The No Fap Hoax

TL;DR

YBOP, TGPE, and nofap are founded on the views of two people who are considered pariahs within the sex and relationship research and clinical communities. They present themselves as experts but aren’t. There’s no empirical research evidence to support any of the claims made by YBOP and TGPE. All the claims about negative effects of internet porn use can be better accounted for by other explanations. Watching internet porn (hopefully ethically produced!) and masturbating are not problematic for the vast majority of people. And for those people who do have a problem with internet porn, it’s almost always a sign of some other underlying problem (shame, anxiety, fear of rejection, relationship problems, boredom, low self-esteem, lack of good sex education, etc.). Addressing those underlying problems should be people’s focus, not abstaining from masturbation to internet porn.

LONG VERSION
Before I get into the problems with YBOP, TGPE, and nofap, a bit about my background to show that I have some expertise in the area. I have PhD in psychology and have studied human sexuality extensively. I’ve published several first-authour papers in reputable peer-reviewed academic journals such as the Archives of Sexual Behaviour and the Journal of Sex Research. I teach a class on human sexuality at one of Canada’s top-ranked universities. I’m also part of a global email listserve that’s populated by many of the best minds (i.e., researchers, theorists and clinicians) in the field of human sexuality. YBOP, TGPE, and nofap have all been discussed extensively on the listserve (well, mostly criticized and ridiculed, largely because Marnia Robinson takes every opportunity she can to spam the list with her claims). So I’m not just another internet hero who thinks he’s boss when he’s clearly not.

On to YBOP, TGPE, and nofap…

This whole movement stems entirely from the work of two people: Marnia Robinson and her partner Gary Wilson (R&W). They are on a crusade against internet pornography. Wilson is a high school science teacher and adjunct instructor at Southern Oregon University, and Robinson is an ex-lawyer who is now a sex and relationship therapist. Neither one of them have been formally educated in research or clinical psychology, and neither one of them have a PhD (i.e., they’re not Drs.). YourBrainOnPorn.com is a pet project of theirs, tied into talks, books, articles, and Ms. Robinson’s therapy practice (Reuniting.info). They run YourBrainOnPorn.com. Wilson is the presenter of the TEDx talk, “The Great Porn Experiment”. R&W regularly blog their work online at “Psychology Today,” which is a non-academic magazine, although I’ve heard rumblings that their gigue may be up. Robinson is also the co-authour of “Cupid’s Poison Arrow,” a non-academic book about her views on sex and relationships. Their website, the TEDx talk and their publications give them a veneer of scientific expertise.

If you do some digging, you’ll find that the links (not people’s personal blogs) in the reddit/r/nofap FAQs are all from the same source: the work of R&W. There’s a reason why there are no other sources – no experts have bought into their theories and viewpoints. R&W have a history of manipulating and/or misrepresenting research findings to support their ideology and claims, ignoring studies (and parts of studies) they’ve cited that contradict them, discussing indirect evidence as if it’s direct supporting evidence, and citing bad research.

R&W are pariahs within the world of sex research and clinical practice. I’m not being an intellectual snob (or at least, I hope I’m not); it’s just that what they’re claiming is completely unsupported by research. This is not to say that they’re trying to deceive people. They clearly believe the ideas they’re promoting, and that they’re making the world a better place. And who knows, perhaps future research will prove them to be correct (I doubt it).

R&W make a litany of claims about the harms of internet porn use. I’ll address a few of the most egregious ones in an effort to keep this short enough that people will hopefully read it. Keep in mind, though, that NONE of R&W’s theories and claims are supported by any peer-reviewed research. It’s all simply speculation presented as fact. They’ve also made what’s considered the gravest error in the research world – interpreting personal anecdotes as empirical evidence.

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DOPAMINE AND BRAIN RE-WIRING
Dopamine plays a central in role in the neural networks of the brain that respond to reward. All rewarding (i.e., pleasurable) experiences are associated with increased dopamine activity and increased activity in the corresponding regions of the brain. These experiences can be anything pleasurable for the individual. Neuroplasticity (or re-wiring, as R&W call it) is a phenomenon that occurs all throughout life, although brain development slows down as people enter into adulthood. All our experiences can potentially cause re-wiring, and our wiring influences the way we experience things (i.e., it’s a two-way street). This is a good thing.

