Nuit-Debout of Rouen occupies unused building of the city and sets flags on which it is wrote "VIVE LA COMMUNE"

Well what the general state of workers affairs in France at the moment? Who are the big players on the left, and whats the reaction from the right? Is their anything you know of to show international support?

Why do they think this term is cool?
It makes you sound like a total faggot

There have been regular strikes and demos (~1 or 2 per week) against a new worklaw for several weeks now. Also Nuit Debout, a movement a bit like occupy wall street or los indignados appeared first at paris then a bit in other cities in reaction to these laws. It didn't became as huge as the OWS or the indignados though and although surprisingly successful didn't manage to extend outside the usual suspects or even to provide perspectives.

Things have a bit stalled imho but it could be because we are in the eye of the storm : the movement may spread to other part of the society, for example blocus of oil plant have started in some place.

The demo are becoming more and more violent, because of the cops on one side and of what we call 'Autonome" or 'toto' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomism#The_French_autonome_movement on the other side

I'm seriously afraid that someone is going to die.

There is no real big player on the left anymore, even if you include the social democracy and its a big problem.

that page is not working

any good source to follow the events of the Nuit Debout?

their Facebook group. It's in french, tho.

Looks like someone needs to do some pest control.

This is the same hope we had during months of that horseshit that was OWS.

It's pretty interesting how often Occupy-style antics are imitated even though Occupy failed to achieve anything.

Even they were copying from a failed movement in Madrid. The left is semi-lost as far as tactics go.

It could still raise consciousness, though. Maybe. Hopefully.

Yeah, of degeneracy that needs to be purged.

Typical fascists.
Off yourself, Nazis.

Freedom to do whatever the fuck you want, no one will respect you for 'fighting' for that. Learn some respect for your betters faggot, or you will be put in your place.

These people are actually fighting against a labor law that will make workers life harder and that's the only thing you care about?

>you have to submit to slavery like we have, or we will force you into it!
>after all, because I understand that I am worthless and have "betters", the same must apply to you!
Pathetic. Right-wing ideology is literally just the projection of insecurity onto others, coupled with a childlike need to be taken care of in every way.

Unlike you, I'm not a beta fag who thinks there's anybody "better" than me

I think OWS did the exact opposite. It send the message that the Left has no platform and is not "serious".

We're need to get back to a position where we can hurt them economically.

We need*

It's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of reality.

Maybe for betas who like being fucked in ass.

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What, that you're a total piece of shit who wants other people to make all his choices for him? Not gonna argue that.

I didn't know Holla Forumsacks liked liberals so much, how tolerant!

This. Is this really a sign of masses identifying to the Commune, or a minority already identifying to it and trying some agitation to keep the movement alive?

Do you make all your choices independently of other people? No, you don't.

why dont you fags go full accelerationism? nuit debout not becoming huge like OWS is a good thing. remember the rapes and crimes in the OWS? it's only going to bring bad press, plus if it can really change anything a revolution would have happened.

nothings going to change unless you vote trump and engage in a fascist revolution. then it will inevitably collapse like every single radical nationalist movements that have ever existed, leaving way for communism :^)

How does it feel knowing that you have to make shit up in order to win an argument?

Why are right-wingers so fucking beta?

You implied that heavily.

Those leftists are standing up for their freedom against Hollande's government, to which your response is that they should stop because they need to "respect their betters" like you do.

Nuit-debout are assemblies, everything is done after votes and debates

May 68 2.0. when?

Never, communism is dead.

Widespread revolt in Europe, Bernie Sanders in the US, the majority of former Soviet Union wanting it back and Latin America rallying in favor of socialism proves you wrong bucko.

It's not like you had any solid arguments in the first place.

