This shit is ridiculous - literally

Why would liberal news be filled with stories about how capitalism isn't working?

Given that 19% of the U.S. population is disabled and only 0.3% of the U.S. population is transgendered, I'd like to see making public restrooms more accessible for disabled persons take precedence. But that's just me.

It's simple. Draw attention away from the actual issues (crime, poverty, corruption) by creating artificial BS like this. Solve problem, get respect and the plebs keep on questioning nothing.

Trump is about to become president and liberals are worried about who gets to shit where. Oh boy.

Nothing wrong with making peoples lives a little easier and making people feel a little more accepted. Yes it's not THE most important issue right now. But no one is making out that it is.

The good Jacobin articles are made by the core writer base. The shit ones are submitted by liberals

Why do we even have segregated bathrooms to begin with?

Pretty sure this video covers it.
youtube.com/watch?v=HJaNLJ78MSQ

That's not how you quote on imageboards my reddit friend

Never underestimate Americans and their spooks

YES, And once we've done away with all those pesky spooks the people will be finally free and enjoy fulfilling lives sharing X593-Dope™ with their I-lover™

Rape. Also all girls I know complain about me pissing the the toilet bowl when we share bathrooms.

Jacobin is a filthy idpol rag so it is to be expected.

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Women demand it.

So what?

Do you honestly want some ancient elephant seal of a woman leering at your cock while lifting her apron of blubber to reveal her centipede infested pissflaps?

He was answering a question. What do you mean so what?

I'm not sure how that's any different from the fatass rednecks and pedophiles of my own sex.

Public restrooms are fucking disgusting, period. Gender will not change this

what's the point of this?
when you could easily use

Idpol in action.

I mean why should it matter if people demand something that's impractical and serves no real purpose?

Sick trips fam. It shouldn't matter but obviously someone felt the needed to pander to them.

The other day I went to a coffee shop's toilet, in Greece.
There was an old man before me and the toilet doors both had cupcake sings with men and women written on them.
The man asked me which one is for men. I directed him to the one for men.

Are the semantics that important?
Don't we all just go to the one that we expect not to be critisized about?
Isn't it, in the end, all about alienation?

Why don't we want the critisims? Cause that would force us to have human contact. Conflict even. But that is no good for Capitalism. Conflict is bad, no? There has to be no strugle… we are all consumers, right?

IT'S PURE IDEOLOGY!

Hint: Just stop using sings on the toilets. Create a cultural shock and force the people to deal with it.

Having read enough to be a good nomenclature like Rebel does not make you a good marxist, anarkid, or leftist in general.
This require the ability to think for yourself.

What the Jacobin does is the most perverted entryism.
It tries to attract liberals and then pass serious stuff allong with the IdPol. As always, this has the opposite effect. Not only does it alienate thecore audience but it also corrupts the "movement" itself.

tl;dr Jacobin is shit. It doesn't matter if it's better than other shit. It's still shit.

But there is a point to it though

Gender is just a fucking identity. To have toilets for men and for women is like having toilets for gays and straights, for blacks and whites ect.

Why can't we just have a single bathroom where everyone can shit and piss?

I wouldn't be surprised if Holla Forumsyps supported race-separated bathrooms for "health" reasons.

someone should start a thread on that. Could render banter and butthurt.

It's really only there to prevent people from seeing that the whole bill is about preventing cities here from raising the minimum wage. I live here in NC, and Charlotte was on the verge of raising it to 15 bucks an hour when suddenly this bill comes along and makes a big hullabaloo about transgender people that just so happens to prevent local areas from changing certain laws.

Hopefully they would just be parodying the Help.

It's far better on it than a lot of other left publications, and god forbid better than our friends on Reddit.

As to the issue at hand, just let people use the bathroom they prefer it's not that big of a deal

best movie

fuck no

Try not living somewhere shit

Wew lad, when are you trots going to stop recruitment via identity politics?

Epic. The 10/1 ratio of women being oogled and hit on in comparison to men outside of the bathroom will simply cease with in it like magic.

Why is it always issues like these that progressives have absolutely no ounce of proof?

Won't happen for a while. They're not the SJW flavor of the month. Right now it's the degenerate trannies who want to cause a stink over bathrooms.

whats wrong with the article?

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It's not like you're being forced to poop while women watch. I always prefer to use single-person cubicles where possible anyway.

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beg pardon?

Also, you've obviously no concept of burden of proof.

This is unfortunately an extremely common argument, and it's even used by people who should really know better.

Some people still say that they don't like gays because they don't want to be raped, and most people would say that someone who faps to drawings of lolis should be in prison.

This shit is why we need a vanguard. Most people are too damn stupid to think for themselves.

I'm giving a final analysis of IdPol, its bullshit defenders, and its bullshit attackers here.

