Will wearing a hijab make me a better revolutionary?

Wearing a Che shirt isn't going to subvert anything.

Where's that one picture of the world map with a red line down the middle (going through eastern Europe, the Middle East, Africa, etc., that says

"Where fascism becomes anti-imperialism"

They were colonialist tho and they carried out some of the most brutal genocides of the 20th century. It's possible they were a sub-imperialist partner in my view.

I think our tumblr or Holla Forums friend is at least partially right. The Ottoman Empire was not imperialist in the Leninist sense of being a center of finance capital and concentrated industrial monopolies.

Fascism is more difficult to define tho. Fascist states tend to be imperialist countries or neo-colonies that do the bidding of imperialist nations.

Not sure if this is bait or not, but wearing a piece of cloth on your head just isn't going to change anything, it'll just make you look retarded.

...

He's islamophobic as fuck and completely ignores the long history of progressivism in the Middle East. Had colonialism not occurred the Ottomans would be decades ahead of the West in terms of feminism, racial equality, and socialism. In fact, one of Islam's primary principles is a socialist economy.

You should wear a hijab if it looks cute on you and that's about it tbh

moron detected

…

Why the fuck is everyone still responding to this bait?

Because the mods haven't deleted it yet

You're right in that WWI and Sykes-Picot fucked over the Ottomans royally. But these far fetched assertions that they would be feminist, anti-racist, and socialist havens are… questionable.

This b8 is getting depressing.

The only thing that will make you a revolutionary is bouncing on my dick.

Because sometimes when you spend so much time fighting its the only thing you know fam

Its a piece of cloth you wear on your head. There is no reason to be for or against it.

Just a cultural artifact, and not even unique to the middle east. Come on

The line between tumblr and Holla Forums pretending to be tumblr is really thin, but you put way too much specific terminology in such a short span of time, I suggest using more layman-like terms next time. Otherwise, this is a relatively well written bait, keep it up OP.

Look, I'm not Muslim. I'm an agnostic. But I greatly admire Muhammad for his progressive nature and socialistic policies.

yeeeeah, that's really questionable. It depends on who you ask, tbh. The hadiths of Muhammad don't really depict him as a "progressive" or "socialist" at all.

Muhammad was not a socialist anymore than Jesus was. He wasn't. Stop this meme.

Which Hadith are you using? There are a number of schools of Islamic jurisprudence and all of them have their own views of Muhammad.

...

...

Muhammad gave rights to women, demanded that the poor and orphans be taken care of, told people to overthrow their oppressive governments and to trust no authority but God. Why on earth would an "anarcha-feminist" see him as anything more than a progressive figure?

Probably you're baiting, but just in case

"So what does Mohammed’s “socialism” amount to? Only certain rules to prevent the excesses of the rich from leading to the decomposition of society in 7th century Arabia, but which still accepted the basis of the money/trading economy that had emerged and was spreading. The economic precepts of the koran laid down a framework for the less disruptive functioning of such an economy, placing some obligations on the rich to help the poor while still accepting the division of society into rich and poor."

worldsocialism.org/spgb/printpdf/book/export/html/2083

"No doubt it is these limits on the unbridled and selfish accumulation and use of wealth by private individuals that is behind Galloway’s claim that “socialism and islam are very close”. But this reveals more about his conception of “socialism” than it does about islam."

Please read theory if not troll, kthnx

It was necessary for human progress. Do you really think Muhammad could have implemented communism given the existing conditions of his time?

that's the fucking point you mongoloid, it's ironic

Capitalism was neccasary for human progress too you absolute fucking idiot, that doesn't make it socialism. Are you an actual Bernie Sanders democratic socialist babby? Read. Theory.

...

Why do you hate religion, Holla Forums? :(

...

Iraq, Bosnia, Pakistan, and Egypt are gorgeous.

Yes. You should also cut off your clit too, that will really stick it to those western imperialists.

India, Syria and UA Emirates too.

This meme is orientalist as fuck FYI.

Even so, it demonstrates how Islamism is just as imperialistic as the West–the terrorists literally want an empire. Specifically, a "pan-Islamic" state that encompasses the whole Middle East.

