Thought Experiment

Thought experiment I brought up on Holla Forums and /liberty/. Curious what the Nazis had to say on it.

Lets say you were given the ability by some occurrence to create a society governed by principles of your choosing. The only exception is it must meet at least one of these two standards:

1) On an economic spectrum, it's the opposite of your envisioned system. (E.G. Capitalist system must be Socialist and vice versa)

Or…

2) On a "power of the government" spectrum, it must be at least two magnitudes higher or lower than your ideal amount of government, magnitude being a relatively subjective term (E.G. Anarchists must create at the bare minimum a "small government" that's subjectively somewhat larger than a minarchy.)

How would you go about this? What laws would you put in place? What safety measures would you enact to protect the integrity of this system/the people in it from corruption?

Other urls found in this thread:

the-generation.net/water-the-currency-of-the-future/
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Also per the Holla Forums thread when a Stalinist asked me…

If we're to assume that on the "amount of government" scale we had various bars and "one magnitude" is assumed to be a bar away from your starting point, then from "least government" to "most government," we'd have something like…

Chaos->State of Nature->Anarchy->Minarchy->"Small Government"->"Smallish Government" (Subjectively Classical Liberalism-levels)->"subjectively average amount of government"->"subjectively larger than average government" (Subjectively current levels in the developed world)->"Subjectively large government"->"Subjectively huge government" ("Stalinism/NatSoc")->Subjectively infringingly huge government ("Fascism")->Pseudo-Slavery->Slavery

What is your excuse to sell to me that this is not a datamining thread?
there is no excuse that will make this not a datamining thread

Holla Forums is about political news and their discussion. Not questionnaires like this.

1) Libertarian National Socialist with No Money.

1) Hmm. How will this work? It won't. You need money. Without money, the world's resources will evaporate over night.

2a) Libertarian National Socialist with power of government two magnitudes greater with safety measures.

2a) I don't need safety measures. Because the government is already perfect.

2b) Libertarian National Socialist with power of government two magnitudes lower with safety measures.

2b) More Guns, More Encrypted Networks.

I got nothing to sell, I was just curious. If you don't want to respond, that's your own decision bro.

Nice tactic for killing the board. I will call you the "Everyone Is Spying Us" Shill.

Government doesn't really matter to us. Saving our race was the only intention of Hilter or Holla Forums in the long run. Because without the race, there is no society beyond primitive or psychopathic anti-natural, anti-reality BORG Jew cubes like Communism wanted to create. So whatever government strengthens the race for now, is the one we want.

The white man's destiny has always been to evolve to the point of being able to protect life on earth and spread it to the start. But you wouldn't know that because you know nothing of National Socialism or Aryan traditions

Anarcho-Fascists

>spread it to the stars I mean.

nope….

And both those sliders presume the effects will apply to all in society equally.

Decentralized Highly-Principled Vigilantes.

Good luck, Batman Brigade.

The economic aspects are not negotiable, because an ideal system would be one without private central banks an debt-free currency controlled by the public. The exact opposite is the shitshow we have today, with our entire system of world finance a tool of global debt slavery. As far as government power is concerned having less of it is hardly a deal breaker.

Water-Based Currency.

Look at all the sages I give.

the-generation.net/water-the-currency-of-the-future/

Look, they're copying Holla Forums's economic platform.

>>>/nigger/

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It assumes the effects will apply logistically.

So if we had a "rich" slider for instance, it would effect a poor man by moving him X magnitudes higher and a rich man would also be moved X magnitudes higher. So subjectively they'd be in the same boat, but objectively they'd be X magnitudes richer.

CNN said 4chan and Holla Forums are alt-right nazi boards.

I was originally gonna say NEETSocs, but I figured then the whole thread would look like your reply instead of having a discussion if I did that.

I hope you die a painful death, and soon

I'd rather barter with soap and lampshades

you use that term, but I don't think you know what it means. also see:

Kek.


You can't just bring everything you dislike down to the lowest common denominator.

Well you can, but it's pretty spergy.

water-backed currency. no bartering.

you fool.

it's kinda stupid since you seem to be pushing the 'compromise is the only way' angle D&C but i'll answer anyway.(and sage)

i pick 2). not sure how you would 'up' a starship troopers style white utopia by factor two. but I'll buy that.

This.
I don't care what government is in place as long as it guarantees the survival of our biological race and its purity.
(most of us are Darwinists, feel free to agree or disagree and have a conversation about it)

In my opinion this means a government that operates in the most naturally durable manner in order to avoid a dull / primitive state.

This means that truth must prevail in it's core that is backed up with undeniable proof. Not backed with feelings and catchphrases that have been crafted by for example Hollywood.

The form of government is not my concern, it is its contents.

Wether it is an (temporarily?) autoritarian regime or something else does not matter. As long as the outcome ensures our existence and that of our next (pure) generations.

I am unable to answer your question in your way, since I'm not sure what type of system is ideal for us in these times.