The reward system has been the focus of much substance addiction research and many people have claimed that behavioural addictions have the same underlying neurological causes/effects. Within the larger research community, however, there’s still no consensus on so-called behavioural addictions having long-term effects on brain functioning, similar to what’s seen in substance addictions. Many people are very skeptical of behavioural addictions in general, such as internet addictions, sex addictions, porn addictions, etc., as there simply isn’t any strong evidence to show the same degree of brain changes that are seen in people with substance addictions. There are some addiction organizations in the states that equate behaviour and substance addictions; however, this doesn’t represent the views of the entire mental health/medical community.

The most important point, with reference to R&W, is that there is NO evidence whatsoever that watching internet porn causes detrimental changes in the dopamine-reward system (i.e., their whole re-wiring hypothesis). R&W have simply extrapolated from animal models of substance addiction and sexual behaviour (e.g., hamsters, sheep, rats, etc.) to humans watching internet porn. A great example of this is in the TGPE video. Wilson claims, “At the same time, other physical changes in the brain make it hypereactive to porn…”. There is not one single study that has shown this! It’s simply speculation presented as fact.

INTERNET PORN CAUSES MENTAL DISORDERS
In the TGPE video, Wilson states that internet porn use is associated with various clinical disorders including ADHD, depression, social anxiety and OCD. He opposes the prescription of medications to treat these disorders and states, “Guys don’t realize that they can overcome these symptoms simply by changing their behaviour [masturbation to internet porn].” As someone trained in psychology, I find this extremely problematic and entirely unethical. There are literally piles of peer-reviewed research showing that people with mental disorders and/or other psychological problems will often self-medicate with rewarding behaviour or substances. This is at the core of addiction. In other words, the rewarding behaviour (in this case masturbation to orgasm while watching porn) allows the individual to escape from the symptoms caused by his/her mental disorder or psychological problems. There is NO research showing that internet pornography causes mental disorders – none. It’s the other way around – psychological problems and mental disorders can lead to problematic porn use as a means to cope and self-medicate. Wilson is simply presenting his ideology as fact, and in this case, it’s dangerous. People should be seeking treatment for their mental disorders.

ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION
R&W claim that masturbation to internet pornography can cause erectile dysfunction (ED). While they note that porn-induced ED can happen when watching porn, their main concern is ED with a partner. R&W state that through desensitization, men become unable to achieve and maintain erections when with a partner. This desensitization happens because of re-wiring of the brain in response to internet porn (both the vast quantity and variety). R&W tie this into the Coolidge effect. In animals (and likely humans too, although it’s ethically impossible to do the research), introduction of a novel partner to a sexually satiated animal will lead to renewed sexual interest/behaviour.

There is NO empirical evidence to support the porn-ED theory with the exception of an Italian study that R&W repeatedly cite. What R&W don’t tell you is that the study was poorly constructed, and was only presented at a urology conference. It was never peer-reviewed nor published in a reputable journal. In other words, it’s a weak study. Because it hasn’t been published, it’s impossible to evaluate its quality, but based on what’s been reported, it’s a correlational study that didn’t control for many possible confounds (i.e., alternate explanations for the findings). Also, it says nothing about brain re-wiring and ED.

There are, however, far better explanations for the ED that some porn users experience than desensitization of the brain due to brain re-wiring:

1. The more frequent the orgasms, and the longer the stimulation leading up to orgasm, the weaker the subsequent sexual response before being fully recharged. In other words, if you’re fapping for an hour during the day to porn, and then your partner wants to have sex that evening, of course you’re not going to be as interested or respond as strongly. You already used up your mojo, or at least some of it. Abstaining from masturbation and sex will have the opposite effect.

2. Some men will grip themselves in a specific way, or tightly, when they masturbate. Then, when they’re with a real partner, the sensation is different and/or not as intense. This can lead to ED and/or delayed ejaculation.

3. A man whose sole sex life is with himself will likely feel anxiety when with a real partner. And anxiety if a boner killer.

4. Abstaining from masturbation/sex leads to greater and stronger orgasms and ejaculation in the future. This idea has been around for 100s of years. It ties into point 1, as well. This is different than saying that internet porn causes ED.

