Need some help here, faggots

John Muir could be cool.

Fucking cool story. Thanks a lot, man.

Might as well go with George Soros at that.

For, like, loving trees? Or there are specific stories worth checking up on him?

americans desire financial and social success. when this is blocked by approved means they push on to unapproved means. the young male feels he must gain status to gain reproductive success.

many "heroes" of American culture are lionized because they rejected the social constrictions that would keep them from succeeding.

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So I take it that you're looking for some more controversial characters?

Whoops, posted William Walker instead of Kaczynscki by accident.

this always struck me as a bit contradictory

This is my hero

He made the bombs from scratch using shit he found or bought at local stores in bumfuck Montana. His rationale was that even without modern "oversocialized" civilization there would still be people who could make basic stuff like gunpowder with just the tools that were built by hand, much like how there were chemists and blacksmiths in the Wild West.

I don't really think there's a contradiction, since he only opposes industrial society, not basic science.

Well I guess you're not looking for an /out/ type then…

Interesting. Although it does raise a point that makes me curious… why in the American culture (at least films and the like) the well-off characters are usually portrayed as complaining all the time, and unsatisfied with their bourgeois life, and the low middle-class dudes usually seem cool and proud of whatever they do have?

Not necessarily controversial, although that's cool as well. It's just that if I do simple research is all Martin Luther King and some Natives that show up. I don't know if it was all lies, but I grew up in the 90s and at least then I didn't think of the US as a bunch of darkies, and that the greatest achievement in the American mind was just complaining for muh rights.

That William Walker guy seems absolutely great, to be honest. Francis Yockey I knew already, great guy. Will read more about Kaczynscki, but mailing bombs may be hard to portray as an aspiration, I guess.
Nice story, just might not fit here.

I'm thinking icons, really, but icons for white-American, decent people. Not fucking Beyonce.

Why a lot of serial killer have really docile eyes? Is it just to get to the victims, or something real about them?

Fucked up clicking in the post as I was answering

The middle part of should be responding to this.

I may be, but literally all I could find so far about him is that he defended trees and created reservations or whatever. You've got to agree it does sound somewhat stale…

Teddy Roosevelt and Andrew Jackson are bkthe certified badasses.

t. statist

I'll give you some insights I may have gleaned. Consider the archtype of the Continential Op which was created by Dasheill Hammett based on his real world experinces.
Also considered that most writing are middle class and attack the rich while praising the poor. Is this because there are more poor to buy the pulp or because this is the plot of most farces and most modern films are just rehashed farces?

Then it's definitely the early industrialists you're looking for, as well as American inventors such as Edison, Tesla, the Wright brothers. You'll also want to explore prominent writers such as Hemingway, Mark Twain and F. Scott Fitzgerald, as well as politicians such as Roosevelt and Jackson, as mentioned by a poster right before me.

I have difficult seeing much of Hammet on more recent American stuff, but I'll try to keep that in mind watching stuff.

I was thinking more rom-com crypto Jews complaining about being bored with their sex-life and not satisfied with how big their television set is.
I never thought the writers behind that type of stuff were people with financial problems.
Also, is that stereotype false, there's no relation with American reality?

Vanderbilt crushes all other in that he delivered a better product at a lower price and didn't cheat anyone to get it.

I get the political examples. But would scientists and writers really be in the mind of the average man?

They should be more important than politicians as role models. The Wright brothers BTFO their opposition by building a working plane, for example. Everyone ridiculed them for saying man can fly, until they made man fly. That's the epitome of the American spirit
If that isn't inspirational, I don't know what is!

Red Harvest is about coruption and what happens when a leader trades for power. They've retold it many times but usually leave out the corruption. I wonder why?

rom-coms are not going to advance anything. rom-coms are to get people laid on dates, they have a formula of meet, connect, misunderstanding, less happy apart, overcome
the misunderstanding and get back together for happiness.
They are not horatio alger stories.

The individual is the heart of america, not the masses who can't dream. Pursuit of happiness so the few can achieve thier potential without being held back by the many.

