The United States is too politically polarized to have a genuine leftist movement...

I think addressing them would honestly be futile. The people here are so far right and suspicious of government that they will vote against their own best interest. For example, Mississippi, the most unhealthy state in the country, turned down free healthcare subsidies from the federal government for Obamacare just to stick it to the left.

Not true. I'm from Alabama and there is plenty of room for leftist thought amongst the youth. Particularly around Birmingham and other urban centers.

Agreed. There's a lot of radical potential among young southerners (I know a ton of communists and anarchists in Atlanta at least, have heard of similar things in Nashville and New Orleans for sure), though to what extent old southerners are lost causes is debatable.

Was that a referendum vote? I thought that was state leaders turning it down, not like actual people voting no. Regardless, right populism is infinitely more potentially radicalized than self-satisfied removed urbane liberalism.

At this point I'm so fucking screwed over, I'll accept this. I know socdem offers only temporary solutions.

*left-socdem that is, like 20th century socdems, not like the socdem parties atm

No, but I guarantee that the citizens would have voted against it simply because Obama's name was tied to it.

Not necessarily. Mississippi has a sizeable poor black population (40 percent) that is growing, and they as a rule vote democrat. Obama got 45 percent of the vote in Mississippi in 2012.

Also when people who actually rely on Medicare are faced with the fact it might not be around anymore and they're fucked without it they tend to change their tune regardless of party affiliation.

Thats why we throw them in prison and make it impossibly hard to vote

Polarization is actually not a terrible thing as has said: it removes centrists from play.

It's true that we're not likely to see a genuine leftist movement participating in mainstream politics anytime soon, but that too is not itself terrible. It means that any movement that is to come of the left here in the US must exist among the communities themselves rather than through the proxy of fraudulent electoral politics. The fact that people are rapidly beginning to realize that this electoral system is failing to even pretend to serve the public interest will likely lead to the expansion of this extra-governmental political organization.

The problem with the United States is that it's a multicultural society which leads to a conflict ideas. First thing we need is all races of people to go back to their respective continents.

So all the white people will be going back to Europe?

Yes
As a white American I regret that my ancestors came to this country through Ellis Island
I would gladly return to my fatherland someday

Please stay where you are, we don't want you.

While the thought of making the western hemisphere one big nature reserve is appealing, I'm pretty sure it is impossible at this point.

Trust me, your "fatherland" doesn't want you. You're not one of them, not by blood or upbringing. Your an American and will be treated as such: your "ancestry" means nothing to them, and they will laugh at you if you try and assert otherwise.

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We don't want any burgerfats here, especially the "muh heritage" ones, sorry.

You'd rather be cucked by Syrian "refugees"?

Are you telling me that your only problem with rape is that someone other than you is fucking?

I am against both the "refugees" raping (which is probably the majority of sex they have) and having consensual sex with white women.

Unpopular opinion: All Sex is Rape.

Then you will likely get the reactionary old folk and middle aged people creating a right wing backlash against "leftist corruption of the youth" or "Commies brainwashing kids".

ftfy.

I think that Bernie Sanders have shown that if we're to have any kind of revolution centered around worker's self-determination and self-management, it's most likely going to come from rural workers, who already have a lot of anti-authoritarian sentiments.

NC here, no one respects degenerate leftists anywhere in the south, thank god. You will all die soon enough.

Niggers vote democrat for welfare.

This. I hope we get a movement going to forcibly deport nigger to Africa, they lower our IQ and increase our crime rate to ridiculous levels. If they don't go then we will holocaust the fuck out of them, southern style.

Amen, then we won't have to exterminate commies fags, as they'll just cower back into the shadows of insecurity.

Chances are you are a wop then. Please go back to wopland please.

Actually there are laws in Europe that allow for reentry of people with ethnic background who can provide proof. Chances are that the national bolshevik fag is a wop, and wops will always welcome their own kind. Little Italy is proof that people don't forget their origins. Anti-racist faggot, what's your ethnicity? Too ashamed to care?

You'd rather be cucked by semites instead. You don't even deserve europe, might as well call it a caliphate.

BTFO

You have no self-respect.

Spics and commies too.

Southern working class have no respect for your ideals faggot.

But wasn't the South once of the most class-conscious parts of your country? They were ready to pick up arms and everything.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_Creek–Cabin_Creek_strike_of_1912
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Matewan

Either way, I think a socialist movement can start in the US as long as socialist movements up there stop looking a "radical wing" of the Democrats.

If you mean nationa.l socialism then yes. Otherwise we have no tolerance for your divisive bullshit.