5. Men may be experiencing ED with, and lack of interest in, their partners for many other reasons (e.g., boredom, relationship conflict, lack of attraction, performance anxiety, etc.).

ESCALATION
Another one of the claims made by R&W is that internet pornography use causes a change in sexual preferences described by R&W as, “escalation to bizarre porn.” This is an oft-repeated statement by the anti-pornography movement. It’s been repeated so many times over the years that people have started to believe that it’s true. It simply isn’t – there is NO empirical evidence to support this claim. And besides, what’s wrong with “bizarre porn,” as long as everyone in it is consenting and it’s ethically produced? A great example of this would be kink.com, a massive ethical producer of various types of kinky (i.e., “bizarre”) internet pornography.

There is a group of porn users who do exhibit tastes in porn that are more atypical (i.e., “bizarre”). However, these users are the minority, and nobody knows if it’s the internet porn use that’s leading to their choices, or if they’re simply people who are curious, kinky, like any content that’s sexual (including content that is more atypical), and/or are simply trying to find what turns them on the most (i.e., it’s exploratory).

In response to R&W, one of the authours of “A Billion Wicked Thoughts,” a book describing a massive study of internet searches (hundreds of thousands) and people’s sexual preferences, stated that men’s tastes in pornography are very stable (more so than women’s, even). Men tend to search for the same few things over and over again. The study showed that less than 1% of people searching for pornography on the web searched for more than four different content types. The 1% typically searched for eight. So, according to their data, “escalation to bizarre porn” simply does not happen. Keep in mind, though, that the study isn’t published in a peer-reviewed journal. But from all appearances and reviews, it does seem to be sound.

TESTOSTERONE
In the reddit/r/nofap FAQs, it states that one of the benefits of nofap is a serum testosterone boost. This is based on the results of a single study published in a Chinese university’s journal. This is an extremely obscure journal, presumably published to try to garner the university’s researchers some exposure, and therefore credibility. I’d be far more likely to give this study any attention if it was published in a reputable journal.

As for the study, it showed that men who were abstinent exhibited a statistically significant increase in testosterone on day 7. For days 1-6, there was no difference, and then on day 8, testosterone decreased back to baseline (i.e., there was no statistically significant difference in testosterone when days 1 and 8 were compared). Assuming this finding could be replicated and the research was sound, the take away message is that being abstinent leads to a spike in testosterone only on day 7, on average, across men. That’s it. I don’t think this is surprising – if you haven’t had a sexual release for a few days you’re going to get some pent up sexual energy, which is correlated with increased testosterone. Eventually the body will get used to that state, and the pent up feeling will dissipate and testosterone will return to baseline.

So, what does this mean, assuming the science is good? If you’re interested in having a testosterone spike for a single day (I’m not sure why you’d want this – there’s no correlation between acute testosterone levels and any performance improvement), then don’t masturbate or have sex for 7 days. You’ll then need to repeat the pattern if you want to have another spike. I’m sure you’ll be cranky as all hell for that week, though.

WHAT BETTER EXPLAINS THIS SO-CALLED INTERNET PORN PROBLEM?
All the claims put forward by R&W have not been studied, and perhaps future research will validate some of the nutty things they’ve stated. But for the time being, there are several much better possible explanations for what R&W have claimed.

Laziness and Fear of Rejection
Not having an easy sexual outlet (i.e., masturbating to internet porn) means that you’re going to have to work (or work harder) to meet real sexual partners. This may mean being less lazy, being more courageous, getting over being shy, etc. And in doing so, you’ll likely feel better about yourself (you accomplished something that is challenging). So, it’s not that the internet porn is making you avoid partners, it’s that you’re turning to porn because you’re avoiding partners. It’s a positive feedback loop – the cycle reinforces itself (more avoidance, more porn).

Coping with Unpleasant Thoughts, Feelings and Moods
If you use masturbation and porn as a means to cope with (i.e., self-medicate) negative moods (e.g., boredom), feelings (i.e., depression, anxiety) and thoughts (e.g., low self-esteem, fear of rejection), stopping will force you to confront these underlying problems. Alternatively, you might start doing some other rewarding activity as a new way of coping, allowing yourself to keep avoiding that underlying problem. It could be watching lots of TV, playing video games, spending hours surfing the internet, spending piles of money shopping, gambling, exercising non-stop, working a lot, etc. These could all potentially be coping mechanisms that function as escapes from unpleasant moods, feelings and thoughts. Without these coping behaviours, it would mean confronting some demons and unpleasant moods, feeling and thoughts.