I'm more preparing myself for the future than thinking about what would be the best type of society.

Perhaps another Holla Forumsack could come up with a satisfying answer.

It's more about shifting overton windows, and seeing if you can envision your ideal in such a way that it would still be beneficial (or capable of naturally moving towards your ideal).

you just keep digging the hole deeper faggot
>>>/reddit/

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If my society becomes a commie shithole, I might as well make it nuke itself.

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sage

yet you didn't sage faggot


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This is worse than an anti-evalion thread.

Please stop spamming.

You don't guy really don't want any meaningful discussion, do you.

Is that really necessary?

You in the boat.

You can filter these retards.


How the fuck would that work?

You can filter the nigger cum you have for breakfast, faggot.

I'd assume under the pretense of water being a precious resource. You could effectively have a "water debit card" where you pull out the amount of water in question when you need it, but otherwise deal with electronic numbers with actual value attached to them.

Introduce a certain atomic level of chlorine or calcium into the water that isn't harmful to humans but will tell you if it's "real" water or "collected fraud" water.

That's pretty much how gold-backed currency worked anyways, so I'd assume water-backed currency would work the same/in a similar manner.

This is all speculation of course since I don't think water-backed currency is a good idea unless the human population increases above 10 billion.

Water is the most valuable limited resource.
Money is worthless without water.

The point of money is to limit resource depletion.

If everything were free, the world would be devoured over night.

It's like gold-backed currency, but more logical. No debt-based economy.

It will work. We won't have a choice. Laugh now, die of thirst later.

Why? Why not now?

I don't see a down-side to water-based currency.

What could be more logical?

Current systems in place subsidize water in such a way that it's considered a cheap commodity in some parts of the world while it's considered a ridiculously expensive necessity in other parts of the world to the point where cactus juice is cheaper.

Until the human population exceeds a certain threshhold (I estimate it to be around 10 billion-14 billion people), or some major event happens that makes access to purified water incredibly difficult, the water currency would flop in areas of high "purified water" density, and be over-inflated in areas of low water density to the point where black markets (such as cactus juice) would arise.

Why?

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nazi party social policies with an-cap economic system

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I like your reasoning. Now it's time to debunk it.

Ideally I'd allow a multi-currency system (water, gold, silver, and resource shares) without restrictions on bartering in order to allow competition between currencies.

Competition between a handful of currencies can effectively prevent one currency from jewing the rest via superinflation/artificial deflation. This is how many feudal kingdoms prevented kikery- by having multiple currencies with different gold/silver values attached, if the kikes fucked with one currency by reducing the gold value to produce more gold coins, currency exchangers would realize it and drop said currency until it stabilized, creating the reverse effect of what said country was trying to accomplish and punishing them on the "global market" (well, multi-country market).

Also, counter-sage.


Interesting concept, but when technology evolves, it might become easier to commit water-fraud, no?

It's not pretence, it' really is the most precious resource but people don't realize it because of the society we currently have.

Very true, but how would you determine it's value?

Kek, I'll give it some thought.
Finally something entertaining to think about instead of imagening what the kike's next move would be.


Let's indeed get a conversation about this since not many others reacted to the OP's question.

THis is what I call positive derailing.

Part of the thought experiment. It gets boring to always ask the "what is your ideal utopian society" question.

It's more fun to ask "how can you turn a non-ideal society into something resembling your ideal society as closely as possible?"

just different words.
what you are trying to do would make sense on FB or twitter or reddit or whatever the goto-socmedia platform is.
we are radicals. overtton window is for faggots and normies. we are the ones who are making fascism great again

THis leads to manipulation of it's value, no,
Would it not be better to have competition between products instead of currencies?

Being extremists just causes a shift in the overton window towards your ideal.

This is a well-documented argumentation/action method used by the left.

Extremism is alwas needed at some point, otherwise balance would not be possible.
One side of extremism needs an equally strong counterpart in order to have balance.

The more extremist the left becomes, the more extremist the future reaction will be.

Either in smashing the left or nature resetting the deal.

I'm assuming that was supposed to be a question.

I think the vast majority if not all systems will have someone trying to manipulate values somewhere, so it's better to make value-manipulators fight each other rather than give them the chance to gang up on one currency.


Competition between products is good assuming the laws don't prevent the products from competing, I'm just making the assumption that a currency is just a product that holds its own monopoly for one reason or another (these are usually the "what makes a good currency" answers).

Looking forward to it.

As a heads up I've gotta go pick up my little bro from band camp, so I might disappear for an hour or two.

that's not how it works
this is meaningless

National Socialism

Good thinking, however it might be useful to think about a way to limit the value-manipulators to only one currncy at a time. Otherwise when they play both sides it would create a disadvantage for those not in power.

This, but the preception of its value should be fixed. Or the value must be quantifyable.


I'm almost going to sleep, will answer again before work tomorrow.

counter-sage

This isn't a fight you can win.

