Adolf Hitler interview (1923)

So culture and tradition are idpol? The society you envision sounds more monolithic than the way you perceive nation.al socialism.

Culture? No.
What do you mean by tradition?

Can you describe this society to me?

IdPol is not about Culture per se.
It's about turning Culture, Race, Sex, Gender, and so on, into your fundamental issue of politics.

Both Holla Forums and tumblr/plebbit are full of IdPol, exactly because instead of material conditions, socioeconomics and so on, they focuse only on race, gender and so on.

Traditiion is just old people not wanting to lose the way they know things work.
"We have a parade on day X cause we always had one".
And the top kek is, tradition started, by stopping or changing another tradition. See Christmass.

There is no way "we perceive it". There is only the way it is. And it is the shit Hitler and co. created, to serve the bourgies.

Culture is an extension of personality. Communism is anti-culture. Just look at what the Red Guard did to Chinese culture or what the Red Army did in Russia, it's fucking iconoclasm except it's not replacing it with anything.

Have you ever seen Soviet architecture? It's dreary and dystopian as fuck. Nationa.l socialist Germany's architecture was much more visually appealing and harmonious.

National Socialism has the same level of faggotry in it's art, as Socialist Realism.
Thinking "Hilter was better than Stalin" is BS.

What did it do, except for kicking Nazis out of it?

WUT???

That's your problem, you have no sense of the past, you think you can ignore the past which is why you condemn yourself to repeat if anybody took you seriously. And you disallow people from celebrating Christmas? That sounds like a boring fucking society.

As explained in the OP it was about guaranteeing that the working class was discouraged from tearing society apart because as we have seen from the past, there will always be an upper class. Equality is bullshit, some people will always have more power than others.

WUT???
Have we lost the ability to write, as a species, or something????

WUUUUUUT?
When did we "disallowed" people from celebrating spooks? Sure, it will not be about consuming and so on, but you wanna spook your spook? SPOOK AWAY! The state shouldn't have any saying in it! And even Stalin allowed it!

SEE BEYOND YOUR IDEOLOGY!

Power structures come from scarcity and the need to distribute the shortage of goods.
Remove scarcity… What need is there for power structures?

Except for those in power to keep being in power, AKA nomenclature, that is!!!

The thing is that you can kill every jew and be done with it, but you can't eliminate the existence of an upper-class without the assistance of the next upper-class, i.e. CPSU. Inequality will always exist, but jews can be exterminated.

Ze Joose are unimportant.
Be they alive or dead makes not difference.

The nomenclature has to be prevented.
The state has to wither away.

Now, either read a book and come up with a better self theory, or BACK TO POL!

Wtf are you talking about? No one forces people to celebrate Christmas retard, they do it because it connects them with their ancestors and the values that have been imparted to them. Nothing is more important than tradition, nothing.

SEE BEHIND YOURS, COMMUNISM IS BASED OFF SOMETHING UNATTAINABLE LET ALONE DESIRABLE.

lel

Scarcity will always exist, i.e. Soviet breadlines. You are retarded.

It's not like there is a whole propaganda machine, to provoke sales and consumerism and so on, or anything!!!!

No it does not, nor will it. The state is merely as association of like-minded people. A functioning state is one with common language, values and laws. Why do you think Bakunin criticized Marx? Because the establishment of a state admits it's priority. Look at what Lenin did pre-NEP, actual communism, all planks of the manifesto enacted and guess what? The state went to shit and he had to change everything, probably why he had so many strokes aside from the fact that anybody who tries to implement communism would probably hive themselves brain damage. Communism is fucking stupid, and so is anarchism. It's all utopian bullshit. A total denial of reality.

No it's not, you mongrel. You don't even know it but you are spouting humanist clichés. Culture is society's response to the material conditions it faces and the sedimentation of this process. Society is the established framework of relationships people can interact with each other. There's no individual conceivable outside this framework and its completely ahistorical to think that the individual was first, then came society (through free association or whatever).

You mean Confucianism? Lel, look at what capitalism did to Christianity or Islam!

You mean the soviet avantgarde, the richest, most explosive period of art history is nothing because you learn you art history from 13 year old internet nazis and memes? Intriguing.

More than you did, you probably think that soviet architecture is commieblocks. That's like saying French architecture is frenchyblocks. Rapid housing projects are one thing, exceptional buildings another.

