POLL TIME

if capitalism ended today, i don't see how wed be able to have the massive change in infrastructure we need without ANY central planing

The communist revolution isn't coming fam; the 7 billion or so people on Earth are fucked. We should focus instead on leaving this shit world to colonize Mars and mine asteroids.

SPACEFARING LIFESTYLISM

so your main gole is to escape capitalism, not end it or fight it?

We should just buy an island an make Libertaria real.

and when the sea rises?

Capitalism will end, and there's nothing no one can do about it. It is inevitable. It is absolutely unsustainable and will likely collapse within our lifetimes as mass unemployment, environmental destruction, automation, and the inevitable revolutions of the third world deprive capitalism of consumers, cheap labor, and a liveable planet. But if it doesn't take the whole planet with it, it'll just be replaced by fascism.

That would be incredibly dank

if we dont have a strong presents to offer an alternative to capitalism it will kill us all, we cant just hide on an island and wait

Underwater bunkers, comrade.

What does this even mean?
Socialism and Communism are both post-capitalist, but Communism is the most ideal one.
By "post-capitalist", do you mean the immediately following mode of production after capitalism, or the best possible one after multiple modes?

That's why we need to leave and colonize Mars ;^)

The best possible one after multiple modes.
Glad you asked.

sometimes i dream about a super technologically advanced group of communist like the comic (the Manhattan protect) or a commie brotherhood of steel

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The state should have a central role, and it almost certainly will anyway as the revolution is likely to be chaotic. Stern centralization is a wartime necessity to defend the interests of the proletariat.

I wouldn't totally discount the possibility of achieving victory through bourgeois institutions but I still see violence being as much the answer today as it was in the last century. I don't like this fact but that won't make it any less true.

There is room for a consumer goods market under communism but anything more would revive private property. Anybody advocating for market relations over the means of production is an enemy of working people everywhere.

You can actually click on the answers when you open the links.

The state will always be a tool used to impose hierarchy and perpetuate the problems of class society, even if not entirely in the capitalist sense. Most of the other functions of the state (such as space programs as was stated earlier) can be undertaken by non-state organizations, with specific projects requiring centralization of resources being agreed upon and supported on a voluntary basis.

Noam Chomsky is a pretty cool guy and wish I was 14.

A state is fine as long as it's not run by humans. I don't really trust humans to run things competently or compassionately.

That's why we have the government until all the workers of reality have been freed, at which point the government is dissolved to create a true utopia.

we need a timer

STATE AND GOVERNMENT ARE NOT THE SAME THING!

The state will be smashed and replaced by the proletarian semi-state, which will fade into a mere economic apparatus (i.e. government)

I hope you all realize the chance of a violent revolution in the west is close to nil

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and how many workers have you educated today?

The poll is a bit misleading in it's simplicity on the matter of revolution.

Most people (minus the accelerationists) tend to advocate for reform as far as reform can go, but recognize the fact that reform does have a limit. The bourg aren't going to hand over the entirety of their power through popular ballot, there will be a point where they refuse to make the concessions they are obligated by their own laws to uphold. Historically that's meant coups happen to rapidly overthrow the progress of reform, or the aforementioned laws are semi-legally rewritten to prevent further alteration. Either way, it is at this crest of reform that either revolution happens, or the reform regresses, thus the goal should be to educate the masses as to the nature of this cycle's failure and prepare them to forcefully take the final steps for themselves.

Revolution is possible in the West, it just needs the full realization of reform's futility to take hold.

Agreed with you, but all polls are simple. The world and mind are much more complicated.

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What legislation did you pass today?

One, so far. I have problems approaching people.

Ha! You can't even imagine anything not based on your social democratic notion of the role of revolutionaries the "enlightened" the educated "progressives" being to bestow their grand knowledge unto the unclean, ignorant masses ("the workers" before they are "educated"): the ideology of the Left (starting with the unproductive middle classes, especially state functionaries) in the imperialist stage of capitalism and the transition from the formal to the real domination of capital.

tl; dr accidentally all the bourgeois suckdem classcuckery
Get on my level, classcuck suckdem

How can you fight capitalism if you can't get almost everyone on the same page that it needs to go? As long as capitalist entities exist, they will generate profit more efficiently (i.e. they will be better at perpetuating themselves) because they don't have to care about the wellbeing of the workers. Socialism cannot beat capitalism in a market (such as with some countries being socialist and some being capitalist, because the capitalist ones will generate more profit and outcompete the socialist ones). If it's not worldwide it will fail, and each time it does, it turns the common perception against it more.

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