One Water Dollar = One Liter of Fresh Delicious Water

Agreed.

I don't need to. It will fall apart on it's own. Why waste the time?

jews

are you really trying to deny that it is real?
of course extremists can help to shift the OW but to assume that is the only goal or that PC fags had any say would be terribly naive

Applepie

So you're saying a water-backed currency would obliterate shady water business? Good.

Lefties like to call extremists "bad", thinking they can shut down others for disagreeing.

Extremists set the direction or a starting impulse for the pendulum to go back to the balance-point, and are mostly not maintained long enough.

Also it is wise to set a limit for when to call someone "extremist".

One for the position of the balance-point (what is considered to be the point of equally mutual agreement), only one too extremist side will still cause inbalance.

To for the amount of "extremism", depending on how far the pendulum has to go in order to start swinging back.

Why should i restrict myself or my choices. If i want a certain type of thing, then i should work for it until it's done how i want it done. Either find a way or make one, it's that simple.

*Two for the amount of …

* Lefties like to call extremists "bad", thinking they can shut down others for disagreeing. Not realising they easily become the extremist ones creating the need for extremism from the opposite side.

I'm not an extremist, I'm an Idealist! Take that! I'm an over-educated prick too!

Restriction of yourself can be a tool for making progress in some (limited) situations. Mostly these involve other people.

Sometimes it is wise to work with the system, but in this case it's not mandatory of course.

You can entertain a thought in a limited virtual environment and go along with the thinking while still adding something 'out of the box' afterwards or alongside.

It's like math, you think virtually 2+2=4 but can think about the practical implications and see if there the thinking process needs improvement.
For example if you need additional information about the value of the number "2".

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But still, I'd take the first option and have natsoc with capitalism (natcap?). It's not ideal, but having a strong nation-state should mean being able to restrain the worst problems typically caused by capitalism.

US Military Seizes Fresh Water Supplies.

Regulates Water Purity.

Becomes National Resource.

Cuts-off economic ties with other countries, slowly takes over the World's fresh water reserves.

Everyone else BTFO.

Water backed currency could be manipulated by central banks in the same way that fiat currency is, fractional reserve water scamming could siphon water from everyone but the elites. The potential for abuse with water backed currency is too damn high, fuck that. There is no evidence that metal backed currency, or commodity backed currency does anything to stop kikery, because commodities can be manipulated just as easily as pure fiat and with water backed currency elites could siphon most of the worlds water with fractional reserve schemes like they do with our wealth currently. Not to mention that efficient desalinization would be hyperinflationary to the point of disaster, the second the oceans water can be efficiently desalinized without being to costly the currency inflates by literally orders of magnitude and causes worldwide weimar effects. This means that water backed currency would create massive incentive to avoid finding new water resources or developing technologies to supply more water, artificially enforcing scarcity of water resources and accomplishing the exact opposite of what a water backed currency would intend.

As long as the nation is 100% pure white then any government will work. No non whites. No race traitors. No half breeds.

Water-Backed currency will provide incentive to stop the bullshit. No more fucking with our currency, no more fucking with our water. Kill two birds with one stone.

I find this to be a meaningless exercise because there are a myriad of policies that are all or nothing Yes-No propositions like the Bank being controlloed or not controlled. Communism is essentially shoehorning in a communal standard of living on a mass scale and anything that doesn't do that via "distributing the wealth equally to all" is inherently not Communism (all are equal everybody is the same and so we should all share the wealth equally or whatever), Fascism is a rigid hierarchical structure that is insular and protectionist in it's strict economic control policies. The opposite of this isn't Communism but is in fact Capitalism where the government doesn't step in to control private enterprise at all. Contrary to this though any system that strictly controls private enterprise is the opposite of Capatilism and Communism and Fascism is just two systems that controls the private sector strictly and isn't the only type of political system to do so. To take this whole train of thought into it's logical conclusion you'd end up with a relationship chart that is interesting but means nothing. A political system is named after it's policies and the reasons why those policies were enacted but the "ideal" system should be what would actually works for your circumstances.

Except banks, fuck em'.

Of course you will get restricted along way by something, you will be limited in your choices and then you need to find another way to keep going, and yeah you should think about and predict those to solve those problems, but your endgoal aways stays the same. So why should my endgoal be restricted or different? What's the point of imaginating some Society only halfway done the way you want it, why stop there? It's just doesn't make any sense.

Multiple choice boxes or forced complications are simply nonsense when it comes to your endgoal. They are only useful in problemsolving, i.e. before you reach your endgoal.

You just described the required laws for any currency. Once again, this will force the government to properly regulate the currency.

And guess what. Anyone who limits the water supply will be charged with genocide.

We're tying genocide to currency manipulation. That's what it is anyway, and they're currently getting away with it.

You're right. We need an abstract debt-based currency. That will fix the Jewish problem and the water problem.

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