Also

Well, classcucked m'sasenach. *tips*

m8…

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Every revolt whose vaguely socialist and make porky back is good. you're special snowflakes revolution won't come.

it's 2016 and after a century full of failures you still believe that gradualism and reformism are viable strategies?
then revolution won't come at all.

lol the right-wing is revolting in Europe, Bernie fans are declaring that they will vote for Trump, Trump is more popular anyways, most of the former Soviet Union is more right-wing than ever before (just look at Poland), and Latinos are also papists who listen to whatever fanny Francis tells them

The world is shifting to the right friend.

Sounds like you would be okay with nation.al socialist revolts then.

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Poland is former Soviet Union you autist, and Nation.al socialists advocate controlling corporations and keeping them in check via state power. CEOs are afraid of the far-right, and they use the far-left to undermine the far-right. You are a fucking tool of 'Porky.'

to be honest, I think revolution is the only viable outcome, but, well, people are suffering, and going full accelerationism will only make them suffer more. We need to help them as much as possible now.

It's exactly the opposite.

They are not revolting, they are rallying around far-right populists and neo-fascists that only deal wit the one issue problem that is immigration. Only leftists talk about class issues and the corporate takeover of the EU.

Things that never happened, also Bernie beats Trump in every general elections poll.

Poland is undergoing a fascist take over and a lot of people are reacting against it. All of those countries media are muzzled and spout only propaganda. Most Russians want the Soviet Union back, Putins Russia is a poor as fuck totalitarian shithole.

Irrelevant to the point, the Pope doesn't have political power in Venezuela, Cuba, Peru, Bolivia, Argentina etc.

Hardly, the only right wing turn is that Capitalism is becoming more dominant and wants to enforce an authoritarian Chinese model on us. Other than that only people who live in "internet bubbles" like you, don't talk about income inequality and the current corporate domination of the world by the multinationals.

He keeps doing it!

no one mentioned accelerationism though. Making the situation worse on purpose isn't a viable strategy too. Our most important task is to unite the international working class so conscious political action is possible again.

That's literally how Russians perceived the Soviet Union.

top kek.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalgia_for_the_Soviet_Union
Also, not the source here, but russians like every soviet leader except Gorbatchev (Aka Pizza hut leader) and Stalin.

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Go back to Reddit, faggot.

I'm not foolish, Soviet weren't worker related, but in the collective consciousness, it is what people think when you say "Workers government" or, in fact, "not capitalism".

top wew, lad.

Henry Ford sure was afraid of the Nazis, wasn't he? And Hugo Boss was too.

theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/13/bernie-sanders-supporters-consider-donald-trump-no-hillary-clinton

inquisitr.com/3002869/dem-strategist-claims-that-bernie-sanders-supporters-will-vote-trump-if-hillary-gets-the-nomination/

newrepublic.com/article/127442/explains-trump-sanders-crossover-vote

reason.com/blog/2016/05/11/sanders-voters-for-trump

You have no power faggot.

For someone with no political power he has a lot of opinions on politics and a lot of people listen to him.

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And once in power, the classcuckery begins…

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They're neither, they'll use any ideology to their advantage. Both are highly materialistic ideologies with no respect for tradition and family values.

Topkek, I'm glad you agree that Porkies such as Boss and Ford loved fascism so much, and that you're a useful idiot for their profits.

Can't you see that you're being used? That your fears and insecurities are being exploited in order to benefit the capitalists? Holy shit, you can see it, you can actually fucking see it but you're too brainwashed to do anything about it. You seriously, unironically believe that you're fighting against the capitalists even as you post images like these.

The doublethink is real.
Orwell was fucking right.

Pol, get outta there, pliz.

Let's speak about nuit debout again.

Give me one reason why I should care about 'tradition' and 'family values' without referring to moralisms.

These Jews are pretty devious, aren't they? They'll even sabotage themselves financially in order to achieve le wh.ite genocide.

It's what holds society together. Without family values you have no proper entry or respect for society. Family is the conduit between individual and collective, it is the mini-community that we are all raised in. Tradition and custom is the language with which a common culture speaks to itself, without which you have no communication, only alienation.

