GNU/Linux

I still have Win7 (pirated).
Today they told me my "upgrade" to 10 was scheduled for the 18th. I canceled it and got on with it.

The moment I am not able to cancel it anymore, I'll move to Linux.

I hope they have a better video editting program now. Gimp is great. Most games are nowadays compatible.
Onlt actual reason for not moving is … lazyness.

vidya has always been a valid criticism of ganoo fig newton.

I run debian and windows 7. I've always loved windows, but Microsoft fuck ups combined with games finally getting released on Linux means I probably won't be using it much longer.

Vidya and their limitation to platforms, is the greatest tools of bourgies to control that aspect of the market.

The market is SO FREE that you have to have a PS4 to play Last of Us.

The market is still literally hundreds of times larger than most gaymertards said it would be a few years ago.

Your pic is also a shitty attempt to troll, it's a GNOME issue on Fedora from 7 years ago.

paper thin arguments just like your API

No

In ROS you can run games without issues, you can even run DOS games natively

The problem isn't the lack of games but the fact that in the same hardware and in the same game Linux will underperform.

This isn't 4/g/, you can't just pull statements like that out of your ass and call it banter. When Valve ported all of their Source stuff to Linux, most of it ran noticeably faster.

OS X greatly underperforms, but even hobbyists NEETs can code circles around the scrawny hipsters at Apple.

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kdenlive is okay. it actually renders straight to webm, which is a pain in the ass for sony vegas! however it's pretty clunky in comparison.

is like the
of software socialism.

who cares. we have pci passthrough now. fuck off.

See this vid youtube.com/watch?v=LBIFHo03V-4

Full-on tilfoil freetard here, avid libreboot and Debian user. Feels good to finally be able to run a computer with no closed source spyware (not even BIOS) at all. Too bad it's limited to a few laptops from nearly a decade ago. libreboot.org/docs/hcl/index.html#supported_list .

Any other full-on RMS-level freetards here?

From the comment section of the video

This is why people will never see beyond their ideology.

Windows is a monopoly.
It is desinged to be a monopoly and cannot not be a monopoly.
Some thing can only be monoopolies.

This is why some things are not suited for the "free market".

Gaming entertainment systems, have to become standarized and universilised.
I'll even go as far as to say that there should be on, state issued PC model, updated by the state and even working on cloud, if possible.

We need to take all limitations and freedoms into considaration, as we do for all other products and so on that we discuss here and on the left in general.

Your evidence is a YouTube channel?

Linux games can run quite better with modern APIs. They often don't because game devs are fucking clueless without DirectX. Valve hired some actual experts on the matter and had no problems with porting Steam and Source.

It's no different from PC versions of multiplat games being shit because devs only know how to work with consoles.

Fuck off with your ReactOS. It's literally Wine running on top of a shitty incomplete attempt at reverse-engineering Windows NT.

Nobody gives a shit about it. Therefore:

-the kernel is going to be fucking packed with undiscovered bugs
-it's going to be slow as shit vs. linux which gets billions of R&D poured into it by HPC companies
-the driver support is going to be fucking tiny unless you install proprietary drivers, the exact fucking cancer you were trying to escape in the first place

Additionally:

-being windows, it can only run windows programs, unlike linux + wine, which can run both sets of programs
-maximizing windows compatibility all the way down to the core means submitting yourself to all the braindamage that windows created, not limited to: virus vulnerability, registry hell, drive letters, NTFS fragmentation, the shitty command prompt, insane memory usage from excessive static linking, and DLL hell
-since the OS design is so shit, and additionally doesn't have a history of being free software, you're not going to be able to get anything done on it without installing a whole host of proprietary crapware tools and utilities like antivirus and backup that will spy on you and get you to pay for their shitty services; no simple, libre tools here.

If you actually went to the trouble to look up experimental data to back up your assertion, you would find Linux+Wine+correct drivers is usually marginally faster than Windows native.

"I'm trying to pretend like I know what an API is!"

the same "hybrid kernel" design that put scrollbars and font rendering in the kernel, I assume? This explains a lot, actually. You wouldn't have these opinions unless you had a huge propensity to buy into marketing bullshit.

