Future iGPUs

When AMD first came up with their "Accelerated Processing Unit" and "Heterogeneous System Architecture" I was genuinely exited because on paper its streamlined and elegant.

Now I'm disappointing because in reality AMD is a shitty chip maker and Intel has done a significantly better job at streamlining the architecture and seamlessly integrating GPUs into their CPUs than AMD ever could. Goes to show good concepts can't make you better at designing the most important aspect AMD neglected; the CPU itself.

Laptops are shit for gaming anyway. If you want to play games then you should build gaming desktop computer.

Meanwhile at Intel we have pic related which will be shipping soon. A 72 core chip with 16GB of on die MCDRAM, dual 100gbps omni path NICs, and 6 channel DDR4.

With Knights Landing they now can.

fuck me, meant to reply to OP

Reduced instruction set x86
Half the speed of HBM2
That's like 1/4 the speed an CAPI/OpenCAPI fabric will be
This is the only thing that's kind of impressive

And that is only relevant if Intel can overcome the internal struggles it has over the Phi, the standalone node in your pic and the PCIe card Phi's are developed by separate teams and are fighting each other over what to recommend to HPC customers.

Meanwhile. its still not as power efficient as a GPU for a given amount of compute or as outright powerful as something like an 8 SMT 20 core Power8 (that's 160 simultaneous threads). The only reason why people are buying Phi systems at the moment is because "muh x86".

Yeah but it's still a compromised CPU, board, everything.
People don't care about performance for personal use, they want security and privacy.

If you wana get this autistic you might as well say Atoms are reduced instruction set, or that haswells are because they dont support transaction memory.

entirely dependent on the number of packages, it is 256GB/sec per package. MCDRAM is 400+GB/sec

oh wow, a consortium which was founded a couple months ago and wont have a shipping product for years versus something shipping soon

the new Xeons will have it too.

the PCIes will be the low end and the standalones the highend because omni-path vs a PCIe based interconnect

you're bitching about Phis being reduced instruction set yet bringing up GPUs with far less instructions?

only usefull if the cores stall waiting for data to process

just wait till the phis support virtualization extensions

Also it depends on the type of compute. It wrecks GeForces because nvidia gimps their double precision performance and makes you pay out the ass for Quadro/Tesla cards.

They will definitely replace the low-end purpose-built gaming laptops (such as the GTX 1050 and RX 460 ones). That's a big chunk of the market. The other market these APUs contend with is people who want more graphics but not a dGPU. It will really make the intel offerings look weak.

Yeah, can't wait for one of these to hit the laptop market.

This is demonstrably false. Anyway, there is literally no modern hardware without PSP or IME or other shit like that. Just stick to your old libreboot C2D laptop or the FX lineup.

You're shittalking like a politician and you haven't refuted his points properly. Gratz. All the points you make also depend on some specific conditions, calling that a win for Intel is a bit of a stretch.

Computers will never be secure or private, user. Get over it.

Give me one reason why I should care. My laptop has the intel hd 3000 igpu and it runs almost every good game there is.
I'll pass.

If you don't play vidya you don't have to care, aside from how it will probably increase competition and lower prices. That said, Dwarf Fortress is a great game but it's not "almost every good game there is." You're not going to run any game made in the past decade on decent settings on that iGPU.

user, you may care about security and privacy, but "people" do not give one single shit. The fact that America didn't overthrow it's government immediately after the NSA leaks is proof enough that they do not care and are more than willing to live under 24/7 surveillance. The fact that people willingly install Windows 10 is proof that they don't care about privacy.

Nobody will ever, EVER do anything to fix this because it's a problem with people and people cannot be fixed.

Wrong, a communist Stallmanist revolution would fix this problem.

Just as you pointed out that the other user was falsely talking for "other people" so are you making it seem like this surveillance is a problem to normies when in fact they don't give a shit about the problem nor do they even consider it a problem.

From their perspective there is nothing to fix, except wages.

but AMD is not a chipmaker..?

But I do play games. I just don't play shit games.
Seeing as there are no good games made in the last decade, I don't feel like I'm missing out.

Stallman doesn't like communism so please don't make a strawman argument connecting Stallman to communism.

Why did it all have to go so wrong?