Since communism doesn't actually work that point is moot.

That point doesn't work in your favour. If communism fails and plunges everyone into poverty, then why would Jews pursue it if they are already the masters of capitalism?

Are you able to define "family values", or will you continue to use nebulous terms such as these in order to justify your intellectually bankrupt ideology with obscure sophistry and petty moralizing?

leftarded idiots commiting idiocy? what's new?

I'm not insecure about people making more money than me. I'm glad to live in a society where people have the right to make money without the mob taking it from them. Most people deserve poverty, and equality as an ideal would only cause mediocrity.

sozializm is big gubbamint and high taxes

And what about people making money with your work?

Corporations use multiculturalism and leftism as a populist tool to get naive youth to throw off tradition and family values and value a materialistic attitude that forgoes any sense of ethnicity.

Only to fascists who project their inability to handle their own affairs onto others.

Finally, some fucking honesty from you people!

holy fucking kek this is rich

Today is a good day

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now try saying something that isn't a meme and doesn't contradict everything else you've said

and so you know

doesn't meet these criteria

Property rights encourage people to cooperate by their right to have something of their own that no one can take from them, protection from the greedy mob. Profits depend heavily on consumer preferences. A firm's owners and investor's get most of the profit and risk. I'm not so arrogant as to assume I deserve something I never spent investment in beyond my labor. My labor is not worth as much as you assume it is. Marx's theory of value is fucking retarded, if I dig a hole to China that doesn't mean someone should pay me for it.

The real tools are the leftists. Corporations use you as a trend and they know your theories are fucking stupid. They're much more afraid of the dreaded racists who would control them through the state.

Guys, stop arguing with this retard, pliz, it's obvious bait.

Now, tell me more about OWS, I wasn't politically educated in those days, and, as an europoors, haven't heard so much about it.

work your way up to Marx fam

Just like every single fucking political system in existence, even anarchism.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

Marx was Plato on crack. He was an eddy contrarian who actually thought abolishing the family and sharing wives and children was a good idea.

Let me find, it's because he was Joowishhhhhe of course.

Capitalists exploit people's fear of the right-wing far more than they do of communism. Most academics are closet marxists, especially in state-funded schools, that's not a coincidence.

I don't care if he was a jew. His theory was inherently retarded.

Yes, exactly, and you are the tool they use to generate that fear! You're a useful idiot, easy to exploit because of your fear of "multiculturalism" and "cultural marxism"!

Come to your senses! Don't be a slave to the capitalists you hate, instead join us in fighting them!

You already understand the truth, you already understand that the capitalist is the enemy. All you need to do is shake off the shackles of your ideology to realize how to destroy him.

You are the one who doesn't care about multiculturalism which capitalists loooove to advocate. You don't think that works to their advantage, you don't think they use leftist rhetoric of muh oppression to advocate for immigration thereby gaining profit through easily exploitable labor whilst undermining the stability of a nation-state? Corporations and the left-wing are both materialistic, the right-wing is against seeing people as merely with or without money, the right-wing sees something deeper, it sees the things that capitalism really destroys, we understand how important patriarchy, family and tradition are and your disdain for it is to 'Porky's advantage.

You are the tool friend, and the rest of us know that communism doesn't work, you just want to pretend the Soviet Union never fucking happened or just wasn't good enough. Don't speak of denial, you are the one who can't accept reality.

This is exactly the ideology I'm talking about! You're letting the bourgeois media frame the debate for you.

Yes, exactly! The capitalist class uses fear to benefit their economic interests. Unlike most fascists, you seem able to look past the "muh race" side of things to the only thing they care about -money.

And the less stable the nation-state is, the easier it is for fascist puppets such as yourself to get in control.

Again, you seem to understand the situation very well. Yet your ideology blinds you and prevents you from doing anything about it.

This is propaganda used by Porky to scare you into advancing his interests.

As Zizek says, the 20th century is over!