This is the way IdPol functions; it places the identity of the individual (which there is no problem with representing in the narrative of class struggle) ABOVE the identity of the struggle itself. Or, to put it another way, identity becomes like the State or God and ends up being a Being which must be bowed to. Therefore, the main problem with Identity Politics is that it ends up embracing ends-in-themselves which are contradictory to the aim of most Identity Politicians (IE to end oppression, exploitation, etc of all kinds)

This pursuit of something outside of the real struggle, the struggle of struggles, does indeed hinder said struggle. BUT the even MORE DANGEROUS component, as many have pointed out here, is that it creates an anthesis in the self-described "true Left" (Holla Forums and its affiliates) that are just as reactionary as Holla Forums elements. While right to criticize the specter of IdPol, these elements become useless since they embrace the warm comfort of reactionary ideology just with a "human face" of class struggle in front of them.

Therefore we must recognize both tendencies and in recognizing them overcome them. For they are tendencies born from spooks which are the spookiest spooks of all. That is, the spooks of the "self" as an object rather than a subject, the spook that the SELF has some INNATE right to assert its spooks as if they were facts, the ultimate spook. When we dismantle this attidude we will see how utterly absurd and stupid the whole "Idpol VS Not-Idpol" debate was from its fundementals and began a debate that is "The Opressed vs The Privleged" in a true sense, rather than this COINTELPRO Neoliberal sense of "Privelege vs the Opressed" which not only underlines IdPol but also underlines and emphasizes in even greater strokes its opposition

tl;dr shut the fuck up god damn

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If anti-idpol is the antithesis to idpol's thesis, the synthesis is integrating whatever genuine value there is from the two that survives the conflict. If we address exploitation based on spooky identities by shifting the focus to class, that is NOT reactionary. The synthesis will be to use idpoler and anti-idpoler concepts to direct people to class consciousness. If there's a problem here on Holla Forums, it isn't that people say "idpol is cancer," but that they don't follow up with "class is the real problem." If there's a problem with anti-idpol, it's that it dismisses the concerns of idpolers rather than recognizing them as misdagnosed symptoms of class struggle.

Nah. This struggle should continue to play out so we can find a way to exploit these ideologies to raise class consciousness. Both ideologies are coping mechanisms for problems that can be traced back to class.

You literally just said what I said in a different way because you got so hung up on my sarcast tl;dr that you didn't read the rest of the post

I never said "don't deal with idpollers" i just said (as you said) that it's more complicated than simply opposing them and the only value we can get out of opposing them is realizing the common ground/areas for growth on both parts

Nah, your post is pretty consistent with the idea of not talking about the issue.

No, I expanded upon your post to explain why it's a conversation that we should engage in rather one we shouldn't, but go ahead and backpedal.

Quit your bullshit.

Yes, by letting the conflict play out. This is how thesis + antithesis = synthesis works. The synthesis arises out of the conflict as the dust settles and a new paradigm forms. Why would we shut up and let someone else hash this out instead of diving into the conversation and leveraging it?

"I disagree."

The whole thing is ridiculous but my favorite thing to come out of it is how Oklahoma republicans are trying to segregate bathrooms between trans people and everyone else on religious freedom grounds while at the same time cutting funding for the school, even though the renovations for the segregation would cost a couple million.

This.

B-but… Alienation is a symptom of Capitalism.. Not class strugle!

The shit the rich do to the poor is an act of struggle born of capitalism. Semantics, nigga.

Capitalism is inherently class struggle in that it persists in the perpetuation of these crises (the reification of prole and bougie: reproduction of the means of production). It almost always leads to useless waste of human labour and industrial material for the sake of maximising profits and competition (fixing prices without changing the value of labour—an unproportional measure in support of capital). Alienation is not merely a symptom of capitalism, but is one of its precise functions.

That's the power of spooks. Take meaningless shit and convince others society would crumble without it. Some might even call it "natural", lol.

Apparently I tried to be way too moderate, they think a disgusting moderate. I should just have written "these disgusting niggers are pissing in the same bathrooms as I am, this should stop !".
8ch.net/pol/res/6096061.html
They seem to all agree deportation is the only way, I guess seperate bathrooms won't cut it for them. Too bad, I thought we found a solution to all leave in piece.

Too much repetition, I think I'm becoming tchekov.

There should be zero gender restrictions on any bathroom.

How can you call yourself a socialist and get triggered by gender neutral bathrooms?

the entire furor over bathrooms seems so manufactured I can't even fathom how people are taking it seriously.

do people actually, really, genuinely care about the genitals of the person taking a dump in the next stall over? is it muh tradishun? is it everyonewithapenisisarapist?

The only thing I find objectionable is what I've seen a few places do which is just turn the gents into "gender neutral" and leave the ladies' segregated.

Help me out leftypol, why do people even give a fuck about this?

Only in the sense that they pretend to want a "peaceful" solution because they know that it'll be responded to with force, and rightfully so. They want the bloodiest conflict possible.

But, like Tumblr, they want to think of themselves as victims as it happens.

This response adequately sums up leftism.

Dunno how they got anything done tbh

Funnily enough the only gender-neutral bathroom I know of is one of three bathrooms on the level (actually maybe four, I don't remember if there is also a disabled one).

People care about it because people cared about it because people cared about it.

Spooked christian conservatives wanted to enforce strictly-gendered bathrooms (and fuck over trans people in the process) so naturally people who care about gender issues/trans-rights outraged against this - leading to reactionaries kicking-up a fuss in opposition again. And so on and so on; you know how internet controversy works at this point.