JIMMY DORE INTERVIEW! IT'S HAPPENING!

Fuck off.

You don't represent me, faggot.

I HATE R.D. Wolff and market socialist. They are, however, the most palatable socialists for liberals leaning towards socialism. Jimmy Dore is open about 'miring people like Che, but I don't think he's a command economy and gestapo kind of guy, nor a stupid dreamer. You're fucking retarded, not autistic.

Can I do it?

I am not a namefag and I promise not to bring up cringy labels.

Anyways, I think we should compile a list of topics we could ask him about

*Frustration with lack of representation at the federal/presidential level. Will real change come at the local level? Does wolf-pac stand a real chance?

*Appropriation of leftist causes by liberals to maintain the status quo (Brocialists, BernieBro, BernieSoWhite ect)

*Where does the Bernie Movement go if he loses the primary? Are the local elections in 2018 the real road ahead?

More suggestions

I am sorry. I used the wrong wording there. Of course I don't represent you. I should have written something to the tune of "I come here on behalf of Holla Forums". Yes, in this case I took the initiative to something to which I was not elected. My apologies.

For everyone's disclosure: I consider myself a Communalist/Municipalist market-socialist leaning Libertarian Socialist.
I consider myself fairly neutral between Marxists and Anarchists, but I do have a lot more sympathy with the anarchist cause than with the Leninist causes.

I understand if you don't trust me to leave my bias at the door.

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This is going to be a shitshow

Tbh I want an user to do this. All the namefags are cunts, no offense. Xexizy is tolerable but he's not well read enough.

Wolff is good. Maybe later Zizek.

Xexizy hasn't even finished State and Revolution but he claims to be a Leninist, give me a break.

The best possible strategy this board can have if we are trying as hard as possible to get our message out there is to just have everyone who can afford to get a good mike, headphones, editing software, and has the free time, should just start a youtube channel and instead of being autistic about socialism on /lefypol/ you could instead pour that autism into making youtube videos.

If we throw enough shit at the wall enventually a particularly talented, funny, well read, and intelligent piece of shit will finally stick and we wont have to be subjected to fucking Xexizy being the only """""""""""""""""large"""""""""""""""""" leftist youtube channel that isn't some identity politics ridden shitfest like libertarian socialist rants.

Anyone but rebel or yui tbh. Yui is a shitty ideakit and rebel has down syndrome

Should we not let the people of Holla Forums decide???

Make a poll then.

I'm actually starting a YouTube channel soon, but it'll be more psychology and sociology with a leftist slant and not pure leftist politics. I'm making a few videos at the moment, and I'll let y'all know when I start it up. Though I'm not a cuteboy like xexizy

OP is in charge of this he can do it

Hear, hear!

Name yourselves as the nominees and I'll create a Strawpoll.

I nominate myself.

Ok

Deal.

Use poal.me and let people add answers

In the meanwhile, please come with suggestions for discussion with Jimmy.
I've already come with suggestions here

How well read are you FAM?

what kind of person we looking for? I dont want name fags fucking this shit up, we should have an user who knows what they are talking about and can actually communicate well.

I suggest we introduce the argument for gun ownership from a leftist perspective since most people at least in burgerland are not aware that the actual left (meaning non-liberals) is pro-gun.

As far as I recall, I've read

Critique of the Gotha Programme
And Inquiry of the wealth of nations
Das Kapital Volume I (not finished)
What is property
Ego and his own
Beyond Good and Evil
Democratic Confederalism
And Introduction to Lacan
Statism and Anarchy
The Social Basis of the Women Question

That's the ones that come to mind.
I've read a text by Mises too, but I forget the name.

Anyways, I could be more well-read but I'm not exactly a newb either.

No.

It's Jimmy Dore he's going to talk with, not Chomsky. Being well read is not necessary. The real question of import is

Can you DIALECTICS?

ftfy

POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT POLL'S OUT

I had to put in two options, and I couldn't nominate anyone but myself, obviously

poal.me/rs9wl4

I don't have autism or anything. I was thinking that we made up a rough draft of the topics we'd go through with him to make sure that we don't venture into something that might be considered really cringe-worthy.

