What makes something edgy?

Edgy is basically the story trying to be "dark" or being the "tough guy". Thats pretty much it. When something tries too hard to be dark to a point of silliness, thats how you can spot edgy.

Punisher killing gangsters isnt edgy by itself. A story where a gangster digs up the corpses of his family and pisses on them, thats edgy. Characters like Reaper in Overwatch are edgy because he only says "dark things" about pain, misery, shadows and death on every occasion.

TL;DR: Edgy is trying too hard to be hip, dark and cool. An example of edgy:

good point. Though could this also be applied with teenagers who try to be edgy to make up for the lack of depth in any of their characters?

I think edgy is one of those terms that doesn;t really have a solid definition anymore (if it ever did).
To me, edgy means violent, gory, depressing and nihilistic for no particular reason.

That's not to say it always turns out fucking terrible (I loved Punisher MAX), but generally I think it's the kind of dark and gritty comic that is so full of itself that it just winds up coming off as tryhard.

Suck a dick, Joss.

But Punisher IS considered edgy, I never saw anyone say otherwise.

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Why? Outside of the use of guns by Frank, they are essentially the same fucking character.

I remember when Batman used to have a personality that wasn't just "GRIM AND ANGER".

Fucking lol

I like where they have Batman right now, not too moody or dark, but not quite as light as that.

What fucking comics are you reading?

The current rebirth batman isn't too dark or moody.

New 52 Batman wasn't either, though certain characters were.

To me the edgiest comic I read was Gath Ennis' The Boys. I've never read something so goddamn try hard in my life, every character was an amoral asshole to the point where nothing anybody did shocked me anymore.

Like I get it Ennis hates superheroes and wanted to vent out his frustrations while working on various superhero books over the years but goddamn is this thing just a goddamn chore to read through, plus he was so sure that this was gonna be made into a movie at one point that he made one of the main characters look like Simon Pegg.

Just a terrible comic series all around.

Punisher 2099 was good though purely because it went all in with its edge.

it was shitty revenge porn against the superhero genre written by some britcuck who worships the usa and never wrote anything good in the first place.

You know what could counter the edginess that infest the comic industry? a comic about wacky villains disposing the edgy villains because they are fucking with their amusement. But of course we won't get a comic series about Megaminds and early Jokers against modern Jokers or shit written by hack writers who hate the superhero comics to begin with.

Did he take issue with the industry, people within the industry, or the very idea of superheroes?

The very idea of superheroes.

So I guess he was frustrated about having to write for them when he hated them? It's understandable I guess, but from what I've seen of The Boys, he should have posted it on livejournal where it belongs (and he doesn't have to use gener-o substitutes) or something and kept his published work free of what is basically revenge porn.

Even cows love Dick.

Pretty sure that one qualifies as "just fucking retarded" before anything else.

The irony is Pegg hates superhero movies and I think he was approached to be in The Boys tv series/movie/whatever but turned it down.

I can see you were in the first thread from the first two, but the third one eludes me. What's that from?

I remember it wasn't main 616 canon but, who wrote it?

Pegg made a good Johnny Alpha in the Strontium Dog radio play.

Bomb queen
Pretty sure the writer is a nig

A desire to be" mature", which by its nature
implies an immature mindset. You don't desire to be something you are not.

Something which is over the top intentionally isn't edgy, like Warhammer 40k.

Something which is realistically dark or disturbing often doesn't dwell on the fact that it is dark or disturbing because it simply takes it as a matter of course and sees nothing unusual or unique in it.

I'd say Supergod is the very epitome of edgy dumb shit. It's self described pessimism about human nature is only disturbing to a humanist liberal and is itself not even "pessimistic" as the reality which liberals don't want to face.