Let's discuss.
boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html
boingboing.net/2012/08/23/civilwar.html

If you mean that as "a remote place you can store encrypted backups of your data on", then sure. Or maybe a way to use up idle time/storage on your trusted acquaintance's computers in order to run your physics/socialist model simulations, that's also fine. But if you mean it as a convenient way to store your unencrypted data on a remote computer controlled by someone you don't trust or even know, then no thank you~

I despise any licenses weaker than GPL3.

AMA.

The issue is Linux underperforming not W having a monopoly
And that is why I shill ROS, if you want freedom in a system that works go for ROS but as long you defend linux with the excuse of hardware developer going for the most common machine you will come off as defensive

This argument only makes things worse

because it's still on beta duh

The russian goverment started to pump money into ROS and that has speed up the development

So you moved to linux to NOT use your hardware? the whole point is to be compatible with propitarian drivers.

Running windows natively programms is the whole point linux programs will be an after tought because ROS aims to compete with windows not with linux

So what? ROS is libre, go patch those whole yourself if they annoy you so much.

again the whole point s being able to run propitarian software plus how long have you been using Linux? Windows has a very large catalog of free software available and viruses aren't an issue like they were 10 years ago

Not according to my sources

I know what an API is I'm referencing the fact that there isn't an standarized *nix API

Muh scrollbars is not an argument unless you want to hear "Scrollbars in the kernel? Maybe that is why it is more efficient"

Well that's not very great. The previous posters argument still stands, if we aren't creating a community that promotes free software, we're not going to have very many people using free software, and people will only continue to blindly follow down the path of proprietary software, even if their operating system is free. Just because the "point" is to continue running proprietary software doesn't make it justified.

Not an argument. Plus can't patch the shit in the proprietary drivers that ROS is "supposed" to run.

OK. What's your computer setup (hardware&software)? What kind of leftist are you?

Off course the community must promote libre software and if people dosn't want propietarian drivers they can get a libre one but there aren't libre drivers for existing hardware in windows, maybe in the future there will be but we have to live with whatever there is.

this is oddly worded, I was reffering to path issues in the kernel and the architecture, if you're talking about drivers patching them will be a different thing altogether.

This is actually a good discussion. I'll even propose a thread about it. Even an article on bunker. :^)

Who controls the cloud, how much powe is the state to have and so on.
These are all basic questions in the left.
The right, never asks these questions as "all will be solve by THE ALMIGHTY INVISIBLE HAND".

And the problem is, exactly, that the invisible hand is not as invisible and can and is controled.

Thus, we have the
argument, that focuses on the symptoms not the desease.

Opareting System is a platorm. As a platform is has to be universal.
If it was and indepentant entity, sure. You could have as many types as you want.

You can have many "sorts" of hammers, but the desing and purpose of a hammer is universal.
There is not "this hammer doesn't hit this kind of nail". Sure, you can have a bigger or more specialized hammer, but the mass want's a certain type of hammer to serve certain needs.

Same with Oparating Systems.
You need a certain type of OS, that preferably, can be altered to serve different needs, and it has to be universal, cause not everyone can make their nails fit your hammer.

Doesn't matter if it's Linux, or ROS, or Win.
What matters is, is it good for the job? And, is it universal?

And that is why OS has to cut it's ties with "the market". It has become a service like electricity and water.

and that is why it never will, as every service has to be privatized. THANX NEOLIBERALISM!

However if the point of ROS is to run the proprietary ones, the free ones won't be getting the attention they deserve. The community can't properly "promote libre software" if the entire point of the community getting together and creating a project is to run non-libre software!

Even still you aren't doing any argument. Not everyone has the ability to properly work on a kernel, and not every one will be able to "just fix it." The fact of the matter is that those problems continue to stand and haven't been changed.

I have problems staying on GNU full time as much as I love it because it just isn't suited for running most of my games.