WHITE POWER

Little Italy is more a result of a historical discrimination against Italians and other Southern/Eastern europeans during the late 19th and early 20th century that essentially force those groups into concentrated ghetto-like conditions. Once those communities became established and the discrimination largely let up, there was the realization that the "foreign" nature of the community was highly marketable, so it was maintained by what usually is a minority of the original Italian-American population. I grew up with a lot of Italians: a lot of their clinging to family name and such is for marketability purposes. Certain professions had become dominated by the Italians, thus highlighting the Italian-ness became subtly synonymous with "expert" in said areas.
The same sort of historical discrimination led to the large-scale Italian participation in the mob even to this day, though the persistence of this is for different reasons. The Mob was something of an import from Italy, and gained high numbers in the US because often the immigrant Italian communities didn't have that many other prospects. Things like the Mob persist as an ethnic organization not because of marketability per-say (though I'm sure there's a little bit of that in play), but rather the fact that the grooming process to become a made man often started young. Often this was young enough that the individual might not be fully aware of the implications and consequences of group initiation, though once they were in, there was really no leaving. It's something of a cycle in that regard, where one has to adapt to the organization once they're in, whether they like it or not. Hell virtually every Italian family in my hometown had some sort of connection to or participating members in the Mob up until about 20-30 years ago, and many have not forgotten about it.
It has less to do with "forgetting" origins, and more to do with "how can those origins be utilized for petty gains within the capitalist framework."

All of my grandparents either came from Germany (though young at the time) or were children of German immigrants. They (or moreso their parents) left for the US each for different reasons: one because the Weimar economy was shit, one because trade unionists were getting rounded up and shot, one on the advice of their local Church due to rising anti-Catholic sentiments, and one because the postwar economy was shit. I'm not exactly eager to "return" there anytime soon. I don't know the language, don't know a good deal of the customs, and only have an outsider's knowledge as to their history. In terms of general understanding of national identity, I'm nothing more than another Americlap.

You're just like your ancestors then. You're no American, you're just a sack of vibrating meat. Whine on then, you will die in ignominy like you deserve.

I'm sorry, did I trigger you? Are you jealous that your filthy mutthood can't possibly compare to my pure Germanic blood? Does it hurt you to know that you wouldn't have a proper homeland to go back to even if you wanted to? How does it feel to know that your white bretheren in Europe would spit on you were you to try and fit in?

I'd say go back to Holla Forums, but you've already proven yourself too much of a cuck even for there. Go crawl in an oven, you'll help the camps save on gas money down the line when they're weeding out the inbred retards from the genepool.

So you're proud of being a German, even though real Germans kicked you the fuck out? lol

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History and facts will teach you that equality is bullshit, and that there will always be more than one class. Do you even politics?

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wew bud

To protect private property artificially and thus make sure that there are classes.
However, the paleolithic age proves that there will not always be classes, which was your fucking claim.

This. I live in North Carolina, and aside from a few Holla Forums faux fascists, everyone I know is very much to the left. Hell, my entire family (save for a couple of cousins who went into the Army) actively wants to seize the means of production.

Bumfuck Georgia reporting in.

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B-Black Lips, is that y-you?

just fuck off already Holla Forums faggots

All the young white workers where I live in Alabama love Bernie.

Yeah, I'm seeing a similar trend with support among young white for workers in North Alabama. People think the South and Alabama are really different than the rest of the country, but I've been all over and there's an Alabama in every state lol

People also think that the Southern white working class is only attracted to Bernie because of economic reasons, but many young workers and increasingly middle aged workers, are surprisingly liberal or left-leaning.

This is unrelated but comrade, what do you think about the communist party of Alabama and the Black Nation thesis?

Don't really care for the Communist Party of Alabama. I think the idea of self-determination/secession for black southerners is silly. Maybe the idea made more sense a century ago, but, being a left communist, I can't really agree with the idea in any context.

Is it still around? I was under the impression it died out post-WWII.

I'm open to this, I think there's a problem with the black nation, chicano nation, native nation, asian nation line because it doesn't recognize how culturally similar these different groups are becoming to the dominant "white" nation. If we're being honest their all dependent on imperialism for their livelihoods. Maybe I have a lack of complexity here but I don't know if an oppressed nation that has an interest in oppressing other nations is really that.

On the other-hand, I think black nationalism would be less likely to derail the movement then just embracing multiculturalism or saying there are no differences.

If we could gain the support of poor black southerner's we'd probably be one of the strongest bastions of the Left in the nation. The conditions are right as the nation's second poorest and probably most corrupt state.

If a socialist ever does come to power in America, he will undoubtedly be a Southerner.

It's dead. CPUSA is still alive somehow.

End my life fam.

Who the fuck would join CPUSA?

Most of the poor areas in the South are actually pretty left. The wealthy areas are more conservative though.

Any southern comrades read Joe Bageant's challenging work on the white working class Deer Hunting With Jesus?

bookzz.org/book/1108066/400af6

People new to the left I guess. Apparently they had a split not too long ago.

fuck off pol