Thus, no matter who is elected, the questions reflect our collective will and it can't go totally wrong.

Who the hell is Jimmy Dore?

I don't see why not, if you feel you can represent and articulate our views properly.
I just hope you have decent public speaking skills.
I just know I don't.
I'm stuttering muttering mess and would probably throw up spaghetti.

Just found out about this, but I'm down.

Also normally the people who say I lack theory are the ones who dont even bother to watch my videos. I dont like to sound arrogant but I know my shit about Leninism, at least well enough to talk to this guy about it.

As long as we're represented by someone who isn't a dumb anarkiddie I could care less.

Space_ should do it!

Fuck off space_

NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT THEORIZATION.

Don't you even dare mentioning Leninism you dumb shit.

I consider myself the candidate who's best able to remain ideologically neutral and not blurt out socialist concepts to readily, that might alienate either Jimmy or his viewership.

The fact that I have no name recognition also makes me great for slick entryism.

A funny comedian, who's a borderline socialist on TYT a huge internet news show.

VOTING'S HERE!

No one that knows any theory should do it. IlliterateAnarchist should be up to this task!

why, comrade?

Thats basically 80% of the anarchists here.

So any anarchist will do?

So, would this be done with just one person we choose, or a couple of people? I think the latter would be better so they can play on each other's strengths and weaknesses in terms of theory.

YES!
GLORIUS LEADER MOVE FORWARD AND REPRESENT THE PEOPLE!

THE TRUE PROLETARIAN REVOLUTIONARY DOESN'T NEED TO READ!
HE HAS THE REVOLUTION IN HIS HEART!
HE CAN CREATE THEORY WITHOUT READING!

NO NOMENCLATURE ALLOWED!

NO INTELIGENTSIA ALLOWED AS WELL!
NO YUI!

In other news, I though Anarkids didn't believe in representation.
How can they elect a representative then?
GET KRONSTREKT ANARKIDS!
:^)

topics:

You can talk about whatever else you want, but you better bring these up.

KEK!

I think we'd need at least two people so the discussion won't become biased towards any one group who will diss every other group.

They are objectively about as viewed on the internet as network news are viewed on tv if you don't count the grandpas/mas that just leave network news on as background noise. They're pretty big.

Agreed. Looking at the pol that's going to be me and OP?

What's your ideology OP, sorry if you mentioned already.

This tbh fam.

Well, yeah, if noone gets a majority, then that'd probably be the way we'd have to do it I'd think. I would personally be willing to work with Xexizy if he does not feel that it is too much of a hassle to work together with another

They have more viewership than most stuff on cable. That means we can't ignore them.

I am a Municipalist Libertarian Socialist. Think Murray Bookchin. Generally I am an anarchist, but I don't mind slight interaction with the state and hollowing it out from the inside just as the PYD is doing for example.

VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE

can't vote famalam

Yea I would be more than happy to do this with you then. We would have a marxist and an anarchist which is good. As for the topics here I'm obviously good with the first and last, but the seccond one I'm not too strong on. Can I rely on you to cover that?

Well, still,

Oh hell no. Why are you even trying to do this then? We need someone who will provide a balanced and consistent perspective.

Seems like Rebel is catching up in the poll. Is he going to be the third wheel in this?

It looks like rebel just jumped from 0 to 10, or my browser was bugging out. Either way if you guys want him over me (xexizy) that's fine. Either way I think we should have two people, and as rebel is a marxist too, the second would should probably be OP.

rebel is fine

Do we have a deadline for deciding who should do the interview?

Commentary, whatever, it gets a lot of eyeballs. Also Jimmy is pretty much red and very based.

I think it would be easy to argue that what Trump is promising to do is pretty much what the Obama administration has been doing all along, so there's really no reason not to use the vote to get some third party federal funding or whatever.

CAN I PLEASE GET REBEL TO CONFIRM THAT HE'S ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN DOING THIS?