Without question however, components like Xfce, Openbox, Enlightenment, and KDE blow Windows completely the fuck out of the water in terms of usability. Once you've seen the glory of all-encompassing keyboard shortcuts, pipe menus, tabbed file managers, or that widget in KDE that lets you establish multiple folders on your desktop view, it's really hard to take Windows seriously.

I am satisfied with Windows 7, but I do realize it's not going to last forever, and I certainly don't want anything to do with the abomination that is Windows 10 and Microsoft's overall direction towards an uncustomizable walled garden of an apps-based OS provided by and transmitting unknown data to "the Cloud." My current understanding of computer science and programming isn't good enough yet to contribute to Wine.

GNU could really use a proper replacement for Foobar2000. Deadbeef just doesn't cut it.

There's tons.

clementine, gmusicbrowser, quod libet, rhythmbox, moc, cmus, the billion mpd clients.

I really didn't fucking appreciate this libnl update a few days ago that killed Network Manager and my entire internet use ability right before I had an important Bernie Sanders meeting yesterday.

Get your shit together Canonical, this library update was an issue back in January and never should have gotten into the stable repositories.

Moving over is definitely on my todo-list.

Can I get some recommendation on what version to use? I currently use windows 7 which I like to use with a customised classic theme and the task bar at the top since it's easier to read. I use my computer to browse the web, write text documents and play media and I don't game.

I've used those two at least and they don't come anywhere near Foobar2000 in terms of features. user pls.

What more do you need other than playing music

this is something I can sympathize with
I should make clear that ROS dosn't aim to compete with linux but with windows
if you are a programmer or a scientest yes linuxis good for what you do but if you are a content creator you have to stick to windows.

Windows has a large catalog of libre software we just need a libre windows to keep moving towards freedom

this is truth because the project is small and the work is complicated not because they're copyiing windows.

What does foobar even do that's so special? Theme rice? Guhnooland doesn't do massive bundles of redundant features, you get a bunch of tools that can be used effectively in tandem.

I would recommend starting with either Xubuntu (highly customizable and feature-rich for what it is and can be made Windows-like) or Lubuntu (very light but still Windows-like, great for laptop battery power, requires a little more tinkering to customize some things).

Yes windows does, but why do you think the free-ness of software never comes into account in the Windows users mind? Because Windows doesn't give a fuck about free software. You have told me the point of ROS is to run PROPRIETARY software. We can't "keep moving towards freedom" when the point of the project is to run the proprietary software available on wangblows.

Doesn't make it not shit.

No, I moved to linux to CONTROL my hardware. Enjoy your proprietary solution. Let's hope nvidia doesn't start charging a monthly fee to keep using their GPUs.

WINE still exists.

So what? Linux is libre, go patch those whole yourself if they annoy you so much.

I shiver in anticipation.

You know there isn't a single *nix API, yet you write a comment implying one exists…

not to mention the security and maintainability nightmare

One thing I like about Foobar2000 is its context menu when right-clicking on an audio track. You can do stuff like modify the replaygain, alter its tags, and even re-encode a whole batch of music files to another format very quickly and easily.

Actually never heard of that. Most players I've seen have a similar thing just not on right click.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReplayGain#Implementations

Just about all linux music players have the information displayed based on the tags, and I've yet to see one that doesn't allow them to be modified.

ffmpeg.

I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

Also I feel like this could have some meme potential in reference to Marxism-Leninism or Marxism-Leninism-Maoism or other similarly named leftist ideologies

Good, digital freedom doesn't seem to be a particularly popular topic right now.

Good question. I think we should start by defining what 'the cloud' even means in a communist system. I'd propose it to mean "all computers that are not currently the personal property of anyone"; although people could voluntarily give up idle time/storage on their personal computers.

So the 'cloud' then becomes a public cluster plus backup system where everyone can submit tasks to be executed (and you could have some sort of democratic process to determine which get extra priority), as well as some quota for personal backups (with extra given to projects that require extra storage, e.g. biology or physics research, again through democratic process).

There's many operating systems outside of those three, and many that have yet to come. It's not up to us (or the state) to say what operating system we should use. I believe the role of the state is to manufacture standardized, energy-efficient, secure, fully open source computers (with full and quality documentation of how they work), and let people use them however they want (possibly writing their own operating systems).