A Sense of Regained Control
If you’re someone who feels like you lack control in your life, and lack power and agency, stopping your use of porn and masturbating will give you a new sense of control. This, in turn, will positively affect your perception of yourself. You’ll feel confident, strong, courageous, etc., but this is simply because you’ve overcome a strong natural urge and therefore have increased your sense of agency and accomplishment. But the behaviour you could force yourself to control could be anything – it’s not that there’s something special about porn and masturbation other than the fact that sex drive can be an extremely powerful urge, and that it is a source of shame and guilt.

If you’re looking to have a sense of control, increased agency over your life, and greater self-esteem, choose to take control of a behaviour that’s actually unhealthy – cut out pop (soda, for you Americans), eat less fast food, eat better, get more exercise, force yourself to read books, take a class, go out and meet people, etc. There are lots of challenging changes that you can make that will give you a sense of agency and personal strength. With those change will come increased self-esteem. Why waste your time trying to stop a behaviour that is generally harmless (assuming all the other points have been addressed)?

The Roles of Shame, Guilt and Anxiety
Ask yourself how you feel about masturbating to internet porn? Almost all people will report some guilt, shame, embarrassment and anxiety. This is something that has been ingrained in people – that it’s bad and that you’re a bad person because of it. There’s a reason that a large proportion of the nofappers are religious and virgins. The guilt is strong in them.

If you experience shame, guilt and anxiety about masturbation and porn, then of course you’ll feel better if you stop masturbating and using porn. It doesn’t mean that there’s anything particularly harmful about internet porn (studies show that for most people, porn has no lasting negative effects – one European study showed that it can even have positive effects). A far better solution is to just accept that for almost all people, masturbation is a normal and healthy part of their lives, and therefore not something to cause you shame. Porn use can also be part of a healthy sex life (on your own or with partners), too, although I’d highly recommend that you only use porn that is ethically produced (that’s an entirely different topic of discussion). Neither masturbation or ethically produced and consumed porn are intrinsically unhealthy, as long as they are not getting in the way of day-to-day life and relationships.

Relationship Problems
People often turn to pornography as a sexual outlet when there are problems in their intimate relationships. Problems can include all sorts of things, such as: resentment, anger, hostility, apathy, communication break-down, sexual dissatisfaction, lack of attraction, boredom, etc. Based on the claims of R&W, internet pornography causes lack of intimacy and once its use stops, intimacy will return. This simply isn’t the case. The underlying relationship problems need to be addressed, and once they do, intimacy will return and pornography, as the primary sexual outlet, will take a back seat to the real thing.

The Placebo Effect
The placebo effect is very real. The more someone invests time, resources and energy in change (i.e., treatment), the more that person wants to believe that real change has happened. Going cold turkey, when it comes to masturbation and porn, takes a lot of work and willpower – the urge for sexual release is extremely strong. People therefore want to believe that their work (i.e., being abstinent) has paid off. Another spin off is that when we feel like we’ve worked hard, we also tend to feel good about ourselves.

Crappy Sex Education
People are either not getting sex education, or are getting really bad sex education. Good sex ed should discuss pornography, and pornography use, with kids. Too many kids are learning about sex from pornography, and not in class. Pornography is fantasy – it’s not real. It’s a marketable product, subject to the whims of consumer preferences. So if you’re someone with no sex ed, but you’ve watched lots of porn, when it comes time to have sex with a real person, you’ll be in for a complete shock. Kids should learn about responsible pornography use, and how it doesn’t represent reality both in terms of how the people look and what sex is like. I assume that many of the problems reported by young porn users are directly related to lack of understanding about pornography and how it relates to the real world.

CONCLUSION
YBOP, TGPE, and nofap are fundamentally about fear mongering and sex-negativity. All the claims made are founded on R&W’s own myopic view of what sex should be (read Robinson’s website Reuniting.info if you want a taste of it). The whole nofap (i.e., reboot) thing is just like all other empirically unsupported trends in health – it’ll eventually disappear. Having said that, there’s probably no harm in doing the nofap thing other than some crankiness relating to lack of sexual outlet, and the negative thoughts and feelings that go along with beating yourself up if you fail (which is silly, in my opinion). So if you want to do the nofap challenge, knock yourselves out.

