Anarchism?

What do you guys think of anarchism? I have like two friends who are very much supportive of it. Can't be a fad because these guys give quite intelligent arguments for it.

I don't know a lot about different ideologies and such. I majored in physics and stuck to it. I only just now learned what NAFTA is and does in explicit detail or instance.

Why are you friends with middle school kids? You underage too?

Anyone who is an Anarchist is incredibly shortsighted. It will only last a week until a group of people say "I'm not a big fan of the Mad Max style gangs that fuck my shit up, let's make a community with rules and where we all chip in for protection." And just like that a libertarian community is formed.

I could support anarchism if it got a bit more organised and added some rules.

Are you sure you want anarchism edgelords? Because I will find you and rape you anally. I will also rape your mother anally. Because I can and I'm stronger than you.

No we're all 24. Nice meme though

Well the main idea is that a lack of government would be a lack of imposed will on peoples' self interest. It seemed they gave me some idyllic endgame where people form a federation or 'agreement' to not attack each other and to be able to run their businesses as they pleased. Homesteading would also be a thing and would allow proper distribution of property.

Combine nationalism and guns rights and you got an unbeatable state.

Let me know when you meet your higher self

Anarchy BTFO

I took some political and economic classes and I will help break down why it is a shit system.
Ask yourself why this is a good. Are your friends OK with murder being fine along with pedophilia, rape, child soldiers, and no regulations anywhere including ones concerning the environment?
Absolutely retarded. Man is naturally evil. Man is greedy and power hungry. He will not simply say "I have my fill" and leave you in peace.
Why not just be a libertarian?
How does proper distribution of property fit into anarchy?

I'm gonna be honest, your friends probably just say they are anarchists to be cool and different. Have them take a look at any African shithole where anarchy truly exists.

Learn to sarcasm m8
Your autism is showing

What's stopping foreign powers from invading to gain territory and steal resources?

What is to stop religious fanatics like Muslims from creating their own communities to enslave people and expand like they did in the middle east after the collapse of the Roman empire?

What's to stop multi billion dollar drug cartels reigning terror upon the people?

What's to stop the "nation" to become another Somalia?

People strive for hierarchy and order, the weak strive for protection from the strong. Their wet dream won't last very long.

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Anarcho-Capitalism has punishment up to and including death for ANY violating of others rights. Environmental regulation fits in neatly with tort law, you cannot pollute property used by others.

I think your vegan fries are overcooked and disgusting, just like your political "philosophy".

So there idyllic end game was pic related.
Is there a possibility that you could present some of your friends arguments, so we can determine his reasoning and way of thinking?


I take issue with this not because that the later part is wrong just because if these are our natural characteristics then they're not necessarily evil I'm not sure if you really mean it in that way or not but it's definitely a problem to think aspects of our natural selfies to be evil.
Thinking in this way could cause us to suppress aspects of our nature witch will manifest it's self in a worse way, so I think we should design our society to accommodate all aspects of being human in mind, in a way were we get the best balance of freedom and safety.
What do you think?

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OK HERE

When we talk about rights, what rights are we talking about?
Am I to presume the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?
If so that's ok.
It covers rape, pedophiles raping children and murder; you're right, the owned property would be protected by what ever means the owner saw as necessary to protect the environment.
Unfortunately some of the things that aren't covered by this are children consenting to sex to whom ever they please, now that may seem all well and good but let us not forget the use of verbal coercion and duress.
This would also allow for child solders providing they gave consent.
Does a parent hold dominion over there child? according the human rights, No, the child would have to make decisions for it's self and there for would be held responsible for it's decisions (witch would allow for consent to anything accept slavery).
The parent will be in control of them for the most part because the child is unlikely to separate from there parents control early on, unless the child them self say what they want to do something and no one has the right to interfere with that in accordance to the UDHR or face punishment that may include death.
The laws that prevent things like this are subject to the country and not included in the UDHR.


So now let us consider that if one were to stop any one from engaging in any of these the Rights™ They could face "punishment up to and including death for ANY violating of others rights."
Besides the death aspect to that it's at least consistent with the UDHR, if you were to try and stop some one from having sex with your child you could be put to death despite attempting to act in the best interests of your child.