No, the image is orientalist because it's specifically catered to the western gaze. Women choose to wear the niqab because it symbolizes modesty, humility, and forces others to see her inner beauty rather than outer.

Trash bags give Achmed a boner

Treating women as if they are too frail to even make their own decisions is partially why Islamic veils have become so popular. As fucked up as it might sound, a lot of Muslim women actually want to be Muslims. I think it's stupid but I think a government with the authority to change it is worse

Then they are sorely misguided, because niqabs don't look modest like, say, hijabs. Most of the clothing on the right in that picture is also quite modest.

Niqabs just look utterly bizarre, like the women are wearing tents with eye slats. Its established Western association with Islam is what has further egged on paranoia over Islamism.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the niqab was a fairly new invention and introduced by super-orthodox Saudis. However the headscarf is much older

Fuck you and fuck your nonexistant dialectics

I'm half tempted to write a timeline of Islam for the past 100 years for bunkermag but I'm sure it would be garbage and it's not as if the information isn't easily accessible.

Just do it

find a steel cable to hang yourself landwhale

The hijab was actually - GASP - appropriated by Muslims from the Greeks.

Look at eastern Christian women (Greeks, Armenians, Georgians, Serbians, Russians) and you'll see how their headcoverings are nearly identical to hijabs.

This is bait

In what part of the Quran did Mohammed say that the workers should own the means of production?

Muhammad doesn't even talk in the Qur'an. All of the records of Muhammad's words and deeds are in the Hadith.

This is definitely bait but it is also literally the shit that I hear Arabs cunts at my uni saying all the damned time.

It's gotten to the point where anything anti-Western is "anti-imperialist".

I think girls wearing hijab are pretty qt, but it isn't revolutionary and the purpose of it is pretty fucked.

Its literally a head covering bro. That's it

Can't help thinking it's qt bruh.

I think its quite cute too, but if you think about how insanely absurd it is that people fight over this. For the west, being a symbol of eternal oppression by barbarians and for idpolers a ritcheous symbol of anti colonialism and shit and yet its literally just a fucking cloth people put on their head.

I mean, fuck.

I agree. People are retarded.

Jesus christ just kill yourself.

You kill yourself too.

[citation needed]

I was under the impression that it was actually a traditional bedouin thing that camel fuckers had been doing since time immemorial.

...

Such is the folly of human bias. The most overwhelming pile of evidence, revelation that borders on Lovecraftian, means literally nothing compared to personally seeing and feeling.

Give it a shot. A far left perspective on the Islamic world is direly needed.

tits or gtfo nigger

Are tichels revolutionary too?

youtube.com/watch?v=-bJA7P3blD4

Ffs Holla Forums

No.

My dear fellow, I must inform you that the tweet you posted is fabricated and largely homosexual.

Please consider erasing the digital memory of your post.

Ohello Holla Forums my name is Lefty McLeftington. I always like to lork at Holla Forums and I am also an leftist, such as yourself. *SNIFF* *SNIFF* LOL, And so forth. I also like Marx Stirner (HOES DON'T KNOW ABOUT MY GHOSTS), kill piggy, Staling did nothing wrong and i just got sent to zulag. Due to the fact that i'm not a petit- bourquasi I know that Holla Forums is in possession of a great variety of "ideology", at least those of you that aren't glasscucks. in a nutshell, I need the planetariat to deliver to an fellow cumrad some of his " ideology " (you know what i mean LOL). WE ARE ARRIVING FRIENDO, FEEL THE HEAT. PLEASE DONT DUMPBLOCK THIS THRED IT IS NOT FALSE-FLAGGING, BUT ORIGINAL COMMENT.

...

It will make a better slave.

user is already gender-neutral, faggot.

Maybe you haven't been on chans long.

This is probably bait, but I'm bored so I'll bite.

It's very simple. You just have to
wear whatever the fuck you want

It's that simple.

...

BAN EVERYBODY ITT WHO RESPONDED IN AN UNIRONICAL MANNER

[-]

It's not fake.

I saw him post it.

I get it. We used to be assholes in the west. We did a lot of shit to mess up the world.

The Islamic caliphates however were literal slave society who indeed sold us the slaves we used on America. Just because something isn't western doesn't mean that it isn't also oppressive af.