And yes, internet pornography use can be problematic for some people. When it is, it’s almost always a sign of some other underlying problem (shame, anxiety, fear of rejection, relationship problems, boredom, low self-esteem, lack of good sex education, etc.). Addressing those underlying problems should be people’s focus, not abstaining from masturbation and sex.

I’ll end with an analogy:
Internet porn is like fast food. It’s full of fatty, salty, artificial deliciousness, but it has no nutritional value whatsoever. Having a real sex partner(s), and assuming you’re doing sex right, is like eating a well-balanced diet. This might mean a little fast food now and again, especially if your fridge is empty. But if you eat nothing but fast food, you’re going to be unhealthy.

We already know about this.

The porn industry and no-fap are the two sides of the same jewish plot to kill our birthrates.

Why are you reposting shit from plebbit here? Nobody on this board falls for the no fap meme. What are you sliding?

The wider implication here isn't just "not fapping", but the whole "Internet porn causes over dopamine rush and therefore men can't reproduce without going degenerate" shtick as well.

See

The belief that the ever more extremised forms of Internet pornography causes men to be unable to have healthy, "vanilla" sex in real life is still very much taken as truth on Holla Forums.

lol most psychology studies aren't reproducible so this really doesn't say much about NoFap as it does about your jewish psychology bullshit in general

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Haha oh boy!

Actual amateur stuff?

When I used to fap to porn I would tend to feel at least a tinge of guilt and it would usually deplete some of my energy. At any rate it was hollow and just temporarily sates sexual desire for a day or two.

When I switched to hentai full time, all of that essentially went away, in fact it reversed itself, meaning I satisfied and energized like, as you say, having a healthy meal. Not only that but the orgasm is way, way better too, to the point that it can almost make me fall off my chair. It must also help that hentai, ecchi, and even non-lewd images requires some imagination – especially to boost the experience– meaning your not just sitting there watching people fuck like a cucked vegetable but actively engaging your mind (and heart if you love her), and that definitely makes a difference.

So I believe that it also depends how you fap and whether or not you have any emotional attachment to what you're fapping to, and yes, even a "fictional character" can be real in your heart and mind and thus masturbation to that feels entirely genuine in comparison to just rubbing one out to some chick getting her holes plugged.

Jew Copy pasta Shill.

Masturbate once a week on the weekend to your imagination or pictures of beautiful white women.

And that gives you credibility ?

The Germans certainly weren't prudes and produce books with photographs of healthy naked Aryans, but no pornography.

You could question all you want, I'm just stating my findings.

oy gevalt

Am I the 1%?

I believe you OP but I also believe that aryans should exercise their power of will, even for the placebo of no fap. If spreading falsehoods about the outlandish benefits of nofap will get my lost brothers' determination and will growing again, I'll certainly do it.

I still don't like the idea really. I jerk off as much as the next guy, but always in the back of my mind there's a little sweaty jew guy saying "Good goyim, yes, yes good goy… feed me shekels!"

Dude this is just a copy pasta,

I wouldn't recommend such an utilitarian approach when it comes to human psychology, and especially something as raw as sexuality. The journey is as much as potentially damaging in such fields.

Is it wrong If I'm unattracted to girls with completely shaven vaginas? For some reason a bald vagina makes me feel like the girl is a slut and I can't trust her.

Plain text is always better than a picture of text.

Porn is jews degrading people. All the porn sites are kike owned, porn is filth. Fuck porn, fuck masturbating and fuck all the faggots that want other people to masturbate, you sicks fucks.

Would certainly agree to that.


It's because all you do is watch porn and so you've made a bad mental association. Shaved looks better on a good vag.

Sadly I don't think I'll ever like completely bald vaginas.
But I don't think it's degenerate anyway since shaving is only a recent thing.

It may even be a porn kike thing.

I'm pretty sure of the fact everyone on Holla Forums has a porn addiction and fap to zog affilitated porn.