In the case of some one littering your property if you stated that the punishment for such a crime (it is because You are entitled to property and "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home
or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has
the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks." to quote the UDHR) is death, you are then braking a human right so if you kill that person so you also get killed (potentially, by some one).


To your point responding to man being greedy and power hungry, it may not be a good argument for government but at least it addresses the idea that people my take more then they need thus creating a large divide similar to what we already have except that these people may have more power to exercise there force the lager they get.

In regards to the economic side of things it's not my strong suite and I know for a fact there is corruption in government that allows for our cash to leek out into the wallets of certain people but is it possible that one of the reasons we pay more now is to accommodate for the upkeep of a lager group of people and other amenity's not all but at least some of the reason.

Homesteading would allow some one to claim extremely large portions of land and not let any one on it; with a large population this would be a problem, creating a larger divide between rich and poor, this usually creates a worse culture and thus worse society.
Also if you accidentally stayed on some ones huge property with out you knowledge you could be punished with death, for arguably disturbing the environment and thus destroying the property.

A few questions can people make there own laws on there property and can they enforce them?
If a privet court lays down a fair ruling then one would assume that they would have to make a ruling in accordance to the laws of the area.


Perhaps you need to elaborate on the laws of this society.

All fries are vegan bro, even fast food fries are vegan as long as they're cooked in vegetable oil, which most fries are.

Holla Forums isn't the place to learn about anarchism, bro. I recommend Holla Forums to discuss such matters on. They accept anarcism into their leftist spectrum in addition to socialism, communism, etc. Best of luck.

anarchist society has no military

they would always be at risk of getting fuckin rekt

leftists don't talk about real anarchy

they think that "workers councils" hanging a farmer for the crime of hiring a farmhand is anarchy

Anarchism makes no sense, out of disorder comes order. Someone will create government in a void, they will be effective and win.

Anarcho-anything isn't anarchism, it's just edgy-anything.

exactly user. It's total malarkey. But what I really meant this thread to be about is ancap

I think thinking about it is a huge waste of time because it will never become reality.

Anarchy is a transitional state and all the benefits of permanent anarchy that anarchists tout can be achieved without abolishing the state.

Libertarianism in general is dumb but anarchism is the dumbest of the dumb.

Don't listen to the rest of these ragamuffins ITT; egoist anarchism is the only way to go

Well if the world faces a global economic crisis the worst we've ever seen it might go that way.

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Every system, even the lack of it, can work if done right. Humans, however, are terrible at executing them exactly "right", so a system that tolerates or specifically has a way to handle a lot of fuckups is pracitically better even if theoretically far inferior. Anarchism is such a beautiful idea because it assumes humans would function beautifully, without having to force them to do so. However the systems which work the best use a great deal of control. Do I like that? No.

That said, here is a different thoght: I like the idea of anarchy were it to work. But I also know the kind of humanity it'd take for it to work. I am not saying this type of humanity cannot exist. But I have met the kind of people who support anarchism: They just are not this type of human.

It is sad, really, it frustrates me a lot to say this, but in order for the system we use to handle humanity to change to something more humane first humanity itself has to become more humane.

But how can it learn to do so when it grows up not to be human, but to be a machine?

We might be past the point of no return.

Bruh I grew out of anarchism when I was 19.

Stirner isn't even left-wing, he's just a troll.
Egoism is literally autistic but it did get Marx supremely butthurt so it gets points for that.

They do not have intelligent arguments in support of anarchism. You are just retarded.

and?
You mean "figuratively."

Also, all forms of government are anarchy. I hope it doesn't need to be explained to you.

No, I mean it is actually, in the literal sense of the word, autistic.
So nothing especially, it's just amusing that Holla Forums loves to spookpost when Stirner would say they're just as spooked as right-wingers. Tactical nihilism, I guess.

But being autistic is an anthropomorphic trait, you are committing a 'Pathetic Fallacy.'
There's this thing called "I agree with some points and not with others" you know…

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