To hell with your nostalgia! The Soviet Union failed, but the struggle carries on! We must find a new path to follow in order to secure our freedom!

They do, but why don't they use leftist rhetoric of worker's control, unions, coops and so on? Because it's against their interests.

The capitalists will be perfectly happy to invest in these things. Capitalism is ductile, under a far-right gov they will sell you 88 t-shirt instead of fckh8 ones, but it will still be capitalism.

How many were them for this vote? And who were them?

Depends because there are "Nuit Debout" everywhere in France. In Paris for example people organize in small groups centered around a subject. For example, there is a "numeric group" who gather at a precise hour everyday and talk about computers, privacy, the internet and so on.

Then there is a big assembly when everybody talks about the movement and the struggle in general. There is now a voting process which will allow the assembly to create a program, because until now it's been only theoretical discussions and actions, but no clear proposals. In this assembly, and in the smaller groups, everybody can come and go as they feel like, there is no registrations or party cards.

framacarte.org/fr/map/global-debout_2420#9/50.4566/4.9850

Here's a map of all nuit debout in the world.
I saw the other day a schema of how voting were organized, but I can't find him back.

here it is.

wiki.nuitdebout.fr/images/a/ad/GrafTest.jpg
I'll translate it sometimes if someone is interested in that.

Wait, what the fuck? Did the guy I was responding to in these posts delete his posts, or was he banned? I fucking hope it was the former, because after being BTFO as hard as he was all that banning him would accomplish is giving him the opportunity to make a screencap so he can cry to Holla Forums about "le evil leftists in their safe space".

Actually the chance are not zero although I would not bet all my money on it. The main union start to speak more and more to increase the protests. There starts to be a lack of oil in some place.

The movement which eventually became Nuit Debout started end february/beginning of march march if I remember well.

It's too early to say. Manifestly Nuit Debout didn't manage to spread much for the moment, but people are very pissed off with the government.

first session of nuit debout was the 31 of March.

That's why they use march as the only month in their calendar.

anons, can I believe?

Because of the general liberalized obsession with "nonviolence" and the aversion to inconveniencing anyone in order to prevent "alienating potential supporters to our cause."

You can believe for all the cities but Paris.
In Paris, Nuit debout has been hijacked by confusionnists and other pseudo-left (reactionaries) people who come to sell their shit. The problem is that the hole concept stagnated and led to nothing but mere discussions.
If you look at Toulouse, on the other hand, Nuit debout is occupying banks, mcdonalds, Fnac (mainstream culture shop which has a monopole in France) etc. Same things are happening in Rennes and Nantes, also.
If we want the commune to rise, we must not count on Paris and its false leadership, but on the other cities, villages, so Paris can be neutralised, and thus getting rid of the government and starting a popular uprise.

please ♥

Wasn't the plan of NuitDebout to have some big global event on May 15? Has this already petered out?

4/5 majority threshold is better than 90 % I guess.

100000 hours in gimp.

THE GAS STATIONS ARE OUT OF GAS
THE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES ARE ON STRIKE
REVOLUTION SOON

nice meme eurocuck

I dunno fam according to Third Worldist analysis even this really shouldn't be happening.

POWER PLANTS ON STRIKE

RIOT COPS ARE GETTING MUGGED, SOON THE POLITICIANS
youtube.com/watch?v=QwinQgJLee0

bump, any further good news?

Fundamentally this seems like a failure of leadership, a failure to take the movement to revolutionary conclusion and instead allowed it to peter out, become something that capitalism can absorb. If those is the cities where it was working could come together to work on Paris too, if there was an organization involved, things might look different.

This is very exciting, but people need to realise that a series of strikes and protests does not a revolution make. They are necessary conditions for revolution, sure, but in of themselves they are not revolutions. Again, my point about the necessity of taking things to their conclusions stands.

JUST

daily reminder: READ EVERYTHING PUBLISHED BY THE INVISIBLE COMITTEE TO ABLE TO UNDERSTAND NEW UPRISINGS IN EUROPE/WORLD

ur marxist paradigm is not relevant.