Nothing in the world is harmonious, you are either living a lie or haven't looked close enough.

Again, no one is forced to celebrate Christmas, capitalism exploits tradition just like it exploits edgy faggots like you to undermine the traditional family structure and nationalism for the sake of a globalism. Commies and capitalists are both globalist materialists who would send this world into a dytopian hell, nation.al socialists are trying to stop this.

That image demonstrates a poor understanding of Marxism. Marxism differentiates between private and personal property.

The point he was making is that communism won't force you to stop celebrating Christmas. You don't have to abandon culture or tradition for communism unless it somehow directly contradicts common ownership and worker self-management.

We already produce enough food to feed the whole planet and have homes to house every person. This is all not even taking into account the wasteful products we produce or the fact that so many people waste time with unproductive labor(entire financial sector and large portions of the service sector). We have achieved post-scarcity production without a doubt. Only serious limiting factor is the environment and nonrenewable resources.

The Soviet Union did not ever achieve communism and no leader of the Soviet Union ever made the claim that they did. They never claimed to have achieved post-scarcity production either.

One of the ugliest forms of art ever conceived.

The planks aren't descriptors of communism. The planks were demands to be made of the capitalist state while socialism was still not a realistic goal to achieve. The Soviet Union was described as state-capitalist by Lenin.

Soviets, under Lenin, achieved communism and then realized it didn't work so they relented to state capitalism. Also there is such thing as post-scarcity you fucking retard.

It will never ever be realistic, ever.

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YES! YES YES!
And where did he do actual communism?
IN A COUNTRY THAT STILL HAD FEUDALISM!
And this is why he needed the NEP. But did it work out? NOPE! Why? Cause he didn't take the emerging of the beaurocrats into account, that can be now avoided by algorithms and automations!

Lenin did everything wrong, and this is why he is best grill.

But, ofcourse, your perfect leaders, that did everything right, and fucked up the world know best…

A) Not Socialism is a creation of CAPITALISM to counter SOCIALISM!
B) You have no idea about how Marketing/Propaganda, works, do you? If you don't have a gun pointed at you, noone is forcing you, right? RIIIIIIIIIGHT! There is no such thing as social pressure or anything!

Suprematism and Constructivism are not simple enough for you simpletons to admire, are they?
You prefer "strong blond boys with blue eyes" don't you?

Can you go back to pol now? Thank you.

Globalism is for CEOs and the tools of CEOs. Guess which one you are.

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proofs??

No soviet leader actually said that.

wikipedia →

I'm the one who wishes to abolish CEOs altogether so I guess none?

That looks ugly as fuck and much more simplistic than any art I've ever seen.

So you admit that he tried it and that it failed.

To counter killing people simply because they make more than you. People should be allowed to make as much as they want, but we should also live in a society that gives the poor the opportunity to make money as well. Do you plan on living in a society without money?

Anybody with half a brain knows that isn't going to happen, nor should it. CEOs just need to be kept in check, and corporations need to be broken apart occasionally to encourage competition. No competition means no innovation, i.e. the Space Race.

Please provide a source. Never at ANY point did they claim to have achieved communism. The Soviet Union in no way matched any descriptor of communism. If you had read Marx you would understand that communism is classless, stateless, and operates under a socialist economy. Socialism meaning a democratically planned economy with democratically operated workplaces. You're also completely misusing the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. You should read the wiki article or something. Makes you look like a retard to anyone that took debate class.

So it's either unachievable or doesn't work.

Yes, at least the way pol/ views them

Ofcourse. cause you have no idea about Art!

He tried to go fullcommunism, AKA no markets and so on, but with a populace that didn't even know how to read and write and with every other country against him.

You cannot fail to build a house, if you never had the materials anyway

But don't want to kill Ze Joose for the exact same reason? :^)

I'D BE GLAD!
Money I have. So what? I do not desire money. I desire humanity.

You will never get rid of those things, and the more you try the uglier, emptier and dystopian society will become.

kek

So who will keep in check those who keep in check the CEOs? Isn't competition one of the main reasons why they act the way they do (that is in self interest, opposed to the interest of everyone else)?

proofs????

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All that proves is that Hitler was indeed a socialist, but he was not in any way a Communist. Nazism is socialism for gentiles, Communism is socialism for Jews.