Hi.

justpaste.it/themuslimhindu

Sure you did.

femanon, pls

This is quite accurate TBH. Post-structuralism is, ironically, quite Eurocentric to its core.

mondoweiss.net/2010/10/can-you-support-the-palestinians-when-you-live-on-their-stolen-land/

I don't see why everyone here is so upset.

Hijab is a sign of discipline, something the modern Left severely lacks.

How is wearing a cloth on your head a sign of discipline. It's just a cultural artifact my man.

It reflects modesty and commitment to something higher than yourself.

no it isnt sugar tits

...

...

You can't really equate Ottoman "colonialism" with European colonialism.

...

Explain how Ottoman colonialism was the same as Euro colonialism then.

Cabbage cat? That sounds really cute.

It is because the West hates it. Anything the West hates can fight imperialism.

Lel we was progressives.

Ask /r/socialism about it then.

...

we're taking this meme wayyyyy too far m8

...

Trips confirmed for girl.

Dunno, but it can make you sexy as hell.

...

Shit like this is why we have Stirner.

symbols aren't necessarily spooks.

...

I really like this bully/chad ethos we have given Stirner. It sort of fits him.

I like the ones on the right too.

Symbols are used to evoke spooks.
Symbols themselves are just objects.
We ascribe whatever meaning we want onto them, and sometimes it's not even consistent.
I always think of people burning the American flag and how much it triggers some people simply because it's the flag their father died for or something like that.

What you're talking about is the fact that people tend to ascribe the meaning the symbol stands for with the symbol itself.

In your example, the flag burning only burns the flag, not what the flag represents. The spook is thinking that the destruction of the physical flag is synonymous with destruction of what it represents.

>no muslim gf
i want to die

Please don't do it!

Sounds like a Holla Forums tract with the buzzwords changed. Nah m8.

Clothing doesn't matter.

Golden pasta

...

...

I feel kinda bad for fetishizing head scarves. I think its got to do with desire for something you will never be able to have, or something.,

I did once see a hijab wearing socialist once, though. During this leftist event in Chicago. She was talking about progressive movements in Iraq. She also talked about hijab too. She talked about how to westernerd it was a symbol of male suppression of women, and some people cannot even imagine she wears the scarf willingly. It must be forced onto her in order that their narrative works. And it was the opposite for liberals who say that choosing not to wear the scarf cannot happen and its a product of neo colonialism.

The hijab feeds a lot into the "she was asking for it" culture though, where a lot if middle-eastern men will dismiss sexual assault as basically nothing because the woman was dressed in a improper manner.

I mean, I guess women can choose to wear chasity belts and corsets too, but that doesnt mean that these are not primarily made to limit and constrain female sexuality.

I don't think chastity belts and corsets are comparable to a piece of cloth on your head. It isn't even unique to islam

I like it, the headscarf should be reintroduced into western socialist tradition as a sign of female modesty and respect for their culture. This would bring us closer to the way western Europe was at its most revolutionary, and when Marx was writing. Also I'd much rather have that then some fat slut showing her disgusting body off.

Why is this thread not bumplocked?

Bonnets =/= hijab

Modesty is a huge thing in Islam. Muslim women aren't even allowed to sing and dance in public.

Reminder that not everyone takes their relegion too seriously.

It's a real thing.

Why not?
If a woman is not wearing a headscarf she's basically asking for sexual assault. That's basically the same approach we had to women and what they wore during the reformation.
And sure people can choose to run around dressed as Amish people. That doesn't make it a very emancipatory thing to do.

Fundie Xtians do it too.
youtube.com/watch?v=lEEYsrHXdrk

That's what I fucking said. Amish are Christians, right?

Just replace "indigenous" with "Islamic" and you have OP.

marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm

I've seen this before but this the first time I read it deeply and tried to understand what she was saying. What did any of that fucking mean?

...

Literally in volume one as a primary explanation for capital's rise

Kek'd hard.

I'm surprised this post didn't win her a board position at The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. And even shitposters on this board say we simply invented an idpol boogeyman. Kill me now fam.
I thought Mao was good since he was a POC, and all POCs are good?

...

...

Kek

But also no thanks. This analysis is really superficial.

Well.
If by "Marxism" she means "Marxism-Leninism" then she's not really that wrong.

...