The goverment calls those who do barricades at powerplants and oil refineries as "terrorist" who are "helding hostage" the whole population.

The violences against strikers in Paris, Toulouse, Rennes and Marseille are becoming more and more violent. A disencerclement bomb blew next to a journalist's head and had a whole side of it bleeding.
The cops file strikers by taking pictures of their id's and so on. They even send by mail, or worse, they come visit you, letters saying that certain strikers don't have the right to strike on certain days for X or Y reasons.

Every object that can protect a rioter/striker such as glasses (any sort), gloves, even fucking beanies, helmets etc are confiscated by the police.

But besides all of this, the movement is getting bigger, stronger, and merrier! It's first time I see such a big solidarity here in France.

The only negative point is that the cops are getting more and more armed and violent and we're less and less protected against their weapons. And the organisation of the strikers isn't too good either, unions stay together, and autonomous strikers aren't as organised as them to defend themselves. The whole movement lacks a spark that will light the fire of Insurrection and Revolution.

maybe if the police end up overreaching and seriously injure or kill someone the fire will rise

sadly, police is quite effective. Oil refinery have been retaken by the government and situation come back to normal.
Oil shortage is the fastest way to a collapse of the government.
Also, people need to fight and stop letting police retake wathever they want. In the refineries, they were not even fights.

Rémi Fraisse died two years ago during a strike and nothing happened.
I thought that a serious injury, or death of someone, even it has to be prevented at all costs, would do something, but it hasn't in fact.
The only spark that I see is a total repression against the whole population, not only strikers and rioters.
It's when people have nothing to lose anymore that the fires rises.

fuck
well hopefully the revolutionary fervor boils over soon and there will be a big pig roasting

We can't just hope, comrade. We have to be a part of making it happen

How muxh coverage is this getting in mainstream French press? Any more Comrades in France can report?

Onw of the biggest problems these kind of movements (15-M, OWS, maybe Nuit Debout) have is their unhability to go forward, in the sense that they get stuck in the debate process. At least thats what happened here in Spain and what people tell about OWS. This is a big problem, the constant debate burns down the revolutionary potential. Im no saying these movements and the Movement in general doesnt need debate, it is important, but we need action and direction, words wont seize the means of production, but actions.

Nuit Debout, at least from what I read here, seems to have overcome this dangerous phase, which is very promising. Do not fear action and do not fear to have leaders, they are necessary part of every collective movement.

Spain here, own here they arent talking shit about it in the media, and I can tell you that Spanish media alwsys has an ear North of the Pyrinnees. They are deliberately not telling a thing because things in Spain are really hot right now.

Right now Barcelona is on the edge of chaos. The Police broke down an occupied bank in a working class neighborhood (Barrio de Gràcia). The Banc expropiat (evicted bank in english) gave public services to the people in what used to be a bank office. This is very simbolic in the Spanish context, because onw of the biggest social problems during the financial crisis was, and still is, that pwople were evicted from their houses. In Spain, when you are evicted, you still have to pay your debt with the bank.

People can get hot really fast hwre in Spain if the situation scalates, stay tuned.

In Belgium, we have a big social movement whose appearing. totally from nowhere.
The same fever as in France and Spain is here in Belgium, especially in french speaking cities. The government, whose probably very stupid, want to make a labour law like in France.
Sooooo, this law created in like 24h a huge social movement . the 24th we had big manifestations and, surprisingly, mainstream media are turning to be really left winged.
The goverment is not retarded like in france, and they will probably abandon their law and make some reform for the people. Usually, in Belgium, every social movement is solved with reform for the worker, that's why we are, with scandinavia, a soc dem paradise

In France, the coverage is important, but they only cover the violent acts from the protesters, not from the corps, nor do they talk about the labour law or why people protest. Everything is done to make people think that we're somekind of angry teens who just want to break stuff.