"For the recognition of private property has really harmed Individualism, and obscured it, by confusing a man with what he possesses. It has led Individualism entirely astray. It has made gain not growth its aim. So that man thought that the important thing was to have, and did not know that the important thing is to be. The true perfection of man lies, not in what man has, but in what man is."
-Oscar Wilde

You know it's free to camp at national parks? That's one of the perks of nationalism, which keeps privatization in check.

Sounds like a denial of reality.

That's a matter of the Nazi masturbation fantasy. Jews would still be a problem with or without their strange ability to consolidate capital. We want to kill them for the same reason we want to kill niggers, they aren't us and will colonize our lands if we don't exterminate them. The fact that jews are good at making money and promoting multicult in other nations while promoting ethnic nationalism in their own is espcially annoying though.

when do I get my free yarmulke

Yet you'll still kill millions over something humanity inevitably desires. How ironic.

The soviet union competed with the US to reach outer space, without that competition there would have been no incentive to innovate.

Which is why NASA shut down immediately after the fall of the Soviet Union because the new lack of competition with the USSR meant they were now physically incapable of innovating.

You have zero proof that it works or is achievable.

wut

That was the point I was making.

What exactly do you fail to understand?

The soviet union started space exploration and the US framed of it as a race, tbh. Humanity needs to conquer the stars, there's no profit motive that will bring you that.

nice m8. Too bad I now have to deal with my label being associated with you.

Is that why Hitler privatized that much?

Sounds like, you'll make it sound like whatever you want it to sound like!

Jews controled the money. That is why they were the enemy.
Niggers are to reinforce the IDEOLOGY.
Commies are to NEGATE any RESISTANCE.
And this, kids, is why Nazis are scared middle class faggots.

A) I killed noone (yet).
B) Humanity = Bourgies and people in power. SURE!

This is becoming tedious.
Can't you just go back to pol?

He says, while posting pictures of childrens cartoons

I'm not trying to prove that it is possible. Capitalist didn't worry about proving whether capitalism or liberal democracy would work when toppling the aristocracy. I have good reason to think it is possible, but I can't know anything for sure. I'm not a god.

Good to hear.

So let me get this straight, no national parks under communism?!

fuck, you convinced me, I revert back to embracing private property and muh nation

Yeah, competition isn't inherently bad, it just creates winners and losers and sometimes winners become too big and the nation-state needs to break them into pieces in order to start the process over again. That's what happens with phone companies and what led to cell-phones and iPhones along with the innovation by competing computer companies such as Apple and Microsoft. What's a big issue is when our president fucking bails out corporations instead of splitting them up.

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Communist countries routinely destroyed the environment, and all Communist planets are basically wastelands simply made to harvest resources. It's safe to say that Nazism is the most environmental choice.

wut

Not without nationalism, and you said communism is statelessness right? You are basically giving those ancap/Ayn Rand fuckers power. No one wants to live in an equal society other than the losers and the weak. History is cyclical like that. The weak become strong and the cycle continues.

The point was that the Cold War was proof that self-interest is more motivating lofty notions of equity.

You wouldn't be able to anyways.

No, actually, you don't.

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hasty industrialization destroys in any condition

if it's fueled by the need to prepare to counter the openly imperialist ambitions of Hitler it gets even messier

kek
i've seen it all lads

Posadism confirmed

Mind blowing, I know.

Please fuck off. Fascist tastes in art and architecture is incredibly pretentious and shitty. I was in Italy earlier this month and I saw the Capitol building in Rome, commissioned by Mussolini. It's a fucking eyesore. And to think he paved over the Roman forum to built that piece of shit.

It doesn't even work on a national scale so I don't know where you're going with that one.

pure mysticism

Looks beautiful to me, he definitely saw the glory of Rome in Italy.

It's a complete non sequitur.

No. Only People's Parks.
With augmanted reality games.
For everyone.
Regardless of IdSpook.

The problem is Competition is not about "betterment". It's about "making more than the next guy".

In Greek language there are the words "Synagonism" and "Antagonism".
One is competing with eachother, with a common goal. The other is competing AGAINST eachother, for same goal.

While, in the glorius english language, the concept of Synagonism doesn't even exist.

"People working together for the betterment of mankind? PAH!"

Anyway, this thread should at this point stop, unless we go FullPosadism, for the lolz.

You can't in any way disprove it either.

I actually do. Democratically operated cooperatives have higher productivity than traditional businesses and self-managing communities based on common ownership have existed in various forms since the dawn of man. What we have yet to see is a global fully industrialized example of this.

