The centralization of the most open platform

ITT we discuss how this massive centralization of the web in few hands (Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, etc.) came to happen and what needs to be done to dismantle it.

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problem solved.

Nothing needs to be done to dismantle it. If normies want to use Facebook, Google, Twitter, Etc. then let them. If they begin to open their eyes and attempt to secure their privacy, it is likely that it will encourage these large websites to try even harder to steal your data.

the solution is in front of you. Don't use non-federated Internet platforms. If you can't keep reaching people without switching provider then the platform is effectively an interoperable monopoly.

non-interoperable

Talk more about your pic, OP.

Is this link distance, or IPs who visit both, or what? I love graphs like this, you can look at things unassociated with google/faceberg/etc and find some cool and unique shit.

It's concentrated in one hand. It's one company where Apple, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Twitter etc are the divisions. They operate in concert on too many things for it not to be.

I entered the address of a gun related forum I know and right around it were a few more gun/outdoor activity related boards so that sounds about right. Amusingly enough, also nearby were san-diego-beaches-and-adventures.com and visitcalifornia.com.

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What happened wasn't the centralization of the web, it was the replacement of standardized protocols that once complemented the web with idiosyncratic privatized services inside the web. Before the great normalfag invasion of the 2000s, the internet (and other pre-internet networks) used separate protocols, with separate interface standards, and separate client software.

Changing the underlying IP layer as suggests won't fix the total lack of standardization or interoperability, you'll still just be pushing around black box traffic inside the miniature OS that web browsers have been perverted into.

The only other protocol that still really exists separate from a Javascript web 2.0 perversion on top of a locked in private back-end in any way is email, and even that has seen the almost total extinction of native standalone clients in favor of webmail interfaces during the last few years. The only new protocol with any degree of standardized interoperability to be introduced since the '80s? Text messages, which specifically don't exist on the public internet, instead being a vehicle to trick people into paying real money for 1/1-billionth of a Youtube video's worth of data.

There is, however, a silver lining. If "app-ization" as described in this thread happens, it may result in ecosystems of meta-apps for similar services that would eventually form legitimate standards, restoring balance to the force, and turning web browsers back into just hyperlinked document viewers.

It can't be dismantled, that's how social networks work.

Most of those services lowered bar needed to use some internet services compared to things we had before.
Facebook -> Just type name of person in search bar and you can communicate with him/her.
YouTube -> Easy to upload videos, no need to set up server or mess with FTP. On receiving end, no need to download video, no need to worry about video formats or encoding used.
Twitter -> Low entry bar for discussions, you are limited to 144 characters so no one expects more than one sentence. If you compare it with blogs where you had to write at least a few paragraphs of content this is really low bar.
Gmail (and other webmail interfaces) -> no need to input those "confusing technical things" like ports and protocols used
Dropbox (and similar services, like Google Drive) -> simple interface for sharing files, no need to mess with FTP or servers

When you discuss those questions you really need to look things from POV of someone who sees computers as magic and is afraid that computer will break if he/she changes some options in some random program.

To dismantle it you need to create easy to use software with nice looking interface. Most computer users do not care what API you expose, what protocol you use to download file or how decentralized your infrastructure is.
All they care about is end-result of using your software (that other person gets message they send, that they can see funny cat video that everyone is talking about, etc) and how much effort they have to put into getting to that end-goal.

Relevant. I'm going to cross post this to the IPFS thread.

It's funny, because part of the reason this happened is that internal corporate networks started blocking all direct traffic except port 80/443, and even that was probably going through proxy server. They did this for "security" reasons, but now the result is every browser is an overcomplicated monster that will never come close to being reasonably secure, because everything about it is just insane. And so, all those other protocols that would have been handled better and more securely with simpler dedicated clients are now instead shoved through http, and browser gets bigger and more complicated every year. It's kinda like the opposite of Unix! Shove everything inside this one program...

Nice analogy- Web is to the internet as Systemd is to Unix.

It's certainly true a lot of the blame lies in the stultifying paucity of change in most of the old protocols. As a devotee of Macs from before OS X, I was constantly frustrated that every internet protocol was designed around a TTY interface with the expectation of running on a multi-user *N*X mainframe operated by a full-time sysadmin, so any GUI had the non-native stink of sitting atop a clunky CLI program with oddball encoding problems, and configuration was as far from automatic as possible.

After they were introduced, none of these protocols were redesigned or replaced with something more user-friendly for decades, and upgrades to any one of them were nearly nonexistent. This ultimately happened with the web as well, where HTML and later CSS bogged down as active projects causing all development to shift to plugins and then JS.

Even on the OS side, we've been stuck with decrepit *N*X, VMS (and, until pretty recently, C/PM) knockoffs for all the major platforms.

These technical problems that force people to bypass the proper way of doing things don't deserve all the blame though, since even on the back-end, websites by Google, Yahoo, MS, Twitter, Facebook and the like could agree on open APIs for common services that would allow different websites (even multiple competing 3rd-party front-ends) to access each others' services.

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Hello again polska, must be cold up north in the run up to christmas eh

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10 Days with My Devil (mobile app) is good imo. I've played four of the boys and they all have their own unique feel to each story and the others' interactions with the main is surprisingly different with each guy you chose.

Too much Mystic Messenger and this is posting game recs from what I can tell

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IT'S YOUR FUCKING JOB TO GIVE THEM 'NORMAL' SERVICE. IT IS UP TO THEIR DISCRETION TO GIVE YOU A TIP. FUCKING AMERICANS WITH WEAK WORK ETHICS REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Probably among the average user base of this board. Not in the real world.

The best way I can explain what is happening on the Internet right now is that we have a bunch of people who do not have plastic minds.
They come home every day and do the exact same thing.
They open firefox, they go to facebook or they go to youtube and browse funny videos XD
They do not care about finding anything new or learning anything new because their minds have essentially dried up from their jobs.
They are the average people, average people don't like to shake the boat, they simply want to do what is acceptable.

You people are privileged in having computer skills.
You have to understand that a lot of these people have no idea how the internet works.
If they open a certain website they will be "hacked"
They are afraid that if they go on the wrong site they will be arrested.
Facebook / reddit / youtube gives them a place they feel safe so they return day to day.

The only way we can save the internet is if we make data selling of their users illegal

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it's shit

Sounds about right.

Ipfs is shit

http is shit

everything is shit

Keep in mind that it was generated using data from 2011, though it seems like they may update the sites you can select with more recent data given how some of the circles don't appear to be the right size for the amount of users.

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