We have not any coverage of what is happening in Spain, here. I saw that the riots were extremly violent, even in France we don't have that level. Keep the struggle alive, companero.

We didn't have anything about Belgium either, only the video where Vandermissen gets a fucking brick to his skull. Nobody said why beglians were protesting.

We should do somekind of international thread on which comrades report what is happening in other countries. I saw that tension rose in Brasil, too. We just can't count on mainstream media, nor counter-media as Russia Today since they only cover what arranges their interests.

Courage to all comrades protesting all around the world.

This is what bunkermag should have been. Not just theoretical analysis but events the mainstream media won't report on

merci

so true.

In fact, we could make it happen, I'm sure the bunkermag admin would be interested in that.

At this point, he would be interested on anything that is OC, tbh.

ouai

Actually I'm able to see the red and black flags from where I'm working and I think it's quite disrepectful to claim an old church only for your own ideology and agenda whatever it may be. I would have understood if it were a factory/office but not a religious symbol that as nothing to do with present context

the building is unused.

SHOOT UN MINISTRE

Rofl. J'en peut plus.
Pour revenir sur le sujet, vais essayer de faire un article sur la situation en Belgique, l'un de vous motivé pour la situation en France ?

Je veut bien essayer mais mon problème c'est que j'écris des textes courts, j'ai du mal à développer. Peut être en s'y mettant à plusieurs entre frenchleftypolacks.

>amirite my fellow kids?
nice narrative

Il y a moyen que l'on s'organise. Il faut l'écrire en anglais pour le bunkermag, c'est ça?
Je peux éventuellement décrire les manifs auxquelles j'ai été.

Oui l'anglais on y coupera pas, on peut utiliser un outil en ligne pour écrire ensemble. Pour l'instant nous somme deux.

Je peux éventuellement aider pour la traduction anglais/français et inversement, si besoin est.

a hon hon hon hon

L'anglais pose pas de soucis pour moi non plus. Reste plus qu'à se contacter sur une plateforme plus pratique, camarades.

Yes, let's. We should all write on local events, national events, that are not being covered. This will get more attention than theory I think

quotidien.framapad.org/p/frenchleftypol

I saw a video that had people all armed with sticks and stuff with red armbands taunting the protesters. Who are those?

The Security guys from worker Unions, mainly CGT and FO. It's not a new thing that they collaborate with cops.

yeah, because that ended so well…

"yeah, because revolutions have ended so well…" - u

All i'm saying is that the way May 68 isn't really a good model for a revolution. It was a lot of reformist kiddo's turning socdem in 10 years as well.

Are they going to murder the next Rosa Luxemburg?

dailysabah.com/politics/2016/05/30/president-erdogan-condemns-police-violence-against-labor-protestors-in-france

Erdoğan trolling France

Disgusting

How do you deal with cops hiding among the rioters?

bump

Most of us are naive as shit and don't think of that.

I could set up/finance a wordpress instance. Because we do need reporting via a leftypol perspective also because mainstream media has a fetish of blacking out.

Rinse and repeat

In Rennes, cops charged towards people blocking a road with their fucking cars, injuring five people in the process.
They don't give a fuck now, they'll do anything to hurt people, even if they have to kill some.

We're going to get crushed if we do not answer by force, but we don't have weapons in every corner like murica.

Wouldn't that make them really unpopular with the public?

I don't know. There are chances that they'll get sympathy. A lot of frenchmen are against the strikes and so on because of the media manipulation. It's such a pain in the ass when you experience all this violence and it gets denied by people only watching tv.

Movement is crushed.
Lumpens go with the "le destruction of people's property" meme.

I think the best weapon is the ridiculazation of the enemy. Like filling a fire extinguisher with paint and spraying them.

Pic related.

That'd be great, but we should focus our energy. Bunkermag already exists. Let's make it better

test

What about throwing balloons filled with paint at them?

As long as it gets the job done! and you have good throwing abilities