An OS is not a service, it's just a written spell that conjures the spirits of the computer. Someone could improve it, or write an entirely superior one. Also, good read if you're new to all this:
gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html

Do yourself a favour and use Debian. If you're afraid of screwing things up, get in touch with your local Linux user group (or find a Linux-using acquaintance).

If you really like the interface try DeaDBeeF.
You can also get editing and conversion tools elsewhere. Changing music file tags is easy to script.

Also Deadbeef's album parsing is kind of garbage. Rebuilding my Foobar2000 playlist over it has been a real exercise in tedium because it doesn't seem to recognize some basic track numberings while keeping songs grouped by album. And I can't figure out how to duplicate a playlist for further safe editing in it easily either, in case I bump one of those "organize by…" buttons.

I just wish the Foobar2000 guys would compile for Linux already. Really tempted to just start running Foobar2000 over WINE.

The common user dosn't care if the software is free or not they just care to get the job done and the people that cares about their freedoms dosn't use linux because they will have to change everything in their eviroment to get results that are too different from what they want.

With the terminal? If the common user has to type anything on the terminal the GUI has failed them
if you're reverse engeneering harware congrats for you

Yes, the WINE team and ROS share a lot of developers.

If I wanted to fix linux to adapt to my needs I'll have to redo it inside out.

Sure you don't use any propietarian software in you day to day but lots of other persons still do

You're driving a joke to the ground, learn to take a joke

Maintenence is only an issue in windows because it's propietarian
Security is another matter altogether, getting an antivirus isn't so bad and don't come at me using the existence of viriii as an argument, virii exist in windows because it is so common, its like saying humans are badly designed because they get diasises toos.

shitty old hp elitebook i bought at a hamfest + ssd
gentoo, realtime kernel, xfce
Hate capitalism and hate nearly anything descended from leninism. Sympathetic to market socialism, anarchism, possibly some direct democratic planned socialism. Anti-censorship, anti-state, anti-gun control, environmentalist, anti-intellectual property, anti-identity politics

What's deadbeef missing?

besides replaygain scanning

We are of one soul.

found your problem.

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Are you really that hard set in having everything exactly how it was?
Just use Windows.

They're usually excellent with testing their shit and keeping busted packages outside the main repositories.

In all other aspects Linux has been more convenient to me than Windows. It's only the music players that it's a bit deficient in.

RG scanning is in a plugin actually.

Their dev model is still retarded. Randomly freeze Debian experimental, start duct taping over cracks.

The point is to get the common user to care if the software is free or not. Also I don't know what the hell you started to say on the second half of your argument there.

1. install "normie" distro
2. do "normie" things on it
3. see how long it takes before you are forced to use a terminal
you'd be surprised.

If I wanted to fix windows to adapt to my needs I'll have to redo it inside out.

windows gets viruses for 3 reasons:
-it's common
-it's really, really horribly designed
-it absolutely has to maintain backwards compatibility with everything, so it is unable to undo any of these horrible design decisions

and humans aren't designed at all.

User with a RAID setup here, the answer was immediately. If you're any sort of power user you simply will be forced to use the terminal at some point.

Thankfully, the GNU terminal is quite a lot more functional than the Windows command line.

Is there a GNU/Linux firewall that works like ZoneAlarm? Specifically I want there to be a little pop-up in the corner of my screen whenever a new program asks for internet access so I can decide there whether or not I want to allow it.

If the objective is to make the common user care then why do they have to re learn computers? People wants free software they just don't want linux because is too different. that is what I was trying to say with the second part of the argument.

What if I'm not doing normie things? I have to use the terminal to fix the drivers of my new card.