Read about the Reptilians and their history of enslaving worlds

I'm speaking in practice, where it turns where it occupies into basically a state of massive slave labor, where a tiny minority prospers at the expense of the native population, and all are made to be equally shit. This is Communism in practice.

Hitler loved the environment, he owned several pets and was known to be a vegetarian. Nazism is in itself environmentally friendly because it respects the natural order and the powers of the earth.

Money that was meant for white people.

he also kissed babbies

Here. Stalin's architecture can be as shit.
Can we get on with it now?

USSR disproves it if you consider that to be communism. If you don't consider that to be communism than it's safe to say that what you are talking about is utopian and therefore impossible to begin with.

OOOOOH!
So you want to be cucked by white people oooonly!!!

Now everything makes sense!!!!

Ayy

It's not just shit, the entire thing was meant to be a mockery of the Lighthouse of Alexandria. Basically, a giant middle finger to the pagan traditions of the Russians. In turn, it drew spiritual power from the population and gave it to the reigning Jews.

source?

It's about both, you beat the guy next to you by making a better product and you inadvertently better the thing that people want. That's the invisible hand in a nutshell.

I give up.
The cancer has won.

Plz Stahp.

I can see that.

Look at its shape and compare it to the Lighthouse of Alexandria, and then note the deep lack of spirituality and racial awareness among the Russian people thanks to centuries of Communist propaganda. Not to mention people who have gone near that tower have reported feeling physically drained.

You aren't being cucked because someone else is prospering.

Reality is hard to handle, isn't it?

k thx

No communist, including those that formed and ruled the USSR, ever claimed or considered it to have communism. You have no basis to claim communism is utopian. You're not making any rational arguments. Just throwing insults and claiming anything you don't like is impossible without providing any evidence or reasoning. Maybe this type of argument works in your torture chamber, but here you have to make well reasoned arguments.

citation needed

Hey Satan-chan. I'm still down to fuck. Maybe you can convert me to the ways of Satan. :3

The fact that it has never existed despite multiple attempts to do so.

That's someone else. Though I find it cute you're handing out nicknames and then unable to differentiate between people because there aren't any fucking thread IDs.

staging.community-wealth.org/sites/clone.community-wealth.org/files/downloads/paper-kramer.pdf

Would you agree that a corporation is a group of people cooperating to make money?

No.

No.

It's a capitalist (or more often these days, a group of capitalists) getting other people to make them money.

no

Why not?

That's what I said, a group of people who get together, as in cooperate with each other, to make money. I think I just triggered leftypol or something

Why not?

So you're saying we should never attempt something new because it has never existed?

The only serious large scale attempt to move toward it was the Soviet Union and that revolution failed due to lack of industrial development and failure of the revolution to spread across Europe. So the basic prerequisites listed by Marx weren't even there. This is, of course, ignoring the fact that they weren't trying to build communism yet. They only tried to lay the foundation for socialism, a prerequisite for communism, while industrializing under a state-capitalist economic model. So I don't think you can argue they tried communism. They actually abandoned even building socialism after Lenin died in favor of maintaining a state-capitalist nation-state.

By the same token a group of people can "cooperate" to own and manage slaves to make money.

It doesn't matter if the capitalist comes in the form of a singular person or a group of people, the point is that corporations aren't established for the mutual benefit of all involved, they're established to benefit the capitalist.

kek CUCK!

We should only attempt something if it's realistic, so we don't set ourselves up for disappointment, and you know, end up killing millions of people. That said there is nothing even desirable about economic equality, that's just forcing people into a state of mediocrity because you're jealous that some people are better at making money.

Jews should be exterminated simply because they aren't white. I don't think we should kill them for doing what white people should be doing, i.e. manipulating anybody who isn't them.

Sure. I have no problem with enslaving other people, given that there is a way to exterminate them in case they revolt.

And how is that nothing?

What about south europa?

You planning to colonize everyone with purebloods?

Can we bumplock this thread?

Yes they are. Workers get paid, no one forces you to have a job. You can live off the grid and no one will stop you.

what is hunger and homelessness then?

I have no interest in interbreeding with inferiors. They need to die.

I'm just arguing with you, you can't handle disagreement can you?

Again, you can live off the grid and grow your own food, or not be a lazy fuck and work hard, get a promotion and be a productive member of society. Communism is for the lazy and the jealous.