Could you please clarify your issue? I am not a dogmatist. Is there any speciffic position you believe me to have that would be an issue?

Not yet, but we shouldn't keep Jimmy waiting forever.

Do we even know if Rebel is down for it?

He's sleeping right now. When is this meant to be happening/

He'll just rant about anguish and jesus for three hours, why are you doing this

He will be down, or he will be put down.

I've never seen his posts. I just voted to keep a certain other name from getting the spot.

This is exactly why I said people should only nominate themselves.

VOTE HERE VOTE HERE VOTE HERE

I feel like he gets kind of awkward when he is challenged tho

youtube.com/watch?v=OpOUyTEy3hk

Because Rebel is the smartest YouTuber we have which isn't saying much

He's really not as smart as you think he is, lad.

I'm probably as knowledgeable as he is, and also an absurdist, but I suck at explaining my position.

in what ways?

Pls tell me you're joking

I thought about starting a youtube channel, but I feel like I would embarrass you all.

You have nothing to loose, go for it.

do it man if you dont want your face on there let me do some art for you

Is there going to be a live chat and will the streamers please pay attention to it?

No you'll not.

You'll only embarah yourself.

(take the art option, or create a mask for yourself)

So what puts Rebel Absurdity above Xexizy? Curious.

Familiarity I'd guess

What puts them all above me? I wrote the most popular piece on Bunkermag to date. If I did that well with theory writing, think of how well I'd do in real conversation m8s!

Who are you on the poll?

You aren't even on the poll, lad.

Then again Holla Forums might try to spam it with trump shit.

That just shows how little you deserve someone as highly qualified as me. You didn't even think of putting my name in in case I was absent.

OP said you should put yourself on the poll fucktard. Also you have been posting in this thread the whole time wtf

Yui's name was put in, Yui isn't even here. You deserve the train wreck you're gonna get.

I would certainly pay attention to the stream-chat. The more democraic we can make this thing, the better.

I did ask people to nominate noone but themselves, though.

Your articles are shit!

That's why you wrote a nonextant critique.

I've read Capital and Hegel, m8. You couldn't argue shit against me.

Do you want a fucking medal lad?

Nah, you can keep it right where it's at, up your ass, generating endless butthurt.

No reason to get hurt over this. Quality is not always rewarded with popularity.
I think a little humility on your behalf would be nice.

No idea tbh he hasn't even read state and revolution.

kek.

Xexizy X Rebel CONFIRMED!

I TOLD YOU SO!

NOONE LIKES YOU! INTELIGENTSIA!

Stop posting

VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE! THE MORE DEMOCRACY, THE BETTER!

I appreciate your honesty, alas, I must say I'm just 'aving a giggle m8. I'm actually quite a good speaker and I can town it down to 2 from Hegel when it's needed, I just rarely care.

This is why communism will never work. Everyone's ready to kill just to talk to some e-celeb

Also, fuck rebel. He's gonna ruin everything

I'm surprised people are going for rebel tbh, I thought everyone hated namefags.

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could be "the devil(s) you know" type thinking. sure he's autistic, but an unknown user could be even more autistic.

VOTE AND DISCUSS

Who are you again?

Your friendly local dialectician. I into dialetics so u don't have to, though I really wish you stupid fuckers would.

So he's less autistic than xexizy?

You wouldn't happen to be the same anarchoanon who made that prank call to Hal Turner, would you?

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that, i'd say, is up for debate. he is pretty damn autistic. but xexizy used to have a weeb avatar on his yt channel. the autism runs strong in our board.

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jimmy isn't young at all. and he certainly doesn't look turkish

So you're a faggots with a bloated sense of self-importance? How does that qualify you to talk to a TYT personality anymore than the other namefags?

He wrote internet articles bro

Because I don't freak out in live talks, I actually can be entertaining, I can speak common, and I'm not a retard with theory.

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Was he the guy who did the defense of Israel article for Bunker Magazine?