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Exactly, the retarded masses can go suck a bag of dicks while the brilliant soar above them.

Thanks a lot, man! Considerations like that help to no end…
You fucks are a really complicated people, mentally, but arepretty easy to categorize too fast, because of all the stereotypes us foreigners deal with even before meeting any real person from America, and just miss a bunch

As a general structure yeah, sure. But that nagging thing the characters have did seem real with some Americans I've met. Not saying you are all like that, but I find it hard to believe that is an entire fabrication, especially after a lot of your women have been all over the world news wearing pussy hats.

sterling hayden is an american archtype.

on the rom coms, any truth there is just to setup the next joke. But on that check out Bridesmaids as there are some good social critiques in there about weddings and modern women.

a big thing is that the image males and females were present with have changed but there is no path to the new way. in the past people were told oit is enough to provide for a family but now thereare many more concerns, mor places to fail and the average person doesn't know how to act.

video clip unrelated.

That's not America, man, that's the entire West unfortunately. If you're anywhere near your thirties, all the values you were taught as positive in the 90s make you a literal monster to today's culture.

Will watch. I like finding interesting bits in stuff with a total shitty premise.

Great actor. Since we're at that, what would you say for W. Holden's character in Sunset Blvd as American archetype?

36, turning 37 this year. right on the cusp of gen X/Y. I've been an outlyer most of my life. I have ben lucky to have not chosen any path that would force me into compromise.

Holden in Sunset Blvd is an american acrhytype of the person trying to succeed and failing to something comfertable but also degrading, not just in what he is asked to do but what he must turn himself into to fit into the choice he has made.
consider Holden's character chooses the easy way when he could have kept at it and gotten the young girl. but if he had not disappeared would the young girl still be after him?
Sunset Blvd pulls from Billy Wilder's own experince of having to degrade himself to survive and may also be a comment on hollywood in that. it defintly attacks hollywood in its treatment of older starts with the "waxworks" scene.

But I think the archtype is also the young man trying to make his way in the world. a tragic Bildungsroman or a middleaged screenwriter.

compare Sunset Blvd to "In a Lonely Place"

speaking of Holden consider "The Wild Bunch" and what is perferable to changing into something you can't respect.

and what happens when manufacture hysteria posions the mind of someone in charge?

benjamin franklin.

28 here and have managed to not compromise either. Don't think I could if I tried. On minor things, yeah sure, fuck it. But on what I consider to be the greatest change from the world I grew up in and what we have now, no, I couldn't. Because that would be, to put on very simple terms, saying that loosing is better then winning. It's what define the zeitgeist, and I couldn't force myself to see through those lens if I wanted to.
It's like another guy that I think signifies America in a way, Boyd Rice said:
Nature is Fascist.

Hm, are you a fisherman by any chance?

Yeah, clearly he's failing, but what I thought could mean the archetype you;re describing is his drive. In a way, going the comfortable way in his case is also wanting so bad to succeed that he's somewhat blind to how degrading it is.
The machine speaks so loud that he can't hear anything else.

But he also mentioned how his mindset and experiences had found a perfect home in America, and his 'heroes' had a double-face of himself and what he saw as the American spirit.
The Fortune Cookie I think best exemplifies what you're saying about Blvd, the guy really going into the lowest to try and get what he believes he's due.

One of the best films ever, in my book.

The perfect argument to not get too sympathetic for Holden's drive in Blvd. Being a tragic character has a lot to do with circumstances but ultimately you do choose if you're going to fall into that, or rebuild stuff your own way, whatever it costs.

Dylan Klebold, Eric Harris, Based Stick Man, Based Chink (Cho Seung-hui), Elliot Rodger
B E T A U P R I S I N G

Here's hoping you're one of the guys who will write the history of this time period, in a few years.

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t. AnCom nigger.

for me its lanky kong

intelligent, nihilistic, and with a WICKED sense of humor

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what, did they put a gun to your head and force you to take a mortgage?