtonpost.com/entry/cuba-medical-innovations_us_56ddfacfe4b03a4056799015

It's like I am really in 8th grade.
None of this refutes the fact that Cuba has an astonishingly low rate of AIDS

Among other things Cuba eliminated mother-to-child HIV transmission, developed the leading vaccine to slow cancer growth, and developed a treatment that prevents diabetics from having their feet amputated due to ulcers.

Read something.

The less immigration you have, the less AIDS.

>The results showed that people who had the vaccine lived slightly longer – on average about 4 to 6 months. It also improved people’s quality of life by reducing symptoms such as coughing and breathlessness.

Lel, gj.

Other than the lung vaccine, the second article only mentions one other medical advancement- an experimental treatment for diabetes.

Likewise, that Huffpo (LOL) article you linked to only mentions experimental treatments. Being a leftist, I imagine that you're unfamiliar with how drug companies produce medicine- and suffice to say that quite a few end up rejected as part of the process. The production of a few experimental treatments is not a major accomplishment.

That was the WHO

who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2015/mtct-hiv-cuba/en/

This statement leads me to believe that you don't understand what cancer is

Still experimental.

Granted, even this small amount of accomplishment is more than I expected from Cuba, so well done, I guess.

The less sexual degeneracy, more like. Granted, there is usually a correlation between immigrants and sexual degenerates.

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Private investment, ie economic rent
Lending, ie usury

Huh. I would have thought they'd go for China/NK style "free trade zones" first.

Ah well, they're doomed either way. I just hope they'd help get movements in South America off the ground first.

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How is private investment considered economic rent if you don't have employees?

And how is this any worse than a worker coop investing in capital? Do they not extract "economic rent" too?

You don't invest in capital. You invest with capital.

What did he mean by this?

HOPEFULLY this is only to develope the material conditions in cube to allow proper socialism.

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