Weak willpower all around.

sage for reposting plebbit bullshit

This is the source of the copy pasta (in the comments): drjasonwinters.com/blogs/psychology-of-sexuality/2012/06/28/thursday-mail-summer-edition-ongoing/#comment-6169=

This is the response (comments) : reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/1ourjq/large_image_food_for_thought_a_psychologist_who/ccw5enx

Nice sage

Fuck me, I missed it. Hopefully Kek understands

I hold the belief that what separates humans from animals is our capacity to master our base instincts. You could say the law is keeping them in check under the threat of punishment but if law and order disappeared people wouldn't immediately go kill and rape. in homogeneous while countries at least :^)

Mastery and transmutation of your lust is a part of that self mastery and is not something a jew like you would understand.


Cheers, this confirms that it's a slide thread.

I didn't stop fapping, but after finding that hardcore wasn't doing anything for me any more, and not wanting to step into abyss of weird fetishes, I went back to 90's TV softcore, and it made my dick diamonds for some reason.

Back where you came from.
>>>Holla Forums

I'm a no fapper on metaphysical grounds. Ask me anything you slaves to desire

I'll ask you to sage, fellow /fringe/ wizard.

KUNDALINI

RISING

I used /chaos/ myself before it was took over by animuposter and his monster girl dumpers. Chaos magic/Kek died that day.

They try to taint my fun past time with their 2d waifus

Fapping every 5 days to a week makes me feel better than if I were to do it every day. Anons should try it sometime, cutting it off completely is massively retarded.

Fuck off degenerates. Just because you cannot imagine going two days without jerking yourselves to death to your disgusting simulated procreation does not mean that everyone is as wretched as you.

Agreed

This is just a pasta.
Those weird pictures u use tell it all. I think youre jewish and gay and a pervert.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't there things that say that you boost your abillity to want to do stuff if you go without sex or fapping so you can go and get some

no it doesnt

You want strong orgasms? Do focus breathing meditation. Not the hippie kind but the martial arts kind. Then do it while you cum or barely after

You're definitely not alone. In fact, this is what Ted Bundy (the serial killer) was saying as well. He was saying that all of the serial killers he had talked to were "deeply involved in pornography." And, that's basically what happened to him too. Porn makes serial killers, among other problems. While looking it up, I saw some other folks saying that they were convinced that that would have happened to them without nofap, and that they even made plans for it and everything.

I know for a fact that my mind is quite screwed up on porn. I went without it for a month, and felt what it was like to think clearly again. Fell back into it though, and now I'm just trying to get back out for good. I plan on giving it up forever.

Sociopaths are deranged little fucks who just feed on porn to satisfy their fantasies. Social media, Tumblr especially want to normalize the degeneracy and genderfreak faggotry.

Porn forces those impressionable fucks to pick up a fetish or two. Who the fuck would become interested in something like vore and scat without influence of porn?

People are encouraged to pick up fetishes and act like depraved degenerates.

dont watch anime or it will turn you gay.
boom, now you are jerking off to traps. beware of the jap tricks.

Well fuck the kike op is citing, time to delete everything

Weak willed cuck.

Stop projecting

Definitely so, but I think that porn might actually cause people to become sociopaths. I'm not really sure about that, but consider this. I've fapped to things that would otherwise offend the heck out of me. While fapping, I notice that I don't notice a lot of things that usually bother me. For things that severely offended me, after fapping to it a little while, it doesn't offend me quite as much anymore. I understand intellectually that it's very wrong, but I've lost a lot of that feeling that it's wrong. I've lost a lot of feeling in general.

I'm thinking that if you have no strong moral guidelines in the first place, you might just fall into this numbness and lose all moral sense. If Tumblr seems like a place full of degenerates, have you noticed what people say they usually go there for? Porn.

Nice quads, by the way.

you type like a reddit


go back to faggot

overall I don't disagree, I oppose a lot of porn because it's degenerate and normalizes sick shit (I had a friend, whether attracted to or influenced by cuck porn, fuck his life up)

a lot of ED is just being stuck fucking an ugly naggy bitch, outside of nerves or large amounts of alcohol, ED with a hot girl isn't going to happen.

Autism-creepy alert Anything short of constant fapping seems to be okay, which accounts for almost all the low time-between with weak 'gasms

t. guy with deathgrip


whoa whoa whoa, that's a perfectly valid thing as long as we are trying to keep the wimmin in check. Net you'll have a problem with slut-shaming.


thanks for sauces


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