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Um, no. From what I've seen the current APUs can't even compete with my current GTX 560 Ti from 2011 and I'd have to turn down the graphics on the games I play (from 2011 at the latest) quite a bit for it them to run well.

You have autism m8 if you can't comprehend what this thread is about.

maybe in 10 years or so, right now HBM is stupid fucking expensive, and APUs suffer from poor thermal performance on account of having 2 power hungry chips in the same package, resulting in them shipping with lower clocks than they otherwise could. dont get your hopes up lad, theyre good technologies, but theyre a way off being amazing just yet.

let me know when ordinary graphics processors dont piss on the xeon phis performance with cuda and opengl

not all socialisms are the same my man, im no big fan of socialism, but theres a big difference between a democratic socialist and a trotskyist or a cultural marxist.

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anyone know how much it actually costs?

I'll tell you for $1

I have an APU in my laptop. Its not particularly great at anything but considering how cheap it was i'm impressed with what it can do. Being able to play civ 5 on my laptop was a nice treat, and it works great for in home streaming.

Yes, even Lenin had it wrong. If you read Marx, he is merely making philosophic guesses as to what will happen when capitalism keeps exploiting workers. His conclusion was merely that the workers would turn their backs on the established industry and start their own cooperative factories. Not that some guy would get the ruling power and change everything.

I don't get what is so frightening and wrong about that..

My personal conclusion is that we never get to that point before robots take all the jobs and capitalism dies anyway, because no one have an income they can spend on products.

hmmmmmm,., pretty sure Marx predicted, vilent revolution

How? They're already proving useful.

I'm pretty sure Marx wasn't so stupid as to predict that the human race abolished anger, right before the worker revolution.

from a communists perspective, yes. democratic socialism may be a stepping stone for communists, but for democratic socialists the socialism aught to stop there, they see it as the ideal society.

significantly more than GDDR5, or AMD would have added it to all their graphics cards by now, instead of just the fury cards.

marx isnt the only major figure in socialism, socialism was a thing well before marx showed up. hell, him and engels were pretty tight, but marx didnt advocate for the same approach to family life as far as i know.

Nope. Maybe some SocDems, but go to a DSA meeting and you'll find a lot of communists.

Pre-Marxist socialism is pretty much shit though.

of course you will, the communists want democratic socialism too, because it makes them look less dangerous.

its still shit tbh

No thanks.

End this meme and your life.

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Will they make bitcoin mining profitable again?

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There's more to GPU performance than just memory. APUs aren't going to go from being relatively weak to destroying the entiry low end GPU market in a single generation just because they have faster memory.

It's blobbed

Enjoy your open source blobs

Just try your GPU with the linux-libre kernel

The big difference is how gooey the shit is, but it ultimately doesn't matter because all of it is shit that seeks to eliminate individualism, freedom, and human rights for the "good of the many".

i dont disagree, ive yet to read anything on socialism that makes me a fan of it

At least, yours never will. Just because you can't stop a river doesn't mean you shouldn't build a dam.

nice try big nosed friend

The majority never make the changes user, they are catalyzed into a driving force if an idea can be made mainstream (and militant). Change never comes from some kind of "awakening."

As the soldier with the bible in one hand and his weapon in the other fought with the strength of ten under Cromwell, William of Orange and Gustavus Adolphus; so may we fight with the strength of twenty men; GPL license in one hand, keyboard in the other.

All people need is direction and belief. If God didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent him. I have my God, how about you
faggot?

what fucking individualism, freedom, and human rights? 400 years ago maybe, but what's left of the fucking enlightenment in modern consumerist society? we've dragged the bulk of society up out of poverty and servitude but we can't drag them to insight, independence or intelligence.

Holy fuck you're so fucking cringy.

Commies, everybody. They see everybody else as controllable cattle with no sense of self, perfect to indoctrinate and use for their own gain.

here in britain, the majority of the populace i find at at least somewhat liberally inclined, even the average fucking labour voter is in favour of liberal ideals when pressed on it.

tbh i dont think this is going to continue for much longer, the liberal party has been in decline for the last 100 years and now its more or less dead, so something new will likely replace it, and disdain for this kind of politics is growing.