Yes, I never said mating with others.
Oh well… Never learned anything from history….

How about South Europa though? Am I white?
Are Japanese white? Their skin is…

humans are social animals

you expect us to believe that the forced choice between wage slavery, hunger, or exile isn't violence against people

I wouldn't call what you are doing here arguing.

If anything is to be learned from history it's that you can't colonize without exterminating the indigenous population. The Romans knew this in their handling of Carthage, even then they should have killed the women and children as well. If we're going to be realistic, I'm not suggesting needless cruelty god forbid.

Sure. Greco-roman civilization was fucking awesome.

Obviously not, they're asian. Race goes deeper than skin believe it or not, it's genetic.

here we go

B-but… I thought Greeks have been mixed and are inferior race…

Go check your race list again!
Get your Nazism right!

Explain to me, then, what is "White"?
Break down for me the genetic components that you define as "white".

All choices include avoiding one thing and doing another. No one is free to do whatever, nor does that make any sense. Calling working wage slavery is a bit insulting to the working class who pride themselves on their hard work. Hunger is a fact of reality, as is scarcity, something addressed previously in the thread. Also exile really isn't that bad if you don't want to be a productive member of society, but as you said we are social animals, I don't know why you would be anti-social like that.

Evolutionary theory and DNA are pseudo-science

wew lad

They were pretty awesome before they were Christianized and then enslaved by Ottomans. I suppose you've got a point. Still, they revolted in the 1800s and they now have golden dawn which is something. Golden dawn can be nigger-ish sometimes, not as nigger-ish as the anarchists though.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b

Generally speaking it's being of European descent. You understand it on an unconscious level, just like you understand the difference between men and women. No need to be deliberately obscure.

*1821 and Golden Dawn is filled with mixed niggers.

Tell me why Kassidiaris is not as niggerish as your average Turk?

Also, Golden Dawn is now irrelevant. We made it so.

Point well taken.

No, it's definitely relevant and maintains a presence. I hope they gain more power and kick out the mudslimes who are coming in and shitting things up in an already fucked up country.

Pretty shitty tactic to depoliticize the issue at hand. These choices are offered by the current configuration of society. We had different "choices" under feudalism, slavery, and capitalism, and will have different ones under communism.

That's why nobody says ITT that we should be allowed to whatever.

If you'd actually know a thing or two about the history of the working class you'd realize that their "pride" is in fighting for better conditions, less hours, abolition of child labor, better wages, in short: advancing the class struggle. Nobody likes to work, especially for wages, especially under alienated conditions, especially if the fruits of your labor are taken from you. Only a fucking slave owner would sing eulogies of the shit conditions people are in.

Social reality, that is. Around 40% of the food is wasted in Western societies, due to how the market works: we create commodities not for human needs, but for abstracted reasons. We'd be able to feed the whole world by now if we had a different economic system.

Saying "post-scarcity will never be reached, faggot" isn't exactly addressing it, ya mang. Also, you don't understand post-scarcity, among many things ITT.

Yes it is. The fact that we have millions of homeless people shows something about "human nature": that we are social animals. We much prefer company (even under degrading conditions) to exile (under somewhat better conditions).

Right, like people who inherited wealth, never worked a single day, bankers, like those Hitler relied on, aristocrats, like those supporting Hitler.

The Cold War was Soviet state capitalism vs Western liberal capitalism.

Self-interest will be alive and well under socialism. In fact, self-sacrificing servility is a much more important aspect of capitalism than it is of socialism.

this, for the love of god

"Employers" don't create jobs. Jobs are "created" in relation to the demand for the good or service that job produces. "Employers" limit employment, because all new employment has to be to their benefit.

And don't act like getting a job is some kind of voluntary act unless you can show that people can opt out of needing to eat or have a roof over their heads.

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A E S T H E T I C

Yeah, and much, much more, you small minded slave.

Not until you read about the success of Communism on the Brain Banks of the Dark Side of the Moon. Why do you think the Americans wanted to destroy the Moon back in the fifties?

Yeah, because I remember that time that the Soviets killed all of the engineers off for earning higher wages…

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Yes, and the monarchy of France lives on to this day, right ? ;^)

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No, but you don't understand its national S0CI@LISM! :^)

Which translates to in Hitlereese: "I don't give a fuck, call us whatever, we just want to invade the world and kill jooz"

(nice purge, ITT)