It positives that religious experience and awe stem from selection of traits for altruism. Which is non-sense. The liberal doesn't want to admit that human altruism and murder are two sides of the same coin. Though unlike what retarded TV nature documentaries say animals often do injure unto death or outright skill others during mating contests or territorial disputes they don't do it with extreme frequency when compared to humans. But only because they don't have a social structure it which they are cared for and even lauded if injured while engaging in socially proscribed behavior. War and the murder of other ranking members of a community often confer's high status. And as for religion it is more about natalism than altruism and to a sensualist or emotionalist like most liberals the idea of faith and religious sentiment being cold and brutal like it is for most of the remaining religious whites is horrifying because their appeals to emotion don't move those people. Haidt(a liberal jew) talks about this and about how limited a liberal's mindset is, their inability to understand a rightist viewpoint as anything other than a strawman. An "edgy" narrative is to my knowledge always created by a liberal who fundamentally doesn't understand war, violence, heartlessness, and cruelty as the useful tools that they are and cannot or will not attempt to view the brutal side of life as a something inevitable or mundane. Hence strangely enough they fetishize it into something edgy.

This comes back to what I mentioned about emotional maturity because dissections have revealed that those who hold leftist viewpoints have a more neotenous brain than those who hold rightist viewpoints.

They don't understand violence as a means and so cannot portray it and add all sorts of ancillary motivations and behaviors to character whom commit wanton violence in an attempt to put it into sensualist terms they understand. Either true some form of hamfisted social commentary or by making the characters motivations extremely aberrant.

Or at least that is my hypothesis.

But violence as a mundane norm can also be edgy.

Not by itself. If you were to make a story about a hunter-gatherer tribe in the paleolithic, it would have plenty of violence. But it can easily be done without fixating on it. It would only be edgy if you had detailed panels of gore and internal monologues or narration describing how messy was every kill.

Hmm, I guess you're right, I mistakenly associated "mundane" with "prolific". If you use a large quantity of violence to demonstrate how callous your world is, that's where you creep into edgy territory.

Then a documentary about life in Detroit or Somalia is edgy by your definition.

Huh.

I asked what makes a story edgy and I get some Holla Forumsack going "Hur de derr liberals are dumb!"

I love this stupid website.

A man kills my wife. I kill that man in an act of revenge.

That is not edgy.

A man kills my wi- prostitute lover. I in return ki- hunt down his children and tie them to my body wearing them like human armor and suicide bomb him while flipping him off.

That's edgy.

It's the idea of shock being used instead of substance.

Garth fucking Enis.

Ennis didn't have anything to do with this run of MAX
It was Jason Aaron and Steve Dillon

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Garth Ennis being a supreme edgelord is a Reddit-tier meme borne of dumb hyperbole, especially in a world where Mark FUCKING Millar exists and makes comics and gets movie deals.

No, that's actually fucking awesome and funny.

he's a christian-hating usa-worshipping britcuck though

I don't know, bEnnis was pretty edgy in the Boys

Why does Ennis has such a hate-boner for superheroes ?
That's something I never understood

I don't understand why Holla Forums has such a hate boner for Ennis.
People keep making nonsensical accusations like but nobody ever provides a citation.

For example: archive.is/1GNv1

This is why Garth Ennis hates most superheros. I honestly think his criticisms are pretty fair.

oh man why ennis must be so gay, i bet he wrote this post the fucking cucking edgelord

Miracleman, is a fictional superhero in comics published by Marvel Comics. Marvelman was originally a UK substitute for American Captain Marvel, the series ran until 1963. He was revived in 1982 in a dark, post-modern reboot by writer Alan Moore, with later contributions by Neil Gaiman.

That's the free spot at the center of the bingo board.

Non-fiction

I agree about "The stories can’t end, so they’ll never mean anything," it's why I feel manga made such waves. The rest of his points are hipster bullshit. His rebellious PoMo wouldn't even exist if there wasn't a status quo to rebel against. His ilk are parasites. I think the market should be open to both merchandise/nostalgia driven legacy characters and meaningful stories that end. But Ennis wants to act like only meaningful works of art merit existence.

Yeah, he's not edgy enough to be indie, but he still wants that sweet superhero money, so he writes superhero stories that insult the reader.

IDW and Marvel's new shit is annoyingly edgy. Like its trying to be edgy and "revolutionary" but isn't really edgy but its attempts to be are more irksome than actually being edgy.