While it would be good if true all I see so far is a butthurt namefag sperging out because an obscure image board didn't want him to represent them.

Yea mate i don't think we can take the moral highground here.

I swear sometimes I wonder if people see the same words I see on my screen. This is why democracy is shit.

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Well you have to admit the world would be pretty cool if everyone agreed with you.

Okay, so…

Who's actually DONE some research on Dore?

I know we're all geeking out right now, but how much do you all actually follow him to understand his reasonings and justifications?

But then I could never have hatesex or buttfuck a lolbert grill.

Thanks fam.
I'm going to try.

We should have some one from each ideology sit down with them.

THIS SO MUCH

leftypol is pretty fucking bitchy and if it's gonna be done in a live stream format there is no reason why we couldn't have multiple people

That said you kinda have to approve this first since you're running the thing

I would prefer not to.

i would prefer not to have one ideology speak on behalf of all of socialism, tbh.

I think the idea is that the interviewers would have to hold the majority of the votes, meaning that it'd have to be OP (a libsoc) and one of the two Marxists.

Yeah, but, just saying that it is nothing but authoritarianism or libertarianism is a false dichotomy. There's many different forms of socialist though, counsel communism, ect ect ect.

I'm not saying it must be done, but, I think it would be nice to not let one or the other dominate the whole spectrum.

That would require too many. We might need another poll to check what people here subscribe too now and pick from that. Whoever actually does the interview better know their shit and have some good questions prepared.

Guys, we can't have a bunch of interviewers.

We are going to have a vote on the questions being asked, so you can at least control the tone and direction of the interview/discussion through that.

By the way

VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE

poal.me/rs9wl4

Hes a fucking idiot.

The one litmus test for the Jimmy lifestream should be no ideological purity or hostility if Jimmy disagrees.

Heard. Jimmy must feel in control of the whole thing, the whole way through.
This is important. We're not trying to indoctrinate anyone. We're trying to have a dialogue.

Agreed this is a nice idea

Well, if we do somthing like that I wouldn't want someone who supports a workers state ONLY explaining that side of socialism.

As I would expect they would not want an anarchist ONLY explaining that side of socialism.

You feel me?

I think we would need someone who we can really trust to tell the whole story.
If that would be the case, anyways.

Whoever ends up doing it, please don't sperg out on idpol. Just try to talk about things in a diamat way, and if any idpol comes up, just criticize it for its thought being based on identitarian ideas and not being materialist enough. Of course do so in a way the normies can understand (no old terminology, just explain what you mean), but the goal shouldn't be to attack idpol or people hearing anti-SJW left exists. The goal should be to get more people to be thinking about things materially, and thus increase class consciousness.

The goal is to get this board out there as a place of 'sane' leftism and not too cultish theory banter.

You start talking about materialism and dialectics and you're going to lose Jimmy boi in seconds (and you'd also just be wrong because materialism really doesn't mean anything if dialectics be realz).

Did n1x accept to do it?

Just don't bring up islam, feminism, liberalism or idpol.

is this op, is this who we want representing us?

I'm defo interested. Any questions anyone want me to ask? I won't do shitpost questions, at least make them meaningful for a social liberal.

Get over yourselves.

Btw would you like to be on the next episode of bunker bantz

If you have any questions come on to bunkerchans IRC channel
#bunkerchan

No worries, I'll make sure to represent all your views fairly.

Maybe talk about issues of racism, hatred of women, Islamophobia type stuff in the context of capitalism; how they are created and encouraged by capitalism. I think that's appealing to the folks as well as highly digestible. Just say people who attack racism/etc without attacking capitalism aren't fighting a productive battle.

Will probably do this. Should I also mention how leftypol wants a return to the classical left as stemming from this?

Its suprising how comfy that book was, i expected dry hard econ but got comfy banter about Mercantilism.

Don't represent mine. I don't want anybody to connect my views to a shameful fuckface like you.

Fine by me.

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Its been 20 hours. Decide already and send him a mail.

It's not twitter or facebook chat. Email can wait.

This. He's an overrated faggot.