Because you and I have very different needs and linux dosn't fullfill them.

this is because on windows any program can rewrite the core OS files and folders in order to install itself. I'm sure there can be a solution for this that preseves the compatibility but I'm in no position to fix it

The windows terminal is obsolete and people acts like powershell didn't exist

Underselling it. Also, god tier:
github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh

**Also set
HISTSIZE=60000
SAVEHIST=60000**

Powershell is garbage. It lacks ANY of the general utility that a loonix shell has and has awful PleaseDoThisVerbosively syntax

Oh yeah and the GTK file picker is fucking garbage. I don't understand why they can't just design file managers to handle that functionality but it is really irritating handling file upload (like on an image board for instance) compared to Windows because the GTK file picker is such gimped garbage.

different architectures use different utilities and the verbose commands can be reprogrammed to whatever you want.

this is true. Linux music players are missing EXTREMELY simple fucking features, like folder tree browsing view. I don't want to sort my shit by tags, I want folders god damn it.

Can confirm this works with moc.

Just go with something that has KDE Plasma, and run it in OpenGL mode. Eliminating screen tearing can be a massive headache with Linux due to the video server, and running a desktop environment in OpenGL just sidesteps the whole issue.

Also works with mpd+sonata.

Musicbee is very good if you want a music player that also manages your files
too bad its propietarian and exlusive to windows

lowrisc.org/

am I reading this right, or do I actually have to use the shell to get a folder opened in a gui

Ye, it's a command line tool, far easier than using your mouse.

Don't know what you mean by that.

Only CLI is configuring mpd initially (not really cli actually, you can do in text editor). Sonata is fully GUI client for mpd. Has folder traversal and file view but doesn't seem to have tree view on folders (where you expand without entering folder).

If you regularly do that you would have abandoned windows long ago.

People will still bitch about it even though they do the exact same thing hundredfold to get their video games to work.

Use Quod Libet if you want file trees.

Linux has already been subverted by the NSA so using Windows is just a convenience.

You do realize that shit is FILLED with non-free software?!
You might as well be running Windows tbqh mi familia.

The only thing I miss for going full freetard is LibreBoot. I also browse sites that require nonfree JavaScript.

Used X200's under 100$ on eBay. You'd need extra equipment to flash it, since it needs external flashing; if you lived near me I'd do it for you for free. You might want a X60s instead (which can be internally flashed), although it's older and doesn't support 64-bit.

So do I, actually. I believe hope that the browser's js VM is strong enough to contain the spyware for now. I've deactivated the JIT compiler as it seems like a decent source of security bugs. Software security is terrible.

I know that I should do this, but tbh I don't find it important enough to spend so much money on getting freedom.

Thanks for the advice on flashing. I appreciate it.

Take a look at FireJail. Also, I don't think you should be so paranoid and care more about the principles of free software than thinking that they use every proprietary thing to spy on you.

But cool to see other freetards here. Feelsgood.jpeg

P.S.

Come more to BunkerChan and post in Holla Forums there.

Just keep it in mind next time you want to buy a new computer. Also, if you buy two of the same model you'll have spare parts as well as an extra to lend to your neighbour in need.

That looks awesome, thank you so much! I was probably eventually going to write something using user-model-linux instead.

I was being somewhat facetious. I care about both software freedom and security (and I believe the former is a requirement for the latter).

OK I'll start lurking, thank you for the invitation.

I don't like the sound of this

I don't really care about that, user. It's good enough for me that I'm running a mostly free system. I doubt you're running a system with FOSS firmware and BIOS, so it's not like you're pure either.

Mint is pretty much a meme distro. The only reason to use it over a *ubuntu flavor is for Cinnamon, which is a modern Windows (cancer) clone anyway.

just open up a file browser window and keep it on your images folder, and drag the images into the file upload button

I dont know what players you tried, all the ones Ive used can.

It's okay, we can suppress activity in the part of your brain that doesn't like the sound of that.

Because I just use a computer for word processing, reading the news, and shitposting.

So… switch to Linux faggot. It does all of those things perfectly.

How would Linux benefit me over Windows, realistically?

I have two PC, one with Windows 7 and one toaster with Lubuntu. XP and Seven are best windows tbh. Also, which file manager do you use anons? I have pcmanfm but I want to change.

It's libre, gratis, and won't spy on you. How does Windows benefit you over Linux, realistically?